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post #2371 of 13460
I am now looking for trouble which is half the problem with this forum. I am watching Netflix content right now. And I am quite content. The faces in Lie To Me look very very good, which is what I should be focusing on. Now all I can look at is walls and lights that I normally would not have. I can see noise in those area as I would expect. But now that is all I am looking at. If the e8000 does not have this background noise that sounds pretty impressive and somewhat hard to believe. But I have had enough. I am going back to enjoying my set. Good luck guys
post #2372 of 13460
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Originally Posted by imws View Post

He has a VT50 as I recall from reading this thread.
Any chance you can capture it with a decent camera and post it? It would be interesting to see.

Nope, it's during the fast shootout sequence when when the train is mostly dark, it's fast and I am a horrible photographer. IMO, although I was surprised and disappointed, this is not a deal breaker. I was really hoping that it was anything but the nature of the tv that produced the DSE and massive dithering. I was able to improve the image by going from THX bright room to THX Cinema and Custom. I don't watch in Vivid- ever. I also set brightness to 47 because the credits were showing a lighter inner box (much like the patterns used for adjusting contrast).

I would like to know if its the way the tv handles motion that is a contributing factor in both dithering and DSE, especially during dark scenes.
post #2373 of 13460
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

Ya, there is some truth to this. But the VT50 really softens the image with it's over dithering on noisy video (compressed picture).
Reality is mosy of us DON'T watch BR discs all the time, so this was a major oversight by Panasonic. And it'll be a consideration for everyone purchasing the TV.
And I wouldn't even bother trying to use any of the internal streaming on this TV, it just doesn't have good enough processing to clean up the video and make it presentable. Which is sad, pretty much renders the internal netflix/hulu type apps useless. I'm sure they will look pretty bad, I haven't tried them yet but I will this week.
I found using the block/alias/detail control in my AVR I could get it to look significantly better. The noise reduction in the Panasonic is basically non-existent. Controls are there but they don't do much. And the TV dulls a busy (compressed) picture terribly. Panasonic needs to step up their video processing for poor sources for 2013. I'll be sure to post that on HDJ in the 2013 thread they have.
I'm still thinking about returning this for a E8000, blacks are cool on the VT50. But a nice clean image which has pop is equally as important to me.

I see no softening of the picture what so ever. I have been watching everything from DIRECTV to Blu-Ray to MKV 1080p files and my picture is as sharp as a tack. I have even seen improvements on less then savory channels like ESPN and ABC, witch have always been bad in my area.
post #2374 of 13460
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Originally Posted by powermonkey24 View Post

I see no softening of the picture what so ever. I have been watching everything from DIRECTV to Blu-Ray to MKV 1080p files and my picture is as sharp as a tack. I have even seen improvements on less then savory channels like ESPN and ABC, witch have always been bad in my area.

Perception is everything. If you don't see it then you're not missing anything smile.gif

Opinions/perception aside the VT50 does soften a lot of material, you may not notice it or have a reference. But it's doing it. Anyone who has had another TV (Kuro, or E/D8000) to compare to will probably notice it. Most professional reviews have even mentioned it in detail, saying the VT50 just isn't good for poor sources. I'd say it's a fair assessment.
post #2375 of 13460
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

What do you own? It sounds as though you don't even own the VT50. Do you have an ST50 or GT50?
Sillysally owns a Pioneer Elite 141 and the VT50. He's also an accomplished amateur calibrator. Why such a strong reaction to his advise? From my personal mistakes I've learned that doing a user name search can sometimes avoid egg splatter. wink.gif

If you check the links at the bottom of Sillysally's post you will find his calibration numbers for the VT50 and the Kuro 141.


EDIT: The underlined portion was modified/added later. redface.gif
Edited by htwaits - 6/10/12 at 1:35pm
post #2376 of 13460
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Sillysally owns a Pioneer Elite 141 and the VT50. He's also an accomplished amateur calibrator. Why such a strong reaction to his advise? Doing a user name search can sometimes avoid egg splatter. wink.gif

I think I explained when I asked the question, no insult was intended. Why are you over reacting? I don't do background checks on everyone who posts. wink.gif
post #2377 of 13460
I've had my 65" VT50 for over a month and I am glad to report that I've not experienced any of the issues some mention on this thread. It's by far the best tv I've ever owned. biggrin.gif
post #2378 of 13460
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

I think I explained when I asked the question, no insult was intended. Why are you over reacting? I don't do background checks on everyone who posts. wink.gif
You're right. I've modified my post with this.
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From my personal mistakes I've learned that doing a user name search can sometimes avoid egg splatter. wink.gif

If you check the links at the bottom of Sillysally's post you will find his calibration numbers for the VT50 and the Kuro 141.


