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post #2851 of 12289
6/18/12 at 7:40am
And here we are again with you and your posts. When you don't like something, why do you have to insult it. Tired? Really? Yet you have the audacity to call me arrogant when I check you on your posts and then want to agree to disagree. The BS does not fly with me. Show respect and get it respect. Otherwise deal with what you get in return.
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As Rogo pointed out, we are filling up a thread defending a tired set that most people do not see has the clear advantage any more as an overall package.
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post #2852 of 12289
6/18/12 at 7:45am
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I do not hold anyone to accept what I post. I can only use my good name to attest that the images I posted very accurately reflect what I see with my own eyes in terms of black levels. I agree that pics on the web are not worth all that much. One monitor may display these pics differently than another. Either way, you can either see the bezel meet the screen or you can't.
I have gone out of my way to provide as accurate a photo as possible. I waited until it was perfectly dark out, used a tripod to mount my Canon T2i and took multiple exposures and used the ones that were the cleanest and most accurately reflected what my eyes saw. I can't do any more than that or expect anyone to take my word for it. It is what it is.
At the end of the day, I maintain that these pics are 100% accurate. I have no loyalty to any one brand and no vested interest either. I just call em like I see em.

So you won't be upset when I say I can make out your bezel in certain area per my calibrated laptop and calibrated desktop monitor along with the blue hue of your grayscale (yes, I'm familiar with that show as I watch on occasion)?
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post #2853 of 12289
6/18/12 at 7:47am
To start you off on said path, start with disassembling your dispaly wink.gif
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'nuff said. Thanks for the input.
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post #2854 of 12289
6/18/12 at 7:48am
It will be a significant upgrade is size and PQ.
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I came from a 42" Panny plasma circa 2003, and I currently own a 50G10. Even 50" was too small about 1 hour after getting it. I am now seriously considering the new 65" VT50. Will I be completely blown away or will it not be that much of an upgrade? My 50G10 is barely over 2 years old at this point - from when I got it, not when it was made, that is.
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6/18/12 at 7:54am
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Do you mean currently in production? Your answer would be yes when it comes to flat panels.
Yes that's what I meant. As far as flat panels go (both LED/LCD and Plasmas) that are currently in production, would you rate the VT-50 #1 at this point? If so, then I feel a little better about my purchase today (which I pick up on Wednesday). I'm replacing a 70" Sharp LED with the 65" VT50. I still have 22 days on my Sharp return, so I'm planning on breaking in the VT-50 in a back room with slides while continuing to watch regular TV on my Sharp. Then, in about 15 days or so, I'll return my Sharp and roll with my broken-in VT-50. At least, that's what I have planned unless someone else has a better idea.
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post #2856 of 12289
6/18/12 at 7:57am
What flys with you and does not is not a concern of mine. The Kuro is a great OLD display that does not hold the lead that you think it does. My Kuro is where it belongs... in someone elses living room now that I have a display that I greatly prefer and just happens to be larger.

We can go on with my monitor is more calibrated than your monitor. But I think everyone is pretty clear where we both stand on this subject.

For anyonhe who is not clear.

D-Nice= Kuro is vastly superior to the VT50

TopperMcFly= Kuro is only a little better but I prefer the added real estate of the VT50

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post #2857 of 12289
6/18/12 at 8:05am
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Yes that's what I meant. As far as flat panels go (both LED/LCD and Plasmas) that are currently in production, would you rate the VT-50 #1 at this point?
I already did.... at the shootout smile.gif
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6/18/12 at 8:07am
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I already did.... at the shootout smile.gif
I have NO idea what that means. But good to know you like it that much! smile.gif
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post #2859 of 12289
6/18/12 at 8:08am
Here you go again. I'm not sure who you are attempting to upset, but your analogies of "tried" and "old" just make you look foolish. Give it up as the only things that are "tired" and "old" are your posts.
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What flys with you and does not is not a concern of mine. The Kuro is a great OLD display that does not hold the lead that you think it does. My Kuro is where it belongs... in someone elses living room now that I have a display that I greatly prefer and just happens to be larger.
We can go on with my monitor is more calibrated than your monitor. But I think everyone is pretty clear where we both stand on this subject.
For anyonhe who is not clear.
D-Nice= Kuro is vastly superior to the VT50
TopperMcFly= Kuro is only a little better but I prefer the added real estate of the VT50
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6/18/12 at 8:08am
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I have NO idea what that means. But good to know you like it that much! smile.gif
You don't know what the shootout is? Google 2012 Flat Panel Shootout.
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6/18/12 at 8:12am
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You don't know what the shootout is? Google 2012 Flat Panel Shootout.
Dude - I don't know JACK about ANY of this stuff. I'm as noobie as noobie can get. That's why I'm relying on you guys for help. I know what I don't know - and I would never pretend otherwise.biggrin.gif
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6/18/12 at 8:13am
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Here you go again. I'm not sure who you are attempting to upset, but your analogies of "tried" and "old" just make you look foolish. Give it up as the only things that are "tired" and "old" are your posts.

