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post #331 of 1907
9/2/12 at 11:23pm
Hi,
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Will this 673 work with Polk Monitor Series II? I'm doing a budget 5.1 using Monitor 60s, 40s, CS2, and PSW505 sub. Will this set up work/sync together well? I know Monitor series is old technology and would loge to get feedback before buying.
I'm total newb
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post #332 of 1907
9/2/12 at 11:38pm
The problem happened again: Went to watch a BluRay movie with 5.1 audio on my PS3 via PCM, and the receiver detected it as 2.0 PCM instead of 5.1 PCM! I power cycled the receiver and it was 5.1 immediately, everything correct. This never happened with my PS3 and my old receivers. It doesn't happen in the middle of a movie, only at launch. I think it is a major bug with this receiver!!! I cannot use Bitstream instead of PCM because I have an "old" PS3 which only supports full HD uncompressed audio via PCM. I checked everything before the power cycle... no Cinema DSP modes, it was on Straight. All my speakers lit up yellow in Information, but only 2.0 PCM was listed.

Ideas??
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post #333 of 1907
9/3/12 at 1:54am
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Hi,
new here.
Will this 673 work with Polk Monitor Series II? I'm doing a budget 5.1 using Monitor 60s, 40s, CS2, and PSW505 sub. Will this set up work/sync together well? I know Monitor series is old technology and would loge to get feedback before buying.
I'm total newb
Thanks in advance
As long as they are all 8ohm and the sensitivity is within 1-2 Db then you should be fine. Polk makes some good speakers. I just looked at the specs on those and the speakers will work together fine. If you are wondering if they will work with the 673 then Yes Absolutely.
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post #334 of 1907
9/3/12 at 2:11am
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The problem happened again: Went to watch a BluRay movie with 5.1 audio on my PS3 via PCM, and the receiver detected it as 2.0 PCM instead of 5.1 PCM! I power cycled the receiver and it was 5.1 immediately, everything correct. This never happened with my PS3 and my old receivers. It doesn't happen in the middle of a movie, only at launch. I think it is a major bug with this receiver!!! I cannot use Bitstream instead of PCM because I have an "old" PS3 which only supports full HD uncompressed audio via PCM. I checked everything before the power cycle... no Cinema DSP modes, it was on Straight. All my speakers lit up yellow in Information, but only 2.0 PCM was listed.
Ideas??
If you were in Straight mode and getting a 2.0 signal and all of the speakers were lit up then the receiver is giving you bad info one way or another. Did you happen to notice if all of the speakers were actually working regardless of whether they were lit up or not? Either you werent really getting a 2.0 signal or all of the speakers werent really working. This would bethe case ONLY if you were in Straight mode.
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post #335 of 1907
9/3/12 at 11:29am
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If you were in Straight mode and getting a 2.0 signal and all of the speakers were lit up then the receiver is giving you bad info one way or another. Did you happen to notice if all of the speakers were actually working regardless of whether they were lit up or not? Either you werent really getting a 2.0 signal or all of the speakers werent really working. This would bethe case ONLY if you were in Straight mode.

They weren't working, because there was no center speaker dialogue. It was totally missing as it has been every time this happened. To clarify, they were all lit yellow under Information, but on the receiver's physical display only the 2.0 pattern was lit, not the 5.1 pattern. So let me re-iterate:

  • Straight mode on at all times, PS3 attached to HDMI 1 port
  • Receiver reports PCM 2.0 mode with all speakers lit under Information (BUT NOT on the unit itself) when it should be reporting PCM 5.1.
  • Wrong settings confirmed due to missing movie dialogue.
  • PS3 attached to V673 via HDMI cable only.
  • It never drops into 2.0 mode during the movie once 5.1 has been set correctly, it somehow gets into this state at some point during the BluRay startup.
  • Never occurred with previous Sony and Panasonic receivers over the past 4 years with this same PS3 unit.
  • Quickly tuning receiver off then on again fixes it completely.
  • Has happened multiple times now, but I can't spot a pattern. It both happens and doesn't happen with the same source material and settings.
  • I can't use Bitsream because my "old" model PS3 does not support lossless audio over HDMI Bitsream so the decoding has to be done on the PS3 side.


It's not a huge deal I suppose, but annoying since a brand new receiver is clearly not working correctly at times. It almost seems like a handshaking issue. I'd report it to Yamaha, but without a consistent way to repro, I'd probably be ignored.

