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post #12511 of 13474
the black level, bar 16, should not budge at any level on the vt50
post #12512 of 13474
When I went from Mid Panel to Low Panel brightness in Custom, the MLL raised. It was obvious. I wonder if this is related to the 24576 gradiations or whatever. Those are in Cinema Mode as well, and its using Low Panel brightness. its bars (non dithering) look the same as the bars in Custom with low panel.

I wonder if the increase gradiations increase mll?
post #12513 of 13474
It might be necessary to drive the extra levels, can you measure the mll increase? This is the first I've heard of it. Haven't all the low mll measurements (0.002 ftL) folks have measured been in the low panel setting?
post #12514 of 13474
Mine measures 0.0018fL in 96hz mode and 0.0022fL in 60hz mode with mid panel. I will measure low panel now in Custom, and then measure Cinema mode stock (you cant adjust panel brightness in Cinema) and see what the result is. Will post in a few.
post #12515 of 13474
Custom - Warm2 - Mid Panel = 0.0023fL
Custom - Warm2 - Low Panel = 0.0061fL

Cinema - Warm2 = 0.0061fL

Whoops!

Even though low panel seems to be a better result on the bars for the "look" of the bar, and I assume its the 24,576 gradiation hype, it hurts mll severely. It also does nothing for the red tint to the bars. In every mode, even un calibrated, Warm 2 gives an obvious red tint to 17-19. Normal is more a blue/green, which is why I probably felt the Normal Color Temp calibration I did in Custom looks a little "green" at times in real dark scenes. Overall however, it was not near as bad as Warm2 and the red.
post #12516 of 13474
This appears to be turning once again into a full on calibration thread. Not that I mind, but it's quite meaningless to those of us without equipment or calibration skills!
post #12517 of 13474
Does anyone just watch their tv instead of constantly tweaking it ? Lol

Maybe you should pm chad he might be able to point you in the right direction
post #12518 of 13474
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

This appears to be turning once again into a full on calibration thread. Not that I mind, but it's quite meaningless to those of us without equipment or calibration skills!
What specifically would you like to discuss?
post #12519 of 13474
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

This appears to be turning once again into a full on calibration thread. Not that I mind, but it's quite meaningless to those of us without equipment or calibration skills!

It's the nature of the beast.

Too bad all calibration talk can't be moved to the VT50 calibration thread where someone looking for it could find it.
post #12520 of 13474
Too bad all calibration talk can't be moved to the VT50 calibration thread where someone looking for it could find it."

That would make far too much sense! smile.gif
post #12521 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

What specifically would you like to discuss?

This is a great thread and I've had many great conversations about the general performance, features, tips and tricks etc of my VT50. When I have calibration questions I go to the VT50 calibration forum, or one of my pros (Jeff or Chad). These threads ebb and flow...I get that. Enjoy!
post #12522 of 13474
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

This is a great thread and I've had many great conversations about the general performance, features, tips and tricks etc of my VT50. When I have calibration questions I go to the VT50 calibration forum, or one of my pros (Jeff or Chad). These threads ebb and flow...I get that. Enjoy!

You mean the settings thread ? I have never seen a calibration thread. I don't see a problem with open discussion here as long as it is related to the VT50, keeps the thread alive smile.gif
post #12523 of 13474
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

You mean the settings thread ? I have never seen a calibration thread. I don't see a problem with open discussion here as long as it is related to the VT50, keeps the thread alive smile.gif
Whatever...perhaps as a 2012 panel any conversation to keep this thread alive is worthy. Just less value for me as a non-calibrator. But I am a minority of one and will still follow!
post #12524 of 13474
Look. The amount of traffic now does not constitute two threads. I don't care when folks talk aimlessly or incorrectly about the display, just read back a lot of pages, so don't mind if we get to the bottom of stuff. If you don't like getting email notifications change it to daily!

Also, what was discussed last night would be of help to many, at least most of it, like the mll rise in low panel. That affects you if you don't have a meter. Also color temp options before calibration are also useful to normal owners looking for input. I'm not going to sit here and post all the pro menu settings, but there isn't anything wrong with the discussion of how it behaves in a certain setting.

I'm going to post stock charts for warm 2, 1 and normal so a user can decide for themselves what settingto use. That's just simple things to help someone who does not have a meter or who is not willing to pay for a calibration.

