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I do NOT want any control of any source components

Just my panny tv and my yammy receiver
post #11582 of 13474
What about my problem where the TV just loses the connection in the middle of a show.HOw the hell does that happen. And I dont get just a blank screen. I get a screen full of old fashioned analog TV style static on my HDMI port 1. It happened twice in 2 months as I mentioned earlier.

The more I think about it, it can't be a handshake issue in my case even though the only way to restore everything is to power the TV down and restart it including removing the cable and attaching it agian.
post #11583 of 13474
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Originally Posted by mantar View Post

What about my problem where the TV just loses the connection in the middle of a show.HOw the hell does that happen. And I dont get just a blank screen. I get a screen full of old fashioned analog TV style static on my HDMI port 1. It happened twice in 2 months as I mentioned earlier.

The more I think about it, it can't be a handshake issue in my case even though the only way to restore everything is to power the TV down and restart it including removing the cable and attaching it agian.

I had a bad hdmi cable that did this. Every few hours I'd have to replug it in to fix it. New cable time wink.gif
post #11584 of 13474
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Originally Posted by mantar View Post

What about my problem where the TV just loses the connection in the middle of a show.HOw the hell does that happen. And I dont get just a blank screen. I get a screen full of old fashioned analog TV style static on my HDMI port 1. It happened twice in 2 months as I mentioned earlier.

The more I think about it, it can't be a handshake issue in my case even though the only way to restore everything is to power the TV down and restart it including removing the cable and attaching it agian.
Your fix is forcing a new handshake. I don't know what your actual problem is, but I would start by investigating your HDMI connections and cables. If you have HDMI cables that are either heavy or stiff, or both, then the strain on those connections could be causing your problem. Having the problem show up twice in two months makes it hard to test.

For better HDMI connections you might want to look into these Redmere cables. Keep in mind that a HDMI problem can be caused anywhere in the signal path from the source to the display. It's also a good idea to stick with 6' or longer HDMI cables.

Redmere at Monoprice

Here is some additional information about HDMI cables.
post #11585 of 13474
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Your fix is forcing a new handshake. I don't know what your actual problem is, but I would start by investigating your HDMI connections and cables. If you have HDMI cables that are either heavy or stiff, or both, then the strain on those connections could be causing your problem. Having the problem show up twice in two months makes it hard to test.

For better HDMI connections you might want to look into these Redmere cables. Keep in mind that a HDMI problem can be caused anywhere in the signal path from the source to the display. It's also a good idea to stick with 6' or longer HDMI cables.

Redmere at Monoprice

Here is some additional information about HDMI cables.
Why is it best to stick with 6' or longer? I dont doubt you but I think thats the first Ive heard that.
post #11586 of 13474
Does anyone know if it is safe to use a square wave Square ware UPS with these monitors?
post #11587 of 13474
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Your fix is forcing a new handshake. I don't know what your actual problem is, but I would start by investigating your HDMI connections and cables. If you have HDMI cables that are either heavy or stiff, or both, then the strain on those connections could be causing your problem. Having the problem show up twice in two months makes it hard to test.

For better HDMI connections you might want to look into these Redmere cables. Keep in mind that a HDMI problem can be caused anywhere in the signal path from the source to the display. It's also a good idea to stick with 6' or longer HDMI cables.

Redmere at Monoprice

Here is some additional information about HDMI cables.
Why is it best to stick with 6' or longer? I dont doubt you but I think thats the first Ive heard that.
I'm using two 1.5' and one 3' Monoprice cables that haven't caused any problem. So we're talking about potential problems. If I reconfigure for any reason, I'll switch to 6' Redmere cables to avoid potential problems, and at the same time to put less stress on my HDMI connections due to stiff heavy cables. There is certainly no reason to change a setup that doesn't have handshake or other known HDMI problems.

