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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I guess this is directed at me.
Let's be clear on a couple of things:
1: Because I can clearly hear the TV buzz with a white screen and no volume, in your mind this TV should be exchanged.
2: I didn't call anyone a "defective person" or "untruthful".

No, my post was not intended for you alone.

It is my opinion, that you should only exchange the tv if you find it bothersome, it's your choice to live with it or not. I don't think that others should be encouraged to keep a tv with buzzing that bothers them, especially when it is not a "feature" of the make or model. Yes, there is a certain reasonableness that should be employed, however that reasonableness does not extend to hearing it under normal conditions- not for a Panasonic, maybe a Samsung, but not this year's Panasonic.

No you didn't exactly use the words "defective" or "untruthful" but your statements (and you are not alone) seem to imply as much.
BTW, I'd be interested in seeing the data that supports your "placebo effect" claim.
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Originally Posted by CatBrat View Post

The buzzing seems to vary a lot from panel to panel. My 65VT50 is hanging on the living room wall. With only the solid white slide playing and no other noise or volume playing anywhere, both my GF and myself can only hear buzzing noise when we put our ears in the space between TV and wall.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Does it? Is there anything resembling evidence to back that up?
I'm not saying you're wrong. But I'm finding myself skeptical of this claim right now. I have a pretty good handle on when mine buzzes and how audible it is. I've given some consideration to exchanging it except that I'm fairly convinced that it's a waste of time. There's a huge placebo effect when people change out a TV. So I'm really curious if anyone has done anything to actually test whether there is any variance.

Now, none of what I said was meant to be an insult. I am simply asking that people stop challenging those who don't hear the buzz so that they can justify the buzz they own and choose to keep. Just as we believe those who claim that their tv buzzes, I think that those who don't have buzzer be given the same consideration. I'm sorry if there are people who have a negative reaction when I suggest that a person exchange the tv instead of trying to convince them to keep it. I won't buy a Samsung because the chances are great that I will receive a buzzer, and I suspect that there are some who by Panasonic for the very same reason. I'd like to keep it that way and he best way to do so is to send the buzzers back.

Lastly, I do believe that there may be a small portion of people whose ability to hear, or not hear, it is directly related to the individual's ability to experience the buzz under normal circumstances, but I don't think this element is very much different than those who experience phosphor trails.

It may be a good idea to take a step back like I had to do the other day. There is no big deal here. As substantiated by D-Nice not long ago: D-Nice Quote "Actually it is 100% correct. Every single plasma ever made buzzes. It is 100% inherent to the tech. Wheather or not you personally hear it would be dependent on your hearing capabilities and room size and acoustics." They all buzz. Some just may buzz far less than others. You seem to be lucky with one of the "far less" ones.

 

I happen to think mine is a very quiet one, but this morning I used the TV speakers instead of my AVR and had volume just loud enough to hear dialogue. I could hear the buzzing change pitch at every scene transition. I would normally never hear that but some people actually do listen with volume super low. ie... my mother. lol She would constantly hear buzzing on my set if she owned it.

 

Arguments about other peoples perseption of things never quite tend to go well as proven by this thread. Hand held up as a guilty party.

 

No big deal


Edited by TopperMcFly - 6/22/12 at 8:50am
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Sorry new to the forum....Just received 65VT50 and have about 10 hours on it.

Has anyone have issues with the picture looking dull and very dark in some instances (Watching the NBA game and the picture was not clear).

I tried to see if a Blueray movie would improve but there was still a dullness (Face were not crisp) to the picture. The picture doesn't look as clear as i would have expected. My older 50inch picture, using same hookup, looked much clearer.

Is there any settings that will improve picture quality? Will calibration help picture quality or does that just optimize color?

Thoughts?
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My 65VT50 has arrived.. it is still in the crate but just turned it on to run the break-in slides to check for issues. None so far and I can't hear any buzzing at all.. contrast is at 100.

Any risk to running the TV while in the crate?

