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post #1741 of 3379
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Originally Posted by SARHENTO View Post

I had had a Denon 4311CI for two years and used audyssey XT32 (corrected my room up to 32positions). Sold it recently and got myself a Yamaha A3020. So I do have experience with both YPAO and audyssey, and personally, it is very hard for me to tell the difference between the two. YPAO has a lot more tweaking flexibility. If you don't have audyssey, you are not missing much. YPAO is amazing in newer models.

Let me add by saying that unless you go with Pro Kit, XT32only allows you to do 8 positions anyway - the same number of positions YPAO offers.
post #1742 of 3379
New to the world of the HDMI AVR. My 673 will arrive today. It will replace an old Sony which was controlled with an old Harmony remote. I am wondering if I can replace the Harmony with the 673 remote. Is there a way (using scene?) to turn to TV on, then change the channel on the DirecTv STB? In other words, can the Yamaha remote replicate the functions of the Harmony?
post #1743 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Peabodypond View Post

New to the world of the HDMI AVR. My 673 will arrive today. It will replace an old Sony which was controlled with an old Harmony remote. I am wondering if I can replace the Harmony with the 673 remote. Is there a way (using scene?) to turn to TV on, then change the channel on the DirecTv STB? In other words, can the Yamaha remote replicate the functions of the Harmony?
No. But you can program the Harmony to control the 673.
post #1744 of 3379
Thank you Bond 007. Can the channel numeric pad on the 673 be set to the STB?
post #1745 of 3379
Hey guys,

Been reading through a bit, and I gotta ask; what's the quality of the bass the 673 puts out? For movies, mainly. I like the shake, the rattle, and the roll.. if you get my drift smile.gif

I'm using an older Onkyo 1007 with a new Benq W1070 projector, and I need to be looking at upgrading to a 3D-capable receiver. Was considering the Onkyo 616 but have heard about possible handshake issues, and the Pioneer 922 is apparently a bit lacking in the sound quality department.

So yeah, how's the 673? I will, of course, set all my speakers to small (they're cheapos anyway, but my sub's the Seaton SubMersive), and I will use an SPL to set everything else to approx the same level and then an extra 3dB's or so for the sub.
post #1746 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Venturai View Post

Hey guys,

Been reading through a bit, and I gotta ask; what's the quality of the bass the 673 puts out? For movies, mainly. I like the shake, the rattle, and the roll.. if you get my drift smile.gif

I'm using an older Onkyo 1007 with a new Benq W1070 projector, and I need to be looking at upgrading to a 3D-capable receiver. Was considering the Onkyo 616 but have heard about possible handshake issues, and the Pioneer 922 is apparently a bit lacking in the sound quality department.

So yeah, how's the 673? I will, of course, set all my speakers to small (they're cheapos anyway, but my sub's the Seaton SubMersive), and I will use an SPL to set everything else to approx the same level and then an extra 3dB's or so for the sub.

if i may ask why would you be concerned with bass output from a reciever? you have a submerssive, the recievr wont affect the output of your sub. you said your main speakers are cheap and set to small? why would you be worried about bass output with those factors mentioned?
post #1747 of 3379
My thoughts exactly. You've got a sub so nothing to worry about. If you didn't have a sub then it would be dependent on the quality of the speakers. I'm just running a 2.0 system and have more bass that I'll ever need in my current living situation. When watching movies I can feel the bass ~ 11ft away from my speakers and I don't have any bass settings adjusted higher than what the YPAO set when I ran the setup.
post #1748 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Peabodypond View Post

Thank you Bond 007. Can the channel numeric pad on the 673 be set to the STB?
I dont understand the question.
post #1749 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Peabodypond View Post

Thank you Bond 007. Can the channel numeric pad on the 673 be set to the STB?