Your kuro protection button is way too touchy. Its not worth getting so worked up over little old me and my opinion of the precious. Let's let others decide who sounds foolish as you and I are both biased.
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6/18/12 at 8:21am
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Actually it is 100% correct. Every single plasma ever made buzzes. It is 100% inherent to the tech. Wheather or not you personally hear it would be dependent on your hearing capabilities and room size and acoustics.

Apparently you were not following our discussion very closely. rolleyes.gif
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6/18/12 at 8:31am
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Dude - I don't know JACK about ANY of this stuff. I'm as noobie as noobie can get. That's why I'm relying on you guys for help. I know what I don't know - and I would never pretend otherwise.biggrin.gif
Haha, ok. The Flat Panel Shootout is an annual event where the best displays of the year are put on a wall, calibrated and graded by calibrators and an audience of the press, enthusiasts and thoses who could be classifed as "joe six pack". This year's winner by both the calibrators and audience was the VT50. If you would like to know more about the event, just google it smile.gif
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6/18/12 at 8:31am
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Question:
Just bought a 65VT50. I need to keep the TV on the floor, can't wall mount. Does the 65VT50 come with a stand (pedastal) in the box? Or do I need to buy one?
Also, for proper viewing height, do I also need to purchase a table? Or will the stand be enough.
My current Samsung DLP has a 16.5-inch stand, which is a good height for viewing. So any recommendations for a sleek black table stand, perhaps something from Ikea or Best Buy, inexpensive, would also be appreciated (if I need a table). The Samsung DLP stand is pretty large and we simply won't need that much base anymore with this TV.

I've heard that the ideal height of the tv, is when you are seated and looking straight ahead, you should be looking at the screen that is 1/3 from the bottom.
Edited by CatBrat - 6/18/12 at 8:38am
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post #2866 of 12289
6/18/12 at 8:33am
Actually I was. Try reading the entire discussion followed by my post... which the primary auduence was those who are not aware of PDP buzz and not yourself.
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Apparently you were not following our discussion very closely. rolleyes.gif
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post #2867 of 12289
6/18/12 at 8:48am
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Haha, ok. The Flat Panel Shootout is an annual event where the best displays of the year are put on a wall, calibrated and graded by calibrators and an audience of the press, enthusiasts and thoses who could be classifed as "joe six pack". This year's winner by both the calibrators and audience was the VT50. If you would like to know more about the event, just google it smile.gif
Ahh - gotcha. Kind of a "beauty peagant of TVs". That's pretty cool.
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post #2868 of 12289
6/18/12 at 8:50am
You are the one who is touchy. Better yet you are and have been flat out disrespectful to Kuro owners... and you and others wonder why you receive the flak you do.

Not once have I called anything you own "tired, or "old". How many times have you used those words? Better yet how many times have you used derogatory adjectives to describe things you personally do not like in this thread? You have zero respect for what other's own and that is clear in your posts. What you call biased via my posts can be backed up with numbers. Can you say the same? I'll help you out since I've seen and calibrated more VT50 than you ever will.... you cannot. The only thing you can hang on to is your personal subjective opinion. Lets not forget that men lie, women lie, but the numbers don't. A gentelman of whom I calibrated their Sharp Elite this past weekend gave me some great constructive criticism. He stated that sometimes I don't know when to walk away from discussions like this. I'm going to take that advice and leave you hear kicking rocks. Enjoy.