More updates later
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by anwar79 View Post

Sorry new to the forum....Just received 65VT50 and have about 10 hours on it.
Has anyone have issues with the picture looking dull and very dark in some instances (Watching the NBA game and the picture was not clear).
I tried to see if a Blueray movie would improve but there was still a dullness (Face were not crisp) to the picture. The picture doesn't look as clear as i would have expected. My older 50inch picture, using same hookup, looked much clearer.
Is there any settings that will improve picture quality? Will calibration help picture quality or does that just optimize color?

Thoughts?

What settings are you using that would help tremendously and what tv did you previously have.
post #3275 of 12245
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Originally Posted by Figaro72 View Post

Hi everyone, new poster, learned a lot here before buying my new 55" VT50. Now I have a question: my new set has a line across the top of the viewable image on some channels. It is related to something in the picture in that the colors are similar from somewhere lower on the screen. For example, if the top of the picture is dark, but there are white and red colors lower down on the screen, then this thin line across the top will have some white and red colors in it. If the top of the image is dark, this kind of thing shows up very strongly against the picture and the black bezel. Have any of you seen something similar or have any ideas on how to fix it? It doesn't appear on all channels, but enough to be really annoying. Thank you.

What you are seeing is noise artefacts in the transmission signal, and while undesirable, completely normal. Happens on many cable / satellite channels, at the top/bottom of the picture on some channels and on the left/right edge on others. Go into Menu>Picture>Aspect Adjustment and change the "HD Size" to "Size 1". This setting causes a 5% zoom in the picture and thus cuts off the top/bottom/left/right edges where the noise is located. Just remember to switch it to "Size 2" when watching a BluRay signal (which doesn't have these noise artefacts).
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^^^^^^  What he said smile.gif

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I have been trying to keep a more open mind regarding the panning issues being reported. I have found a few movies and some sat content that have some pretty messy pans. I do find some almost have a choppy wobble effect. I found them to be a bit perplexing but not super unusual. At any rate, I threw them in to the before mentioned Sony and found that these pans were still a huge mess but not in the same way. I am not sure if I am seeing the same thing or not. I wish Hollywood would simply switch to a higher frame rate so these pan problems would be a non-issue.

I will try to get the blue ray that you guys are reporting and see if that makes a diff.
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I would take it out the crate so it can vent
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Has anyone run the 100 hour break in slides on their TV once it was mounted on the wall or do you just do it on the stand and then mount it after the break in is complete? I am going to be mounting my TV and I am thinking it might not be a good idea to run the break in slides with it mounted since there won't be as good of air flow around the TV.
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Go ahead and mount it on the wall it makes no diffrence either way.
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Just received my replacement 65VT50 today,it took about a week from amazon.delivery was smooth they gave me the new one helped me mount it and packed up the defective one and went on thier way.Of course I gave each guy a tip.Now it's time to break this baby in before I get it calibrated.
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Originally Posted by dvdmd1 View Post

Just received my replacement 65VT50 today,it took about a week from amazon.delivery was smooth they gave me the new one helped me mount it and packed up the defective one and went on thier way.Of course I gave each guy a tip.Now it's time to break this baby in before I get it calibrated.

What wall mount are you using? What was defective on your first 65VT50?
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It's going to go around the world and will show up in a thread for the 2013 models. wink.gif

Well, I was going to mention to you when you had that leaning GT50 to be careful: the pixels might all shift to one side.

But you traded that one for the VT50 so all's well...

wink.gif
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I'm using the VideoSecu Tilt TV Wall Mount for Most 32"-65" LCD LED Plasma TV Flat Screen.It comes with spacers so the tv can be mounted a half inch more off the wall and it can also tilt. The one I returned had the NBC logo on the right side that would not go away.I called amazon a they ordered a replacement right away.
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Originally Posted by dvdmd1 View Post

Just received my replacement 65VT50 today,it took about a week from amazon.delivery was smooth they gave me the new one helped me mount it and packed up the defective one and went on thier way.Of course I gave each guy a tip.Now it's time to break this baby in before I get it calibrated.