What's worse and more noisy to the thread, the posts complaining and defending the concept or the discussion we had last night?
Edited by gadgtfreek - 6/19/13 at 7:18am
post #12525 of 13474
Ok
post #12526 of 13474
Also if there is anything someone would like me test, let me know. I'll also try and keep mll vs hours updated too.

I've settled on motion smoother weak. After discussions with many users here, and calibrstors, it really offers great motion resolution without being offensive. 60hz setting for Bluray and 24p input has some slight issues, but its better to my eyes than 96hz mode anyways. Just my 0.02 cents.
post #12527 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Cigarjohn47 View Post

Wow, I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope Panasonic takes care of you in an orderly fashion. Their tech. dept. really don't know their A** from a hole in a wall. I had a problem with the internet feature on the VT50. I can hear audio from Youtube and Pandora through the TV's speakers but when I shut off the TV speakers and try to route the audio to my surround sound system, it wouldn't work. The back panel of the VT50 only has one optical output port and that didn't work. So I called technical support and they told me that the optical port is only used for older receivers or pre-amps that didn't have HDMI ports and that any internet activity will automatically be muted if sent to an outside source. "That Sucks", I told them. They build this flagship plasma and doesn't include any audio output to an external surround sound receiver?

So thinking to myself, I'm using the HDMI ARC Input and output channels and knowing that ARC is supposed to allow for A/V to pass through the cable in both directions at the same time. After digging around in my Integra DHC-80.3, I found that my ARC wasn't turned on. So when I turned it on, everything works perfectly and I can now use Pandora and watch Youtube videos with sound. What an idiot Panasonic Technician, too lazy to help me find a solution.

Anyway, I wish you the best if your VT50 is still under warranty.

I'm glad you got it working but that is not accurate about the optical out I have used internet apps many many times and have no issues with sound
post #12528 of 13474
There is already a "proper" thread called "The Official Panasonic VT50 Settings Thread", and it's HERE:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1410156/the-official-panasonic-vt50-settings-thread

While I've always thought there could have, should have been a dedicated "calibration" thread, the "settings" thread is the next best place. It's only logical to me perhaps, that a "owners" thread like this one could deal with ALL the other big/little things regarding ownership, and for those interested in getting deeper into calibration, that traffic would be more appropriate in it's own dedicated place, as calibration settings, are well "settings". After all, there is a dedicated thread for "master burn-in", so that discussion does not clutter this thread or the settings thread. I follow all three of them in relationship to my VT50, thankfully with the release of the VT60, some of the traffic has moved there. It's common sense.
post #12529 of 13474
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

I'm glad you got it working but that is not accurate about the optical out I have used internet apps many many times and have no issues with sound

Same here, the optical output on my VT50 works fine for any and all content to my Onkyo 906 AVR. The person with this problem, got some bad information from that Pany rep.
post #12530 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Mactavish View Post

Same here, the optical output on my VT50 works fine for any and all content to my Onkyo 906 AVR. The person with this problem, got some bad information from that Pany rep.

Yeah imagine that they are not sharp at all
post #12531 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Mactavish View Post

There is already a "proper" thread called "The Official Panasonic VT50 Settings Thread", and it's HERE:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1410156/the-official-panasonic-vt50-settings-thread

While I've always thought there could have, should have been a dedicated "calibration" thread, the "settings" thread is the next best place. It's only logical to me perhaps, that a "owners" thread like this one could deal with ALL the other big/little things regarding ownership, and for those interested in getting deeper into calibration, that traffic would be more appropriate in it's own dedicated place, as calibration settings, are well "settings". After all, there is a dedicated thread for "master burn-in", so that discussion does not clutter this thread or the settings thread. I follow all three of them in relationship to my VT50, thankfully with the release of the VT60, some of the traffic has moved there. It's common sense.
Ahh....yes. If only the general public had common sense...smile.gif
post #12532 of 13474
Nothing we discussed was deep calibration. color temp and user mode performance are simple items an owner could be interested in. Like I said noone is going overboard with charts or posting pro settings/control cal logs/3d luts, those belong in a settings thread. what I see right now is the discussion does not interest you or you feel its a burden, when it is not off topic. the answer to that is tough, or ignore me.

I don't see any of you crying when someone posts a dnice, umr or chad cal report...

