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Originally Posted by esquire415 View Post

Would you be selling your Kuro if you decide to upgrade in size? I missed out on the last batch of KRP-500m, Beach Camera went out of stock the day I was going to pull the trigger (before that I missed out on the 5020, 6th Ave sold the last two they had the same day I was going to buy it)! It's been 3 years and the Kuro is still the best in PQ, maybe matched by the VT50 now. I ended up with a Panny G10 and to this day I still regret not pulling the trigger sooner for the Kuro.

Anyway, from your monicker, I see that you're a Sony fanboy. I love Sony but ever since they quit the plasma business, I thought they've lost their leading edge reputation (they have gradually lost market share and is currently doing a makeover) . Unfortunately, Sony did not participate in the recent HDTV shootout because their flagship HX950/953 is not coming out until August. I wanted to see how it fares against the Sharp Elite, Runco and VT50. I'm still not a fan of LCD but the monolithic design of the new Sony HX850 with the one sheet of gorilla glass is stunning. It's like a black glass slab on your wall. It's minimalistic elegance at its best. They also used metal strip surrounding the edge but it's only 1mm and it's a brushed stainless steel that will not create reflections and hotspots and is not visible when viewing in front. Sony is indeed a step ahead in terms of design aesthetics and functionality.

I was at Magnolia yesterday and got a chance to see all the latest and greatest 2012 TVs from the major TV manufacturers. Finally saw the VT50 in person. Panasonic has improved their design. It looks expensive this time but I was very disappointed with the silver trim around the bezel. I thought it's going to be brushed metal but it's shiny reflective CHROME! And it's thick like a half inch! Why Panasonic?! Why? As I looked around the display room, only the VT50 had several hotspots reflecting from the showroom lights, it was very distracting and I wonder how this would affect viewing in a bright room especially when you get the morning or afternoon sun (like mine) or just for casual viewing when you have some lights on in the evening. The hotspots were annoying and would deter from the pleasure of watching an incredible picture.

Now if we have the design aesthetics of Sony merged with Panasonic's picture quality then we'll have the Kuro....i mean...a perfect TV. But then I guess I will have to make a compromise. Either buy a different plasma brand, go LCD, or spray paint the chrome edge of the VT50 flat black (Plasti-dip)

Not sure if I would sell it. The first thought would be to move it to the bedroom. I'm not in a big rush to do anything right now. But it's nice knowing if I were to make a move or something happened to my kuro, that the there are some very respectable replacements right now. I'm not a hardcore videophile so I think from the Ut up to the vt I would be satisfied. Saying that, the kuro has given me a sound appreciation for an accurate picture and extremely deep black levels. My hope would be going up in size would make up for whatever was lacking compared to the kuro.
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Originally Posted by frogboy51 View Post

I had a local carpenter, build me a solid oak/black finished TV stand. I simply gave him my plans/measurements and 2 days later, the stand was sitting in my room.

Your stand looks good. How much, if you don't mind me asking, did you pay for something like that? I was thinking of doing the same thing because my POS IKEA TV stand is sagging in the middle due to the weight of my TV.
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

+1 I can't believe we are still even talking about this when I think design wise the vt50 is one of if not the most striking tv out there.

Beauty (and hideousness) is in the eye of the beholder.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post


Beauty (and hideousness) is in the eye of the beholder.

Yes of course this is true. But what other contenders are there the unchanged Samsungs the lovely LEDs with all chrome frames and chrome bases I guess we always have to find something to nitpick.
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Not sure if I would sell it. The first thought would be to move it to the bedroom. I'm not in a big rush to do anything right now. But it's nice knowing if I were to make a move or something happened to my kuro, that the there are some very respectable replacements right now. I'm not a hardcore videophile so I think from the Ut up to the vt I would be satisfied. Saying that, the kuro has given me a sound appreciation for an accurate picture and extremely deep black levels. My hope would be going up in size would make up for whatever was lacking compared to the kuro.

Always my motto move around and sell (or giveaway) the worst existing display in the home.
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Yes of course this is true. But what other contenders are there the unchanged Samsungs the lovely LEDs with all chrome frames and chrome bases I guess we always have to find something to nitpick.