Amazon (prime account) delivered mine as well and they did not help me put it on the stand. I even offered them some money and still no help. ugh
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Originally Posted by DrRx View Post

What you are seeing is noise artefacts in the transmission signal, and while undesirable, completely normal. Happens on many cable / satellite channels, at the top/bottom of the picture on some channels and on the left/right edge on others. Go into Menu>Picture>Aspect Adjustment and change the "HD Size" to "Size 1". This setting causes a 5% zoom in the picture and thus cuts off the top/bottom/left/right edges where the noise is located. Just remember to switch it to "Size 2" when watching a BluRay signal (which doesn't have these noise artefacts).

Thx DrRx great info
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Anyone noticed noise on screen in THX Cinema mode? Might need to look quite close to the screen (within 2-3 feet)
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Originally Posted by azurisk View Post

Anyone noticed noise on screen in THX Cinema mode? Might need to look quite close to the screen (within 2-3 feet)

Thats normal - its the dithering process Panasonic plasmas uses to get a larger color palette.
Just view it from a regular viewing distance, not extremely up close.
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Originally Posted by dvdmd1 View Post

I'm using the VideoSecu Tilt TV Wall Mount for Most 32"-65" LCD LED Plasma TV Flat Screen.It comes with spacers so the tv can be mounted a half inch more off the wall and it can also tilt. The one I returned had the NBC logo on the right side that would not go away.I called amazon a they ordered a replacement right away.
Keep us posted how this one does. So far I have not had any IR that does not wash after 30 min or so of full screen content. I've been watching movies (black bars) and playing MW3 here and there and have been grabbing something from my DVR to play afterwards to wash and it has been fine. No slides, no low settings, just plugged in wmwilker's settings and started enjoying my TV like a normal non-paranoid avs'r:eek:
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Originally Posted by jp0213x View Post

Did BB match Paul's online price or in store price? I don't know why Paul's price is cheaper online over in store.

Online price.

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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

What wall mount did you use and how did you determine where to put the mount since you didn't have the TV? I want to go ahead and mount my 500M until I get my 65VT50 but I don't want to have to move the wall mount once I mount the VT50 so I am a little tentative that I won't know exactly how high I would need to put the mount.

I used the overpriced rocketfish mount (for up to a 56" TV). It was easily available, so I picked it up at BB for $129. Typical mounting height is 3-4ft. I just judged from sitting on my couch where I'll be viewing the TV and adjusted for dead center and mounted the mount on the wall.
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

What settings are you using that would help tremendously and what tv did you previously have.

Here are the settings:
Contrast +80
Brightness +52
Color +50
tint 0
Sharpness +50
Cool 1
Cats off
Video NR Off

Advanced Picture
Block NR Off
Mosquito NR Off
Motion Smoother Weak
Black Level Light

Those were the only options available to change while hooked up to the Directv reciever.

Old TV was a Panasonic Plasme TH-50PX60U

Any help will be great.
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I still have this question: How do I enable the motion smoother? It is greyed out for me.
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Originally Posted by MisterBaz View Post

I still have this question: How do I enable the motion smoother? It is greyed out for me.

Look under Custom mode.
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My 65VT50 was delivered this morning. It appears to be in perfect condition! I was super nervous about receiving a set with cracks or other sorts of damage. I had three failed deliveries last year with the VT30. I ended up buying local after the third broken set.

I am now running the break in slides from D-Nice's thread over on High Def Junkies. The 100 hour wait is going to hurt. I am thrilled that the vt50 doesn't buzz loudly on solid black screens like my former VT30, only on the bright white/grey slides which is normal.
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I love Target stores. They are always mis-marking something. They had Tron Legacy 3D in a slot that said Tron 3D and marked with a price of $22.99. It rang up at $34.99. After fussing with the person in charge for a few seconds, she just let me have it for $22.99.

It's a fun place to shop.
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Welcome to all the new owners!
post #3297 of 12245
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

No, my post was not intended for you alone.
It is my opinion, that you should only exchange the tv if you find it bothersome, it's your choice to live with it or not. I don't think that others should be encouraged to keep a tv with buzzing that bothers them, especially when it is not a "feature" of the make or model. Yes, there is a certain reasonableness that should be employed, however that reasonableness does not extend to hearing it under normal conditions- not for a Panasonic, maybe a Samsung, but not this year's Panasonic. No you didn't exactly use the words "defective" or "untruthful" but your statements (and you are not alone) seem to imply as much.

