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post #1921 of 12522
6/1/12 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by sivart321 View Post

I will look into this, but my ideal scenario is (without ever messing with the settings once configured)

Option 1. TV on, AVR off: TV speakers play audio

Option 2. TV on, AVR on: TV speakers are off, HT speakers play audio.


I can do this fine with my Samsung and Sony TV through the AVR.

My setup performs exactly as you describe with no issues. When I turn my yammy 671 to standby "off" my speakers on the TV work. And then I can turn on my Bluetooth headset and connect to the TV and listen through them if I want. Everything works as it should. VT50 works as it should. The settings suggested to you are correct. You must be missing something. I can help you more tomorrow if you have not got it figured out by then.
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post #1922 of 12522
6/1/12 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by sivart321 View Post

I will look into this, but my ideal scenario is (without ever messing with the settings once configured)

Option 1. TV on, AVR off: TV speakers play audio

Option 2. TV on, AVR on: TV speakers are off, HT speakers play audio.


I can do this fine with my Samsung and Sony TV through the AVR.

My set worked like that right out of the box. All I had to do (on my Onkyo 5009 receiver) was turn on and turn off . So possibly some arcane setting has been switched on your unit. Try going into the Setup menu of the TV and do a to factory settings and go from there. That might clear any rogue setting giving you problems.
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post #1923 of 12522
6/2/12 at 1:24am
I'm considering purchasing this baby but had one question--where does one find a source that can professionally calibrate it? I've heard conflicting stories about where one gets this done, so I thought I'd ask here.
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post #1924 of 12522
6/2/12 at 1:43am
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

PQ issues on non-powered VT50's can be severe. A fix has been offered by Pannasonic but it requires 110 volts of AC power that they refuse to include with the set! First its 3d glasses and now this! Curse you Panny!!!

I thought with it off you get a true blacks!
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post #1925 of 12522
6/2/12 at 3:58am
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Originally Posted by Lord Vader View Post

I'm considering purchasing this baby but had one question--where does one find a source that can professionally calibrate it? I've heard conflicting stories about where one gets this done, so I thought I'd ask here.

Do a post search for "htwaits" in his sig there's two great links. The best thing is have a top touring calibrator setup the tv, it's recommended to stay away from best buy.
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post #1926 of 12522
6/2/12 at 4:19am
Anyone know how to check the hours used on the VT50?
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post #1927 of 12522
6/2/12 at 5:17am
OK I have had a few questions about IR on the vt50, so I reluctantly put up the slides to check it out.

Here is what I expected to and did find. I can clearly see logo data but only on grey slides and never on true content. I also expected to see this on green slides but they are quite clean. I have to assume that most of us would find the same thing if they throw the slides up. I suggest you don't. Ignorance is bliss.

I also have to think this is fairly normal. Now I know some will interject that this logo data is simply ir that will go away, but my response will be "prove it". Most may indeed go away but my guess is that area of a plasma screen will always have some data imprinted on it.

When all is said and done, I am relying on the "hope" and educated guess that this is a non issue. I am no longer going to obsess over IR on slides. I have yet to see this materialize on real content on either the VT30 or the VT50.

I am seeing people get all OCD about things like borders of black between the screen and the bezel, IR on slides, distorted reflections when set is off, strange lines that can only be seen from two inches away. I have been the worst offender. But trust me when I tell you to relax and enjoy the set. If you are sitting from a normal viewing position and see some sort of issue, by all means, investigate further. Otherwise stop looking for problems and torturing yourself.
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post #1928 of 12522
6/2/12 at 5:22am
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

OK I have had a few questions about IR on the vt50, so I reluctantly put up the slides to check it out.

Here is what I expected to and did find. I can clearly see logo data but only on grey slides and never on true content. I also expected to see this on green slides but they are quite clean. I have to assume that most of us would find the same thing if they throw the slides up. I suggest you don't. Ignorance is bliss.

I also have to think this is fairly normal. Now I know some will interject that this logo data is simply ir that will go away, but my response will be "prove it". Most may indeed go away but my guess is that area of a plasma screen will always have some data imprinted on it.

When all is said and done, I am relying on the "hope" and educated guess that this is a non issue. I am no longer going to obsess over IR on slides. I have yet to see this materialize on real content on either the VT30 or the VT50.

I am seeing people get all OCD about things like borders of black between the screen and the bezel, IR on slides, distorted reflections when set is off, strange lines that can only be seen from two inches away. I have been the worst offender. But trust me when I tell you to relax and enjoy the set. If you are sitting from a normal viewing position and see some sort of issue, by all means, investigate further. Otherwise stop looking for problems and torturing yourself.

Are you sure that you're seeing "logo data"? I mean, is it all localized to the lower right hand corner or something?