I'd note that Samsung, for example, improved the stand on the ES series immeasurably from last year. Sadly they still have the hotspotting edge -- which Panasonic has duplicated this year. It's a shame no one ripped off the Sony HX design more perfectly.

But anyway... I'm still getting a VT it seems. Even though I don't find it attractive.
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I'd note that Samsung, for example, improved the stand on the ES series immeasurably from last year. Sadly they still have the hotspotting edge -- which Panasonic has duplicated this year. It's a shame no one ripped off the Sony HX design more perfectly.

But anyway... I'm still getting a VT it seems. Even though I don't find it attractive.

What are you watching on now rogo? I meant the plasmas design was unchanged not the led I worded that weirdly. Yea the sony's are the nicest.. But I have very little light and have yet to be bothered by the chrome on the vt.
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But anyway... I'm still getting a VT it seems. Even though I don't find it attractive.

Fact: You Rogo DO find the VT extremely attractive! Period

Sorry couldnt resist
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Well I'm from Australia and am jealous as hell you guys have your hands on the 65 vt50 I can't flamin wait! But one question why do the previous 65vt30's weigh near on 20 kilos more than the equivalent vt50?i know the bezel is a little bigger but not 20kg's worth.
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Originally Posted by hfc23 View Post

Well I'm from Australia and am jealous as hell you guys have your hands on the 65 vt50 I can't flamin wait! But one question why do the previous 65vt30's weigh near on 20 kilos more than the equivalent vt50?i know the bezel is a little bigger but not 20kg's worth.

The bezel is much smaller. Over an inch of metal frame subtracted from the likes of a 65" set can really add up. But yeah it seems like a lot.
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That's a good observation, I haven't read a bad post yet. What about the brightness in 3D is it okay, noticeably dimmer or just as bright as 2D?
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I'd note that Samsung, for example, improved the stand on the ES series immeasurably from last year. Sadly they still have the hotspotting edge -- which Panasonic has duplicated this year. It's a shame no one ripped off the Sony HX design more perfectly.

But anyway... I'm still getting a VT it seems. Even though I don't find it attractive.

To all who dismiss Rogo on his concerns... please stop. One concern to one person is going to be completely ignored by another.

Rogo,

I had the UNxxD8000 series, and like the ES8000 series I have to say that the hotspotting edge on that television was a big deal. My girlfriend, most of all, hated it. During the day, it was like there was a glowing frame around the television.

That said, the VT50 does not have the same type of hotspotting edge that those Samsung LCDs do. The Sasmungs have a more rounded edge that faces forwards. The VT50, by contrast, is flattened and angled up and away from the TV, and is also more of a "satin" in texture. This of course does not make hotspotting impossible, but it does drastically reduce the possibility. In our viewing environment, we have one entire wall of windows, and with them all open we don't get significant hotspotting on the edge. We DO however get a significant amount of screen glare, but that's plasma (and modern LCD) for you.

All in all, I think you'll be happy with the edge once you get the TV set up in your home. It really does look nice when it's off, and I don't ever notice it when it's on.
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The more I watch the 65VT50 the more I love it. Was watching the 3rd transformers movie on it last night and I couldn't ask for a better picture. I never even notice the silver trim. The red light is there, if I look for it, but when I'm concentrating on the movie, it disappears from view.

I watched some 2d-3d conversion material with Nightmare on Elm street, part 3 and, while not perfect, it made an interesting enhancement to the movie. I preferred the medium 3D mode (out of min, med, max 3d enhancement) I used Vivid mode for this to get a brighter picture with glasses. It's about the only use for Vivid mode that I can think of.

During daytime viewing, to me the Daytime THX mode makes the colors seem paler. I like the colors best with Nighttime THX mode, but the blacks lose detail. Nighttime THX is the best overall in a darkened room. I can't wait for a calibration.
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So can someone who has spent a fair amount of time with both the VT30 and the VT50 tell me how much better the VT50 is?

Also, is the 3d better, worse, or the same as the VT30?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by imws View Post

That's a good observation, I haven't read a bad post yet. What about the brightness in 3D is it okay, noticeably dimmer or just as bright as 2D?