This is how Bob Pariseau explains it. In my last five years of reading his posts, I can think of only one time that he was correctly corrected. biggrin.gif

Bob on HDMI cable length.
post #11588 of 13474
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Does anyone know if it is safe to use a square wave Square ware UPS with these monitors?
I know that sign wave is recommended. I wouldn't use a square wave UPS for more than a quick shut down. I would probably contact the related manufacturers before I tried it. The most important reasons for being able to do an organized shut down after power failure would be to protect the lamp in a front projector or any other 'tube' related equipment.

Enough sign wave UPS power to finish a movie would be expensive. wink.gif
post #11589 of 13474
I'm using 10 Redmere HDMI cables here, half of them are 3 footers, and NO issues at all. Only time they don't work, is if daisy chained to a NON-powered switch, so in that case I've stuck with a "normal" 3 foot HDMI cable to the switch itself, and then back to the Redmeres to complete the path.

We have an entire thread dedicated to Redmere cables here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1417609/monoprice-redmere-hdmi-cables
post #11590 of 13474
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'm using two 1.5' and one 3' Monoprice cables that haven't caused any problem. So we're talking about potential problems. If I reconfigure for any reason, I'll switch to 6' Redmere cables to avoid potential problems, and at the same time to put less stress on my HDMI connections due to stiff heavy cables. There is certainly no reason to change a setup that doesn't have handshake or other known HDMI problems.

This is how Bob Pariseau explains it. In my last five years of reading his posts, I can think of only one time that he was correctly corrected. biggrin.gif

Bob on HDMI cable length.
I see. Thats assuming the cable has a chip. Many dont.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

This is how Bob Pariseau explains it. In my last five years of reading his posts, I can think of only one time that he was correctly corrected. biggrin.gif

Bob on HDMI cable length.
I see. Thats assuming the cable has a chip. Many dont.
At each end of a HDMI cable there is a device. The chips Bob is referring to are in the devices. They are also the chips that determine the version of HDMI that connects the devices.
post #11592 of 13474
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

At each end of a HDMI cable there is a device. The chips Bob is referring to are in the devices. They are also the chips that determine the version of HDMI that connects the devices.
OK. I am confused and it really doesnt matter but I thought that only some of these newer HDMI cables had a chip in them. So I guess youre saying that all HDMI cables have a chip in them.
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I've got a 65 pre ordered and I'm first in line, will post my thoughts and pictures as soon as I can.17.jpg18.jpg19.jpg20.jpg
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I've got a 65 pre ordered and I'm first in line, will post my thoughts and pictures as soon as I can.17.jpg18.jpg19.jpg20.jpg
I assume youre talking about a 2013. Your thoughts will be in high demand. smile.gif
post #11595 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

At each end of a HDMI cable there is a device. The chips Bob is referring to are in the devices. They are also the chips that determine the version of HDMI that connects the devices.
OK. I am confused and it really doesnt matter but I thought that only some of these newer HDMI cables had a chip in them. So I guess youre saying that all HDMI cables have a chip in them.
The chips in question are on the input boards of the TV, AVR, Blu-ray player, and other devices that have HDMI ports. They are not in the cable. There might be some exotic cables that I don't know about with built in chips to amplify the signal, but that's not what Bob was describing.
Edited by htwaits - 4/6/13 at 8:56pm
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The chips in question are on the input boards of the TV, AVR, Blu-ray player, and other devices that have HDMI ports. They are not in the cable. There might be some exotic cables that I don't know about with built in chips to amplify the signal, but that's not what Bob was describing.
OK. Thats why I was getting so confused. I didnt know about the chips in the devices. I was thinking about some of these newer HDMI cables with integrated chips designed for longer lengths. Very confusing. Anyway, this is an example of what I was thinking of.

http://www.mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=3738
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

The chips in question are on the input boards of the TV, AVR, Blu-ray player, and other devices that have HDMI ports. They are not in the cable. There might be some exotic cables that I don't know about with built in chips to amplify the signal, but that's not what Bob was describing.
OK. Thats why I was getting so confused. I didnt know about the chips in the devices. I was thinking about some of these newer HDMI cables with integrated chips designed for longer lengths. Very confusing. Anyway, this is an example of what I was thinking of.

http://www.mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=3738
I don't know exactly what that Redmere cable uses the chip for. Fifteen feet isn't especially long. I'll look into it tomorrow. It's time to watch a movie now.