Probably. Go to Yamaha's web site and download the manual. It has an appendix listing Remote Codes that can be set to control other devices. There are quite a few cable and satellite boxes in addition to TVs. I haven't done it myself but would expect using the correct code would set the numeric pad to the cable box IR codes.
post #1750 of 3379
Trying to decide whether or not it would be worth taking to time to bi-amp my current speakers or remove the metal plate jumpers and use speaker cable as jumpers. I've got the materials to do either so it's not going to cost anything out of pocket. I'm sure I'm going to start up a firestorm by asking. I was able to notice a difference in SQ when I did a double run of 16 AWG to just one set of posts to the speakers. It's one of those I've got the materials, the amp is capable of doing it so why not type of situations.
post #1751 of 3379
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Originally Posted by PeterCat View Post

Trying to decide whether or not it would be worth taking to time to bi-amp my current speakers or remove the metal plate jumpers and use speaker cable as jumpers. I've got the materials to do either so it's not going to cost anything out of pocket. I'm sure I'm going to start up a firestorm by asking. I was able to notice a difference in SQ when I did a double run of 16 AWG to just one set of posts to the speakers. It's one of those I've got the materials, the amp is capable of doing it so why not type of situations.
Why not?
post #1752 of 3379
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

if i may ask why would you be concerned with bass output from a reciever? you have a submerssive, the recievr wont affect the output of your sub. you said your main speakers are cheap and set to small? why would you be worried about bass output with those factors mentioned?

What I mean is, the quality of a receiver no doubt impacts on what's being sent to both your speakers and the sub. When What hifi reviewed the 673, they actually came out and mentioned that some rival receivers "sound a tad tauter in the bass". Hence my concern.

I just wanted to make sure it wasn't really a problem that anyone had experienced.
post #1753 of 3379
Just got this receiver yesterday and found setup to be relatively painless. The YPAO feature quite accurately measured the distances of all the speakers, though I felt I was able to improve the sound with some additional tweaking. And I was surprised that it set the crossover to 120Hz...though I'm leaving it there for now.
Anyway, two questions come to mind at the moment:
One: Is there a way to listen to one source while viewing another?
For example, I'm listening to a CD on HDMI 2, but would like to be able to watch video on HDMI 1 at the same time. Is there a way to do this? My old receiver had this ability via a button on the front panel where you would choose an audio source and a video source if you wanted a mix of both, but all components were connected via digital optical and digital coaxial, since that old receiver didn't have HDMI.

Two: Is there a way to save the various sound settings and level tweaks specific to various sources?
For example, when listening to a cd on my Onkyo DVD/CD changer connected via HDMI 2, I might have the subwoofer at a certain level, and may make some adjustments to Tone in the options menu. But when I watch a DVD on HDMI 1 or watch Netflix on HDMI 1, both coming from my Sony BDP-S790, I might want different sub and Tone settings, or even adjust the levels of some of the speakers. Would be nice if the Yamaha remembered these settings for each source.
post #1754 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

Just got this receiver yesterday and found setup to be relatively painless. The YPAO feature quite accurately measured the distances of all the speakers, though I felt I was able to improve the sound with some additional tweaking. And I was surprised that it set the crossover to 120Hz...though I'm leaving it there for now.
Anyway, two questions come to mind at the moment:
One: Is there a way to listen to one source while viewing another?
For example, I'm listening to a CD on HDMI 2, but would like to be able to watch video on HDMI 1 at the same time. Is there a way to do this? My old receiver had this ability via a button on the front panel where you would choose an audio source and a video source if you wanted a mix of both, but all components were connected via digital optical and digital coaxial, since that old receiver didn't have HDMI.

Two: Is there a way to save the various sound settings and level tweaks specific to various sources?
For example, when listening to a cd on my Onkyo DVD/CD changer connected via HDMI 2, I might have the subwoofer at a certain level, and may make some adjustments to Tone in the options menu. But when I watch a DVD on HDMI 1 or watch Netflix on HDMI 1, both coming from my Sony BDP-S790, I might want different sub and Tone settings, or even adjust the levels of some of the speakers. Would be nice if the Yamaha remembered these settings for each source.

