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Originally Posted by stash64 View Post

My Marantz was good... it is in pass thru. My Panny BD player did have "Chroma Processing" set to Normal and "Deep Color" set to Auto. Both settings are only active when in playback. I turned both off. I will try to check my settings again this upcoming weekend.

I agree that contrast is a little tough to judge and the way plasma light output changes (significantly) with window size makes it even more difficult. I've settled on 90 and may go higher, until and unless I see any negative side effects.

My contrast is at 100 in ISF Day mode, white clips at about 244
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Anyone in the Chicago land area looking for a 65VT50, check out the classified section on AVS for my sale.
post #12063 of 13486
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

I responded to another thread in regards to an issue that I've had with my set, I might as well bring it up here as well.
I'm noticing during hockey games on the right and left edges in the middle there's sort of a yellowish blob on the white ice and I have no idea if this is some sort of image retention or if my sets is not calibrated properly what on earth might be going on?

I did a search on this thread for yellow blob and other combinations but had no success so I thought I would bring it up to the general people here that are still following this thread

I really only notice it during hockey games because of the very white background

any help would be certainly appreciated, thank you very much

Bill

Link to thread I reference: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1448896/vt50-yellow-ish-blob-on-display
I had the exact same issue with my VT50. I called Panasonic customer service and told them exactly what I was seeing and that it was an issue on all types of content. I also took pictures. Panasonic scheduled for someone to come out and take a look at the problem. The tech guy immediately knew that this was an issue and that the panel had to be replaced. Less than 2 weeks later the replacement panel was in and the guys came back to replace the panel in home. It looks perfect now and havent had a problem since.
post #12064 of 13486
Panel needs to be replaced meaning that you basically get a brand new set?
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"This plasma picture finally challenges Kuro"
(Panasonic TC-PVT60 series review: CNET)

"Black level: While the Kuro stood out in 2007, Panasonic has been slowly catching up every year, and this year has finally surpassed the black levels of the 50-inch Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD plasma we've kept as a reference ever since."

"When surveying a dark room of full of piled-up furniture, the (Ch 14, 57:29) the VT50 and VT60 illuminated similar amounts of shadow detail, while the 60 had a touch more pop due to its deeper black levels. Compared to the Kuro the VT60 was able to illuminate just a little more detail while keeping black "black."

"During the end of my testing process our 60-inch ZT60 review sample arrived, and I couldn't pass up the opportunity. Based on early comparisons, before the ZT60 was aged the requisite 100+ hours, the two panels appeared very similar when both were set to THX Cinema mode. Black levels were almost identical, with the VT60 surprisingly having a slight edge. I'll reserve judgment until we can run our full suite of tests on the ZT60, including aging and calibration, but based on this initial look, the VT60 could turn out to be just as good as its "beyond the reference" brother. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55vt60/4505-6482_7-35567332-2.html
post #12066 of 13486
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

"This plasma picture finally challenges Kuro"
(Panasonic TC-PVT60 series review: CNET)

"Black level: While the Kuro stood out in 2007, Panasonic has been slowly catching up every year, and this year has finally surpassed the black levels of the 50-inch Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD plasma we've kept as a reference ever since."

"When surveying a dark room of full of piled-up furniture, the (Ch 14, 57:29) the VT50 and VT60 illuminated similar amounts of shadow detail, while the 60 had a touch more pop due to its deeper black levels. Compared to the Kuro the VT60 was able to illuminate just a little more detail while keeping black "black."

"During the end of my testing process our 60-inch ZT60 review sample arrived, and I couldn't pass up the opportunity. Based on early comparisons, before the ZT60 was aged the requisite 100+ hours, the two panels appeared very similar when both were set to THX Cinema mode. Black levels were almost identical, with the VT60 surprisingly having a slight edge. I'll reserve judgment until we can run our full suite of tests on the ZT60, including aging and calibration, but based on this initial look, the VT60 could turn out to be just as good as its "beyond the reference" brother. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55vt60/4505-6482_7-35567332-2.html

What's your point ?
post #12067 of 13486
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

Panel needs to be replaced meaning that you basically get a brand new set?
Basically - but it isn't a complete replacement. It was a pretty easy process for me.
post #12068 of 13486
Called Panasonic about my dead pixel and they have a tech coming out next Tues. the 15th. The CSR I spoke to asked what I wanted, I told him that I wanted it fixed or replaced. We'll see what happens.
post #12069 of 13486
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

What's your point ?