I've changed some settings on the PS3 now to eliminate any PCM 2.0 output higher than 48kHz sampling, and I've switched the Optical settings (even though not in use) from PCM to Bitstream just in case its causing a confusion. So hopefully that will help.
The only thing I've changed lately besides the receiver is the type of cable... going from various no-name thick HDMI cables to the new Amazon Basics HDMI cables with 3D/Ethernet, etc. Maybe the new cables are confusing the system, but I have no idea if my old HDMI cables were 3D or ARC capable like these are.
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post #336 of 1907
9/3/12 at 3:37pm
I previously complained about the inability to watch TV or another HDMI source while listening to the radio on this receiver but that is no longer a problem. I cant believe i overlooked this option. The "video out" control in the input menu has solved this problem. I can select "tuner" from the input selection menu and hit up on the remote. This will bring up a video out control which can be changed to another source. I selected "HDMI 1" for my TV. I also have the ability to bring up this control with Airplay as well. My only questions are now related what others have mentioned in regards to firmware updates and the possible addition of pandora etc. I just dont see where the controls are to update the receiver. I can see that i have firmware version 1.05 in system info but i cannot find a control to update if it is available....
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post #337 of 1907
9/3/12 at 5:47pm
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I previously complained about the inability to watch TV or another HDMI source while listening to the radio on this receiver but that is no longer a problem. I cant believe i overlooked this option. The "video out" control in the input menu has solved this problem. I can select "tuner" from the input selection menu and hit up on the remote. This will bring up a video out control which can be changed to another source. I selected "HDMI 1" for my TV. I also have the ability to bring up this control with Airplay as well. My only questions are now related what others have mentioned in regards to firmware updates and the possible addition of pandora etc. I just dont see where the controls are to update the receiver. I can see that i have firmware version 1.05 in system info but i cannot find a control to update if it is available....
Not sure if there is a manual way to check through the receiver. You can go to the Yamaha website to see if you have the latest but the receiver checks from time to time and is supposed to let you know when a new one is available.
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post #338 of 1907
9/3/12 at 5:51pm
Isnt there a way to reset the receiver other than unplugging it? Dont want a factory reset. The OSD does not display volume, etc from time to time and the only way I have found to fix it is to unplug it and plug it back in. I am leary about making a habit of this. In the manual it says "Hold down the Main Zone (power) button for more than 10 seconds to initialize and reboot the unit". Wont this mean that all settings will be lost?
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post #339 of 1907
9/3/12 at 5:59pm
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post #340 of 1907
9/4/12 at 5:52am
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Isnt there a way to reset the receiver other than unplugging it? Dont want a factory reset. The OSD does not display volume, etc from time to time and the only way I have found to fix it is to unplug it and plug it back in. I am leary about making a habit of this. In the manual it says "Hold down the Main Zone (power) button for more than 10 seconds to initialize and reboot the unit". Wont this mean that all settings will be lost?
I don't think that will lose your settings (but why don't you try it and let us know smile.gif).

Yamaha clearly have a problem with the OSD getting corrupted on many of the recent models (going back a couple of years). Not the worst problem, but surprising they can't make the OSD more robust (not to mention smaller and less objectionable than the big black rectangle).
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post #341 of 1907
9/4/12 at 5:47pm
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I previously complained about the inability to watch TV or another HDMI source while listening to the radio on this receiver but that is no longer a problem. I cant believe i overlooked this option. The "video out" control in the input menu has solved this problem. I can select "tuner" from the input selection menu and hit up on the remote. This will bring up a video out control which can be changed to another source. I selected "HDMI 1" for my TV. I also have the ability to bring up this control with Airplay as well. My only questions are now related what others have mentioned in regards to firmware updates and the possible addition of pandora etc. I just dont see where the controls are to update the receiver. I can see that i have firmware version 1.05 in system info but i cannot find a control to update if it is available....

Thanks for posting this. I too wanted this feature and I appreciate you explaining how to do it. One issue I'm having with this is how can I permanently turn off the Airplay box that shows next song and all the airplay controls. I would never want to use those now that I have my Video out set to show what is coming through my directv box. I realize I can do it with the remote, but I am using a universal with punch throughs and don't have access to the buttons necessary to do this because they are in use for the directv box. If there is a way to turn off the airplay box in the settings please let me know. Thanks again. Even the home theatre guy I had install this system said this could not be done. You guys are AWESOME!!
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post #342 of 1907
9/4/12 at 9:02pm
Hi guys, I just bought the V673 after reading so much issues with the onkyo 616. I'm pairing it up with the Panasonic L47ET5 and they are connected via the TV's ARC-HDMI.