EDIT: The underlined portion was modified/added later. redface.gif
post #2379 of 13460
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

Perception is everything. If you don't see it then you're not missing anything smile.gif
Opinions/perception aside the VT50 does soften a lot of material, you may not notice it or have a reference. But it's doing it. Anyone who has had another TV (Kuro, or E/D8000) to compare to will probably notice it. Most professional reviews have even mentioned it in detail, saying the VT50 just isn't good for poor sources. I'd say it's a fair assessment.

Perception is everything. Everyone sees different things. I did in fact have a calibrated 111fd 9g kuro (modded 5020) and I did actually run them side by side. I found no such differences in any of the material. I think you must have a bad set or very different eyes from mine.

If my picture is soft, then I am digging soft.

I do not get tired of repeating that I do not miss my kuro one bit. Guess I could be ignorant as hell. But if that ignorance leaves me happy with my tv , I am happy to remain so. smile.gif
Edited by TopperMcFly - 6/10/12 at 5:37pm
post #2380 of 13460
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

....Most professional reviews have even mentioned it in detail, saying the VT50 just isn't good for poor sources. I'd say it's a fair assessment.
Any chance you can provide a review that mentions this, I'm interested in reading about in detail. This is in regard to the "soft" processing of poor signal sources. Thanks.
post #2381 of 13460
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Perception is everything. Everyone sees different things. I did in fact have a calibrated 111fd 9g kuro (modded 5020) and I did actually run them side by side. I found no such differences in any of the material. I think you must have a bad set or very different eyes from mine.
I have to also point out that if brightness is set to 47, something is flat out not making sense. A calibrated VT50 will be in the area of 80 +/- 10 at the most for brightness.
If my picture is soft, then I am digging soft.
I do not get tired of repeating that I do not miss my kuro one bit. Guess I could be ignorant as hell. But if that ignorance leaves me happy with my tv , I am happy to remain so. smile.gif

I think you might have missed that it's soft with a poor source. VT50 looks great with BR or a clean HDMI source. Nope no bad set here. I can even see the difference going into our local magnolia store. They have a E8000 and a VT50 sitting next to one another. The E8000 schools the VT50 with ESPN on and soccer when I was last there. I sat and played with the settings to no end, nothing helped. It's the same dulling of details I'm seeing at home, there's just a lot of dithering noise in this 50 series from the new drive system they used to get the deep blacks and "24k gradients" with bad sources. I don't notice it at all with good sources.

We can go back and forth all day, but I and many others have seen it,. Including a lot of professional calibrators; there's a bunch of online reviews that even say what I'm saying. I believe even D-nice said it was the most dithering he had ever seen on a Panasonic set.

VT50 is an awesome TV, but it's not flawless... I plan on enjoying "True Blood" on it tonight smile.gif

Anyway, like I said perception is everything If you don't notice it, it's not an issue. Don't let anyone take away your happy. But that doesn't mean some of what were talking about is not there, were not insane people making up stuff... smile.gif
Edited by SiGGy - 6/10/12 at 2:36pm
post #2382 of 13460
What are the right selections on the PS3 for a 65VT50 on the following Display settings:
1) RGB Full Range (HDMI). Options are "Full" or "Limited"
2) Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI). Options are "On" or "Off"
3) Deep Color Output (HDMI). Options are "Automatic" or "Off"

Would greatly appreciate help from the experts. biggrin.gif

Thanks in advance!
post #2383 of 13460
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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE View Post

They are not normal camera flashes. They are actually large strobe type lights that are placed throughout the arena.
Someone with more knowledge than I can elaborate.

You explained it well enough actually. They are called "strobes". They are fairly large, high-powered lights that act as camera flashes in that they illuminate in sync with the camera shutter. Professional photographers use them to get the amazing images you see in Sports Illustrated, et al. With them, it's possible to shoot at a high shutter speed -- to stop the action -- but also get enough light to capture all the detail. It's an amazing technology that's actually now decades old.

The question is whether the plasma is doing anything especially weird / annoying when displaying video showing the strobes. Normally, it's not especially different to me on my older set vs. anything I see in the stores. If things like the ABL is kicking in and darkening the display for a fraction of a second only to have the brightness pop back up, I can see how that would be a bit annoying. I also expect it's something most people would adapt to.

