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post #3421 of 13486
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

Talon1, to further reassure you, I will let you know that I upgraded from a VT25 to the VT50, and the floating blacks (rampant on my VT25) are no longer an issue.

Excellent! I can sleep peacefully now lol biggrin.gif
post #3422 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I noticed my screen is exactly centered within the bezel. The gap (where the pixels meet the black part bezel) on the left and right side are not the same. The right side is a tad wider. The gap on the bottom of the screen is much larger than the top and much larger than the right and left. Is that normal?

Normal. That is why they have a gap in the first place, to accomodate an imperfect union of the panel to the frame. Should not be able to see the diff while viewing content. smile.gif
post #3423 of 13486
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Normal. That is why they have a gap in the first place, to accomodate an imperfect union of the panel to the frame. Should not be able to see the diff while viewing content. smile.gif

I figure that, but I can see a difference in gap width during viewing. The right and left side difference is only detectable if you try to detect it, however the gap at the bottom is without a doubt present and larger. Attached 2 pictures

IMG_0495.JPG 1807k .JPG file IMG_0498.jpg 4447k .jpg file IMG_0499.jpg 4244k .jpg file
Edited by jbrady3324 - 6/25/12 at 12:31pm
post #3424 of 13486
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Originally Posted by SpiffX View Post

When we tested for buzz, the TV was in an open family room (16' x 16' and open to the kitchen, foyer and dining rooms), sitting on a carpeted floor, about one feet from a wall that has windows starting at around 18" from the floor.
I can test it again when we place it in a sound isolated Media Room with carpet and furniture.

That's helpful info. You have carpeting, which is a fairly good absorber of at least some sound, I have laminate floors, which are not. I also have the TV up next to a brick-and-glass-fronted fireplace with a section of brick that overhangs. It creates a very small echo chamber for sound coming off the back of the TV.

I should note, again, that under normal circumstances you can't hear the TV making sound. But if the room is completely quiet and the screen goes white, you can hear it out to 10ish feet. It's also worth noting that the TVs have fans that seem to run constantly (can anyone confirm?), so they are never completely silent at close range. That said, the fan noise is inaudible with any kind of distance; the white-screen buzzing is audible in the circumstances I describe -- and only those.
post #3425 of 13486
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

First, welcome. Second, I would jump all over that if it is free. Just keep an eye on them. lol smile.gif

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Originally Posted by CHG View Post

I have been wondering this, too. Looks like they offer this to silver reward members, now. Not sure what the calibration includes as it just states TV calibration once a year. So, not sure it amounts to much. Plus from what I have heard, not sure if I want them touching my set.

Yes, free for silver reward members. I happened to have bought a nice camera and some drum equipment from them in the same year which qualified me.

I scheduled the appointment for two weeks. They're going to ask a series of "lifestyle questions" (sports, movies, or reality TV..? during the day or at night..? ), check/verify all my cables and connections, check/verify my Harmony remote configuration, and then calibrate the TV. This is what I'm most interested in. I'll watch them closely and record all the changes, and then let you guys know how it went. Has anyone else had BB out, and how did it go?
post #3426 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Normal. That is why they have a gap in the first place, to accomodate an imperfect union of the panel to the frame. Should not be able to see the diff while viewing content. smile.gif

I figure that, but I can see a difference in gap width during viewing. The right and left side difference is only detectable if you try to detect it, however the gap at the bottom is without a doubt present and larger. Attached 2 pictures

IMG_0495.JPG 1807k .JPG file IMG_0498.jpg 4447k .jpg file IMG_0499.jpg 4244k .jpg file

I might actually suggest returning that unit. That is a pretty signifigant difference. But Panny may say that the picture is not obstructed so it is not a problem in their eyes. If you got it from Amazon, they would not think twice in letting you send that back. Personal choice. If it bothers you, run with an exchange. You laid down some serious change for that bad boy. But be prepared to possibly get a set with a different issue. GL bro
post #3427 of 13486
I just finished running the slides on my 65VT50 in my den that was delivered last week and finally have a chance to have a good look at it. I've used some of the settings found in the settings thread and I have to say that, while it's early in the game, I'm pleased with what I'm seeing. I have a Kuro in my basement and was afraid that the VT50 might be a little bit disappointing in comparison but over all, to my eyes, it seems to hold its own just fine. I think the Kuro is a bit deeper in blacks but the VT50 seems pretty close. I'm lucky in that it doesn't have any significant buzz, dead pixels or any other issues that I can see. I guess I'm now eagerly awaiting the post slide settings from D-Nice and will mess with what I have in the mean time.
post #3428 of 13486
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

I might actually suggest returning that unit. That is a pretty signifigant difference. But Panny may say that the picture is not obstructed so it is not a problem in their eyes. If you got it from Amazon, they would not think twice in letting you send that back. Personal choice. If it bothers you, run with an exchange. You laid down some serious change for that bad boy. But be prepared to possibly get a set with a different issue. GL bro

Im thinking about it. Is your gap on the bottom of TV that big? That bothers me the most, but the fact that the gaps are different on all sides also bothers me. If you look closely at the bottom gap, there are unused pixels there.