I learned that the 673 allows HDMI pass-through to TV in standby mode, so there's no need to switch on the 673 when I just want to watch TV without any sound amplification. I tried that last night and the video pass-through in standby works, however there's no sound at all. Looked around the settings but none mentioned anything about sound, only video in the pass-through settings.

Am i missing some settings that will allow sound as well in HDMI standby pass through?
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post #343 of 1907
9/5/12 at 7:39am
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Thanks for posting this. I too wanted this feature and I appreciate you explaining how to do it. One issue I'm having with this is how can I permanently turn off the Airplay box that shows next song and all the airplay controls. I would never want to use those now that I have my Video out set to show what is coming through my directv box. I realize I can do it with the remote, but I am using a universal with punch throughs and don't have access to the buttons necessary to do this because they are in use for the directv box. If there is a way to turn off the airplay box in the settings please let me know. Thanks again. Even the home theatre guy I had install this system said this could not be done. You guys are AWESOME!!

Ok, so I was on cloud 9 yesterday because I could listen to pandora through airplay and have a baseball game playing on the tv. But somehow my "short message" that displays volume and surround modes no longer shows up on the tv. It only shows up on the receiver which is in the closet. How do I get this to show up back on the tv? It does show up when the "on screen" menu is on the tv but once I turn the "on screen" setup menu off it will no longer show up. I also do have "short message" turned on which is supposed to be the volume and surround messages that I want to see. I unplugged and held down the power button to no avail. Also, when it used to work there would be nothing on the screen of my receiver and the volume/surr mode would show up on my tv. Now the volume/surr mode are only on the receiver which again do me no good because it is in a closet. Your help is appreciated. Seems very simple but I can't figure it our for the life of me.
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post #344 of 1907
9/5/12 at 7:40am
Orixy,

it does allow sound pass-through as well and works like a charm. I am at work right now and cant remember where at in the settings you can select for sound pass-through in stand-by mode. Keep looking because I promise it is there. Works great when I am sleeping and dont want the kids bumping the 7.1 setup.
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post #345 of 1907
9/5/12 at 7:42am
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Hi guys, I just bought the V673 after reading so much issues with the onkyo 616. I'm pairing it up with the Panasonic L47ET5 and they are connected via the TV's ARC-HDMI.
I learned that the 673 allows HDMI pass-through to TV in standby mode, so there's no need to switch on the 673 when I just want to watch TV without any sound amplification. I tried that last night and the video pass-through in standby works, however there's no sound at all. Looked around the settings but none mentioned anything about sound, only video in the pass-through settings.
Am i missing some settings that will allow sound as well in HDMI standby pass through?

I am having a similar issue and looks like we aren't alone!
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post #346 of 1907
9/5/12 at 6:12pm
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Orixy,
it does allow sound pass-through as well and works like a charm. I am at work right now and cant remember where at in the settings you can select for sound pass-through in stand-by mode. Keep looking because I promise it is there. Works great when I am sleeping and dont want the kids bumping the 7.1 setup.

Hi there, thanks for your reply. I've resolved it and it was sort of my oversight.

My connection: HD TV set-top box >> RX-V673 >> Panasonic ET5 TV.
I was playing around with the settings and suddenly there was sound when I switched to a HD channel that had dolby digital. Then I recall that my set-top box had a setting for switching dolby digital to on/off and mine was 'on'. I switched it to 'off' and now there is sound for all channels for 'standby through'.

This is weird though because when I connect the set-top box directly to TV and with dolby digital switched 'on', there was sound from all channels. Perplexing...
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post #347 of 1907
9/5/12 at 7:03pm
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I am having a similar issue and looks like we aren't alone!

Hi there, I've sort of resolved my issue with the no audio over HDMI. See my earlier post.
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post #348 of 1907
9/5/12 at 8:49pm
Quick noob question: I am using a Yamaha subwoofer that has 2 RCA inputs. Since the V673 has 2 subwoofer-out for the x.2 config, is there any difference if I connect 1 or 2 cables from the V673 to my single subwoofer?
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post #349 of 1907
9/5/12 at 11:33pm
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Quick noob question: I am using a Yamaha subwoofer that has 2 RCA inputs. Since the V673 has 2 subwoofer-out for the x.2 config, is there any difference if I connect 1 or 2 cables from the V673 to my single subwoofer?