If this is really happening, it's going to be worse on hockey, where the ice is white vs. the basketball floor, which is light, but not white. Again, the extent to which this is actually a problem is hard to judge.
post #2384 of 13460
Anyone getting any motion blur? I all the sudden started getting motion blur from my D*tv receiver. Anyone have any suggestions? Im using the HR20 box

I dont notice this on my BDT320 dvd player, but I am also using a 1.4 hdmi cable, where on my receiver im using a hdmi 1.3.
post #2385 of 13460
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Originally Posted by SpiffX View Post

What are the right selections on the PS3 for a 65VT50 on the following Display settings:
1) RGB Full Range (HDMI). Options are "Full" or "Limited"
2) Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI). Options are "On" or "Off"
3) Deep Color Output (HDMI). Options are "Automatic" or "Off"
Would greatly appreciate help from the experts. biggrin.gif
Thanks in advance!

I answered over at HDJ too, but here you go:

1. Limited
2. Off
3. I leave mine on "Automatic," but i don't think it matters, as there aren't sources that support deep color (I think).
post #2386 of 13460
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Sillysally owns a Pioneer Elite 141 and the VT50. He's also an accomplished amateur calibrator. Why such a strong reaction to his advise? From my personal mistakes I've learned that doing a user name search can sometimes avoid egg splatter. wink.gif
If you check the links at the bottom of Sillysally's post you will find his calibration numbers for the VT50 and the Kuro 141.

EDIT: The underlined portion was modified/added later. redface.gif

Is there a full moon or something? Do you know how ridiculous this is? Why are you insisting on trying to stick "egg" to me? All I said is that it sounded like he didn't own a VT50 and I asked what he did own. It seems that I misinterpreted one statement , I think you misinterpreted my tone. If SS had, or has, a problem with my question then that would be something that we two can tend to.

Lastly, and finally, I was not insulting him, nor attacking him and I saw no reason to cya and/or click the unidentified links in his siggy either.
post #2387 of 13460
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

You explained it well enough actually. They are called "strobes". They are fairly large, high-powered lights that act as camera flashes in that they illuminate in sync with the camera shutter. Professional photographers use them to get the amazing images you see in Sports Illustrated, et al. With them, it's possible to shoot at a high shutter speed -- to stop the action -- but also get enough light to capture all the detail. It's an amazing technology that's actually now decades old.
The question is whether the plasma is doing anything especially weird / annoying when displaying video showing the strobes. Normally, it's not especially different to me on my older set vs. anything I see in the stores. If things like the ABL is kicking in and darkening the display for a fraction of a second only to have the brightness pop back up, I can see how that would be a bit annoying. I also expect it's something most people would adapt to.
If this is really happening, it's going to be worse on hockey, where the ice is white vs. the basketball floor, which is light, but not white. Again, the extent to which this is actually a problem is hard to judge.

To be exact, they are "arena strobes". The flashing effect of the strobes is even more annoying than the ABL. If you look very closely at BB games you'll see the strobes too but it doesn't trigger ABL that I notice.

Motion artifacts, etc.:
1. Blu-Ray discs - I output YCbCr 4:2:2 into an iScan Duo VP which in turn sends 1080p 4:2:2 to the VT50. I see a few problems but find nothing particularly distracting.
2. Cable content - My cable provider is so cheap they don't even have any 3D content so I can just imagine how much compression is going on in the signal transmission. Hockey rinks, race tracks, etc. often show artifacts and DSE. I watched the IndyCar race last night and the track was so bad it was hard to concentrate on the cars. I've used every combination of cable box output and video processing and there is little that can be done. The box is outputting 1080i YCbCr 4:4:4 and I have the VP convert to 1080p 4:2:2 as this seems to give me the least bad picture.
3. Over The Air - Better than cable in all aspects.

