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Originally Posted by bigrig View Post

If I'm reading the user manual right, it says composite input on AV3 through AV6 can be sent to HDMI output.

Yes, but some of these old game consoles output slightly non-standard video timings and may not work in practice. Better to hear from someone who has actually tried it.
post #2432 of 3379
Long time lurker here, I'm about to buy this receiver and I would like to know what to expect, as far as i have been reading I like it. Wha t else you think I should know, by the way I'm gonna hook it to this http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-HKTS-15-High-Performance-6-Piece/dp/B000K818SA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380661634&sr=8-1&keywords=HKTS-15 set of speakers what do you think?
post #2433 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Munky0512 View Post

Long time lurker here, I'm about to buy this receiver and I would like to know what to expect, as far as i have been reading I like it. Wha t else you think I should know, by the way I'm gonna hook it to this http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-HKTS-15-High-Performance-6-Piece/dp/B000K818SA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380661634&sr=8-1&keywords=HKTS-15 set of speakers what do you think?
The 673 will have no problems driving those speakers. Enjoy!
post #2434 of 3379
So I've had the RX-V673 about three weeks and I'm having a tough time getting it to start up correctly. I have a DirecTV box and a 47LM8600 LG TV hooked up.

All I'd like to do it turn on the TV, have the DirecTV box start up and the A/V receiver start with sound over the 5.1 speakers. I can get everything to start up, but no sound. So I went out and got an Audio Optical cable and hooked that up into the TV and the Yamaha's AV4 port figuring that was the missing component. Still no sound though!

HDMI and ARC is set to "on" for both the TV and the Yamaha.

I've done the HDMI Control initialization a few times.

I get sound if I hit "scene" or if I select HDMI 2.

What am I missing?
post #2435 of 3379
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Originally Posted by MollyDog View Post

So I've had the RX-V673 about three weeks and I'm having a tough time getting it to start up correctly. I have a DirecTV box and a 47LM8600 LG TV hooked up.

All I'd like to do it turn on the TV, have the DirecTV box start up and the A/V receiver start with sound over the 5.1 speakers. I can get everything to start up, but no sound. So I went out and got an Audio Optical cable and hooked that up into the TV and the Yamaha's AV4 port figuring that was the missing component. Still no sound though!

HDMI and ARC is set to "on" for both the TV and the Yamaha.

I've done the HDMI Control initialization a few times.

I get sound if I hit "scene" or if I select HDMI 2.

What am I missing?

Try page 46 in the manual. I suspect you're having a problem getting your inputs matched. By default the TV scene uses HDMI2 (I think) and AV4. You may have video input from HDMI2 and audio from AV4. You can mix and match things, though. Go to HDMI2 (assuming you're using that for TV) and set the audio input to also be from HDMI2.

You should not need ARC if the DirectTV box has proper sound output over HDMI. I tried ARC, and didn't have much success with it. If you can avoid it, do so. You should only need an optical cable if the sound originates from the TV (for example, if you have a smart TV and you browse to YouTube or something like that directly from the TV, or stream Netflix through your TV). No need to use it if you have a cable box connected to your AVR. I guess if you can get ARC working maybe you don't need an optical cable at all.

I assume you mean that HDMI control is on? I guess you need this to turn the AVR on when the TV comes on. I turn the AVR on with my TV box remote (and also control the volume with it).
post #2436 of 3379
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Originally Posted by MollyDog View Post

I get sound if I hit "scene" or if I select HDMI 2.

What am I missing?
You are not missing anything. Sadly, Yamaha and, from what I understand, other manufacturers refused to address this problem when using HDMI-ARC. With HDMI control and ARC, the 673 initially correctly finds the DVR. Then a few seconds later it switches to the TV input and shows AV4. We have to press the HDMI-2 button to get back to the DVR (or in your case the Direct TV box). I suspect that the TV continues to send an audio signal to the receiver via ARC even when no sound is coming from the TV. This confuses the receiver.

You would think that very smart engineers both from Yamaha and the TV companies would have discovered this problem in their own homes and have done something about it. If you read earlier in the thread, you would have read that numerous AVS members contacted Yamaha support and were simply told to use optical out. This is not a good option, since it defeats the benefits of HDMI-Control: the reduction of the number of required remotes as well as spaghetti of wires and cables behind our units.
post #2437 of 3379
Well I just grabbed this receiver from amazon. The price was right with a huge feature set. I have no need of the mhl support with the 2013 receivers. What I did need is an upgrade to my very old htr5650. I just got a tv and turns out I need HDMI pass through with the ability to set audio delay on a per input basis. The v673 looks perfect. It was a bit of an impulse purchase but I've always liked Yamaha's and the price was great for the feature set. Should have it wed!
post #2438 of 3379
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Originally Posted by emileg View Post

You are not missing anything. Sadly, Yamaha and, from what I understand, other manufacturers refused to address this problem when using HDMI-ARC. With HDMI control and ARC, the 673 initially correctly finds the DVR. Then a few seconds later it switches to the TV input and shows AV4. We have to press the HDMI-2 button to get back to the DVR (or in your case the Direct TV box). I suspect that the TV continues to send an audio signal to the receiver via ARC even when no sound is coming from the TV. This confuses the receiver.