It's always a good idea to read the thread before repeating questions. We discussed this a couple of pages back. But the bottom line is that you need only ONE input line.
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post #350 of 1907
9/6/12 at 12:31am
Tks DeadEd, managed to read it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408245/the-official-yamaha-rx-v673-thread-7-2-channel-network-avr/90#post_22235922

BTW, my subwoofer user manual indicated to connect both terminals so I've done that.
Edited by orixy - 9/6/12 at 5:41pm
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post #351 of 1907
9/6/12 at 7:21am
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Hi guys, I just bought the V673 after reading so much issues with the onkyo 616. I'm pairing it up with the Panasonic L47ET5 and they are connected via the TV's ARC-HDMI.
I learned that the 673 allows HDMI pass-through to TV in standby mode, so there's no need to switch on the 673 when I just want to watch TV without any sound amplification. I tried that last night and the video pass-through in standby works, however there's no sound at all. Looked around the settings but none mentioned anything about sound, only video in the pass-through settings.
Am i missing some settings that will allow sound as well in HDMI standby pass through?

Here is how mine works with my directv box going into my receiver and the hdmi going out to my tv:

When receiver, directv box, and tv are on I get sound from surround speakers. If I turn off the receiver then I get volume from the tv. This is because I have the standby turned on (there is a little red light on the receiver that should tell you it is on). Here is where it is in the menu:

Hit On Screen on the Remote

Go to Setup

Scroll to HDMI

My Hdmi control is set to Off (I'm not sure what this does to be honest)

In the Audio Output Folder - Amp is set to On and Hdmi out (tv) is set to Off

****Then Standby Through is set to ON**** From my understanding this is what you need to have enabled to get sound to work through your tv without the receiver actually being on

Interesting thing is the guy that installed my system told me I wouldn't be able to do this. Later when I found out I could he said "Yeah it works on some of them and not on others". I'm not sure if that is true or if he doesn't read the manuals thoroughly enough to know. Either way, hope this helps.

BTW - if anyone wants to explain hdmi control and the audio output folder options I would be interested to know. Thanks.
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post #352 of 1907
9/6/12 at 7:23am
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Ok, so I was on cloud 9 yesterday because I could listen to pandora through airplay and have a baseball game playing on the tv. But somehow my "short message" that displays volume and surround modes no longer shows up on the tv. It only shows up on the receiver which is in the closet. How do I get this to show up back on the tv? It does show up when the "on screen" menu is on the tv but once I turn the "on screen" setup menu off it will no longer show up. I also do have "short message" turned on which is supposed to be the volume and surround messages that I want to see. I unplugged and held down the power button to no avail. Also, when it used to work there would be nothing on the screen of my receiver and the volume/surr mode would show up on my tv. Now the volume/surr mode are only on the receiver which again do me no good because it is in a closet. Your help is appreciated. Seems very simple but I can't figure it our for the life of me.

Called Yamaha and they had me reset or Initialize the Video Settings and it works now. My "short messages" are back on the screen.
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post #353 of 1907
9/6/12 at 7:53am
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Called Yamaha and they had me reset or Initialize the Video Settings and it works now. My "short messages" are back on the screen.
How did they instruct you to "reset or Initialize" the video settings. May be helpful to others.
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post #354 of 1907
9/6/12 at 4:16pm
To reset your settings or "reinitialize" as the tech called it:

Turn of receiver

Press and hold Straight

Turn on Receiver while holding Straight

Screen should read Advanced Setup Mode

Let go of Straight

Use Program selector to find INIT

Tap Straight until you Initialize or Reset Video (which is what I did) or you can Initialize All

Then turn Receiver Off

Worked for me to get my "Short Messages" back on the screen
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post #355 of 1907
9/6/12 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by bradley4kevin View Post

Here is how mine works with my directv box going into my receiver and the hdmi going out to my tv:
When receiver, directv box, and tv are on I get sound from surround speakers. If I turn off the receiver then I get volume from the tv. This is because I have the standby turned on (there is a little red light on the receiver that should tell you it is on). Here is where it is in the menu:
Hit On Screen on the Remote
Go to Setup
Scroll to HDMI
My Hdmi control is set to Off (I'm not sure what this does to be honest)
In the Audio Output Folder - Amp is set to On and Hdmi out (tv) is set to Off
****Then Standby Through is set to ON**** From my understanding this is what you need to have enabled to get sound to work through your tv without the receiver actually being on
Interesting thing is the guy that installed my system told me I wouldn't be able to do this. Later when I found out I could he said "Yeah it works on some of them and not on others". I'm not sure if that is true or if he doesn't read the manuals thoroughly enough to know. Either way, hope this helps.
BTW - if anyone wants to explain hdmi control and the audio output folder options I would be interested to know. Thanks.