I think LBJ2 is talking about the black levels on the new 2013 Panny plasma's.

That being the case then there would be no point in buying a used Kuro.

ss
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I cannot wirelessly connect my vt50 or my gt50 to my router... I know my wep key by heart, and over the yrs, not a single component has failed to connect. Is there any trick to
it on the tvs end? Thanks
post #12071 of 13486
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I cannot wirelessly connect my vt50 or my gt50 to my router... I know my wep key by heart, and over the yrs, not a single component has failed to connect. Is there any trick to it on the tvs end? Thanks
Whenever I make the first attempts to connect a new device to my wireless network, I temporarily disable the security encryption, so as to remove any obstacles in the connection path. Once I'm satisfied that the new device is fully connected and intergrated into my network, then I enable the encryption and re-try making the connection. Also, I believe a WEP key is case sensitive, and most of the time I have to use the WEP full hex code vs the passphrase to get the connection.
post #12072 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Tony1 View Post

I cannot wirelessly connect my vt50 or my gt50 to my router... I know my wep key by heart, and over the yrs, not a single component has failed to connect. Is there any trick to
it on the tvs end? Thanks


If removing the security doesn't help, give they router a kick in the a$$ by setting it back to day one with a hard reset. Based on the make of your router this procedure varies and is easily google'd for an answer. Had a laptop that wasn't playing nice for a customer of mine a few months back and had to do this.

Good luck!

B
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Seems Sony may be getting close to releasing extended color gamut Blu-Ray movies calling them "MASTERED IN 4K" BLU-RAY( even though they will not be true 4K resolution Blu-rays just wider color gamut and higher bit rates ) . Anyone know if our VT50's supports x.v.Color or ( or expanded YCC) I cant seem to find any info on this for the VT50. I know my PS3 will support x.v.YCC--just curious if the Panny can as well.
Edited by LBJ2 - 5/11/13 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Seems Sony may be getting close to releasing extended color gamut Blu-Ray movies calling them "MASTERED IN 4K" BLU-RAY( even though they will not be true 4K resolution Blu-rays) . Anyone know if our VT50's supports x.v.Color or ( or expanded YCC) I cant seem to find any info on this for the VT50. I know my PS3 will support x.v.YCC--just curious if the Panny can as well.

Some of the Sony titles are now available.
post #12075 of 13486
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Seems Sony may be getting close to releasing extended color gamut Blu-Ray movies calling them "MASTERED IN 4K" BLU-RAY( even though they will not be true 4K resolution Blu-rays) . Anyone know if our VT50's supports x.v.Color or ( or expanded YCC) I cant seem to find any info on this for the VT50. I know my PS3 will support x.v.YCC--just curious if the Panny can as well.

Some of the Sony titles are now available.

I see this classic coming soon from Amazon: Ghostbusters (Mastered in 4K) (Single-Disc Blu-ray + Ultra Violet Digital Copy) (1984)
http://www.amazon.com/Ghostbusters-Mastered-Single-Disc-Blu-ray-Digital/dp/B00BPA2PBG


"The Blu-ray "Mastered in 4K" collection will set a new standard for Blu-ray HD picture and sound, creating the ultimate 1080p home entertainment experience. Created from the highest quality 4K source materials with new expanded color*, consumers can enjoy a brilliant picture with exquisite detail using their existing Blu-ray player or PlayStationr3. The Blu-ray "Mastered in 4K" collection is optimized so that 4K Ultra HD TV owners can take full advantage of the new 4K upscaling technology, delivering an outstanding near-4K experience. "Mastered in 4K" Blu-rays also work with all 1080p HDTVs for spectacular high definition picture and sound."
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I see ColorSpace setting on the VT50 "Normal" = Rec. 709. Wondering if ColorSpace "Wide" = x.v.Color/expanded YCC
Edited by LBJ2 - 5/11/13 at 10:30am
post #12077 of 13486
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

