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post #11461 of 13462
Wait was that reply to me? eek.gif

I agree there's only so much you can do, and ABL doesn't help.

So Pros support high panel brightness for 3D? Here I thought I was just crazy...
post #11462 of 13462
I find it plenty bright enough, but I only watch 3d once in a great while
post #11463 of 13462
Thanks. Oh, and congrats on the awesome cal. (even if I'm still a skeptic biggrin.gif)

I mostly agree, but I bet 3D is pretty awesome on the F8500. cool.gif
post #11464 of 13462
You need to see it to become a believer, once you do nothing else will suffice. I am sure the 8500 is great all around but its out of my price range and I don't believe in Samsung's build quality. I can honestly say I am experiencing not one single moment of buyers remorse. Could have waited for the ST60 but in the end this is the best picture I have ever seen. Haven't seen a Kuro or Sharp Elite but this has got to be in the same league imo
post #11465 of 13462
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

My Calibration Experience:

Chad arrived promptly and ready to rock at the agreed upon time.
Thanks for your calibration report. I've added it to the flat panel (post number two) list for the VT50 displays. As usual, the link to owner's calibration reports thread is in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy. biggrin.gif
post #11466 of 13462
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

Serious question. Less than 10 fl is calibrated for 3D?

I know that's with glasses, but still... eek.gif

Yepp, loses a lot of light.

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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

You need to see it to become a believer, once you do nothing else will suffice. I am sure the 8500 is great all around but its out of my price range and I don't believe in Samsung's build quality. I can honestly say I am experiencing not one single moment of buyers remorse. Could have waited for the ST60 but in the end this is the best picture I have ever seen. Haven't seen a Kuro or Sharp Elite but this has got to be in the same league imo

Results look great, my calibration is scheduled for around Apr 10th and cant wait.
post #11467 of 13462
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

Serious question. Less than 10 fl is calibrated for 3D?

I know that's with glasses, but still... eek.gif

Actually the 8+FL is on the high end for a plasma 3D calibration.
Movie Theaters I think for 3D movies are in the 5 to 6FL range. Point being 3D movies are mastered in this range.

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post #11468 of 13462
Chad,

Do you see any value in using the AGC control in conjunction with the black extention controls to brighten up dark scenes for day viewing?
post #11469 of 13462
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Chad,

Do you see any value in using the AGC control in conjunction with the black extention controls to brighten up dark scenes for day viewing?

I can't speak for Chad but I think his answer will be no, a lot of folks used these settings on the ST30 couple years ago and they produce issues in the grayscale ramp I believe. Chad used the term "pumping" when describing the effect to me. I am sure he can explain in detail but I know he didn't recommend it.
post #11470 of 13462
That's right, I didn't like those settings at all in the 30 series so I never even experimented with them on the 50 series.
post #11471 of 13462
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

From the people I've used, and their recommendations. I've also talked to a couple of these guys on email and/or phone and they are very nice:

ChadB
D-Nice
Gregg Loewen
Kevin Miller
MichaelTLV
Ray Jr
TomHuffman(I think he still does it some)

I put them in alphabetical order so no favoritism smile.gif

Thats my list, spending my money, but as htwaits pointed out he has a comprehensive list of user reviews. You may be limited by your area as to whom you can chose, I only have like 2 off that list that hit my area.

You can also look here for a THX trained guy in your area, AND then check into their history.

http://www.thxvideotech.com/forum/showthread.php?542-THX-Certified-Video-Calibrator

Let me add Robert Busch (BHT - Busch Home Theater) for North California. I've been working with Robert for over a decade.

He is no longer active online, so he does not get as much of a mention. My review of his VT50 calibration is posted in this thread and in the calibration review thread.

jdg
post #11472 of 13462
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Is all this gloating bothering you Bill? smile.gif

Should actually be a separate "After Market Calibration" forum topic for VT50's, as many may not be employing such services currently. Only logical if you follow both threads (owners/setings) as I do, and as of now are not currently interested in "personal" reports on individual calibrations, referrals etc., call them "gloating" if you will, but not all that pertinent to new "owners", that just need some help or feedback regarding the basics. Just my two cents, as I agree with "Bill". Flame on........
post #11473 of 13462
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Originally Posted by JohnDG View Post


Let me add Robert Busch (BHT - Busch Home Theater) for North California. I've been working with Robert for over a decade.

