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post #1 of 13
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Hey Mac Guys,

A friend has an older mac notebook. He would like to connect from it to his Pioneer receiver which only has component video. I have never worked with Mac, and never seen video ports like the one on a mac...some device is needed, which one would be of great value to us....
post #2 of 13
Perhaps you should start by giving us relevant information, like what you're talking about? It's best to deal in specifics--which laptop model, exactly, just how old is his "older Mac notebook?" And if he can connect via component to his Pioneer AVR, what is he trying to play, i.e. send to his HDTV?

I still have an old Mac notebook, a late, great 12" Powerbook G4 from 2004 that has "mini-DVI" out, which means it can do DVI or VGA out with an inexpensive adaptor (mini-DVI to full-size DVI or mini-DVI to VGA) and regular cables. Unfortunately, neither DVI nor VGA out of a Mac can easily be "converted" to component in for that Pioneer AVR by using an inexpensive convertor because the color spaces don't match up. He'd have to spend more for a third-party device to transcode VGA to component than either his AVR or his laptop would be worth.

http://www.digitalconnection.com/pro...video/9a60.asp

http://sewelldirect.com/VGA-to-HDTV-Converter.asp

What we learned back with the G4 Mac minis and older HDTVs with only component in is that it is just not worth trying to use these things.

He's better off buying a better AVR, connecting to his HDTV directly and only running audio through his AVR, or trading up to a Mac that's somewhat newer. But start by filling us in on which Mac he has and why he wants to go through his AVR. It's not like a Mac that old can play high def anyway...and older PPC laptops like my Powerbook don't have built-in digital audio out, so even music only wouldn't be worth routing to his AVR...
post #3 of 13
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Thank you for offering what you did with my "weak" intro i provided. Looks like i'm in the right section. I will retrieve all info needed and get back to it.

Briefly, he wants to watch sporting events. I dont hold out to much for him upgrading anything. I have hooked up a bunch of makeshift HT gear over the years and its always interesting what he has going on. I did a Bose basket case system which ALL the parts were there, the box was full of wires , speakers and connectors..... All said and done it worked out fine LOL.

I will be back soon.. Thank you very much for your help and future help !!!!!!

KG
post #4 of 13
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he wants to watch sporting events

For that he has to have at least an Intel 2.0 C2D Mac, plus EyeTV software and a compatible tuner, and even then he's going to run into some difficulty because sports is demanding, lots of fast pans and quick cuts, and old Mac computers frankly just don't handle that well. (Many newer Macs don't handle that well, either.) But, we'll cross that bridge later once we find out what he's got.
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by chefklc View Post

For that he has to have at least an Intel 2.0 C2D Mac, plus EyeTV software and a compatible tuner, and even then he's going to run into some difficulty because sports is demanding, lots of fast pans and quick cuts, and old Mac computers frankly just don't handle that well. (Many newer Macs don't handle that well, either.) But, we'll cross that bridge later once we find out what he's got.

Will do sir....
post #6 of 13
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The Macbook is about 5yrs old. He purchased a device that is a mini display port to HDMI, and when connected to his 40" LCD he got picture and sound, through HDMI.....this allowed him to surf and stream netflix, and it worked fine....

So, wts....will a ( powered ) component video converter work, converting hdmi to component video/audio......
post #7 of 13
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He purchased a device that is a mini display port to HDMI, and when connected to his 40" LCD he got picture and sound, through HDMI.....this allowed him to surf and stream netflix, and it worked fine....

Good, he has a "newer" Macbook w/ mini-DP and should consider himself fortunate that going mini-DP to HDMI to his HDTV is working properly and stop. Knowing that, it makes little sense to me to try to force video first through the component in of an old AVR and then back out to his TV. In home theater, you want to get as pure and unadulterated a video signal as possible to your display.