We'll all have some imperfect uniformity on grey/white slides, but this is due to DSE- not IR. All VT50's have some level of DSE thanks to the "Kuro-like filter", though most Kuro owners seem to claim that the VT50's DSE level is actually quite mild relative to the Kuros. I only notice it in full white slides and about 1% of content, myself. Coming from a 2011 Samsung LCD, where uniformity was a nightmare, I can happily say that the VT50's overall uniformity is phenomenal.

As for IR, I've seen none so far. Zero. Nada. Even after abusing the hell out of it with menus and windowed calibration slides for an entire day. Knock on wood.
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post #1929 of 12522
6/2/12 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Are you sure that you're seeing "logo data"? I mean, is it all localized to the lower right hand corner or something?

We'll all have some imperfect uniformity on grey/white slides, but this is due to DSE- not IR. All VT50's have some level of DSE thanks to the "Kuro-like filter", though most Kuro owners seem to claim that the VT50's DSE level is actually quite mild relative to the Kuros. I only notice it in full white slides and about 1% of content, myself.

As for IR, I've seen none so far. Zero. Nada. Even after abusing the hell out of it with menus and windowed calibration slides for an entire day. Knock on wood.


Clearly logo data. I can see that it is Discovery and History but only on grey slides. Not worried.

Did you look at grey and green slides where the logos would be? I would be shocked if you have nothing at all.

And I really never notice the dse like some do. Didn't on my kuro either but I do not look for it either.
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post #1930 of 12522
6/2/12 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Clearly logo data. I can see that it is Discovery and History but only on grey slides. Not worried.

And I really never notice the dse like some do. Didn't o. My kuro either but I do not look for it either.

Interesting. Well, I have to say that I haven't been watching many shows with logos (mostly blu ray movies), but I was shocked to have zero IR after my calibration frenzy last week. I was almost sure that I'd have a square of IR in the middle of my screen, but nothing.
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post #1931 of 12522
6/2/12 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

@D-Nice , The overall cailibrators results from the VE shootout showed a tie between the VT50 and the E8000.

What are the main reasoning behind this? Are the two panels that close.

That's interesting. The Panasonic is clearly better on Contrast Ratio and overall color accuracy.
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post #1932 of 12522
6/2/12 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by Monitorman View Post


That's interesting. The Panasonic is clearly better on Contrast Ratio and overall color accuracy.

It is interesting . In overall video quality it was a tie.

In real world content experts had it a tie.
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post #1933 of 12522
6/2/12 at 7:06am
I am not super surprised. I thought the d7000 was way better than the epinions made it sound. With the e series having considerably better blacks, it prolly is pretty sick. Comes down to fan favorites. I am a Panny fan but that's just me. Panny is winning the brand war based on support and reported longevity of product and the peeling issue last year didn't help either.
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post #1934 of 12522
6/2/12 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

I am not super surprised. I thought the d7000 was way better than the epinions made it sound. With the e series having considerably better blacks, it prolly is pretty sick. Comes down to fan favorites. I am a Panny fan but that's just me. Panny is winning the brand war based on support and reported longevity of product and the peeling issue last year didn't help either.

What honestly drove me to the VT50 over the E7000/E8000 this year was the rampant buzzing complaints on the E7000/E8000 boards. Yes, all plasmas buzz, but it sounds like the Samsungs have a serious issue with theirs being very audible from the viewing position... where as with my VT50, I can't hear anything unless I walk up to within 2 feet of it.

If I can make any suggestion to the VE shootout folks, it's this: add a category for "miscellaneous issues", or whatever you want to call it. As a customer, PQ is important to me, but only 2nd to deal-breaking issues like audible buzzing from the viewing position. I don't know if any issues of this nature were noticed during the shootout, but if they ever are, I'd love to see them highlighted, because they probably matter almost as much, if not more, than PQ to most people.
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post #1935 of 12522
6/2/12 at 11:34am
Topper --

I appreciate your posts and your honesty -- you're right, these panny plasmas are just going to be prone to IR. Ignorance IS bliss, and I'm going to stop looking for new IR on my VT30, stop thinking that buying a VT50 will get rid of my IR problems, as clearly the VT50 is capable of subtle IR that can be seen on slides or any block of light image in regular or BR scenes -- For those that do not have IR, 100% none after similar non-abusive viewing of tv programming as myself and Topper, congrats, you have a special batch of Panny plasmas that are flawless!

Focus on the center of the screen, enjoy the show, breathe, and move on, I get it now.
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post #1936 of 12522
6/2/12 at 11:52am
Good news: My 65VT50 finally arrived today.
Bad news: When turned on it just displayed the 7x blinking light.

Will be at least a week before a replacement can arrive.
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post #1937 of 12522
6/2/12 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

I also have to think this is fairly normal. Now I know some will interject that this logo data is simply ir that will go away, but my response will be "prove it"..

