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if i am not mistaken the 673/773 has a discrete amp...not sure how much difference that will make?
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

if i am not mistaken the 673/773 has a discrete amp...not sure how much difference that will make?
I dont understand. In what way are you thinking that it might? As far as the sub issues I believe thats irrelevant.
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Thank you for the information! I sort of wish I didn't get this receiver now. What a pain in the butt. SVS also sent me an alternative way to hook up the sub using speaker wire, so I guess I'll try that.
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Originally Posted by FriendofSonic View Post

Thank you for the information! I sort of wish I didn't get this receiver now. What a pain in the butt. SVS also sent me an alternative way to hook up the sub using speaker wire, so I guess I'll try that.

I think you'd want to tweak any receiver you get to arrive at the sound you want. You just have to tweak the Yamaha sub output a little more severely than others. I don't see it as any more of pain in the butt, just different settings. I find it odd, but as long as I can get the sub to where I want it then it's not really a problem. It's still a good receiver.

I'm not crazy about using the speaker-level inputs, because you'll need to set your speakers to Large and send all audio frequencies to them. The amps will work harder, and you'll have to blend your sub's low-pass filter with your speaker roll-off to avoid overlap. At least I think that's about how it works.
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It's not the tweaking that bothers me, but having to use excessively high settings. I'll have to check again, but I feel like I was really maxing out the receiver and subwoofer settings, and getting a result that didn't resemble the result I got from hooking up my phone directly to the sub and running volume at 12 'o' clock. I have concerns about damaging the sub by extending the volume past 2 o clock, if it should require it, and maxing out the db level in the receiver. Should I have those concerns?
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Originally Posted by FriendofSonic View Post

It's not the tweaking that bothers me, but having to use excessively high settings. I'll have to check again, but I feel like I was really maxing out the receiver and subwoofer settings, and getting a result that didn't resemble the result I got from hooking up my phone directly to the sub and running volume at 12 'o' clock. I have concerns about damaging the sub by extending the volume past 2 o clock, if it should require it, and maxing out the db level in the receiver. Should I have those concerns?

I had had a similar experience and it turned out that the cal mic was defective. If you have an SPL meter, I would try that first and see at what gain level it registers 75dB at reference. If you have a better result doing this, I'd say your mic is defective.
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Originally Posted by FriendofSonic View Post

It's not the tweaking that bothers me, but having to use excessively high settings. I'll have to check again, but I feel like I was really maxing out the receiver and subwoofer settings, and getting a result that didn't resemble the result I got from hooking up my phone directly to the sub and running volume at 12 'o' clock. I have concerns about damaging the sub by extending the volume past 2 o clock, if it should require it, and maxing out the db level in the receiver. Should I have those concerns?

I got to where I wanted with a 2 o'clock setting on the sub and a +1-3 dB setting on AVR sub output. I think this is within reason, and it gives me room in both directions if I need it.

If you need to max out both the sub volume and the AVR sub output to get good bass, then I wouldn't like that either. It gives no room in one direction, and it just subjectively feels like things are being pushed hard. With my last sub I had to run the sub output at +9 dB from the AVR with the sub volume at 75 or 80% (that sub had a different kind of setup, as it was part of a 5.1 system and I had to go through its control module, so I dealt with it).

Assuming no distortion is introduced, is there a difference between running the sub output 3-6dB hot and just having an AVR that runs it at that level normally? Someone would have to verify, but I think I've read that turning the sub volume to max or near max isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Best of luck either getting your AVR set how you like it, or finding one that you prefer.
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@Bond007--Thanks

Another question. What is the verdict on the supposedly bad benchmarks of Yamaha receivers? Specifically, http://www.hometheater.com/content/yamaha-rx-v473-and-rx-v573-av-receivers-ht-labs-measures versus say http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-1612-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

Presumably the v673 wouldn't test much better than the v573?

To be honest, having now had both a denon 1905 and a rx-v375, I have a hard time believing that Denon is really that much more powerful. Or more to the point that the extra power really does anything useful in normal listening. (Though maybe that 's what I've been missing sound wise? Seems unlikely)
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Originally Posted by ThinkRationally View Post

I got to where I wanted with a 2 o'clock setting on the sub and a +1-3 dB setting on AVR sub output. I think this is within reason, and it gives me room in both directions if I need it.

If you need to max out both the sub volume and the AVR sub output to get good bass, then I wouldn't like that either. It gives no room in one direction, and it just subjectively feels like things are being pushed hard. With my last sub I had to run the sub output at +9 dB from the AVR with the sub volume at 75 or 80% (that sub had a different kind of setup, as it was part of a 5.1 system and I had to go through its control module, so I dealt with it).