You would think that very smart engineers both from Yamaha and the TV companies would have discovered this problem in their own homes and have done something about it. If you read earlier in the thread, you would have read that numerous AVS members contacted Yamaha support and were simply told to use optical out. This is not a good option, since it defeats the benefits of HDMI-Control: the reduction of the number of required remotes as well as spaghetti of wires and cables behind our units.

I have read those posts, so I went and installed a optical audio cable. Still unable to get sound without two remotes. I'll call Yamaha customer support this week and hopefully, they can help me finally get this set up.

It is sad that this receiver has such an obvious flaw.
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Does this model do Dolby iiz? I hear the front height is better then back surrounds in a 7.1 setup.
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Originally Posted by kwaidonjin View Post

Does this model do Dolby iiz? I hear the front height is better then back surrounds in a 7.1 setup.
It has Dolby PLIIx and will support front heights as well as back surrounds. Just not both at the same time.
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thanks, I have been reading that the front height adds more to movies then the back surrounds. I have 7.1 now. Onkyo 606 P.O.S. for reliability, sounds great though.
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I use front heights with my 675 and prefer them over back surrounds.
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I think I read somewhere on the issues with bluray and ARC with 673.
(My configuration :
TV - VT60 connected to 673 - TV's HDMI 2 connected to 673 HDMI out. ARC On
673 - connected to blu ray, TV and 7.1 speakers
)

Here is what I experience --

1) First problem. When I turn on the TV, the 673 turns on... good but also turns on the blu ray sony bx510.

I will try to see if there is any option on blu ray to turn off ARC.

(I hate 673 too many issues with ARC. My Denon 1613 has no such issues.)



2) Second problem. Even after turning off the blu ray. I had to physically disconnect the HDMI cable from 673 output and reconnect. to see the OTA TV being ARCed to 673.
I definitely saw this issue being mentioned somewhere....

3) I am getting tired of ARC with this 673. If I go with optical out from TV, will it cause the sound to be inferior compared to HDMI ARC? I know that optical out can do PCM.


Any suggestions?
post #2444 of 3379
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Originally Posted by MollyDog View Post

I have read those posts, so I went and installed a optical audio cable. Still unable to get sound without two remotes. I'll call Yamaha customer support this week and hopefully, they can help me finally get this set up.

It is sad that this receiver has such an obvious flaw.

Based on my experiences with Yamaha, Sony, Samsung, Vizio, Onkyo, Mitsubishi, Denon, and LG, I think Yamaha customer support will likely tell you that the AVR is performing according to spec. In my opinion, the HDMI Founders group should've made it mandatory for the implementation of ARC to permit the pass-through of ALL audio codecs (including DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD) to the receiver from all of the TV's inputs, and not just its onboard tuner. That would give consumers the flexibility to perform source switching either through their TVs or their AV receivers, while relegating the audio signal decoding duties exclusively to the AVR.
post #2445 of 3379
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Originally Posted by jk_bama View Post

I think I read somewhere on the issues with bluray and ARC with 673.
(My configuration :
TV - VT60 connected to 673 - TV's HDMI 2 connected to 673 HDMI out. ARC On
673 - connected to blu ray, TV and 7.1 speakers
)

Here is what I experience --

1) First problem. When I turn on the TV, the 673 turns on... good but also turns on the blu ray sony bx510.

I will try to see if there is any option on blu ray to turn off ARC.

(I hate 673 too many issues with ARC. My Denon 1613 has no such issues.)



2) Second problem. Even after turning off the blu ray. I had to physically disconnect the HDMI cable from 673 output and reconnect. to see the OTA TV being ARCed to 673.
I definitely saw this issue being mentioned somewhere....

3) I am getting tired of ARC with this 673. If I go with optical out from TV, will it cause the sound to be inferior compared to HDMI ARC? I know that optical out can do PCM.


Any suggestions?

Your Blu-ray player should be connected to the AVR via HDMI to allow the decoding of the advanced audio codecs, but you need to disable the HDMI CEC function on the Blu-ray player. This should keep the Yamaha from turning on the Blu-ray player.
post #2446 of 3379
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Originally Posted by jk_bama View Post

I think I read somewhere on the issues with bluray and ARC with 673.
(My configuration :
TV - VT60 connected to 673 - TV's HDMI 2 connected to 673 HDMI out. ARC On
673 - connected to blu ray, TV and 7.1 speakers
)

Here is what I experience --

1) First problem. When I turn on the TV, the 673 turns on... good but also turns on the blu ray sony bx510.

