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post #11491 of 13457
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

From consumer reports.
Not unless Martin Scorsese will be stopping by to watch a movie with you! It’s hard to justify spending one-third to one-quarter of the cost of many TVs on calibration. And most consumers don’t really need it.

New TVs have preset modes that get you close enough to a professional calibration to satisfy even picky viewers. Choose a picture mode such as THX, Movie, or Cinema, turn down sharpness, and turn off noise reduction and “dynamic” control features, and you’ll probably be very happy with the picture quality.

If you want to go further, try the THX Optimizer that comes free with many DVDs and Blu-ray discs, or try a calibration disc from Avia, Video Essentials, or Spears and Munsil.

Having said that, if you’re a perfectionist with an expensive home theater, you might want to consider professional calibration. Be sure it’s done by an industry-certified professional.
I agree completely.
post #11492 of 13457
And we are perfectionists with home theaters biggrin.gif
post #11493 of 13457
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

From consumer reports.
Not unless Martin Scorsese will be stopping by to watch a movie with you! It’s hard to justify spending one-third to one-quarter of the cost of many TVs on calibration. And most consumers don’t really need it.

New TVs have preset modes that get you close enough to a professional calibration to satisfy even picky viewers. Choose a picture mode such as THX, Movie, or Cinema, turn down sharpness, and turn off noise reduction and “dynamic” control features, and you’ll probably be very happy with the picture quality.

If you want to go further, try the THX Optimizer that comes free with many DVDs and Blu-ray discs, or try a calibration disc from Avia, Video Essentials, or Spears and Munsil.

Having said that, if you’re a perfectionist with an expensive home theater, you might want to consider professional calibration. Be sure it’s done by an industry-certified professional.

This is reality. I work with 3 other people with panasonic plasmas. They are all VERY happy with the results they got from borrowing my Disney WOW disc.
post #11494 of 13457
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This is reality. I work with 3 other people with panasonic plasmas. They are all VERY happy with the results they got from borrowing my Disney WOW disc.

Agreed. I'm not sure why the poster made such a blanket statement with little regard to the context. rolleyes.gif
post #11495 of 13457
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

From consumer reports.
" It’s hard to justify spending one-third to one-quarter of the cost of many TVs on calibration. And most consumers don’t really need it."

Their advice seem to be addressed to people buying TVs for under $1,600 if we're talking about a $400 calibration. If you look at the models that AVS members have reported on you'll find that most calibrations are done on high end displays. The Pioneer Kuro sets have by far the most calibrations reported.

Here is a count of calibrations reported for recent Panasonic ST and GT models.

ST30 = 1
ST50 = 1
GT30 = 2
GT50 = 5

The VT models have had many more calibrations reported.

Plasma calibrations outnumber LCD calibrations reported at AVS by a very large number.

CR defined their straw man and then commented on it while neglecting to address the actual population that might value a professional calibration. Even the AVS owners who had their Kuro displays calibrated were probably a small minority of the Kuro owners at AVS.

There is a CR implication that owners might be under some preasure to have their displays calibrated. I can't imagine who is putting that pressure on display buyers. Maybe CR was trying to protect people from paying for BB calibrations on their $750 LCD displays. eek.gif

One caveat is that I can't include calibration reports if I don't know about them. I can only try to keep up with a few of the owners threads for plasma displays. Sometimes people let me know about a calibration report that I would have otherwise miss. smile.gif
Edited by htwaits - 4/1/13 at 11:52am
post #11496 of 13457
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There advice seem to be addressed to people buying TVs for under $1,600 if we're talking about a $400 calibration. If you look at the models that AVS members have reported on you'll find that most calibrations are done on high end displays. The Pioneer Kuro sets have by far the most calibrations reported.

Here is a count of calibrations reported for recent Panasonic ST and GT models.

ST30 = 1
ST50 = 1
GT30 = 2
GT50 = 5

The VT models have had many more calibrations reported.
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Plasma calibrations outnumber LCD calibrations reported at AVS by a very large number.