And of others in this thread, I'll repeat what I've said in the past.... The VT50 has reference color just like the Kuro. The VT50 can, in mid and high APL, produce a dynamic range that would be visually indistiguishable from a Kuro. That is it.

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Your kuro protection button is way too touchy. Its not worth getting so worked up over little old me and my opinion of the precious. Let's let others decide who sounds foolish as you and I are both biased.
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6/18/12 at 9:07am
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You are the one who is touchy. Better yet you are and have been flat out disrespectful to Kuro owners... and you and others wonder why you receive the flak you do.
Not once have I called anything you own "tired, or "old". How many times have you used those words? Better yet how many times have you used derogatory adjectives to describe things you personally do not like in this thread? You have zero respect for what other's own and that is clear in your posts. What you call biased via my posts can be backed up with numbers. Can you say the same? I'll help you out since I've seen and calibrated more VT50 than you ever will.... you cannot. The only thing you can hang on to is your personal subjective opinion. Lets not forget that men lie, women lie, but the numbers don't. A gentelman of whom I calibrated their Sharp Elite this past weekend gave me some great constructive criticism. He stated that sometimes I don't know when to walk away from discussions like this. I'm going to take that advice and leave you hear kicking rocks. Enjoy.
And of others in this thread, I'll repeat what I've said in the past.... The VT50 has reference color just like the Kuro. The VT50 can, in mid and high APL, produce a dynamic range that would be visually indistiguishable from a Kuro. That is it.
So, I'm probably going to break in the TV with 100 hours of slides. Someone posted that you had calibration settings for the VT-50 after that time. Is that correct? What do I need to do to get them? Thanks.
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6/18/12 at 9:10am
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You are the one who is touchy. Better yet you are and have been flat out disrespectful to Kuro owners... and you and others wonder why you receive the flak you do.
Not once have I called anything you own "tired, or "old". How many times have you used those words? Better yet how many times have you used derogatory adjectives to describe things you personally do not like in this thread? You have zero respect for what other's own and that is clear in your posts. What you call biased via my posts can be backed up with numbers. Can you say the same? I'll help you out since I've seen and calibrated more VT50 than you ever will.... you cannot. The only thing you can hang on to is your personal subjective opinion. Lets not forget that men lie, women lie, but the numbers don't. A gentelman of whom I calibrated their Sharp Elite this past weekend gave me some great constructive criticism. He stated that sometimes I don't know when to walk away from discussions like this. I'm going to take that advice and leave you hear kicking rocks. Enjoy.
And of others in this thread, I'll repeat what I've said in the past.... The VT50 has reference color just like the Kuro. The VT50 can, in mid and high APL, produce a dynamic range that would be visually indistiguishable from a Kuro. That is it.

I am not upset at all. And I do not consider my past posts disrespectful in the least aside form the "old" comment. I actually get a lot of messages from people thanking me for helping them and not talking down to them. I am truly sorry that I called your set old if it bothers you that much. I am not sure where have I gotten flak from other than from you at times.

I do not view "numbers", I view content. That is all I need to rely on when I form my opinions.

Practice what you preach is what I will say. Read over your past posts for say the last 3 years. You will surely find that you have been quite abrassive, short and downright rude more times than I care to remember. There are a lot of people that come here without knowledge looking for guidance without being talked to like a two year old. I am happy to oblige them by talking to them as equals. You must realize this sometimes as your last few posts have been quite friendly after realizing you barked at Natedoggg. This does not counter in any way all of the good you do, but none of us are perfect here, with myself very much included.

I am not upset here kicking rocks. I am actually enjoying a show and eating left over eggs benedict from Fathers Day.
Edited by TopperMcFly - 6/18/12 at 9:31am
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6/18/12 at 9:10am
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So, I'm probably going to break in the TV with 100 hours of slides. Someone posted that you had calibration settings for the VT-50 after that time. Is that correct? What do I need to do to get them? Thanks.
Not just yet. I will be posting them on High Def Junkies (another A/V forum) near the end of the month. You probably will have to google High Def Junkies smile.gif
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6/18/12 at 9:18am
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And of others in this thread, I'll repeat what I've said in the past.... The VT50 has reference color just like the Kuro. The VT50 can, in mid and high APL, produce a dynamic range that would be visually indistiguishable from a Kuro. That is it.