I think you'll find me in the group of people that for years has been explaining that 100% of plasma TVs buzz. They just do. It's like the proverbial tree falling in the forest. It really does make a sense, whether or not said sound is heard. It becomes challenging to be overly polite about this matter. But I think you're reading way too much into my statements.
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BTW, I'd be interested in seeing the data that supports your "placebo effect" claim.

It's proven in scientific literature that taking action is perceived by people to have results whether or not the action has any effect. People who exchange their TVs are therefore more likely to believe their TV is improved, whether or not it's improved.
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Now, none of what I said was meant to be an insult. I am simply asking that people stop challenging those who don't hear the buzz so that they can justify the buzz they own and choose to keep. Just as we believe those who claim that their tv buzzes, I think that those who don't have buzzer be given the same consideration. I'm sorry if there are people who have a negative reaction when I suggest that a person exchange the tv instead of trying to convince them to keep it. I won't buy a Samsung because the chances are great that I will receive a buzzer, and I suspect that there are some who by Panasonic for the very same reason. I'd like to keep it that way and he best way to do so is to send the buzzers back.
Lastly, I do believe that there may be a small portion of people whose ability to hear, or not hear, it is directly related to the individual's ability to experience the buzz under normal circumstances, but I don't think this element is very much different than those who experience phosphor trails.

I don't see these phosphor trails that some people see. I did always see DLP rainbows. I never bought a DLP TV. I suggest people with similar plasma-related issues avoid plasma TVs.

I'll effort to get to Magnolia this weekend if I can to see a VT50 there. I'll let you know if I find its volume any different than mine. I'll also offer to visit anyone in the area who has a new one for some comparison testing. We can try to do a sound-meter test as well.
post #3298 of 12245
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I think you'll find me in the group of people that for years has been explaining that 100% of plasma TVs buzz. They just do. It's like the proverbial tree falling in the forest. It really does make a sense, whether or not said sound is heard. It becomes challenging to be overly polite about this matter. But I think you're reading way too much into my statements.

Yes, plasmas buzz and I've have yet to say that mine doesn't at all. If it becomes challenging to be overly polite about this matter for you then you understand how I feel as well.
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It's proven in scientific literature that taking action is perceived by people to have results whether or not the action has any effect. People who exchange their TVs are therefore more likely to believe their TV is improved, whether or not it's improved.

Sorry but your logic is bad but I guess it does explain why you think the average Panasonic sounds like yours does. rolleyes.gif
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I don't see these phosphor trails that some people see. I did always see DLP rainbows. I never bought a DLP TV. I suggest people with similar plasma-related issues avoid plasma TVs.
I'll effort to get to Magnolia this weekend if I can to see a VT50 there. I'll let you know if I find its volume any different than mine. I'll also offer to visit anyone in the area who has a new one for some comparison testing. We can try to do a sound-meter test as well.

You crack me up. Why is it really difficult for you to accept that many of us cannot hear the buzz from our seated positions and only hear it within a 1 foot radius (I being generous with that)? I wonder, how do you explain that there are people who buy Panasonic to avoid the buzz? And please don't misconstrue this, they do buzz when you put your ear near them, either in back and some from the front too. I am in no way insinuating that you are exaggerating either, I believe that your buzz can be heard just the way you say it can be. I hope and pray that the one they're delivering on Monday does not buzz like yours. I hope you won't assume that it's only psychosomatic if it doesn't. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by CatBrat View Post

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TY-ER3D4MU-Active-Shutter-Eyewear/dp/B007EHI1DK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1340299056&sr=1-1&keywords=3d+glasses+for+panasonic+viera+plasma+vt50
These are the ones designed for the 2012 Panasonic Viera Plasma's. I have 2 of them, and they work great. I plan on ordering more.

know of any place that might give a discount for ordering 4 or more?
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im having bad juttering of objects and the objects shake like when watching nature shows on dtv and netflix it looks horrible esp wild china part one half way threw there is a scene where its going down the river horz pan shot and the large rock was shaking like crazy it sucks when ur buddy is over to check out your tv and i wanted to show him nature scenes and that happened embarassing
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