I see ColorSpace setting on the VT50 "Normal" = Rec. 709. Wondering if ColorSpace "Wide" = x.v.Color/expanded YCC

Not sure about the terminology but it is a wider color gamut, in talking to Chad when he did my VT50 he didn't think it was necessary to use on the VT50. Are you going to do a cal with the wide setting ? Would be interested in seeing it if so
Edited by chunon - 5/11/13 at 11:39am
post #12078 of 13486
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Not sure about the terminology but it is a wider color gamut, in talking to Chad when he did my VT50 he didn't thing it was necessary to use on the VT50. Are you going to do a cal with the wide setting ? Would be interested in seeing it if so
Chad calibrates sometimes with Wide but you have to start out that way of course. He said he could do my ST50 either way but he was more used to using Normal.
post #12079 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Chad calibrates sometimes with Wide but you have to start out that way of course. He said he could do my ST50 either way but he was more used to using Normal.

Yes I know he does but hasn't done a VT50 that way to my knowledge, the wide setting is used to bring out some things that can't be done on a set with no cms
post #12080 of 13486
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Yes I know he does but hasn't done a VT50 that way to my knowledge, the wide setting is used to bring out some things that can't be done on a set with no cms
Understood.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

I see ColorSpace setting on the VT50 "Normal" = Rec. 709. Wondering if ColorSpace "Wide" = x.v.Color/expanded YCC

Not sure about the terminology but it is a wider color gamut, in talking to Chad when he did my VT50 he didn't think it was necessary to use on the VT50. Are you going to do a cal with the wide setting ? Would be interested in seeing it if so

Thank you chunon. Im trying to determine if our VT50's are capable of displaying the x.v.Color/expanded YCC color format used in the new Sony "Mastered in 4K Blu-rays" are coming out. ( or in some cases already out). The requirement for these new blu-rays is a x.v.Color/expanded YCC capable player, HDMI Cable, and Display.
post #12082 of 13486
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Thank you chunon. Im trying to determine if our VT50's are capable of displaying the x.v.Color/expanded YCC color format used in the new Sony "Mastered in 4K Blu-rays" are coming out. ( or in some cases already out). The requirement for these new blu-rays is a x.v.Color/expanded YCC capable player, HDMI Cable, and Display.

You will probably get a quicker answer over in the calibration forum I am sure Sotti or someone else could weigh in, I'd be curious let us know what you find out
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Sony calls this "Triluminos" but it's essentially a wider color gamut function( with some cool nanocrystal technology). "...one thing will change and that is the color gamut that will be expanded from Rec.709 to x.v.Color. x.v.Color can provide more intense reds – such as Coca Cola red – and more intense greens in movies. We saw it demonstrated in Hollywood and the difference is noticeable during some scenes."

See this article for a good illustration .
flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1368009902

Hoping this is what the "wide" Colorspace setting is on our VT50's.
Edited by LBJ2 - 5/11/13 at 12:06pm
post #12084 of 13486
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Thank you chunon. Im trying to determine if our VT50's are capable of displaying the x.v.Color/expanded YCC color format used in the new Sony "Mastered in 4K Blu-rays" are coming out. ( or in some cases already out). The requirement for these new blu-rays is a x.v.Color/expanded YCC capable player, HDMI Cable, and Display.

To my understanding the answer is no. Only the X900 models which use Sony's quantum dots technology and the VT & ZT60 are capable of displaying the expanded color gamut. (and what was mentioned in the Shootout I believe was that the ZT & VT are capable of displaying up to 98% of the extended gamut)
Edited by hoozthatat - 5/11/13 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Thank you chunon. Im trying to determine if our VT50's are capable of displaying the x.v.Color/expanded YCC color format used in the new Sony "Mastered in 4K Blu-rays" are coming out. ( or in some cases already out). The requirement for these new blu-rays is a x.v.Color/expanded YCC capable player, HDMI Cable, and Display.