CR defined their straw man and then commented on it while neglecting to address the actual population that might value a professional calibration. Even the AVS owners who had their Kuro displays calibrated were probably a small minority of the Kuro owners at AVS.

There is a CR implication that owners might be under some preasure to have their displays calibrated. I can't imagine who is putting that pressure on display buyers. Maybe CR was trying to protect people from paying for BB calibrations on their $750 LCD displays. eek.gif

One caveat is that I can't include calibration reports if I don't know about them. I can only try to keep up with a few of the owners threads for plasma displays. Sometimes people let me know about a calibration report that I would have otherwise miss. smile.gif

Hahaha. Thanks for the laugh!
post #11497 of 13457
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post


There is a CR implication that owners might be under some preasure to have their displays calibrated. I can't imagine who is putting that pressure on display buyers. Maybe CR was trying to protect people from paying for BB calibrations on their $750 LCD displays. eek.gif

I frequent the BB forums as well. There have been recommendations for exactly this over there.
post #11498 of 13457
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post


There is a CR implication that owners might be under some preasure to have their displays calibrated. I can't imagine who is putting that pressure on display buyers. Maybe CR was trying to protect people from paying for BB calibrations on their $750 LCD displays. eek.gif

I frequent the BB forums as well. There have been recommendations for exactly this over there.
If someone pays $750 to $1,000 for a TV and then contemplates a BB calibration at $250, I would certainly recommend CR's advise to them. We had a 16 person family dinner here today. One of our guests was very happy with a recent Samsung LED/LCD TV (an end of the model year purchase for $800).

There's no way I would recommend a professional calibration to someone in that situation. A few years ago I invited someone to attend UMR's first calibration here, and someone else came the next day to see the results. They were both members here at AVS. UMR didn't make a sales pitch and neither did I. From what I've observed, that's typical of the professionals who are known at AVS.
post #11499 of 13457
I wish I could view two identical VT50's, one calibrated, and the other with good settings, or THX. Just curious if I would see a $400 difference.
post #11500 of 13457
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There advice seem to be addressed to people buying TVs for under $1,600 if we're talking about a $400 calibration. If you look at the models that AVS members have reported on you'll find that most calibrations are done on high end displays. The Pioneer Kuro sets have by far the most calibrations reported.
Im not sure how you managed to make that look like my post but I never posted that. Please edit my name out of that post.
post #11501 of 13457
For you guys that want to compare your TV and its settings to good screen shots of a lot of movies, you may want to try cinemasquid. They have about 742 different movies with about 30 screen shots per movie. Of-course the accuracy of the color depends on your computers display, but non the less you should get a good idea of what it looks like.

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post #11502 of 13457
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Why?

Too much money, not enough improvement.
post #11503 of 13457
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Originally Posted by Hi Deaf View Post

I wish I could view two identical VT50's, one calibrated, and the other with good settings, or THX. Just curious if I would see a $400 difference.

It's all subjective imo, how would you quantify $400 dollars worth of difference. To me it is worth it but that is an individual choice and I am certainly not pushing calibration. Many here are more than satisfied with presets or basic calibration from a disc and that is great truly smile.gif For me it is piece of mind knowing what is being displayed is truly accurate and as close to accurate as it can get, if I see issues I am content in knowing it is the source. IMO for the VT50 is is more than worth the cost but that is just me.
post #11504 of 13457
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Originally Posted by Hi Deaf View Post

I wish I could view two identical VT50's, one calibrated, and the other with good settings, or THX. Just curious if I would see a $400 difference.

The user can go back via the menu to the original settings or self modified settings on the same display. Your question assumes that two identical VT50's are the same - they probably aren't which is one reason for a professional calibration. Whether or not it is worth $400 is up to you.
post #11505 of 13457
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It's all subjective imo, how would you quantify $400 dollars worth of difference. To me it is worth it but that is an individual choice and I am certainly not pushing calibration. Many here are more than satisfied with presets or basic calibration from a disc and that is great truly smile.gif For me it is piece of mind knowing what is being displayed is truly accurate and as close to accurate as it can get, if I see issues I am content in knowing it is the source. IMO for the VT50 is is more than worth the cost but that is just me.