However, all MacBooks have built-in optical digital audio out in the headphone minijack, that's what he should connect to his AVR--then he can pass digital audio to his AVR for those times he'd like to listen to music and not have to turn the TV on, he can listen to AC-3 and DTS through his AVR when he's watching high def movies on his TV (watching the video over mini-DP but listening to the audio over optical) and for those times he doesn't really care about audio and just wants to watch TV with the audio though the crappy TV speakers, he can. Best of all worlds--the highest quality digital video possible with two options for audio output, optical or mini-DP to HDMI.

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...will a ( powered ) component video converter work, converting hdmi to component video/audio...

It's a real crap shoot trying to use these kludgy devices, and when I've read of folks using them most often they're stubbornly trying to go into an older HDTV that is component in only, i.e. the TV doesn't have HDMI or DVI inputs. That's not the case for your friend, and while he might succeed getting component in to his legacy AVR with a device like this, he might not like what he gets "out" of it, i.e. he might find that his Mac now no longer properly detects his LCD, and if it does, it may not retain EDID sync to his display after he switches away to some other input on his AVR. Won't know until you try. In effect, though, I think the best advice you can give him is to tell him no, he can't go component in to his AVR without a lot of difficulty and expense.
post #8 of 13
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I cant thank you enough for reading and writting ! Last i looked his gear was on one side of the room and TV on the other . I think what i may do is send him to BB, incase he has to return and give the converter one chance. WTS, he will have to understand that his biggest problem is outdated gear and lack of funds.

Thank you again for all your insight.....KG

A full report to follow on how it works
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Just getting the desktop background on the HDTV. This would be through the hdmi/component video device running through the old pioneer receiver. When i bring up display resolution page on setting , the box is displayed with a heading CAT-6066, customer tells me no audio was heard with the HDMI going straight to TV, audio came out of the laptop only. I ended up doing a 1/8th" to RCA patch cord from the laptop to TV.. That satisfied him but not me hahaha.

Any thoughts will help.....
post #10 of 13
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So, i was reading on the Mac help pages that it may be easier to go VGA to component video, than VGA to HDMI...

Who knows.....
post #11 of 13
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it may be easier to go VGA to component video, than VGA to HDMI

It is, but this isn't 2005.

VGA to component transcoders were once a hot item around here, back when the G4 Mac mini was a hot item and a lot of folks had HDTVs with component in only. That was 2005, you still needed to spend money on a VGA to component transcoder, and the available desktop resolutions and resulting video quality was often sub-par. Fortunately we've moved on.

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He purchased a device that is a mini display port to HDMI, and when connected to his 40" LCD he got picture and sound, through HDMI

My thoughts remain consistent: you're not giving your "customer" good advice. Instead of helping him force a square peg into a round hole--wasting your time supporting his pursuit of older analog technology and kludgy intermediate devices just to end up with a poorer end result--he's already verified he can connect his Macbook to his HDTV by going miniDP to HDMI with digital audio and video. Then there's the issue of his AVR supposedly being too far away from his HDTV.

So, answer me this:

1) How far apart are the old AVR and the HDTV? What's preventing him from moving the two closer--surely speaker wire is much easier to run over longer distances than audio and video cables?

2) What value is there forcing the Macbook through the AVR and how is the AVR then connecting to his HDTV--a super long component cable?

3) What is he gaining with the Macbook hooked to his AVR and not right there connected to his HDTV? Why can't he just route audio to the AVR via a very long optical cable and still enjoy the best quality video possible from that old Macbook over HDMI?
post #12 of 13
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#3 was suggested by me..... For now, its hooked up. HDMI, looks clean. He's so happy to have is just the way it is.
post #13 of 13
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Just found a 25' toslink-mini optical cable, I'll get one end by the laptop and one in the Pioneer, he will even get DD !!!

HDMI will have to stay put, until he is willing to break free and upgrade his receiver. I mean i found a Onkyo that switched 4 hdmi inputs for 250.00 brand new, but.... What is....is

Thanx for all the help !!!!
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