To my understanding the answer is no. Only the X900 models which use Sony's quantum dots technology and the VT & ZT60 are capable of displaying the expanded color gamut. (and what was mentioned in the Shootout I believe was that the ZT & VT are capable of displaying up to 98% of the extended gamut)

Yes, I remember the discussion at the shootout last night about DCI (Digital Cinema Initiatives) and expanded color gamut and 98% color space for as you said both VT&ZT60 ( I think Kevin Miller was speaking about this). So you may be right about the VT50...

The best I can find so far referencing "wide" color space might be this Wiki "Wide-gamut RGB color space" definition which describes "...the wide-gamut RGB color space encompasses 77.6% of the visible colors..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide-gamut_RGB_color_space

Not sure if this is what Panasonic had in mind for the VT50 "wide" color space setting or not.
post #12086 of 13486
Hello guys:
I just got the upgrade getters so im on the fence on either getting a Lumagen Radiance mini or buying a Emotiva pre-amp with a AMP. Both setups will cost me around the same, so I'm looking on what will make a bigger impact right now. Either way I'll be getting both setups but I will have to wait a couple 2 months until I get the funds to buy the second setup. My calibration software is Calman 5 Enthusiast, my meters are a C6 and a i1pro 2 as you can tell i'm a rookie in calibration and live in the Dominican Republic so I can't go and test out equipment or buy used bc if I get a defective product it will sometimes cost me more to ship it out then back in, so I prefer to buy new. Right now I calibrated my 65in. VT50 plasma and the picture looks dim but that's because I set up the panel to LOW and I read somewhere that I will get better blacks and have a better picture if I set it to MEDIUM. I haven't had the chance to test this out but I will try on the next couple of days.
My question is if I do buy the Radiance mini will I see a big improvement in picture quality by calibrating the Vt50 and getting 21 steps white balance and 125 gamut correction and benefiting with the autocal, or should I buy the pre-amp and the amp and enjoy a better sound quality from my speakers?
Right know I have a Denon 1612 receiver so is not that I don't have a receiver I do, I just want to upgrade little by little and get what really is going to be a bigger impact right now and wait 2 month to get the other.
(sorry if a misspelled something English is not my first language , but I do want to perfect the universal language of Home theater. thanks in helping a beginner.)
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Originally Posted by elvinps2626 View Post

Hello guys:
I just got the upgrade getters so im on the fence on either getting a Lumagen Radiance mini or buying a Emotiva pre-amp with a AMP. Both setups will cost me around the same, so I'm looking on what will make a bigger impact right now. Either way I'll be getting both setups but I will have to wait a couple 2 months until I get the funds to buy the second setup. My calibration software is Calman 5 Enthusiast, my meters are a C6 and a i1pro 2 as you can tell i'm a rookie in calibration and live in the Dominican Republic so I can't go and test out equipment or buy used bc if I get a defective product it will sometimes cost me more to ship it out then back in, so I prefer to buy new. Right now I calibrated my 65in. VT50 plasma and the picture looks dim but that's because I set up the panel to LOW and I read somewhere that I will get better blacks and have a better picture if I set it to MEDIUM. I haven't had the chance to test this out but I will try on the next couple of days.
My question is if I do buy the Radiance mini will I see a big improvement in picture quality by calibrating the Vt50 and getting 21 steps white balance and 125 gamut correction and benefiting with the autocal, or should I buy the pre-amp and the amp and enjoy a better sound quality from my speakers?
Right know I have a Denon 1612 receiver so is not that I don't have a receiver I do, I just want to upgrade little by little and get what really is going to be a bigger impact right now and wait 2 month to get the other.
(sorry if a misspelled something English is not my first language , but I do want to perfect the universal language of Home theater. thanks in helping a beginner.)

elvinps....Just my thoughts/opinion on your question:

A few months back I purchased the mini mainly for its speedy/accurate pattern generation capabilities and later discovered the 3D LUT 125 pt (5x5x5 Cube) calibration and generally use it as a stand-alone device to aid in my calibration activities and couldn't be happier( this thing delivers everything I expected and much more) . It's also a very powerful video enhancer with all kinds of advanced video controls to achieve the best video quality in a home theater. So for the money and considering everything it can do--the mini is only "mini" in size.