And to be quite frank, one could use common sense (your words) and say a settings thread is for users to post their current display settings, and that does not necessarily mean calibration discussion. anyways, enough noise has been generated by this nonsense,its time to move on for me.
Edited by gadgtfreek - 6/19/13 at 11:32am
post #12533 of 13474
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Nothing we discussed was deep calibration. color temp and user mode performance are simple items an owner could be interested in. Like I said noone is going overboard with charts or posting pro settings/control cal logs/3d luts, those belong in a settings thread. what I see right now is the discussion does not interest you or you feel its a burden, when it is not off topic. the answer to that is tough, or ignore me.

I don't see any of you crying when someone posts a dnice, umr or chad cal report...

And to be quite frank, one could use common sense (your words) and say a settings thread is for users to post their current display settings, and that does not necessarily mean calibration discussion. anyways, enough noise has been generated by this nonsense.

Oh brother...I've been a contributor here and didn't expect to get attacked. Sorry for the distraction. Carry on!
post #12534 of 13474
Look, no one has attacked you and I'm sorry you feel that way. im irritated only because lot more time and effort has been spent criticizing and defending a brief conversation last night. its a little ridiculous, and now we are surely off topic. The intent was not to attack anyone, and I don't think that was done by anyone.

The thread gets so little traffic, I just don't get it. but I'm with you, carry on.
post #12535 of 13474
Hey, I was happy about the conversation, please keep it up! I appreciate all your info.

I didn't think Scirica wasn't being all that serious, or suggesting you shouldn't talk about it, but in print it can easily get misinterpreted.

All water under the bridge I'm sure.

So tell me, your weak setting conclusion - does it also hold for the other two modes, 48hz and 96?
post #12536 of 13474
Its also hard, a lot of my day is spent typing on a phone!

I find weak very beneficial on 1080i and 720p from Dish. for bluray I was using 1080p/60 out and weak, but spent some more time with 1080p/24 out and 60hz on the vt. I see more artifacts in the 60hz mode and 24pin, but to me it still looks better than sending 60hz from the player. The worst to my eyes for artifacts is 24p in and 96hz mode. I also see some flicker. I leave weak on no matter what because I think its very little interpolation and more like blur reduction on previous models (producing additional subfields), where you get high motion resolution. of course medium and high are offensive to me and stutter on 1080i content.

I think setting the 24p mode to 60hz and using weak on Bluray is quite crisp, but there are some artifacts I'm willing to live with.

I can't use 48hz unless in 3D, flicker is too bad.
post #12537 of 13474
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Nothing we discussed was deep calibration. color temp and user mode performance are simple items an owner could be interested in. Like I said noone is going overboard with charts or posting pro settings/control cal logs/3d luts, those belong in a settings thread. what I see right now is the discussion does not interest you or you feel its a burden, when it is not off topic. the answer to that is tough, or ignore me.

I don't see any of you crying when someone posts a dnice, umr or chad cal report...

And to be quite frank, one could use common sense (your words) and say a settings thread is for users to post their current display settings, and that does not necessarily mean calibration discussion. anyways, enough noise has been generated by this nonsense,its time to move on for me.

While I appreciate the majority of your posts, I believe they would still be better served in the "proper" place. Since we seem to disagree on this topic, let's leave it at that, and indeed move on.
post #12538 of 13474
You know, about flicker. I've been using 48hz a lot lately and I've managed to see past it very well. However, the other night I was watching wall-E and I noticed it too much so switched back to 96hz, which of course took care of it but then introduced those nasty side pans again.

The thing I noticed, was that I was using my day mode when I noticed the 48hz flicker, which I use when I have all the lights on, and that was when the flicker was most noticeable. Now my day mode is ~35fl and my night mode is 25fl. I LOVE my night mode way more than my day mode, but of course that's when I get to turn off the lights and has been what I've been watching the 48hz content with pretty successfully.

So i guess what Im rambling about is that the overall luminance on the screen being higher may make the flicker more apparent - which is why bright backgrounds are the worst offenders. The phosphors rate of luminance decay must not be a linear function and I'll bet at the top end of luminance when they shut off and on real quick they 'die down' faster than when lower luminance spots on the screen turn on and off quickly.

Having a lower fl calibration (think movie theater like 18-20FL) might actually make that mode a bit more tolerant with all the lights off.

sorry if I just spun you around for a whole 'nother night of eye crossing LOL biggrin.gif
post #12539 of 13474
You bring up a good point. So many factors affect things settings wise. I had no idea only low panel brightness was 24,576 graduations they brag about, yet the black level is horrible.
post #12540 of 13474
Good info on low panel brightness hadn't heard either of those
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