1. I haven't tried this with 2 HDMI inputs, but for Airplay, Server (DLNA), and net radio I have the video set to the TV signal. It's better than looking at the Yamaha background. There is a problem, though: for Server and net radio, every time the song changes the black box with track information pops back up. With Airplay, this doesn't happen, so I can listen to music using airplay and watch TV at the same time. Like I said, I haven't tried to mix and match HDMI inputs, but I'm thinking you can do this. I believe if you bring up the inputs on-screen and then press the up arrow to get the details, you have some options that can be set. I'm not at home now, so I can't refresh my memory.

2. I think the tone, subwoofer trim and other settings from the pop-up that comes up when you press the button at the top right of the arrow pad are saved either by input source, or more likely by the sound mode you're in (Standard Movie, Sci-Fi, Surround Decoder, etc.). It might even be by both. I know I sometimes get confused because settings I thought I had set to one thing come up different. It could be that I was in a different combination of input source and sound mode. Kinda looks like I could use some info on how this works, too biggrin.gif I think the PEQ settings, though, are universal for all inputs and sound modes. Bottom line, I think you can do some of what you want.

If YPAO set your crossover to 120 Hz, I'm assuming you have smallish satellites. I have bookshelf speakers with 5 1/2" drivers that have a -3 dB response roll-off at around 60-65 Hz and it set all of my speakers to large. I reset them all to small and have been running my crossover at 80 Hz, sometimes at 60 Hz if deep male voices starting humming in the sub.
post #1755 of 3379
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Originally Posted by ThinkRationally View Post

1. I haven't tried this with 2 HDMI inputs, but for Airplay, Server (DLNA), and net radio I have the video set to the TV signal. It's better than looking at the Yamaha background. There is a problem, though: for Server and net radio, every time the song changes the black box with track information pops back up. With Airplay, this doesn't happen, so I can listen to music using airplay and watch TV at the same time. Like I said, I haven't tried to mix and match HDMI inputs, but I'm thinking you can do this. I believe if you bring up the inputs on-screen and then press the up arrow to get the details, you have some options that can be set. I'm not at home now, so I can't refresh my memory.

2. I think the tone, subwoofer trim and other settings from the pop-up that comes up when you press the button at the top right of the arrow pad are saved either by input source, or more likely by the sound mode you're in (Standard Movie, Sci-Fi, Surround Decoder, etc.). It might even be by both. I know I sometimes get confused because settings I thought I had set to one thing come up different. It could be that I was in a different combination of input source and sound mode. Kinda looks like I could use some info on how this works, too biggrin.gif I think the PEQ settings, though, are universal for all inputs and sound modes. Bottom line, I think you can do some of what you want.

If YPAO set your crossover to 120 Hz, I'm assuming you have smallish satellites. I have bookshelf speakers with 5 1/2" drivers that have a -3 dB response roll-off at around 60-65 Hz and it set all of my speakers to large. I reset them all to small and have been running my crossover at 80 Hz, sometimes at 60 Hz if deep male voices starting humming in the sub.

Mmm, I tried what you suggested by hitting the UP arrow on the HDMI input. No option there to select the video. That differs from the Server input, as you mentioned, which does allow you to choose the video input.
I'm wondering if I were to also connect the DVD/CD player with the digital cable as well as the HDMI if that would enable some kind of video input option. I imagine in that scenario, if I were just using that unit to listen to music, I wouldn't choose the HDMI input, but rather one of the audio inputs. I dunno--just brainstorming.

My fronts are B&W 602's, which are large bookshelf speakers measuring 19"H x 9"W x 12"D, with a 7" bass/mid Kevlar cone and a 1" high frequency metal dome.
post #1756 of 3379
As you found, there's no way to watch HDMI video and listen to audio from another HDMI input.

You can watch HDMI video and audio from another (non-HDMI) input if you set it up using the Input Menu.
post #1757 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

My fronts are B&W 602's, which are large bookshelf speakers measuring 19"H x 9"W x 12"D, with a 7" bass/mid Kevlar cone and a 1" high frequency metal dome.