Assuming no distortion is introduced, is there a difference between running the sub output 3-6dB hot and just having an AVR that runs it at that level normally? Someone would have to verify, but I think I've read that turning the sub volume to max or near max isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Best of luck either getting your AVR set how you like it, or finding one that you prefer.
Thank you! I really appreciate all of the information you've been providing me. Someone also suggested I use a Y-cable to plug into the L and R jacks in my sub which apparently gives a boost of 3 db for output. Though, I suppose you could accomplish the same thing by providing the boost in the AVR (unless I am mistaken, and this really is providing a benefit unique to using a Y cable). I saw a Y-cable with good reviews on Amazon for 9.99, so I'll give it a try anyhow.
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I read through the whole thread. Bought the 673 refurbished for $300 shipped based on all the informed reviews and opinions of the people on this thread. Hooked it to 2 Polk Monitors (65Ts) and the PSW505 sub and am loving life. I mostly listen to music on it. It's my first "real" audio setup and I am happy as a lark. Just wanted to say thanks for all the tips and time spent sharing info and impressions of the receiver. I am sure I am not the only one stalking these forums anonymously (no longer). And now I am going back to my music.
Edited by Mephistophanes - 5/20/13 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by Mephistophanes View Post

I read through the whole thread. Bought the 673 refurbished for $300 shipped based on all the informed reviews and opinions of the people on this thread. Hooked it to 2 Polk Monitors (65Ts) and the PSW505 sub and am loving life. I mostly listen to music on it. It's my first "real" audio setup and I am happy as a lark. Just wanted to say thanks for all the tips and time spent sharing info and impressions of the receiver. I am sure I am not the only one stalking these forums anonymously (no longer). And now I am going back to my music.
Good deal! smile.gif
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Is that a male lark or a female lark? Thick-billed larks are often happier than the Burmese Brush lark, but the female can be happier than the male. Age and nesting situations can also alter their happiness as well as things like domestic violence and bug abuse.


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Edited by DeadEd - 5/20/13 at 7:19pm
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Just picked up this receiver on Craigslist. Only using it with 2 floor speakers and a sub...not hooked up to a tv. I can only hear the floor speakers but not the sub. I read somewhere that I need to change the settings to small?? How do I do that? Thanks
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Originally Posted by brandtson View Post

Just picked up this receiver on Craigslist. Only using it with 2 floor speakers and a sub...not hooked up to a tv. I can only hear the floor speakers but not the sub. I read somewhere that I need to change the settings to small?? How do I do that? Thanks

You should be able to download the user manual from the Yamaha website, although IIRC you need to register an account online with Yamaha to access the downloadable support files. There are a LOT of capabilities in this AVR and you would do best to read the manual to familiarize yourself with all of the options and possibilities.

I'm not right in front of my unit at the moment so this isn't as clear as it could be, but if you choose Setup in the on-screen menu, then I think Speakers, then choose the manual option, then explore your various choices you will see where the individual speakers will show as being set to Small or Large. You can then choose your L and R speakers from a list and manually set them to Small instead. Then you want to manually adjust the subwoofer crossover frequency to whatever setting sounds best to you in your listening space.
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Originally Posted by mknecht01 View Post

You should be able to download the user manual from the Yamaha website, although IIRC you need to register an account online with Yamaha to access the downloadable support files. There are a LOT of capabilities in this AVR and you would do best to read the manual to familiarize yourself with all of the options and possibilities.

I'm not right in front of my unit at the moment so this isn't as clear as it could be, but if you choose Setup in the on-screen menu, then I think Speakers, then choose the manual option, then explore your various choices you will see where the individual speakers will show as being set to Small or Large. You can then choose your L and R speakers from a list and manually set them to Small instead. Then you want to manually adjust the subwoofer crossover frequency to whatever setting sounds best to you in your listening space.

Aargh! "Not hooked up to a TV." Not sure if it's possible to access the speaker setup just from the on-unit display, you may need to hook to a TV to access a lot of the options. And if I remember correctly, the on-screen display is HDMI only.
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Originally Posted by mknecht01 View Post

Aargh! "Not hooked up to a TV." Not sure if it's possible to access the speaker setup just from the on-unit display, you may need to hook to a TV to access a lot of the options. And if I remember correctly, the on-screen display is HDMI only.

Correct

Manual: http://download.yamaha.com/search/product/?site=usa.yamaha.com&language=en&category_id1=16445&category_id2=16446&category_id3=&product_id=1645668
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Aargh! "Not hooked up to a TV." Not sure if it's possible to access the speaker setup just from the on-unit display, you may need to hook to a TV to access a lot of the options. And if I remember correctly, the on-screen display is HDMI only.