Chad B is going to calibrate my VT50. I have one of the best flat panel TVs ever made. Why wouldn't I want to make sure I am getting the best picture possible? To look at the picture and wonder if it could be better doesn't make sense to me.

I had a Mits 55907 that I had calibrated twice. There was a noticable improvement in the picture. Of course that TV was known for having a red push which was corrected with the calibration. The picture popped and it wasn't all due to the color correction.

Hoping for a similar result from this calibration.
post #11506 of 13457
Well, I missed my opportunity to pick up the Xband glasses for $30. Have you guys had a chance to play with them yet? How do they compare to the official Panasonic ones? 3D is not a HUGe deal to me, so I wasen't in a hurry to grab them.
post #11507 of 13457
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Originally Posted by NickBaragona View Post

Well, I missed my opportunity to pick up the Xband glasses for $30. Have you guys had a chance to play with them yet? How do they compare to the official Panasonic ones? 3D is not a HUGe deal to me, so I wasen't in a hurry to grab them.
I picked up a pair. They work as well as the Pannys.
post #11508 of 13457
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Their advice seem to be addressed to people buying TVs for under $1,600 if we're talking about a $400 calibration. If you look at the models that AVS members have reported on you'll find that most calibrations are done on high end displays. The Pioneer Kuro sets have by far the most calibrations reported.
Im not sure how you managed to make that look like my post but I never posted that. Please edit my name out of that post.
Thanks for the heads up. It was bad editing of the HTML. It's been corrected, including the wrong word -- there for their. smile.gif
post #11509 of 13457
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Originally Posted by Hi Deaf View Post

I wish I could view two identical VT50's, one calibrated, and the other with good settings, or THX. Just curious if I would see a $400 difference.
Most people who report their calibrations here at AVS compare sets with "good settings" to the final results obtained by the professional calibrator. Of course it isn't a side by side comparison, or an objective comparison. Their comments tend be be positive about the differences. For me it was better skin tones and a sense of depth that was missing before calibration. I have no way to explain what "a sense of depth" might actually mean. rolleyes.gif

EDIT: Seeing more fine detail is mentioned a lot too.
post #11510 of 13457
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Thanks for the heads up. It was bad editing of the HTML. It's been corrected, including the wrong word -- there for their. smile.gif
Thank you. smile.gif
post #11511 of 13457
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Originally Posted by NickBaragona View Post

Well, I missed my opportunity to pick up the Xband glasses for $30. Have you guys had a chance to play with them yet? How do they compare to the official Panasonic ones? 3D is not a HUGe deal to me, so I wasen't in a hurry to grab them.

I posted some detail about them in the 3D glasses thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409490/panasonic-2012-compatible-3d-glasses-thread/180#post_23109095

They are still available from Paul's TV site directly. Just not on Amazon right now. I can't recommend them enough--a true bargain for the price.
post #11512 of 13457
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Originally Posted by Hi Deaf View Post

I wish I could view two identical VT50's, one calibrated, and the other with good settings, or THX. Just curious if I would see a $400 difference.

Its easy for me to tell how sickly red THX Cinema is out of the box, and its too dim and all thats without a meter. If you get used to a proper image, it aint easy to miss the flaws. Im a big movie buff, and at the end of the day, I just want to know Im watching a blu-ray with the Directors intended look, whether it be grainy, teal or orange tinted. I dont sweat broadcast HD much becuase it varies by shooting style and HD compression issues.

