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post #1831 of 3379
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Originally Posted by igibbons View Post

I'm still taking the time to really understand exactly how the presence speakers effect the sound stage, particularly with movies. I haven't had as much time to really test the receiver on big action or epic movies. I do notice they expand the soundstage, just not sure if it is good, amazing or just noticeable.

I came from a average Onkyo HT-RC260 with Audyssey DSX wide speakers in my 7.1 set up. The extra wide speakers were DEFINITELY noticeable, but the sound on the Yamaha is MUCH better. I guess I expected the presence speakers to "stand out" more, but standing out doesn't mean better.

My speakers are comparable.

I think the presence speaker become more distinguishable when you are using the music presets, like Hall in Vienna etc.
The Echo they give and the wider range to the sound is very noticeable, but one thing is sure that not many people like to alter the audio of a movie.
For a movie I use the standard movie effect but for music I keep experimenting.

I still have not connected the receiver to the network but would love to do so to play my music.
Can anybody please recommend a Wireless adopter to buy for this AVR?
post #1832 of 3379
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Originally Posted by igibbons View Post

I'm still taking the time to really understand exactly how the presence speakers effect the sound stage, particularly with movies. I haven't had as much time to really test the receiver on big action or epic movies. I do notice they expand the soundstage, just not sure if it is good, amazing or just noticeable.

I came from a average Onkyo HT-RC260 with Audyssey DSX wide speakers in my 7.1 set up. The extra wide speakers were DEFINITELY noticeable, but the sound on the Yamaha is MUCH better. I guess I expected the presence speakers to "stand out" more, but standing out doesn't mean better.

My speakers are comparable.

I like the effect of presence speakers in movies where there are a lot of flying objects (air planes, helicopters, bombs). It kind of widens and heightens the sound stage for me. When I listen to music, I kind of turn it off 50% of the time depending on the type Iam listening to.
post #1833 of 3379
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Originally Posted by igibbons View Post

I'd like to be able to play the music files on my computer with the Yamaha receiver, over the network. I hope this information helps.

I guess there are two ways.
1- Have a NAS, your AVR should be able to detect all the files in your NAS.
2- Convert your music folder in the PC to a shared folder so that the AVR can have access to it.

I personally have my HTPC hooked to the AVR so I sit and play the files on the pc or the TV screen. But now I'm looking for a compatible adopter so I can play them directly from the AVR itself
post #1834 of 3379
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Originally Posted by SARHENTO View Post

I guess I want to set and know what my reference level is. On Denon receiver, it automatically set this at 0dB. I don't know if Yamaha does the same.
It does.
post #1835 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Thank you. Yes I find -30db to -20db reasonable, but what I don't understand is this comes almost to more than half of the total volume. Not that I need to go up further but the limit to go to the peak is small as I'm already at a level where the volume is above its half capacity.
In my previous Onkyo AVR I used to set the volume at a maximum level of 40 out of 100 which is less than 50% of the AVR's capacity. But with the Yamaha I'm already above the 50% or probably 60% if not more.

So just explaining this to make sure if my setup is ok.
With -20db are you more than half way to the max level?

http://youtu.be/EbVKWCpNFhY

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post #1836 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

But now I'm looking for a compatible adopter so I can play them directly from the AVR itself

I Highly recommend you install J. River's Media Center on your PC. In addition to being a great tool for managing and playing music on the desktop, it has a complete a DLNA implementation. The V673 will be able to use your PC as a DLNA library. In addition you will be able to use your PC to drive the V673 as a DNLA renderer (as long as it's set to the Server Input).

http://www.jriver.com/
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Well, now I know that showing a friend my Yamaha App on my HTC one, ( 25 miles from home), will STILL control my Yamaha!!

When I got home, Paul Oakenfold was THUMPING in my house!!!! And apparently WAS the whole time!!!

WOW. You have to be careful with that thing. I thought it was bluetooth, or at least wouldnt work at large distances from the unit..