Another option is to get the iphone or ipod app that is free and will let you set this stuff. Of course you have to have an ipad/phone and you have to have a network connection.
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Found an extra hdmi cable and hooked it up and problem solved!
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

Another option is to get the iphone or ipod app that is free and will let you set this stuff. Of course you have to have an ipad/phone and you have to have a network connection.

Can you do speaker setup on the app? It's brilliant for controlling the unit in daily usage but I just took a look around in it and can't find any options for setting up the speakers.
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

Another option is to get the iphone or ipod app that is free and will let you set this stuff. Of course you have to have an ipad/phone and you have to have a network connection.

I actually highly recommend the iPhone app, it's MUCH easier to select inputs and DSP/music playback modes than with the included remote. If your setup isn't close enough to plug directly into your wireless router (assuming you have one), then you can get a little Netgear wireless adapter to plug into the back of the unit for less than $30 refurbished on Amazon that will connect it wirelessly to your network. Then you get Apple Airplay from your iDevices and/or Windows computers with iTunes, as well as internet radio, Pandora and I think Rhapsody, and the ability to run the unit from the control app on an iPhone or iPad. Also, if you don't mind it drawing a little more power when "off," you can set it to "Network Standby" which means you can power it on and off via the control app too.

I just discovered Airplay from my laptop last week, it's glorious hearing all of that music through real speakers for a change. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I dont understand. In what way are you thinking that it might? As far as the sub issues I believe thats irrelevant.

Cripes said his speakers sounded harsh with the 375...it does not have the discrete amplifier that the 673/773 does.
Edited by basshead81 - 5/20/13 at 9:26pm
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As far as doing everything wireless couldn't I just buy a apple tv or even a blue ray player with built in wifi? Thanks for the help guys. This thing sounds great!
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Originally Posted by brandtson View Post

As far as doing everything wireless couldn't I just buy a apple tv or even a blue ray player with built in wifi?

Yes, and you would get much better streaming capabilities that way (since the 673 itself doesn't support streaming video). But if you want network control of the 673 you still have to connect it to the network.
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I have been searching for a help file for the Yamaha av controller app for iOS Can anyone point me to a link or know if one exist ? Thanks

I actually have the Yamaha RX-V573 and I Am trying to turn my zone a and b speakers off and on with the app but there doesn't seem to be an option for that. In Demo mode the appears to be but apparently that is not available for my model.


I did find a work around where you can setup a scene for changing the zone ie. in my example I wanted only the b speakers on in the basement at times so I setup a scene where only those speakers are on then you can change the input or other things allowed with the app after switching to that scene.
Edited by factoryratnut - 5/22/13 at 12:48pm
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What is the proper amount of ventilation space for the 673, specifically on the sides?

The space I am planning to put it is 18 inches wide, so I have a feeling I am going to be cutting it very close. Its close to 10 inches high though, so there is plenty of room on the top.

The back is enclosed except for roughly a 1" diameter hole for cables to come through. I am open to making that bigger if need be, I have a 2" hole saw handy.
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I think you're going to need a bigger hole.

(not sure if I put a "Jaws" high-five here or a "The Office")

Still, if the front of the cabinet is open then you are doing fine as far as ventilation.
If the front of the cabinet is covered with glass I think it's going to get a little hot.
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

I think you're going to need a bigger hole.

(not sure if I put a "Jaws" high-five here or a "The Office")

Still, if the front of the cabinet is open then you are doing fine as far as ventilation.
If the front of the cabinet is covered with glass I think it's going to get a little hot.
Agreed. Clearance is most important on top because it cools by convection. Drawing the cool air in from the bottom and releasing the warm air from the top. As long as the warm air on top does not get trapped and build up it will be ok.
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

I think you're going to need a bigger hole.

(not sure if I put a "Jaws" high-five here or a "The Office")

Still, if the front of the cabinet is open then you are doing fine as far as ventilation.
If the front of the cabinet is covered with glass I think it's going to get a little hot.

Its open on the front. Will a single 2" work, or should I try for a few more?

I guess I can just wait and see what temperature it gets. Is there anyway to see the 673 temp through a menu or is it just going to be via thermometer or touch?
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Originally Posted by AG74683 View Post

Its open on the front. Will a single 2" work, or should I try for a few more?

I guess I can just wait and see what temperature it gets. Is there anyway to see the 673 temp through a menu or is it just going to be via thermometer or touch?
There is no temp setting on the 673.
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Originally Posted by AG74683 View Post

Will a single 2" [hole for cables] work, or should I try for a few more?

HDMI cables don't like being bent at sharp angles, it tends to pull the connector out (or even damage it). So if you don't have much space behind the receiver it could be hard to persuade all the cables to go through the same hole (depending also on whether you used relatively thin and flexible cables or not).
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