I was watching Conan 3D (terrible 3D by the way); and I paused a scene where some goon was wearing a robe. With the glasses on, it looked like a dark grey robe - removing the glasses revealed a blue robe. The 3D pic is definitely darker, at least on that flick. GF made me watch Puss in Boots 3D, and I must say the 3D was impressive, and the colors were just as bright.

I guess the source has a lot to do with it...

Chris
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I have the Puss In Boots 3-D movie also. I notice some ghosting with white objects a lot in that movie. Is there some setting that would correct this? Or, is it something in the source material, or is the TV causing it?

I discovered that if the movie comes with it's own cardboard glasses, the 3-D is a different technology than the modern 3-D movies. I have 3 of these: Coraline, Journey to the Center of the Earth, and Polar Express. So, keep in mind, if the movie comes with it's own glasses, don't buy it.

Use THX 3-D mode with the glasses to get the brightness back.

Also, for a calibration, it would seem reasonable to get all 3 THX modes calibrated. THX Daytime, THX nighttime, THX 3-D, and not to bother with custom mode. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Retaining close to original brightness of the 3 modes so that they don't all become the same.)
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Cool thanks for posting your observations about THX-3D mode, will the set automatically kick into the THX-3D mode if you last used it with 3D?
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Cool thanks for posting your observations about THX-3D mode, will the set automatically kick into the THX-3D mode if you last used it with 3D?

Yes. That has been my experience. Whatever mode I've used last with what I was doing is what gets automatically chosen. If I put it in 2d-3d conversion, it automatically chooses Vivid mode, because that is the last mode I chose for it. (I don't think THX 3-D was an option for this. I'm at work, so I can't check right now.)
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Nice to finally read some reports on 3D. I suspect that these are late to the date because glasses have to be ordered separately in order to watch. Although i am not really a fan of 3D, I do have a pair of glasses coming from Amazon on Thursday, so I can see the VT50's 3D abilities first hand.
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Just got my 65VT50,very impressed with the picture right out of the box,will get it calibrated after I break it in
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My custom installer just let me know that one of his 65VT50 preorder customers just cancelled due to financial difficulties. If anybody in New England area is looking for one, send me a PM and I will put you in touch with him.
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Originally Posted by CatBrat View Post

I have the Puss In Boots 3-D movie also. I notice some ghosting with white objects a lot in that movie. Is there some setting that would correct this? Or, is it something in the source material, or is the TV causing it?

I discovered that if the movie comes with it's own cardboard glasses, the 3-D is a different technology than the modern 3-D movies. I have 3 of these: Coraline, Journey to the Center of the Earth, and Polar Express. So, keep in mind, if the movie comes with it's own glasses, don't buy it.

Use THX 3-D mode with the glasses to get the brightness back.

Also, for a calibration, it would seem reasonable to get all 3 THX modes calibrated. THX Daytime, THX nighttime, THX 3-D, and not to bother with custom mode. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Retaining close to original brightness of the 3 modes so that they don't all become the same.)


Make sure you have 48hz selected and not 60hz. That can be found in one of the 3D sub menus of the picture mode you have chosen.
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Make sure you have 48hz selected and not 60hz. That can be found in one of the 3D sub menus of the picture mode you have chosen.

It looks like it's on page 51 in the manual and is called "Advanced picture, 24p Direct in". Only 2 settings 60hz or 48hz. I haven't changed it, so don't know which one is the default. Will look at it when I get home.
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I ordered my 65VT50 on Sunday from Cleveland Plasma. I'm trying and failing to contain my excitement and manage my patience.

Chris emailed tracking this morning, so the TV is on its way to me. Est. delivery date is next Tuesday but I'm told there is a chance it will make it this week! I sure hope so.

Moving up from a 50" Sony SXRD from 2006 - I think its going to be a huge improvement...
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Originally Posted by mark_b View Post

So can someone who has spent a fair amount of time with both the VT30 and the VT50 tell me how much better the VT50 is?

Also, is the 3d better, worse, or the same as the VT30?

Thanks.

Probably not, but I'll try anyway

I have a 65GT30 which I have been calibrating and tuning off and on to get good looking flesh tones.