The VT50 is sensitive to quality of content.
post #2388 of 13460
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Lastly, and finally, I was not insulting him, nor attacking him and I saw no reason to cya and/or click the unidentified links in his siggy either.
You're right. One of Sillysally's links might come in handy for new VT50 owners..
Edited by htwaits - 6/10/12 at 9:42pm
post #2389 of 13460
I'm pretty sure that these white flashes are remote strobes used by Sports Illustrated and other major media outlets . I've been a professional newspaper shooter for 36 years and my paper has done this to arenas we shoot in. Usually it's two but more often four units mounted high up in the venue on the four corners of the floor/rink. These are very high powered flash units that recycle very fast, sometimes as quick as a second. Also, there is usually more than one set of strobes, sometimes as many as four so you may see a lot of very quick flashes that may appear long in duration but could just be two or three sets of lights firing in succession since all the units are on their own radio frequency. No one has ever said if the flashes they are seeing are rapid like an eye blink or a "I can count to two or three" before there is an image on their displays type of deal. I can see them all the time since I know what to look for which is kind of fun when there is a slow motion replay of a big play since I always watch to see where the strobes go off during the play and can usually tell what shooter was right on, close or way off clicking their shutter.
post #2390 of 13460
Sorry for repeating info already posted. Didn't read far enough down.
post #2391 of 13460
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

I answered over at HDJ too, but here you go:
1. Limited
2. Off
3. I leave mine on "Automatic," but i don't think it matters, as there aren't sources that support deep color (I think).

Greatly appreciate it Kevin. Would you mind sharing the rationale behind your answers? Not questioning, just like to know why stuff is the way it is... tongue.gif

Also, please let me know if you have any recommendations for the Video settings (e.g., upscaler, video output format, audio output format, etc).

Thanks again! wink.gif
post #2392 of 13460
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Originally Posted by dpeters11 View Post

I've noticed a few times, especially during a hockey game that the video flashes, I think it's try into compensate for brightness, but annoying. Is there anyway to reduce or eliminate this? It's not C.A.T.S., I turned that off to check.
It's not really a flicker, so not sure if it's the same thing others are talking about. It's not constant. More of a flash.
Also, I'm using Standard mode currently for TV.

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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE View Post

This has been discussed ad nauseum. It is due to the photographer flashed in the arena.

I've been wondering about this and came to the conclusion that it's photographer flashes--but I can't be 100% certain from my observations so I appreciate the second opinion.
post #2393 of 13460
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

What do you own? It sounds as though you don't even own the VT50. Do you have an ST50 or GT50?
I have a GT50, expecting the VT50 next week, my blu ray is BDT310 and no processing by my avr. Also, I do have the most current hdmi cables.
It is worse with brighter modes, as Flyguyjake sated. I was able to make some adjustments to lessen dithering but that wasn't what was most offensive - it was the DSE. I didn't have to strain to see it, it slapped me in the face. It is the first time I've seen it on a tv that I own. If you have the movie watch the shooting scene on the train in chapter 19.
I highly doubt that calibrating it will eliminate it since professionals have already commented that DSE and dithering is present. I've been watching this set for over a month now and I was really surprised tonight.

Yes I own a 65VT50, yes I am a DYI calibrator (I1Pro meter, Calmann 4.6.-- software), yes I have owned two 8G Kuro's and one 9G Kuro.

I have that movie on Blu Ray so I will check it out.
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

Ya, there is some truth to this. But the VT50 really softens the image with it's over dithering on noisy video (compressed picture).
Reality is mosy of us DON'T watch BR discs all the time, so this was a major oversight by Panasonic. And it'll be a consideration for everyone purchasing the TV.
And I wouldn't even bother trying to use any of the internal streaming on this TV, it just doesn't have good enough processing to clean up the video and make it presentable. Which is sad, pretty much renders the internal netflix/hulu type apps useless. I'm sure they will look pretty bad, I haven't tried them yet but I will this week.
I found using the block/alias/detail control in my AVR I could get it to look significantly better. The noise reduction in the Panasonic is basically non-existent. Controls are there but they don't do much. And the TV dulls a busy (compressed) picture terribly. Panasonic needs to step up their video processing for poor sources for 2013. I'll be sure to post that on HDJ in the 2013 thread they have.
I'm still thinking about returning this for a E8000, blacks are cool on the VT50. But a nice clean image which has pop is equally as important to me.

Yes my guess is you are somewhat correct, and this is what I said when I compared the Kuro to the VT50.
I am happy that I sold my 141 and got the VT50. Under controlled viewing conditions using well mastered HQ Blu Ray, imo the VT50 is more technically correct and has the ability to be very clear, detailed and great color keeping to what is intended to be seen, over the Kuro. However The Kuro is better when it comes to everyday use for TV or streaming from a computer and less than good lighting conditions.