I find it very odd that YPAO didn't set these to large. Did it set the fronts to large, and do you have smaller surrounds that might be set to small, and the crossover is set according to the surrounds?
post #1758 of 3379
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

As you found, there's no way to watch HDMI video and listen to audio from another HDMI input.

You can watch HDMI video and audio from another (non-HDMI) input if you set it up using the Input Menu.

Thanks. Could you possibly point me in the right direction for setting that up? Does the idea I mentioned in the previous post make any sense...

"I'm wondering if I were to also connect the DVD/CD player with the digital cable as well as the HDMI if that would enable some kind of video input option. I imagine in that scenario, if I were just using that unit to listen to music, I wouldn't choose the HDMI input, but rather one of the audio inputs. I dunno--just brainstorming."

While I do have the Onkyo DVD/Cd changer connected via HDMI and connected to the Yamaha's HDMI 2 input, the player also has digital optical (or coaxial--I forget at the moment, but one of the two, or both). I don't currently have the digital cable connected, but could do so if that will enable the functionality I'm looking for.
post #1759 of 3379
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Originally Posted by ThinkRationally View Post

I find it very odd that YPAO didn't set these to large. Did it set the fronts to large, and do you have smaller surrounds that might be set to small, and the crossover is set according to the surrounds?

YPAO set the fronts to small and the rear surrounds (B&W 302's) to large, even though they are half the size of the fronts .
Edited by Erik Cacciatore - 5/3/13 at 10:09am
post #1760 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

YPAO set the fronts to small and the rear surrounds (B&W 302's) to large, even though they are half the size of the fronts .

Wow, that I do not understand.
post #1761 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Erik Cacciatore View Post

Thanks. Could you possibly point me in the right direction for setting that up? Does the idea I mentioned in the previous post make any sense...

"I'm wondering if I were to also connect the DVD/CD player with the digital cable as well as the HDMI if that would enable some kind of video input option. I imagine in that scenario, if I were just using that unit to listen to music, I wouldn't choose the HDMI input, but rather one of the audio inputs. I dunno--just brainstorming."

While I do have the Onkyo DVD/Cd changer connected via HDMI and connected to the Yamaha's HDMI 2 input, the player also has digital optical (or coaxial--I forget at the moment, but one of the two, or both). I don't currently have the digital cable connected, but could do so if that will enable the functionality I'm looking for.

Yes, see page 82 of the 673 manual. In the Input menu, under Audio In, you can specify that the audio for an HDMI video input comes from optical or digital coax. So you could tell it that the HDMI input for the video you want to watch has its audio on a specific optical or coax connector (and plug your DVD/CD changer's optical cable into it).

It's not an ideal solution though, because when you want to hear the audio from the actual video source you have to go back into the menu and make the change.
post #1762 of 3379
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Yes, see page 82 of the 673 manual. In the Input menu, under Audio In, you can specify that the audio for an HDMI video input comes from optical or digital coax. So you could tell it that the HDMI input for the video you want to watch has its audio on a specific optical or coax connector (and plug your DVD/CD changer's optical cable into it).

It's not an ideal solution though, because when you want to hear the audio from the actual video source you have to go back into the menu and make the change.

Not bad, though. Seems like a decent workaround solution. It's easy enough to just change that via remote whenever needed. Thanks!
post #1763 of 3379
Just set up new 673 and am programing the remote. When I program the DirecTV code into the remote, the numerical (1-10) keys work, but there seems to be no way to simply advance the channels with the normal +&- keys.

Since most people will be using some sort of a cable box, rather than the TV tuner, is there a workaround for that? Unless I read the instructions wrong, it appears the remote does not allow for learning which might allow for the use of the TV keys for that purpose.