The Redmere Ultra Slim cables at Monoprice are much slimmer, don't have a chip, and a 15' cable goes for about $21.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

OK. Thats why I was getting so confused. I didnt know about the chips in the devices. I was thinking about some of these newer HDMI cables with integrated chips designed for longer lengths. Very confusing. Anyway, this is an example of what I was thinking of.

http://www.mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=3738

I'm not a big fan of braided cables. They're heavier and less flexible than the Monoprice Redmere cables that htwaits linked to, putting more strain on your HDMI ports. I like nice thin cables that you can easily tie together and run in a tray.
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I don't know exactly what that Redmere cable uses the chip for. Fifteen feet isn't especially long. I'll look into it tomorrow. It's time to watch a movie now.

The Redmere Ultra Slim cables at Monoprice are much slimmer, don't have a chip, and a 15' cable goes for about $21.
I dont use those cables. It was just an example of what I thought you were talking about when we were discussing "chips" and HDMI cables.
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I'm not a big fan of braided cables. They're heavier and less flexible than the Monoprice Redmere cables that htwaits linked to, putting more strain on your HDMI ports. I like nice thin cables that you can easily tie together and run in a tray.
I agree. But a heavily insulated cable can be necessary sometimes in certain applications.
post #11601 of 13474
Hello everyone,
i started to use the Viera remote2 app on iphone, and it works nice as a remote and also bradcasting DTV on mt iphone remotely.
The only function i cannot understand is to turn on (power on) the TV from the iphone; i can switch it off, but then it seems like the TV shut off also the network card.
Is there any workaround ?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I don't know exactly what that Redmere cable uses the chip for. Fifteen feet isn't especially long. I'll look into it tomorrow. It's time to watch a movie now.

The Redmere Ultra Slim cables at Monoprice are much slimmer, don't have a chip, and a 15' cable goes for about $21.

The Redmere Ultra Slim cables DO have a CHIP in them.

FROM THE MONOPRICE PAGE:

Normally a cable of this length would require minimum 28 AWG conductors to support High Speed HDMI features, but the RedMere chip in this cable allows it to support all High Speed HDMI features with only 36 AWG conductors. The connector heads measure a mere 5/8" wide and 1/4" thick. The connector head at the source is only 9/16" long, while the connector head at the sink (TV), which houses the RedMere chip, is only 13/16" long.

Note that HDMI Cables with RedMere are directional. One end must be connected to the source device (e.g., blu-ray player) and the other end to the sink/display (e.g., HDTV). Hooking them up backwards will not damage anything, they just won't transmit a signal. Also note that these cables are fully compatible with switches, splitters, matrix devices, etc. They can be used in any application in which a normal HDMI cable can be used and many applications where HDMI extenders would otherwise be required!

Monoprice HDMI Cables with RedMere include several features that separate them from other cables with RedMere. The connector heads are fully shielded with zinc alloy, which helps prevent RFI and EMI from interfering with your HDMI signal. They also have the highest rated pull force of all HDMI Cables with RedMere, which means you won't accidentally pull the cable head off by tugging on the cable instead of the connector. The tooled polycarbonate connector heads are the smallest HDMI connectors available, which means they can fit in tight spaces, such as on an Xbox 360 Slim with an analog audio cable installed. They also present a cleaner and neater appearance than ordinary injection molded connector heads. Finally, the Thermoplastic Elastomer (TPE) jacket is able to withstand more abuse than ordinary ABS or PVC jackets, which means your cable will last much longer in a heavy use environment than otherwise.
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Originally Posted by powerdrome View Post

Hello everyone,
i started to use the Viera remote2 app on iphone, and it works nice as a remote and also bradcasting DTV on mt iphone remotely.
The only function i cannot understand is to turn on (power on) the TV from the iphone; i can switch it off, but then it seems like the TV shut off also the network card.
Is there any workaround ?

