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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I may need to use a First Surface Mirror in a small room to get enough throw distance. Mirror may need to be large about 18"x30".
Anyone know of a place to get one for cheap or will it be an arm and a leg ?
I have heard that a normal rear surface mirror can work but can add a little ghosting. That ghosting would be even more bad news if used with a 3D projector, correct ?
Any cheap way to do it ?
post #2 of 12
arm and a leg.

A thick Mil Mylar is your only other option
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post #4 of 12
Not a bad find, and a very good price providing it is in the condition stated, is the needed size (problematical at best), and makes it through the mail unscathed (ie: unbroken)

Not sure how well Ebay protects your purchases (Amazon at least tries to do so...) but in the end, at the price stated, your not ever gonna be able to expect to get into a 1st Surface Mirror any cheaper.
post #5 of 12
Old RPTVs are a dime a dozen if you are willing to haul the carcass. Craigslist?
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Great ideas.

"if you are willing to haul the carcass"
What have you heard ?
I like Home theater and the Sopranos...Yea, OK, I see your point, I will haul that carcass...LOL

But I kid you not. Coming home today (Trash Day) I saw a 60"+ RPTV out by the curb...Mirror gone, but it gives me hope.
post #7 of 12
where are you located.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Florida...
post #9 of 12
Do yourself a favor and just try a rear surface mirror. Take down the hall mirror and do the experiment and see what you think. We played around with a mirror a few times and didn’t see any PQ issues.
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bud16415 View Post

Do yourself a favor and just try a rear surface mirror. Take down the hall mirror and do the experiment and see what you think. We played around with a mirror a few times and didn't see any PQ issues.

Yea, think I read a post a long ways back about someone doing that. But that was years before 3D home projectors. I was thinking with 3D, a rear surface mirror might add to ghosting. But if I do have to use a mirror, I will try it out.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by The big picture View Post

Yea, think I read a post a long ways back about someone doing that. But that was years before 3D home projectors. I was thinking with 3D, a rear surface mirror might add to ghosting. But if I do have to use a mirror, I will try it out.

I think using a reclaimed RPTV Mirror is by far the most sensible and direct approach to consider. It will take a Mirror out of a big RPTV to come close to matching the size you say you need, but in the end, it would be a mirror that was designed and intended to do exactly what you want...and need doing. First Surface...and Cheap.

No "I hope-s"...no "Maybe this will-s...", and absolutely no "I guess I should have-s"
post #12 of 12
An old thread but wanted to post my experience with using a mirror to increase projector throw distance.
My room is (14' wide X about 11' deep) with the screen on the long wall.
Due to the limited throw distance the largest screen I could use was about 88" wide.
I read about using a mirror but thought it would be too difficult to setup with my cheap DLP because of the limited zoom range and lack of lens shift.
In reality it was quite easy.
I first used a larger cheap mirror, then when everything was working took measurements, added an inch or so for hangers then ordered an optical grade glass first surface mirror from Firstsurfacemirros.com. There may be other sources but I didn't find any Google searching.
The difference between a first surface and a regular mirror is that the first surface has the reflective coating on the front of the glass, not behind. A regular mirror may give you a second, very dim ghost reflection from the glass itself. In practice I didn't notice this, but what I did notice was that mirrors are not as flat as one might think. I tried three different regular mirrors (trying to save the money of ordering the first surface) and each of them produced very slight banding in bright areas of the picture (like sky scenes).
The mirrors from the site listed are optical grade, with extremely tight tolerances. They are also very reflective so any drop in light output from the projector is insignificant.
I gained over 3' of throw and was able to go with a 110" wide screen reflecting off a 24"X12" mirror.
The attached drawing should be self explanatory. I drew it up for another member's room but it is very similar to mine. Each square = 6 inches.

Update Nov 11: I bought the best optical glass FS mirror sold by the link above. Unfortunately I can still see very, very slight banding in panned bright scenes. As with most imperfections casual viewers won't notice but once you see it, it drives you crazy. I don't blame the vendour as likely a polished glass surface worth 10X what I paid would be required. Oddly enough I don't think the plastic FS mirros found in rear projection tv's would suffer from the waves. I think that imperfection is a byproduct of float glass manufacturing. I wouldn't go the mirror route again and am in fact contemplating going back to a smaller screen with a straight shot. Live, experiment and learn.


Edited by DavidK442 - 11/11/12 at 7:26pm
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