Boy, was I wrong!.
Edited by woodeka - 5/16/13 at 7:17pm
post #1838 of 3379
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Originally Posted by mgbarton View Post

I Highly recommend you install J. River's Media Center on your PC. In addition to being a great tool for managing and playing music on the desktop, it has a complete a DLNA implementation. The V673 will be able to use your PC as a DLNA library. In addition you will be able to use your PC to drive the V673 as a DNLA renderer (as long as it's set to the Server Input).

http://www.jriver.com/

Thank you for your suggestion. I'm already using XBMC for this which has the same feature but first I need to connect the V673 to my network.

Any suggestion please of a compatible USB Wifi Adopter?
post #1839 of 3379
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usable power is also a HUGE difference between the two
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Thank you for your suggestion. I'm already using XBMC for this which has the same feature but first I need to connect the V673 to my network.

Any suggestion please of a compatible USB Wifi Adopter?

I am using this in place of Yamahas own adapter

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122373
post #1841 of 3379
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Originally Posted by wader2k View Post

I am using this in place of Yamahas own adapter

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122373

Hey thanks for the link. This looks good. How many devices can be wired to this adapter?
post #1842 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Hey thanks for the link. This looks good. How many devices can be wired to this adapter?

I just got one of those but I am going with the refurbished one to see if that works out okay. It is only $28 on Amazon and it looks fine.
My 673 gets here today! Weekend fun. My Denon AVR3300 is showing issues so a good excuse to modernize.
post #1843 of 3379
Hopefully picking one of these up this weekend. Probably a dumb question, but Newegg.com is an authorized Yamaha dealer correct?

I will be buying my setup in pieces, AVR and what will ultimately be my rears first (Polk TSi200's, or more than likely, the Monitor 45b's), than the sub, center, and two front tower's. Is this an okay way to do things? I am a little worried that I'll find out some channel of the receiver is not working properly but I really won't know until several months from ordering it...
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Hi all,

I have a question regarding firmware updates. Does anyone know exactly what each firmware update added or issues they resolved?

Thanks
post #1845 of 3379
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Originally Posted by igibbons View Post

Hi all,

I have a question regarding firmware updates. Does anyone know exactly what each firmware update added or issues they resolved?

Thanks
I have the 671 and I dont know about all of them but the last one messed up my Pandora and Rhapsody service.
post #1846 of 3379
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Originally Posted by AG74683 View Post

Hopefully picking one of these up this weekend. Probably a dumb question, but Newegg.com is an authorized Yamaha dealer correct?

I will be buying my setup in pieces, AVR and what will ultimately be my rears first (Polk TSi200's, or more than likely, the Monitor 45b's), than the sub, center, and two front tower's. Is this an okay way to do things? I am a little worried that I'll find out some channel of the receiver is not working properly but I really won't know until several months from ordering it...

As far as checking channels, you can do the tone control test that sends the tones to each channel if you need and just move speakers around. ?.
post #1847 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I have the 671 and I dont know about all of them but the last one messed up my Pandora and Rhapsody service.

Yeah, by what I gain from earlier posts in this thread, Yamaha no longer has a deal with those. Maybe someone more in the know can say whats up. I will just go through the computer or my BlueRay for Pandora.
post #1848 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Hey thanks for the link. This looks good. How many devices can be wired to this adapter?

One component per each of those Netgear adapters. Easiest way to configure is to turn off the wireless in your laptop and plug one of these into the Ethernet port, bring up a browser window, and follow the prompts. Then just plug it into your component when done. I bought two refurbished on Amazon; one for my A720 and one for my DirecTV receiver, and they work like a champ. So nice being able to use the remote control phone app instead of the real remote!
post #1849 of 3379
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Originally Posted by drugolf View Post

Yeah, by what I gain from earlier posts in this thread, Yamaha no longer has a deal with those. Maybe someone more in the know can say whats up. I will just go through the computer or my BlueRay for Pandora.
They have a deal with them but the new update was supposed to be to deal with Rhapsodys new servers and since the update I have problems with Rhapsody and Yamaha. Both are aware of my problem but neither has been able to fix it.
You are looking at post from when the 673 first came out and didnt have Pandora. That was long ago resolved.
post #1850 of 3379
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Originally Posted by drugolf View Post

As far as checking channels, you can do the tone control test that sends the tones to each channel if you need and just move speakers around. ?.