My response is that the TV has a useful lifespan of 100,000 hours till half brightness. For there to be permanent burn-in -- what you are insinuating -- the differential in pixel wear would have to be something in the multiple percent range to be detectable. There are 2000 hours of viewing per percentage of overall brightness of the display.

Therefore, for permanent burn in to occur, it should take around 5000 -- or more -- hours of a logo being displayed for it be permanently burned in.

My response is to you is prove your logos are burned in since we don't have your TV.

You're experience temporary image retention of the logos and it's likely that if you watched stuff without logos, you'd be unable to see them -- even on these grey slides -- after a few dozen hours.
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post #1938 of 12522
6/2/12 at 12:02pm
First of all, I have really enjoyed reading this forum... A lot helpful information here.


Here's my questions:

Is it normal for the fans to run all the time? Or, are the suppose to shut off once in awhile?

When I power the TV on I hear like a "double clicking" noise and it's a "single click" when I power it down. I figure it's normal, but want to make sure.

Thanks for the help.
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post #1939 of 12522
6/2/12 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by lkc View Post

First of all, I have really enjoyed reading this forum... A lot helpful information here.


Here's my questions:

Is it normal for the fans to run all the time? Or, are the suppose to shut off once in awhile?

When I power the TV on I hear like a "double clicking" noise and it's a "single click" when I power it down. I figure it's normal, but want to make sure.

Thanks for the help.

I have yet to notice the fans running on mine....however we do have a baby who makes a lot of noise so we have the volume fairly loud or we are watching a movie with the surround sound on...still you'd think I would have noticed?
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post #1940 of 12522
6/2/12 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

I have yet to notice the fans running on mine....however we do have a baby who makes a lot of noise so we have the volume fairly loud or we are watching a movie with the surround sound on...still you'd think I would have noticed?

Don't get me wrong, they're not loud and annoying by no means. I only heard them because I was looking behind the TV. I was just wondering if they run "non stop".

Thanks.
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post #1941 of 12522
6/2/12 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by lkc View Post

Don't get me wrong, they're not loud and annoying by no means. I only heard them because I was looking behind the TV. I was just wondering if they run "non stop".

Thanks.

If the fans are thermostatically controlled then they shouldn't run all the time. If you can hear the fans as soon as the set is turned on for the first time, then my guess is that they are not thermostatically controlled. That seems fine to me since a TV generates a pretty consistent amount of heat. Your room size and temperature can effect the need for cooling too.
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post #1942 of 12522
6/2/12 at 1:34pm
They always run -
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post #1943 of 12522
6/2/12 at 1:47pm
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They always run -


Perfect - Thank you very much.
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post #1944 of 12522
6/2/12 at 2:08pm
Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for some time already (2-3 years maybe).. Trying to absorb the knowledge and decide when I'd go for a new plasma. My old one is a really unimpressive Sanyo 50" 720p..

I FINALLY decided for the 65" VT50 and I just can't wait for the delivery next friday !!! The price is rather scary here in Canada, but at least I've been able to get 2 pairs of glasses free, great financing, delivery and a great deal on the center channel speaker I was missing.

I'll be posting pictures of my setup if anyone is interested! In the meantime I still have some paint and preparation to do before it comes in.
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post #1945 of 12522
6/2/12 at 3:22pm
Can someone with a 65vt50 let me know if the TV buzzes with a solid black image on the screen. My 65VT30 does that and it drives me crazy. I'm considering selling it and picking up the VT50, but I would like to find out if solid black images cause buzzing. Thanks so much.
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post #1946 of 12522
6/2/12 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by jeffscott72 View Post

Can someone with a 65vt50 let me know if the TV buzzes with a solid black image on the screen. My 65VT30 does that and it drives me crazy. I'm considering selling it and picking up the VT50, but I would like to find out if solid black images cause buzzing. Thanks so much.

My 65VT50 does not buzz at all,whether bright screen or dark scene
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post #1947 of 12522
6/2/12 at 3:52pm
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post #1948 of 12522
6/2/12 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Monitorman View Post

That's interesting. The Panasonic is clearly better on Contrast Ratio and overall color accuracy.

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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

It is interesting . In overall video quality it was a tie.

In real world content experts had it a tie.

The TC-P65VT50 won the shootout beating the Samsung UNES8000 in all categories except moving resolution (sharpness).
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...lity-shootout/
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post #1949 of 12522
6/2/12 at 4:37pm
Just ordered mine last night - 65". Will be setting it up in a week.
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post #1950 of 12522
6/2/12 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by daveyboypacheco View Post

The TC-P65VT50 won the shootout beating the Samsung UNES8000 in all categories except moving resolution (sharpness). Here's the link...
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...lity-shootout/

Those are the audience votes. The pros rated them the same for general content. My guess is that both sets were so good that, other than comparing them in individual categories, they look almost the same overall (at least to the pros).
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