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post #12151 of 13477
good point Chunon, eco sensor needs to be turned off (or is it called CATS - i forget)
post #12152 of 13477
Cats but there is also a Eco setting cats off Eco setting. Should be standard
post #12153 of 13477
I did turn the CATS off, I don't think I've found the eco settings yet. I'll check it when I get home late tonight & also post the current settings. I used the THX optimizer on Finding Nemo Blu Ray to set brightness & contrast. HDMI is set to auto.

The grayness was how it looked when most of the scene was dark. In some scenes, like when they are underground with the bright lights overhead, the black bars should almost blend in with the bezel. But on mostly dark or all black it seems grey.

The haze in the pic is just the camera in the phone seeing the lighting in the dark. But the greyness in the blacks is about what I see. And the hockey pic...I feel like the red line should be more RED. It all looks faded, and teams with dark uniforms look at times like the blacks are them are crushed.

I'll try some other settings later. Factory reset is always an option too.
post #12154 of 13477
That Eco setting is in the viera tools menu probably right but double check it

I think the custom mode is much better isf as well prefer either over thx
post #12155 of 13477
The Eco/energy saving is in my Setup menu.
post #12156 of 13477
Should I buy a vt50 floor model for $1000 or get the st60 for $1350?
post #12157 of 13477
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Originally Posted by tommyeye View Post

Should I buy a vt50 floor model for $1000 or get the st60 for $1350?
Are you in the touring area for one of the professional calibrators that are active here at AVS? If so, I would get the VT50 and have it calibrated. biggrin.gif

I was assuming that it's new, and has a full warranty. Check it carefully first.
post #12158 of 13477
What size ST60?
post #12159 of 13477
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Originally Posted by tommyeye View Post

Should I buy a vt50 floor model for $1000 or get the st60 for $1350?

If it's the same size, I'd go with the VT50.
Check for burn in first by using full solid colors on the screen.

Omni009,
My set doesn't look like that either..
What's your contrast and brightness? Maybe try reducing the brightness and increasing the contrast?
I think the contrast should be around 90, perhaps 100.
Brightness maybe around 50, in my set it's +2 from 50.
post #12160 of 13477
Settings for the Batman pic were...

THX Cinema
Contrast 80
Brightness 56
Color 44
Tint 0
Sharpness 20
Color temp : Warm 1
Color mgmt Off
CATS Off
Video NR Off
Size FULL, H 2
HDMI Auto
Content None

I was watching in 96hz at the time. 1080 pure direct ON, though off made no discernible difference.

Previous owners custom settings (I played with the basic ones a little, did not touch the CMS) Custom settings are...

Contrast 79
Brightness 58
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 40
Color temp : Warm 1
Color mgmt Off
CATS Off
Video NR Off
Size FULL, H 2
HDMI Auto
Content None

Should I list them all? Seems the previous owner messed with every adjustment, most of the 10 IRE stuff has minor changes to it also. Really hope a pro did this. I must say Custom color wise looks quite a bit like Cinema...

I will take more pics tonight with the good camera.

(EDIT: Maybe the brightness on the Batman pic was 58 and not 56...one or the other. I raised the brightness a bit so I could make out some shadow detail in his suit and left it where I barely saw it. Maybe that's more of an adjustment for gamma?? Honestly don't know...)
Edited by Omni009 - 5/15/13 at 11:55pm
post #12161 of 13477
OK...since I have the time, setting, and honestly no better time to do this before I get set up, I ran the test I wanted to put my mind at ease. I hauled out my now "other roomed" S1 plasma that has served me these last 5 years and put it side by side with the VT50. No input, just black screens.

Here are the best pics I could get of the difference...





and with a bit more lighting on the screen...





I discovered that even on a black no input screen, the screen itself gets blacker if you lower the brightness, and I saw just what a large difference there was between 58 and 50. (Under 50 seemed to do nothing, so I guess that's the limit). So I lowered the brightness and took one more pic...



Now if I remember correctly (I may be off), an S1 plasma out of the box is around .011 ftl and after rising blacks (which I have as they all do) may measure around .016 ftl. The VT50 is .002 approx. So knowing that the S1 is around that value, does the VT look dark enough to be pretty much running to spec on blacks? I feel a bit better knowing they are not god awful or anything now that I have a means of comparison since I don't have a meter or anything. I think maybe I didn't realize just how powerful the brightness control on this thing really is between 50 and 60, and maybe the reason it lights up the room has more to do with how darn big it is. So hopefully good settings will fix this so it looks really nice in the dark!