My real concern was the sub channel, seeing as I won't have one for at least a month or two. I figured I could just move my two fronts to the other speaker channels to check on those. I'm new to the whole A/V thing, so I wasn't sure if the sub channel works differently...is it okay to plug up a standard speaker to it just for a test?
post #1851 of 3379
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Originally Posted by AG74683 View Post

My real concern was the sub channel, seeing as I won't have one for at least a month or two. I figured I could just move my two fronts to the other speaker channels to check on those. I'm new to the whole A/V thing, so I wasn't sure if the sub channel works differently...is it okay to plug up a standard speaker to it just for a test?
Not unless its an amplified speaker. The sub channel is passive.
post #1852 of 3379
I got my rx v673 mostly to watch blue rays, , pay my 360 and watch cable. I'm running 7.1 now until my other sub gets out of the shop. All my 7 surround speakers are yamaha except my center is a klipsch synergy c 1 . Just thought I'd get more dynamic sound through my surround speakers. Any suggestions?
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

I got my rx v673 mostly to watch blue rays, , pay my 360 and watch cable. I'm running 7.1 now until my other sub gets out of the shop. All my 7 surround speakers are yamaha except my center is a klipsch synergy c 1 . Just thought I'd get more dynamic sound through my surround speakers. Any suggestions?

Since most movies are still 5.1, you won't get anything out of the rear speakers unless you select the right surround mode. For example Pro-Logic IIx, which requires you to set Extended Surround to PLIIx (instead of Auto).

Another thing is that at normal listening levels you should really increase the surround speaker levels from the YPAO values (start by increasing them 2dB and see how it sounds). Having all speakers balanced according to a meter doesn't actually sound balanced when the volume is well below reference level.
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I already extended my speaker levels. They are all around +8 db s with my center and rears set at + 10 db s.
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So you saying to not set my sound to full auto?
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And what about my parametric eq?
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I'm having issues with my SVS SB-1000 subwoofer. I hooked it up to the receiver, and I really have to crank it up to hear any sort of sound from the sub. I tried running YPAO to see if that would help, and nope. I'll try to provide the specifics of my setup but let me know if there's any other information I can provide...

Running about 50 foot of RCA cable from the LFE port on my sub to the Subwoofer 1 preout in the back of the receiver. When I ran YPAO, I set the volume on the sub at the halfway mark, gain to 0, and set the frequency to LFE. I suppose the test tone being sent to the sub was moderately loud, but it seems like the test tones for the speakers were louder. The center and fronts are at +1.5 and my backs are at +0.5 and +4.0 (I think YAPO set the second one to 4.0 because my back speakers are the ones that shoot two directions, and that speaker is pointed toward my kitchen, and I'm losing a lot of sound) Sub is set at +3.5.Speakers are all set as small. Crossover is at 80hz.

I found an adapter that lets me plug directly into my phone and gives me a red and white output. I played a song from my phone directly into the sub, and I could really hear the sub punch then. So I'm concerned about this, and this has been a tough issue for me to troubleshoot because I'm very new to home theater. I have heard Yamaha receivers have lower than usual preouts (1v) Is that causing my issue?
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Would like some advice from Yamaha owners...

I recently picked up a rx-v375, but I'm not completely convinced I've made the right choice. The Yamaha replaced a Denon avr-1905, which at least to my ears produced better sound than the Yamaha out of the box -- I've got the v375 close after a bit of tweaking, but it seems to be lacking something. (The sound seems a little harsh, especially during action scenes in movies.)

Anyway, I am considering buying the rx-v673. I am not interested in the network features, extra connectivity or the 7.2 vs 5.1, but I wonder if the rv-673 might offer a sufficient improvement in sound quality to justify a purchase for just a few more dollars ($380 vs $250). Is there enough of a difference in power or audio fidelity to warrant the upgrade? Alternatively, I could put the extra money toward more or better speakers (I'm using an older Athena speaker set with a 12 inch Dayton sub from PartsExpress).