I just did a first round on my friend's 65VT50 and it looks fantastic.
It handles all content much better due to the color accuracy.
2X black levels do not hurt either.

The VT50 reminds me of my Kuro's that looks good with a wide variety of content because they are accurate.

I am torn on upgrading this year or waiting until 2013 to see if there will be a larger display.

If it is within your means, you should seriously consider it.

- Rich
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Originally Posted by CatBrat View Post

It looks like it's on page 51 in the manual and is called "Advanced picture, 24p Direct in". Only 2 settings 60hz or 48hz. I haven't changed it, so don't know which one is the default. Will look at it when I get home.

Cool. I just know that when I changed it to 60hz I got 13 ghost and once back at 48hz no ghost to speak of.
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Originally Posted by caiazpa View Post

I ordered my 65VT50 on Sunday from Cleveland Plasma. I'm trying and failing to contain my excitement and manage my patience.

Chris emailed tracking this morning, so the TV is on its way to me. Est. delivery date is next Tuesday but I'm told there is a chance it will make it this week! I sure hope so.

Moving up from a 50" Sony SXRD from 2006 - I think its going to be a huge improvement...

I ordered mine last week from him as well. It is set to arrive tomorrow but I can't take delivery until Friday due to work obligations. I am moving up from a 7 year old 720p 50" Maxent plasma. I can't wait.

The girlfriend thinks that I am crazy, but that is the price you pay I guess.
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

What are you watching on now rogo? I meant the plasmas design was unchanged not the led I worded that weirdly. Yea the sony's are the nicest.. But I have very little light and have yet to be bothered by the chrome on the vt.

It's a 6-year-old Panasonic 50" plasma. It has a matte black-and-silver bezel. It's ugly, but it's utterly non-reflective. The TV, of course, is reflective as heck.

I know you meant the plasma was unchanged. I was merely noting they improved the LCD a ton by getting rid of the hideous claw stand and putting on that new stand which is kind of interesting/gorgeous.

We have a pair of accent lights that we normally run that sit over the TV that I fear will hotspot the new VT's bezel in a really irritating manner. I hope to be wrong. We also have a light over the table in the eating area that I suspect will be incident to it. Then there is daylight on the occasional football Sunday or golf major... Again, none of this is a dealbreaker, especially given how poorly the current TV even works during the day vs. the improvement I expect from the new one.

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To all who dismiss Rogo on his concerns... please stop. One concern to one person is going to be completely ignored by another.

Tempest, to be honest, I have spent thousands of posts helping people with concerns that are not mine. If people want to be petty in return, I just can't be bothered. But thanks.
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I had the UNxxD8000 series, and like the ES8000 series I have to say that the hotspotting edge on that television was a big deal. My girlfriend, most of all, hated it. During the day, it was like there was a glowing frame around the television.

I know.
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That said, the VT50 does not have the same type of hotspotting edge that those Samsung LCDs do. The Sasmungs have a more rounded edge that faces forwards. The VT50, by contrast, is flattened and angled up and away from the TV, and is also more of a "satin" in texture. This of course does not make hotspotting impossible, but it does drastically reduce the possibility. In our viewing environment, we have one entire wall of windows, and with them all open we don't get significant hotspotting on the edge. We DO however get a significant amount of screen glare, but that's plasma (and modern LCD) for you.

Well, this makes me optimistic. But as I said above, all in, I'm headed for a VT50 anyway. On balance, I'm finding it hard to imagine what else to buy instead. The Sony's off-axis problems, the Elite's similar issues and giant price, etc. etc. This seems like a year where the top choice is really a no brainer unless one hates plasma. I'm technology agnostic however.
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All in all, I think you'll be happy with the edge once you get the TV set up in your home. It really does look nice when it's off, and I don't ever notice it when it's on.

Sounds great. I just need to book some time to make the swap once it arrives (there are logistics issues with my center channel speaker that will require a new shelf for example) and call up some trusted dealers to close the deal. I hope to have this wrapped up in a couple of weeks. And I really appreciate your insight.
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Can a current owner tell me how long the power cord is on the P65VT50?

Thanks!
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Just pulled the plugs and bought the 55inch after my CRT died. Can't say that I could be any happier right now.
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