Still trying to make hockey more watchable. I DID change from component cables to HDMI on my box (since the component adapter is missing..."no missing accessories" my ass!), and I noticed the box now outputs 1080P. I changed it back to the 1080i it was before to see if it will help.

And thanks for reading/helping with all this. Only 15 days to give this set the thumbs up or find a problem and figure out what to do with it!
post #12162 of 13477
Yes, brightness is best around 50.

For the hockey, try changing:
Contrast 100
Brightness 52
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 0
Color temp : Warm 2
See if it's any better..
post #12163 of 13477
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Omni, do yourself a favor and try inputting Robnix's settings or D-nice's and seeing if anything looks a bit better wink.gif they can be found in this thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1410156/the-official-panasonic-vt50-settings-thread/1770#post_23307700

Looked in this thread and figured it out...the CMS adjustments match the ones from that guy Topper (same one with the super black Devil's Ride pic). So now I know! I can erase them and always duplicate them if need be.
post #12164 of 13477
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Originally Posted by vlix View Post

Yes, brightness is best around 50.

For the hockey, try changing:
Contrast 100
Brightness 52
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 0
Color temp : Warm 2
See if it's any better..

A setting of 50 will crush blacks 56 to 58 is the correct range
Edited by chunon - 5/16/13 at 4:13am
post #12165 of 13477
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

A se
A setting of 50 will crush blacks 56 to 58 is the correct range

Yea, when I noticed that there was shadow detail in Batman's suit that I wasn't seeing, I bumped up the brightness until I could barely see it. That was around 56-58 when it really came out.

Just found another adjustment. When checking HDMI 2, which is what I had the PS3 hooked up to, all the settings that I now know are Toppers matched, except the gamma was 2.2 instead of 2.4 and the panel brightness was set to Low. Strangely, when I set it to Mid, the screen immediately became noticeably darker.

I also noticed that the Color control is much different than on my S1. On that set, it was over saturated out of the box, and I had to go to low 40's or even 38 I believe sometimes to get rid of it. With this set my first instinct was to lower the Color to like 44 or 46 at least...but 48-50 seems way less saturated than on my other set out of the box. That may explain my perceived dullness in colors on some HD cable content.

So far, all these little changes are really adding up. Picture is looking much better with all your help!
post #12166 of 13477
No offense to topper but his settings were done without a meter and when measured turned out to be not accurate you would be better off with someone else's settings imo
post #12167 of 13477
55 inch
post #12168 of 13477
My first plasma,how do you check for burn?
post #12169 of 13477
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

A se
A setting of 50 will crush blacks 56 to 58 is the correct range

Oh really? hmmm...
If I set it to +6 or +8, I can clearly see Blacker Than Black color using AVS709HD..
And the black bars becomes grey..
Actually, I just experimented using a black picture, If you put your face up to the screen, you can see white sparkles..
If I lower the brightness until -1, the white sparkles disappear, making it a solid black color.

But I'm guessing my set have different firmware than yours..
I don't have panel brightness... And the brightness control is actually a slider, starting in the middle, can be + (plus) or - (minus).
It's also "colour" not "color" tongue.gif

So.. yeah.. don't follow my settings.. biggrin.gif
post #12170 of 13477
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Originally Posted by vlix View Post

Oh really? hmmm...
If I set it to +6 or +8, I can clearly see Blacker Than Black color using AVS709HD..
And the black bars becomes grey..
Actually, I just experimented using a black picture, If you put your face up to the screen, you can see white sparkles..
If I lower the brightness until -1, the white sparkles disappear, making it a solid black color.

But I'm guessing my set have different firmware than yours..
I don't have panel brightness... And the brightness control is actually a slider, starting in the middle, can be + (plus) or - (minus).
It's also "colour" not "color" tongue.gif

So.. yeah.. don't follow my settings.. biggrin.gif

Yes probably different, my brightness is at 56 and my set was professionally calibrated also double checked with AVS709
post #12171 of 13477
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Originally Posted by tommyeye View Post

My first plasma,how do you check for burn?

You mean burn in? a light colored background will usually show IR if it is there
post #12172 of 13477
Quote:
Originally Posted by vlix View Post

Oh really? hmmm...
If I set it to +6 or +8, I can clearly see Blacker Than Black color using AVS709HD..
And the black bars becomes grey..
Actually, I just experimented using a black picture, If you put your face up to the screen, you can see white sparkles..
If I lower the brightness until -1, the white sparkles disappear, making it a solid black color.