Sorry about such a basic question, but I am new to this. Thank you. (So new, in fact, that I originally posted this question in the wrong place)
post #1764 of 3379
Is it possible to change the Volume increments on this receiver? It appears on page 146 of the manual there is a "Volume step" option where you can change it from .5db to 5db increments. Is this true? Has anyone changed it to 5, and how do they like it? I'm kind of sick of dealing with changing volume in .5db increments, but 5db seems a bit much for one press.
post #1765 of 3379
I think the only way to do that is via the Yamaha web interface.
post #1766 of 3379
Hi,

recently I bought the RX-V673. Overall I'm very pleased with its performance, but there's a little problem which I think may be a bug... I'm thinking so because in a German board I've found a thread of a user who had exactly the same problem. Anyway:

Currently I'm using a 2.1 setup, two front speakers and a sub. I don't know if this is of relevance, but it may, since the other guy also had only stereo.

When I'm playing a Dolby Digital track, and I'm using one of the internal DSP programs, in bass-heavy scenes I get faint sizzling in the right front channel. It's not coming from the sub, but from the speaker. And it's not the speaker, since I've swapped both and it's still coming from the right. Moreover, if I'm using a TrueHD track (or DTS-HD), there's no sizzling anymore. AND if I'm NOT using a DSP program, if I set the AVR on "Straight" (or 2ch or 7ch), there's no sizzling either!

So far I was able to reproduce the sizzling with three BDs: The Dark Knight, Avatar and Transformers 3.

Example scenes (I searched for ones coming right after a new chapter starts, this makes it easier to rerun them):

The Dark Knight - 31:48, when the camera pans over Hong Kong
Avatar - don't remember the chapter or minute, but the scene where Jake, in his avatar body, carries the injured Grace through the meditating Na'vi towards the Big Tree
Transformers 3 - Chapter 3, when the camera pans over Washington and right before Optimus Prime is starting his monologue.

If you rewind and then start from further out, the sizzling is still coming at the same spot. It's very, very faint, but it's definitely there. And switching chapters isn't responsible. My father for example didn't hear it. wink.gif

Can anybody confirm this problem...?

I already updated my AVR, but the problem is still there.
post #1767 of 3379
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Originally Posted by crn3371 View Post

I think the only way to do that is via the Yamaha web interface.

Oh you're right, I see that. Is that only when controlling through the web interface, and does not affect normal volume control on a remote while watching TV for example? Thanks for the reply.
post #1768 of 3379
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Originally Posted by portishead View Post

Is it possible to change the Volume increments on this receiver? It appears on page 146 of the manual there is a "Volume step" option where you can change it from .5db to 5db increments. Is this true? Has anyone changed it to 5, and how do they like it? I'm kind of sick of dealing with changing volume in .5db increments, but 5db seems a bit much for one press.

You can't change the volume increment. You can send specific network codes to go up or down by different steps (that's what the web interface is doing), but there are no IR codes to do that.

But with an IR remote you should just be able to hold the volume up/down button. It will change slowly at first and then ramp up to a higher speed so you can make large changes quickly. That's better than using single presses.
post #1769 of 3379
Just purchased the RX-V673 with the intent of using zone 2 outside. Been trying to get zone 2 to work and after reading and testing realized that zone 2 only accepts a analog signal. I need zone 2 to play HDMI input (apple TV, Plex media etc.) since all my devices are connected with HDMI. I will be in party mode which I would have to upgrade to a RX-V773. I’m looking for any solution to make this happen with my current model.
I noticed an audio out next to the zone 2 out. Shouldn’t I be able to connect the Audio out which according to manual is the front channels to Audio 1 Audio 2 and then play them on zone 2?
Just need to hear the same music being played inside while sitting on the patio with a pair of outdoor speakers. Looking for suggestions. Other than that I love the product.
post #1770 of 3379
Audio Out won't work with HDMI sources either.

One fairly ugly workaround is to connect the zone 2 speakers to the surround back connectors, then run a 7.1 setup and select 7 channel stereo mode. You'll have the same sound playing in zone 2 as the main zone, although at reduced volume with the default settings (but you can change the relative levels of the various speakers for 7 channel stereo mode).
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