If I really wanna puke, I just switch from THX Cinema to Game mode. Ive got over 200 hours on my VT50 now and am super excited the calibrator will be here on the 8th!
post #11513 of 13457
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

From consumer reports.
Not unless Martin Scorsese will be stopping by to watch a movie with you! It’s hard to justify spending one-third to one-quarter of the cost of many TVs on calibration.
For a $600 TV, I definitely agree that $200-400 on an ISF calibration is a waste of money. You'd be much better off buying a better TV in the first place, considering the cheaper TV might not have enough adjustments available even to a tech.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Their advice seem to be addressed to people buying TVs for under $1,600 if we're talking about a $400 calibration.
In the same way, most TVs that costs $1500 or so with a $400 calibration still probably wouldn't look as good as a 55" VT50 with some of the custom settings here, and would basically cost the same.

For the price of the 65" VT50, though, a calibration isn't a lot of extra money (as a percentage), and it can make it a reference display. If you felt you need a 70" or larger display, then $400 for calibration would be a lot cheaper than buying the top of the line in that size range.
post #11514 of 13457
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Originally Posted by nabsltd View Post

For a $600 TV, I definitely agree that $200-400 on an ISF calibration is a waste of money. You'd be much better off buying a better TV in the first place, considering the cheaper TV might not have enough adjustments available even to a tech.
In the same way, most TVs that costs $1500 or so with a $400 calibration still probably wouldn't look as good as a 55" VT50 with some of the custom settings here, and would basically cost the same.

For the price of the 65" VT50, though, a calibration isn't a lot of extra money (as a percentage), and it can make it a reference display. If you felt you need a 70" or larger display, then $400 for calibration would be a lot cheaper than buying the top of the line in that size range.

I agree if the controls arent there it surely isnt worth it. Thats why I bought my own meter and software for $600. I keep this recertified for my cheap tv's and other folks who want me to help. If someone buys an insignia LCD, I just take over Spears and Munsil, WOW and DVE an set the tv and player up as best as possible. I still pay Gregg for my main display work, as Im anal and want to know its at peak performance. We watch around 2500 hours a year, so $500 up front and $200 for returns is minor to me.
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Another thing to note about the VT50, if you are trying to like 3D (like me), the calibration control gives you as good a shot as you can at enjoying it smile.gif
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I think that a professionally calibrated ST would look better than a VT with some of the custom settings here. imo But maybe not by much. And some people got their VTs pretty cheap recently.
post #11517 of 13457
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Another thing to note about the VT50, if you are trying to like 3D (like me), the calibration control gives you as good a shot as you can at enjoying it smile.gif

I found that I had to stray from any type of calibrated results to enjoy 3D, but maybe that's just me.
post #11518 of 13457
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

I found that I had to stray from any type of calibrated results to enjoy 3D, but maybe that's just me.

I may have to admit to myself that I dont like 3D, so far I have not. I figure if Pi and Hobbit on a calibrated VT50 dont do it, nothing will smile.gif.
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I may have to admit to myself that I dont like 3D, so far I have not. I figure if Pi and Hobbit on a calibrated VT50 dont do it, nothing will smile.gif.

I don't mean to speak hypocrisy, but I don't understand most of the calibrated 3D settings I have looked up. I'm only talking about using other people's settings though, not having mine calibrated. Since the glasses make the image 50% darker I don't see why that isn't taken more into account. High panel brightness seems mandatory, as does using max AGC settings and increased gamma. I haven't seen any of those settings listed however.
post #11520 of 13457
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Originally Posted by nabsltd View Post

For a $600 TV, I definitely agree that $200-400 on an ISF calibration is a waste of money. You'd be much better off buying a better TV in the first place, considering the cheaper TV might not have enough adjustments available even to a tech.
In the same way, most TVs that costs $1500 or so with a $400 calibration still probably wouldn't look as good as a 55" VT50 with some of the custom settings here, and would basically cost the same.

For the price of the 65" VT50, though, a calibration isn't a lot of extra money (as a percentage), and it can make it a reference display. If you felt you need a 70" or larger display, then $400 for calibration would be a lot cheaper than buying the top of the line in that size range.


Well said smile.gif
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