My room is roughly 12' x 20', but isn't completely rectangular, bulging out a bit behind the seating area where there is an opening to a staircase (this makes the placement of the surround speakers awkward). I would have thought the v375 would be sufficiently powered for this size room, but maybe that was wishful thinking?
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The amp on the 673 may not be much better but you have more options to tweak the sound. I would get it over the 375 at that price. For $130 youre probably not going to make any big leap in speakers anyway. And even though you may not be interested in the network features you may be surprised at how nice they are to have after you get it.
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Originally Posted by FriendofSonic View Post

I'm having issues with my SVS SB-1000 subwoofer. I hooked it up to the receiver, and I really have to crank it up to hear any sort of sound from the sub. I tried running YPAO to see if that would help, and nope. I'll try to provide the specifics of my setup but let me know if there's any other information I can provide...

Running about 50 foot of RCA cable from the LFE port on my sub to the Subwoofer 1 preout in the back of the receiver. When I ran YPAO, I set the volume on the sub at the halfway mark, gain to 0, and set the frequency to LFE. I suppose the test tone being sent to the sub was moderately loud, but it seems like the test tones for the speakers were louder. The center and fronts are at +1.5 and my backs are at +0.5 and +4.0 (I think YAPO set the second one to 4.0 because my back speakers are the ones that shoot two directions, and that speaker is pointed toward my kitchen, and I'm losing a lot of sound) Sub is set at +3.5.Speakers are all set as small. Crossover is at 80hz.

I found an adapter that lets me plug directly into my phone and gives me a red and white output. I played a song from my phone directly into the sub, and I could really hear the sub punch then. So I'm concerned about this, and this has been a tough issue for me to troubleshoot because I'm very new to home theater. I have heard Yamaha receivers have lower than usual preouts (1v) Is that causing my issue?

I have had similar issues, and if you do a search you'll find that many others have as well. On my old subwoofer, I thought it was mainly due to the peculiar setup required, but I recently got an SVS PB-1000 and it appears that my 773 defaults to not much bass at all. With the default YPAO settings, I had to turn the volume up rather a lot just to get the sub to come out of standby (I have now run a trigger wire.)

There's talk of low voltage on the sub out, but I don't see how that would matter if you run YPAO. The YPAO mic is measuring the actual output of the speakers and adjusting accordingly, so that should negate any potential lower output. What it might be doing is setting a flat response, whereas human hearing is not flat and is much less sensitive as the frequency gets lower. Actually, it probably isn't setting it flat, just not adjusting enough to make the perceived loudness flat for humans. This is pure speculation on my part, but something is going on here because the bass is really low with the unadjusted YPAO settings.

Some of this may have to do with our expectations of how much bass we should hear. Most people like strong bass, so we have to go from lower hearing response to where it's perceived as louder than the higher frequencies to get there--that's an increase of quite a few dB. Listening to music and movies flat as mastered may sound weak in bass to lots of people.

Here's what I did with my PB-1000. After running YPAO several times to get it where I wanted it, I have the sub volume at around 2 o'clock. YPAO set the sub at -4.5 dB. I adjusted this up to +2 or +3 dB (so I added 6 or 7 dB). I also currently have +2.5 dB on the sub trim, and another 1 dB on the bass tone control right now. Admittedly, the sub is running hot--these settings more than counterbalance the under-settings Yamaha set. At higher volumes, I will turn these down some to keep it under control, but at lower volumes it adds some richness to the sound. Others will strongly disagree with running a sub this hot, but I think YPAO is at least 6 dB low, so my settings aren't as hot as they seem. (I should also note that I have both sub outs on the 773 feeding into my sub in--some say this adds a bit to the signal, but I'm not sure. This is how I ran YPAO, so any increase was accounted for. The 673 only has one sub out, though.)

At higher volumes, I can get a lot of excursion on the sub. It's possible to make the sub thump hard, but it takes some rather large tweaks. I don't know what YPAO is doing by setting the sub so low, except that may it's paying more attention to a flat response than it is to human auditory response. The way I look at it is that as long as I can get there, then it's fine. Odd, but fine.

EDIT: It could also be related to setting the speakers to Large (which I then change to Small). Perhaps it expects some of the bass to be produced by the speakers. I partially discount this because YPAO can sense that my speakers don't give much output below 50 Hz. I nearly fully discount it when I add in the fact that it still set the sub low with my old satellites, which it set as small and which couldn't do anything below 100 Hz.
Edited by ThinkRationally - 5/20/13 at 6:03am
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