Hi there, and thanks for sharing. I've already got my Standby Through switched on that is why i was able to see video. My problem lies with no audio in this scenario.

Anyway, played around with all the settings and the problems lies with my TV, nothing to do with the v673.
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post #356 of 1907
9/7/12 at 12:33am
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Originally Posted by bradley4kevin View Post

To reset your settings or "reinitialize" as the tech called it:
Turn of receiver
Press and hold Straight
Turn on Receiver while holding Straight
Screen should read Advanced Setup Mode
Let go of Straight
Use Program selector to find INIT
Tap Straight until you Initialize or Reset Video (which is what I did) or you can Initialize All
Then turn Receiver Off
Worked for me to get my "Short Messages" back on the screen
Thanks for the info. Did you lose settings?
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post #357 of 1907
9/7/12 at 12:37am
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Originally Posted by orixy View Post

Hi there, and thanks for sharing. I've already got my Standby Through switched on that is why i was able to see video. My problem lies with no audio in this scenario.
Anyway, played around with all the settings and the problems lies with my TV, nothing to do with the v673.
Check your ARC settings if it is an ARC tv. If you set the receiver to "HDMI Control" off then the ARC on the tv should be off.
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post #358 of 1907
9/7/12 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by bradley4kevin View Post

Here is how mine works with my directv box going into my receiver and the hdmi going out to my tv:
When receiver, directv box, and tv are on I get sound from surround speakers. If I turn off the receiver then I get volume from the tv. This is because I have the standby turned on (there is a little red light on the receiver that should tell you it is on). Here is where it is in the menu:
Hit On Screen on the Remote
Go to Setup
Scroll to HDMI
My Hdmi control is set to Off (I'm not sure what this does to be honest)
In the Audio Output Folder - Amp is set to On and Hdmi out (tv) is set to Off
****Then Standby Through is set to ON**** From my understanding this is what you need to have enabled to get sound to work through your tv without the receiver actually being on
Interesting thing is the guy that installed my system told me I wouldn't be able to do this. Later when I found out I could he said "Yeah it works on some of them and not on others". I'm not sure if that is true or if he doesn't read the manuals thoroughly enough to know. Either way, hope this helps.
BTW - if anyone wants to explain hdmi control and the audio output folder options I would be interested to know. Thanks.
HDMI control is if you want to turn on or off multiple devices at once (receiver and tv). With "Audio output" you can choose to listen to the receiver only when watching tv or you can get audio from the receiver and the tv at the same time if you set "HDMI Out (TV)" to "On". If you set to listen to both you may have synching issues and you will lose your "true" surround sound because you are getting all sound from the tv and it will ruin the separation created by the receiver in surround mode.
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post #359 of 1907
9/7/12 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Check your ARC settings if it is an ARC tv. If you set the receiver to "HDMI Control" off then the ARC on the tv should be off.

I'm using a Panasonic L47ET5 which supports ARC. I currently connect the v673 to the TV via the TV's HDMI socket that has ARC.

So switch off ARC meaning to set VieraLink to off? There's no setting mentioning ARC on the menu...
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post #360 of 1907
9/7/12 at 4:06am
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Originally Posted by orixy View Post

I'm using a Panasonic L47ET5 which supports ARC. I currently connect the v673 to the TV via the TV's HDMI socket that has ARC.
So switch off ARC meaning to set VieraLink to off? There's no setting mentioning ARC on the menu...
Yes. VieraLink is Panasonic speak for ARC. Turn it off and make sure your default speakers is set to tv. If it is already off then this is obviously not the problem but if you have HDMI control off on the receiver then you should turn off VieraLink anyway unless you are trying to tie it in to a bluray player or something. Another thing worth a try is hook it up to HDMI 1 since you are not using ARC anyway. You may have a bad port or cable.
Edited by Bond 007 - 9/7/12 at 4:11am
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