He is no longer active online, so he does not get as much of a mention. My review of his VT50 calibration is posted in this thread and in the calibration review thread.

jdg
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post #11474 of 13462
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Originally Posted by Mactavish View Post

Should actually be a separate "After Market Calibration" forum topic for VT50's, as many may not be employing such services currently. Only logical if you follow both threads (owners/setings) as I do, and as of now are not currently interested in "personal" reports on individual calibrations, referrals etc., call them "gloating" if you will, but not all that pertinent to new "owners", that just need some help or feedback regarding the basics. Just my two cents, as I agree with "Bill". Flame on........

It is important to know or be aware, that such services do exist. Given the cost of the VT50, those services are not unreasonable, given that it is not done in 5 minutes, but in hours. It is simply amazing at how cheap some owners of VT50s can be. Those disparaging professional calibrations have probably never seen and watched a professionally calibrated display. If one cannot see the difference, than a professional calibration is not for you. For those who want to do it themselves, the learning curve is steep and none of them will have the $20K+ hardware to pull it off and calibrate to reference.
post #11475 of 13462
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

It is important to know or be aware, that such services do exist. Given the cost of the VT50, those services are not unreasonable, given that it is not done in 5 minutes, but in hours. It is simply amazing at how cheap some owners of VT50s can be. Those disparaging professional calibrations have probably never seen and watched a professionally calibrated display. If one cannot see the difference, than a professional calibration is not for you. For those who want to do it themselves, the learning curve is steep and none of them will have the $20K+ hardware to pull it off and calibrate to reference.

My original post that you did not quote, had NOTHING to do with "calibrators" or their services. I do not disagree with anything you said, but it has nothing to do with my post at all. It was in response to a post by "billmich" here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/11430#post_23143740
post #11476 of 13462
Just now reading this month's Consumer Reports, they do NOT recommend professional calibration.
post #11477 of 13462
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Originally Posted by fcb View Post

Just now reading this month's Consumer Reports, they do NOT recommend professional calibration.
Consumer Reports!!! eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
post #11478 of 13462
Two questions:

Is the correct 3:2 pulldown setting for 1080i "On" no "Auto"?
For 1080p Pure Direct I need to send 1080p/24 4:4:4 from my Blu player, and the setting being "On" beings its processing that directly instead of converting it down to 4:2:2 before processing?

Thanks.
post #11479 of 13462
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Two questions:

Is the correct 3:2 pulldown setting for 1080i "On" no "Auto"?
For 1080p Pure Direct I need to send 1080p/24 4:4:4 from my Blu player, and the setting being "On" beings its processing that directly instead of converting it down to 4:2:2 before processing?

Thanks.
I don't understand your questions. Here is what I use based on the advise from the OPPO thread and UMR (Jeff Meier) when he did our calibration.

Output Resolution: 1080p
1080p24 Output: OFF
Color Space (HDMI1): YCbCr 4:4:4
Color Space (HDMI2): YCbCr 4:4:4
All other Video Settings at default values.

The other OPPO advise from Bob Pariseau is to try different settings and choose the one you like best.
post #11480 of 13462
This has nothing to do with the Oppo.

3:2 pulldown has to do with interlaced input, say like 1080i from CBS. The display comes with "Auto" set, but Cnets review recommends "On". Just wondering if anyone else had any input.

As far the the ycbcr 444 goes, many displays take in a 444 signal and then downsample to 422 before processing. It is my understanding that in pure direct mode, the VT50 accepts the upsampled 444 signal from your player and processes it as 444 instead of downsampling to 422. Ive always found 444 to show less banding than 422, so I always use it. I figure if I understand Pure Direct mode's function, and I'm sending ycbcr 444 out of the player to the VT50, I should have it turned on.

On the 1080p/24 vs 60, I actually like 96hz mode in the VT50 so I leave 1080p/24 out of the player.
post #11481 of 13462
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Originally Posted by Mactavish View Post

Should actually be a separate "After Market Calibration" forum topic for VT50's, as many may not be employing such services currently. Only logical if you follow both threads (owners/setings) as I do, and as of now are not currently interested in "personal" reports on individual calibrations, referrals etc., call them "gloating" if you will, but not all that pertinent to new "owners", that just need some help or feedback regarding the basics. Just my two cents, as I agree with "Bill". Flame on........