But I'm guessing my set have different firmware than yours..
I don't have panel brightness... And the brightness control is actually a slider, starting in the middle, can be + (plus) or - (minus).
It's also "colour" not "color" tongue.gif

So.. yeah.. don't follow my settings.. biggrin.gif

What player? With a Sony 790 I am forced to use 52, with the OPPO 103 and Panasonic players its around 57. I had the same white sparkles on the 790.
post #12173 of 13477
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Originally Posted by tommyeye View Post

My first plasma,how do you check for burn?
No need. If you have it youll see it.
post #12174 of 13477
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Originally Posted by tommyeye View Post

My first plasma,how do you check for burn?

Just run color slides off an SD card.
post #12175 of 13477
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

The Eco/energy saving is in my Setup menu.

It is in both places smile.gif
post #12176 of 13477
I know this is a bit cheeky for a first post, but I have read lots and lots of info here in the last few days regarding the Panasonic vt50 and I am now completely lost.
I have a TX-P55VT50 B (U.K version) on which I wish to alter the calibration settings using the service menue. Unfortunately, when following the instructions to get into the service menue (volume - press info button 3 times) I keeping going into the self check mode which wipes out my channel settings. Are the instructions different in the U.K to the U.S?

Its certainly a nice set to watch but I feel that the picture isn't as vibrant now as when I first turned it on, a more accurate description would be that the picture is now flat with the whites being more of a grey colour. The set has probably had around 300 hours use.

I have downloaded the AVS calibration disk and also have a genuine 'Digital Video Essentials' disk with the accompanying 3 colour filter card.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
post #12177 of 13477
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Originally Posted by dodahday View Post

I know this is a bit cheeky for a first post, but I have read lots and lots of info here in the last few days regarding the Panasonic vt50 and I am now completely lost.
I have a TX-P55VT50 B (U.K version) on which I wish to alter the calibration settings using the service menue. Unfortunately, when following the instructions to get into the service menue (volume - press info button 3 times) I keeping going into the self check mode which wipes out my channel settings. Are the instructions different in the U.K to the U.S?

Its certainly a nice set to watch but I feel that the picture isn't as vibrant now as when I first turned it on, a more accurate description would be that the picture is now flat with the whites being more of a grey colour. The set has probably had around 300 hours use.

I have downloaded the AVS calibration disk and also have a genuine 'Digital Video Essentials' disk with the accompanying 3 colour filter card.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I have no clue on the european models, have you tried Avforums ?
post #12178 of 13477
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

What player? With a Sony 790 I am forced to use 52, with the OPPO 103 and Panasonic players its around 57. I had the same white sparkles on the 790.

I'm using Dune HD media player.
Tried the AVS709HD .mp4 file and also the bluray .iso file.
Both of them produce the same results.
Maybe I'll experiment abit, because I can choose decoding color space and output color space in the media player..
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodahday View Post

I know this is a bit cheeky for a first post, but I have read lots and lots of info here in the last few days regarding the Panasonic vt50 and I am now completely lost.
I have a TX-P55VT50 B (U.K version) on which I wish to alter the calibration settings using the service menue. Unfortunately, when following the instructions to get into the service menue (volume - press info button 3 times) I keeping going into the self check mode which wipes out my channel settings. Are the instructions different in the U.K to the U.S?

Its certainly a nice set to watch but I feel that the picture isn't as vibrant now as when I first turned it on, a more accurate description would be that the picture is now flat with the whites being more of a grey colour. The set has probably had around 300 hours use.

I have downloaded the AVS calibration disk and also have a genuine 'Digital Video Essentials' disk with the accompanying 3 colour filter card.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I have a South East Asian model, but I think my firmware is similar to yours..
I actually went to self-check mode like you when I tried entering the service menu the first time..
First I tried VOL- with 3x [0] like a website suggest.. It didn't work..
Then I tried VOL- with 3x [MENU] OR 3x [MUTE], I forgot which, but it entered me to the self-check mode..
Finally I tried VOL- with 3x [INFO], it works..
Edited by vlix - 5/16/13 at 7:17am
post #12179 of 13477
Thanks for the reply. No I haven't tried AV forums as I am completely new to the internet so haven't heard of them, I found this forum via a search engine while enjoying my retirement. I will try a search for AV forums as suggested but I am amazed by the amount of information on here.
Once again many thanks.
post #12180 of 13477
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Originally Posted by dodahday View Post

Thanks for the reply. No I haven't tried AV forums as I am completely new to the internet so haven't heard of them, I found this forum via a search engine while enjoying my retirement. I will try a search for AV forums as suggested but I am amazed by the amount of information on here.
Once again many thanks.

Btw welcome smile.gif Avforums is geared towrard the Euro models probably a better chance of getting an answer there
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