I recommend you change your panel setting from low to medium. I think you will be happier with the result.

On the topic of enhanced sound. Emotiva has a great reputation ( I own a pair of Airmotiv 4's with a CEntrance DACport for my desktop setup...sweet) . However, since you already own the Denon 1612, I'd say the #1 way to achieve better sound for your home theater is to invest in the best quality speakers you can afford. Quality speakers and proper placement will have the dramatic effect I think you are looking for.
Edited by LBJ2 - 5/12/13 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

elvinps....Just my thoughts/opinion on your question:

A few months back I purchased the mini mainly for its speedy/accurate pattern generation capabilities and later discovered the 3D LUT 125 pt (5x5x5 Cube) calibration and generally use it as a stand-alone device to aid in my calibration activities and couldn't be happier( this thing delivers everything I expected and much more) . It's also a very powerful video enhancer with all kinds of advanced video controls to achieve the best video quality in a home theater. So for the money and considering everything it can do--the mini is only "mini" in size.

I recommend you change your panel setting from low to medium. I think you will be happier with the result.

On the topic of enhanced sound. Emotiva has a great reputation ( I own a pair of Airmotiv 4's with a CEntrance DACport for my desktop setup...sweet) . However, since you already own the Denon 1612, I'd say the #1 way to achieve better sound for your home theater is to invest in the best quality speakers you can afford. Quality speakers and proper placement will have the dramatic effect I think you are looking for.
ok thanks for the reply i'll get the mini then besides i'm very curious on the deferent calibration tools that in brings to the table. What pattern size should i use for the Vt50 i know it should be window but does the Lumagen give different size of windows or just one and the full screen one.
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

elvinps....Just my thoughts/opinion on your question:

A few months back I purchased the mini mainly for its speedy/accurate pattern generation capabilities and later discovered the 3D LUT 125 pt (5x5x5 Cube) calibration and generally use it as a stand-alone device to aid in my calibration activities and couldn't be happier( this thing delivers everything I expected and much more) . It's also a very powerful video enhancer with all kinds of advanced video controls to achieve the best video quality in a home theater. So for the money and considering everything it can do--the mini is only "mini" in size.

I recommend you change your panel setting from low to medium. I think you will be happier with the result.

On the topic of enhanced sound. Emotiva has a great reputation ( I own a pair of Airmotiv 4's with a CEntrance DACport for my desktop setup...sweet) . However, since you already own the Denon 1612, I'd say the #1 way to achieve better sound for your home theater is to invest in the best quality speakers you can afford. Quality speakers and proper placement will have the dramatic effect I think you are looking for.
ok thanks for the reply i'll get the mini then besides i'm very curious on the deferent calibration tools that in brings to the table. What pattern size should i use for the Vt50 i know it should be window but does the Lumagen give different size of windows or just one and the full screen one.

Hello. Yes you can select different window sizes. I recommend "small" for plasma panels . Feel free to PM me for any questions if you decide to go with the mini. Also, if you like, check out my latest VT50 settings using the latest release of Calman5 and the lumagen mini on post #12053 of this forum (page 402). You can load these settings on your VT50. For me these are the best VT50 ISF DAY settings that I have come up with so far for my VT50 panel.
post #12090 of 13486
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Whenever I make the first attempts to connect a new device to my wireless network, I temporarily disable the security encryption, so as to remove any obstacles in the connection path. Once I'm satisfied that the new device is fully connected and intergrated into my network, then I enable the encryption and re-try making the connection. Also, I believe a WEP key is case sensitive, and most of the time I have to use the WEP full hex code vs the passphrase to get the connection.

I'll give that a try! Thanks for both the replies!
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