I will try to see if there is any option on blu ray to turn off ARC.

(I hate 673 too many issues with ARC. My Denon 1613 has no such issues.)



2) Second problem. Even after turning off the blu ray. I had to physically disconnect the HDMI cable from 673 output and reconnect. to see the OTA TV being ARCed to 673.
I definitely saw this issue being mentioned somewhere....

3) I am getting tired of ARC with this 673. If I go with optical out from TV, will it cause the sound to be inferior compared to HDMI ARC? I know that optical out can do PCM.


Any suggestions?
1) That is a CEC issue. Not an ARC issue.
2) You will run into handshake issues if things arent turned on in a certain order.
3) The VT60 optical out will provide 5.1 for the internal tv apps only.
post #2447 of 3379
bond -
Don tknow the difference bet ARC and CEC but somebody mentioned to turn off in blu ray.

Good you mention the handshake issues. Is there certain order I can reference?

Little confused about your VT60 comment that it will only input 5.1 on optical for internal apps. So will OTA be in 5.1? The main question is am I losing any sound quality if I go the optical route.
post #2448 of 3379
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Originally Posted by kwaidonjin View Post

Does this model do Dolby iiz? I hear the front height is better then back surrounds in a 7.1 setup.

There's no Dolby PLIIz. It does support front presence speakers which are located where you would put front heights, but the processing is Yamaha's own.

For me rear surrounds add a lot to the sound field, but for best effect you need to have at least 3 or 4 feet of space behind the listening position, and then make sure the side surrounds are placed more or less directly to the side (not slightly behind you as you would in a 5.1 system). i.e. spread out the 4 surrounds, don't have them all behind you.
post #2449 of 3379
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Originally Posted by jk_bama View Post

bond -
Don tknow the difference bet ARC and CEC but somebody mentioned to turn off in blu ray.

Good you mention the handshake issues. Is there certain order I can reference?

Little confused about your VT60 comment that it will only input 5.1 on optical for internal apps. So will OTA be in 5.1? The main question is am I losing any sound quality if I go the optical route.
I dont know the best order for your equipment. Youll have to experiment.
The VT60 will output 5.1 for OTA as well.
Whether you lose sound quality will depend on the source. Optical will not carry DTS HD Master or Dolby True HD so if youre using optical for your bluray player you will lose sq. But if youre using it for OTA or the built in apps you will lose no sq because the highest audio they carry is DD 5.1 anyway.
post #2450 of 3379
Hey bond. I have a xbox 360 hooked Up to my receiver with hdmi. Can i get dts through that and If so how?
post #2451 of 3379
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

Hey bond. I have a xbox 360 hooked Up to my receiver with hdmi. Can i get dts through that and If so how?
Does the XBox have optical out?
post #2452 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Does the XBox have optical out?
Scratch that. If you have it hooked up via HDMI you should already be getting anything it can put out. What are you getting now? Any reason why you want DTS in particular?
post #2453 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Scratch that. If you have it hooked up via HDMI you should already be getting anything it can put out. What are you getting now? Any reason why you want DTS in particular?
I'm getting dolby digital. Just think dts sounds better.
post #2454 of 3379
Dts hd master would be the bomb though.
post #2455 of 3379
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

I'm getting dolby digital. Just think dts sounds better.
No reason why DTS should sound better. I dont have an XBox but I would think that if you set it up properly it will deliver whatever the source is. My PS3 is that way. If the movie is DTS then thats what it outputs. If the movie is Dolby Digital then thats what it outputs. Its best to keep it that way.
You would have to,look at your XBox audio settings and see whats going on. If you like DTS better for some reason maybe you can force that in the XBox settings but I doubt it.
post #2456 of 3379
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

No reason why DTS should sound better. I dont have an XBox but I would think that if you set it up properly it will deliver whatever the source is. My PS3 is that way. If the movie is DTS then thats what it outputs. If the movie is Dolby Digital then thats what it outputs. Its best to keep it that way.
You would have to,look at your XBox audio settings and see whats going on. If you like DTS better for some reason maybe you can force that in the XBox settings but I doubt it.
ok. Thanks bond.
post #2457 of 3379
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

Dts hd master would be the bomb though.
Does the XBox support DTS Master? If it does theres no reason why you shouldnt be able to get it. The 673 certainly supports it.
post #2458 of 3379
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Originally Posted by missyman View Post

ok. Thanks bond.
YW
post #2459 of 3379
thanks Bond. that is precisely the answer I was looking for.
post #2460 of 3379
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Originally Posted by jk_bama View Post

thanks Bond. that is precisely the answer I was looking for.
Glad to hear it.
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