One of the differentiating factors of the vt50 from other lesser models is the isf mode feature. Talk of calibrators and there relative ability to utilize this mode are appropriate here. Settings ( like a big list you can plug into custom) belong in the settings thread.
post #11482 of 13462
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Two questions:

Is the correct 3:2 pulldown setting for 1080i "On" no "Auto"?
For 1080p Pure Direct I need to send 1080p/24 4:4:4 from my Blu player, and the setting being "On" beings its processing that directly instead of converting it down to 4:2:2 before processing?

Thanks.

Auto doesn't work right on the vt50 from reading pro reviews. So I believe you have to to turn it to on to get it to actually do its job when appropriate.
post #11483 of 13462
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Originally Posted by fcb View Post

Just now reading this month's Consumer Reports, they do NOT recommend professional calibration.

Yes it's true and I largely agree with them, but only for the majority of people buying a tv (high or low end). However most of us who want and appreciate it are not the majority and probably pay no mind to CR and their advice for the herd.
post #11484 of 13462
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

This has nothing to do with the Oppo.

3:2 pulldown has to do with interlaced input, say like 1080i from CBS. The display comes with "Auto" set, but Cnets review recommends "On". Just wondering if anyone else had any input.

As far the the ycbcr 444 goes, many displays take in a 444 signal and then downsample to 422 before processing. It is my understanding that in pure direct mode, the VT50 accepts the upsampled 444 signal from your player and processes it as 444 instead of downsampling to 422. Ive always found 444 to show less banding than 422, so I always use it. I figure if I understand Pure Direct mode's function, and I'm sending ycbcr 444 out of the player to the VT50, I should have it turned on.

On the 1080p/24 vs 60, I actually like 96hz mode in the VT50 so I leave 1080p/24 out of the player.

You don't need to worry about the 3:2 pull down option at all. Since your using 96hz your bypassing it entirely, and if you were using 60hz then either your blu-ray player or TV is going to perform the 3:2 pull down option automatically. I believe your correct about 4:4:4 though, it should remain unaltered with 24p direct. I'm not sure what you mean when you say you leave 24p out of the player though, that's what you should be setting the player to if you're using 96hz.
post #11485 of 13462
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Originally Posted by fcb View Post

Just now reading this month's Consumer Reports, they do NOT recommend professional calibration.

One can only trust Consumer Reports so far. If one happens to know more than the author of said review, it is not uncommon to realize that the reviewer has overlooked something significant. If professional calibration was not recommended, that speaks for itself, meaning that the author didn't know what the hell he was writing about and didn't research the subject nearly enough. Let's get Consumer Reports to do a test of speaker cables. rolleyes.gif
post #11486 of 13462
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Originally Posted by Mactavish View Post

My original post that you did not quote, had NOTHING to do with "calibrators" or their services. I do not disagree with anything you said, but it has nothing to do with my post at all. It was in response to a post by "billmich" here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/11430#post_23143740

There is no need for another thread devoted to After Market Calibration and the VT50. But you can always start one.
post #11487 of 13462
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Originally Posted by fcb View Post

Just now reading this month's Consumer Reports, they do NOT recommend professional calibration.
Why?
post #11488 of 13462
For me it depends on the display. I just dont see spending the kind of money a VT50 is and then not wanting its full potential.
post #11489 of 13462
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

For me it depends on the display. I just dont see spending the kind of money a VT50 is and then not wanting its full potential.
+1
post #11490 of 13462
From consumer reports.
Not unless Martin Scorsese will be stopping by to watch a movie with you! It’s hard to justify spending one-third to one-quarter of the cost of many TVs on calibration. And most consumers don’t really need it.

New TVs have preset modes that get you close enough to a professional calibration to satisfy even picky viewers. Choose a picture mode such as THX, Movie, or Cinema, turn down sharpness, and turn off noise reduction and “dynamic” control features, and you’ll probably be very happy with the picture quality.

If you want to go further, try the THX Optimizer that comes free with many DVDs and Blu-ray discs, or try a calibration disc from Avia, Video Essentials, or Spears and Munsil.

Having said that, if you’re a perfectionist with an expensive home theater, you might want to consider professional calibration. Be sure it’s done by an industry-certified professional.
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