I only use/d these displays in my man cave and mostly for Blu Ray movies with HQ sound.
Think of the VT50 as a very HQ sound system, meaning as long as you use HQ audio the sound system sounds better than you have ever heard, but when you use lower quality audio the sound system seems to be a little waist of money.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Sillysally owns a Pioneer Elite 141 and the VT50. He's also an accomplished amateur calibrator. Why such a strong reaction to his advise? From my personal mistakes I've learned that doing a user name search can sometimes avoid egg splatter. wink.gif
If you check the links at the bottom of Sillysally's post you will find his calibration numbers for the VT50 and the Kuro 141.

EDIT: The underlined portion was modified/added later. redface.gif

Thank You for setting the record straight.
Funny thing, before I saw your post I was going to reply. "Larry is 100% correct, look before you type. I am not, nor is Larry saying this to be a bad A**, all we are saying is don't trick bag yourself."
Why I was going to say the above quote was, lord knows I have gotten myself in this type of trick bag before. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Funny thing, before I saw your post I was going to reply. "Larry is 100% correct, look before you type. I am not, nor is Larry saying this to be a bad A**, all we are saying is don't trick bag yourself."
Why I was going to say the above quote was, lord knows I have gotten myself in this type of trick bag before. eek.gif
That's what I wanted to point out, because I've been in the same pit too, and probably at least once with you. tongue.gif
Edited by htwaits - 6/10/12 at 10:37pm
post #2395 of 13460
I recently purchased a 55GT50 and my wife and I have noticed that the screen is a greyish-green color when the unit is off. I know that the VT50 has a different filter, so I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the VT50 is the same? I am coming from a Sony LCD that was jet black when turned off, which although a relatively minor thing, it did look better.
post #2396 of 13460
I Got my 65 inches vt50 friday love the TV alot, but my set appears to have a few issues.

Buzzing: from what I've seen most owners can't hear buzzing 3 feet away from the tv when everything is on mute. In my case when the screen is white-ish or even in the menus, I can hear buzzing 12 feets away (in the hall) even with someone playing piano in the house at the same time.. So I guess it's not normal. Watching an action movie you can't really hear the buzzing, but what worries me is concerts, or slower pace movies which I tend to enjoy as well.

Dead pixels: got 3 of them. 2 are almost invisible and in a corner, but one is almost centered and just jump in my face frequently on semi-uniform color images like cartoons or anime...

A technician is coming tomorow, I'll ask very firmly for a replacement... wink.gif I do really love the tv and colors, but at that price, It'll be hard for me to settle for a set with such issues.
post #2397 of 13460
Has anybody that wall mounted the tv had an issue with the power cord? I mounted the 55" with the monoprice 5918 mount. I have a recessed power outlet behind the tv (right side of mount when looking at wall). The power cord sticks out of the recessed plug a good amount and hits the back of the tv. This causes the bottom of the brackets that attach to the tv to sit out from the wall about 1/4".
Is it possible to use a different power cord, or should I just leave it alone?

Thanks
post #2398 of 13460
I've had a TC-P65VT50 at the lake house for a couple weeks now. I'm really liking the picture. Was looking to program the universal remote and find that Panasonic has dropped support for discrete codes? Panasonic customer support is sending me this in writing. I'm in complete denial, can this be true? May have to send this back and look at other makes if the old codes at ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/Panasonic/Drivers/Monitors/Discrete-remote-control-codesProntoCCFformat.pdf no longer work. Any help appreciated.
post #2399 of 13460
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Originally Posted by Jimmy_R View Post

I've had a TC-P65VT50 at the lake house for a couple weeks now. I'm really liking the picture. Was looking to program the universal remote and find that Panasonic has dropped support for discrete codes? Panasonic customer support is sending me this in writing. I'm in complete denial, can this be true? May have to send this back and look at other makes if the old codes at ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/Panasonic/Drivers/Monitors/Discrete-remote-control-codesProntoCCFformat.pdf no longer work. Any help appreciated.

I use a Logitech Harmony 880 remote, and it works fine. However, the setup of that remote is largely automated (no codes), so I can't help you much other than to say some universal remotes work...
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Originally Posted by ryvore View Post

I can hear buzzing 12 feets away (in the hall) even with someone playing piano in the house at the same time.. So I guess it's not normal.
Might be your hearing. I have the same situation with my 65VT30. No one else in the house notices it except for me. TV techs couldn't hear it either. Good luck with the replacement, I hope you get one that doesn't drive you nuts.
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