I have to agree 100% with this statement. The picture is very kuro like until a low APL scene.

D-Nice - anyway to mimic the VT50 black level with a kuro? Say turning the brightness up a notch or two? If the VT50 ISF Night black level can equal the Kuro black level when in ISF Day mode, that is probably good enough for me.
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6/18/12 at 9:18am
D-Nice, do you think that Panasonic will uncap luminance? Are those who can influence pushing them to fix it? Or is is it hopeless to wait for that fix?
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6/18/12 at 9:22am
Originally Posted by D-Nice

And of others in this thread, I'll repeat what I've said in the past.... The VT50 has reference color just like the Kuro. The VT50 can, in mid and high APL, produce a dynamic range that would be visually indistiguishable from a Kuro. That is it.
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I have to agree 100% with this statement. The picture is very kuro like until a low APL scene.
D-Nice - anyway to mimic the VT50 black level with a kuro? Say turning the brightness up a notch or two? If the VT50 ISF Night black level can equal the Kuro black level when in ISF Day mode, that is probably good enough for me.

Thats the thing, I agree 100% with this statement as well. I used some words he did not like and I meant no offence. We really are not far apart on our opinions of the VT50 in my mind. I guess it is the way we express our opinions that rub the wrong way at times. Its all good in my mind. There is a reason I owned a kuro for three years. I never stated that I stepped up in PQ going to the VT50. I only said I was happy enough with it that I did not miss the kuro.
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6/18/12 at 9:29am
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I have to agree 100% with this statement. The picture is very kuro like until a low APL scene.
D-Nice - anyway to mimic the VT50 black level with a kuro? Say turning the brightness up a notch or two?
Yes. 2-4 above where it should be would show you what a VT50 looks like.
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If the VT50 ISF Night black level can equal the Kuro black level when in ISF Day mode, that is probably good enough for me.
MLL should be the same regardless of light output on both the VT50 and Kuro.
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post #2876 of 12289
6/18/12 at 9:29am
Uncap luminance? NA VT50s do not have any brightness caps.
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D-Nice, do you think that Panasonic will uncap luminance? Are those who can influence pushing them to fix it? Or is is it hopeless to wait for that fix?
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post #2877 of 12289
6/18/12 at 9:47am
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D-Nice - anyway to mimic the VT50 black level with a kuro? Say turning the brightness up a notch or two?.

Not trying to start more trouble, but I find this to be completely misleading. Both my Kuro and VT50 would show huge degredation in blacks going up even 1 click from the sweet spot. There is no amount of "Data" you clould throw at me to convince me that there is a 4 click advantage. I might buy 2 clicks on the outside, but unless I had a defective Kuro, 4 clicks is in no way accurate. You can't blend with the bezel and be 4 clicks brighter. It's just not going to happen. But who am I to say. Mine is just another opinion that holds as much weight as the digital characters I am dropping down.
I promise I am not trying to be difficult.
Edited by TopperMcFly - 6/18/12 at 10:15am
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6/18/12 at 9:57am
Since you just have to be a part of the conversation, let me know when you figure out that the Contrast control dictates light output and not the Brightness control.

jbrady3324, the MLL would be the same with 50fL of light output as it would be with 30fL.

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Not trying to start more trouble, but I find this to be completely misleading. Both my Kuro and VT50 would show huge degredation in blacks going up even 1 click from the sweet spot. There is no amount of "Data" you clould throw at me to convince me that there is a 4 click advantage. I might buy 2 clicks on the outside, but unless I had a defective Kuro, 4 clicks is in no way accurate. You can't blend with the bezel and be 4 clicks brighter. It's just not going to happen. But who am I to say. Mine is just another opinion that holds as much weight as the digital characters I am dropping down.
I promise I am not trying to be difficult.
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6/18/12 at 10:04am
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MLL should be the same regardless of light output on both the VT50 and Kuro.

I should have known that!
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6/18/12 at 10:08am
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D-Nice - anyway to mimic the VT50 black level with a kuro? Say turning the brightness up a notch or two?

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Yes. 2-4 above where it should be would show you what a VT50 looks like.

Sorry, I see that I quoted the wrong post. The above is what I was talkling about which was quite obvious. 2 maybe 4 no.
Edited by TopperMcFly - 6/18/12 at 10:24am
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