Thanks

If your VT50 is connected via hardwired Ethernet, as mine is, AND you have a home wireless "same" network, then the "ON" function will work, if not, then when the display is "off", it cannot see only the wireless network, and so you can turn off the display, but cannot turn it on via the Viera Remote 2 app. Logical.

Discussed here as well:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/11250#post_23113984
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Originally Posted by Mactavish View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I don't know exactly what that Redmere cable uses the chip for. Fifteen feet isn't especially long. I'll look into it tomorrow. It's time to watch a movie now.

The Redmere Ultra Slim cables at Monoprice are much slimmer, don't have a chip, and a 15' cable goes for about $21.

The Redmere Ultra Slim cables DO have a CHIP in them.
Thanks for the information. Now I'm wondering if the 6' advise applies to Redmere technology HDMI cables.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for the information. Now I'm wondering if the 6' advise applies to Redmere technology HDMI cables.

I doubt it, they have been on the market for over a year now, I think the product would have been pulled or at the least we would have heard negative reports. As I stated above, half of my Redmere cables are 3 footers and work fine.
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Originally Posted by Mactavish View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for the information. Now I'm wondering if the 6' advise applies to Redmere technology HDMI cables.

I doubt it, they have been on the market for over a year now, I think the product would have been pulled or at the least we would have heard negative reports. As I stated above, half of my Redmere cables are 3 footers and work fine.
All my HDMI cables are 28 AWG and all but one are short -- two are 1.5'. They have never caused a problem. Maybe I have a lucky combination of components.

When I first read about the length recommendation it was at Monoprice and they recommended 24 AWG at at least six feet. That's very stiff and heavy.

You're right about not seeing any HDMI problem reports from Redmere Ultra Thin cables. There should have been some handshake problems by now.
Edited by htwaits - 4/7/13 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

All my HDMI cables are 28 AWG and all but one are short -- two are 1.5'. They have never caused a problem. Maye I have a lucky combination of components.

When I first read about the length recommendation it was at Monoprice and they recommended 24 AWG at at least six feet. That's very stiff and heavy.

You're right about not seeing any HDMI problem reports from Redmere Ultra Thin cables. There should have been some handshake problems by now.

Maybe they are just waiting for you to start causing problems wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #11608 of 13474
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Maybe they are just waiting for you to start causing problems wink.gifbiggrin.gif
We had a house that did that between the time we sold it and before escrow closed. eek.gif
post #11609 of 13474
Just wanted to pass along some things I discovered today, in case it helps anyone. I went on a quest to extensively test my Oppo 103 and VT50 with tests discs (DVE, WOW and Spears) to find what I felt where the best settings.

On 24hz, 60 vs 96 - I personally found it best to set the Oppo to output 1080p/60 and not have the display do anything. 60hz mode on the display has a lot of artifacts on the wedge test, and then 96hz mode was second to my eyes, and with 60hz from the Oppo winning out. Ill stick with that from now on.

Pure Direct and Color Space - I found the VT50 to do poorly with the a ycbcr 422 input, compared to a 444 input. Pure direct further improved the test results with 444 in, so I will send the VT50 1080p/60 ycbcr 444, with Pure Direct On.
post #11610 of 13474
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We had a house that did that between the time we sold it and before escrow closed. eek.gif

They always seem to wait for the "perfect" time for everything to start blowing up......In my old house, the furnace failed during winter AND while I was away on a business trip.....5K later and a new furnace was installed....I feel your pain.....
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