Other than that, the TV is issue free (so far)
Edited by jbrady3324 - 6/25/12 at 1:41pm
post #3429 of 13486
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Originally Posted by CHG View Post

I have been wondering this, too. Looks like they offer this to silver reward members, now. Not sure what the calibration includes as it just states TV calibration once a year. So, not sure it amounts to much. Plus from what I have heard, not sure if I want them touching my set.

I got an email the other day saying they were uping the return policy to 60 days and adding some other features like TV calibration. The Geek Squad calibrator is supposed to be ISF certified but I have heard some horror stories so I don't know how much good it will do. I mean it’s worth a shot since it’s free but you may not get the same results you would from a “pro” calibrator.
post #3430 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I figure that, but I can see a difference in gap width during viewing. The right and left side difference is only detectable if you try to detect it, however the gap at the bottom is without a doubt present and larger. Attached 2 pictures
IMG_0495.JPG 1807k .JPG file IMG_0498.jpg 4447k .jpg file IMG_0499.jpg 4244k .jpg file

That looks pretty minor to me, and I'm often anal about small imperfections. As long as you're getting all the horizontal lines and there are no other defects, I wouldn't return it unless it's something that is going to forever bug you.
Edited by RWetmore - 6/25/12 at 2:05pm
post #3431 of 13486
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I figure that, but I can see a difference in gap width during viewing. The right and left side difference is only detectable if you try to detect it, however the gap at the bottom is without a doubt present and larger. Attached 2 pictures
IMG_0495.JPG 1807k .JPG file IMG_0498.jpg 4447k .jpg file IMG_0499.jpg 4244k .jpg file

That looks pretty minor to me, and I'm often anal about minor imperfections. As long as you're getting all the horizontal lines and there are no other defects, I wouldn't return it unless it's something that is going to forever bug you.

Yeah, if you can see the whole pic, you will prolly stop noticing it. But it bothers me bit that you say there are unused pixels at the bottom. Are you sure about that? I am away on business but I don't remember seeing anything like that. Are you seeing something in the bottom gap of black that is different from the the other three sides?
post #3432 of 13486
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Yeah, if you can see the whole pic, you will prolly stop noticing it. But it bothers me bit that you say there are unused pixels at the bottom. Are you sure about that? I am away on business but I don't remember seeing anything like that. Are you seeing something in the bottom gap of black that is different from the the other three sides?

I was mistaken. There are not any unused pixels.

If you look closely at your screen (or my screenshots), there are horizontal lines where the top and bottom gaps are. My top gap has 4 gap lines, and my bottom gap has 7 gap lines.

Trying to decide if this really does bug me.. it makes it appear as if the picture is shifted up and to the left. Definitely a minor issue, but I did pay 3k for the TV. Now do I want to risk exchanging it... I can't say I am very impressed with Panasonic's quality control
post #3433 of 13486
Is anyone using the Sanus .55" slim mount? I'm ready to order it but want to make sure the panel does not need more breathing room from the wall before I do.
post #3434 of 13486
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Is anyone using the Sanus .55" slim mount? I'm ready to order it but want to make sure the panel does not need more breathing room from the wall before I do.

There's a bulge in the center of my 65" at least, which means that even if the mount only offers 1/2" of clearance, the vast majority of the openings (including those for the fans) will be roughly twice that from the wall.

I'm not especially up to date on heat-clearance recommendations, but assuming you have vertical space above it such that convection effects will occur normally, it would seem to be fine. The TV barely gets warm after running for several hours on a moderate day. I suspect this is due to a number of things including (a) not especially high power consumption (b) a good distribution of the heat sources across the backplane (c) thermal design that gets the heat out of the set quickly. But really, it barely seems to get warm.
post #3435 of 13486
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Originally Posted by HTguru3 View Post

Let's do the math. Your Sharp Elite costs approximately $2000.00 more than a comparable VT50. Let's say the VT50 costs about $3 to$4 a month more to run. That's $36 to $48 a year more. It would take over 40 years to recover that $2000.00 premium you paid for the Sharp Elite. That's not even taking into account that you can spread the cost of energy over the lifetime of the set as compared to having to lay out the $2k up front.

And, they're not comparable... wink.gif
post #3436 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I was mistaken. There are not any unused pixels.
If you look closely at your screen (or my screenshots), there are horizontal lines where the top and bottom gaps are. My top gap has 4 gap lines, and my bottom gap has 7 gap lines.
Trying to decide if this really does bug me.. it makes it appear as if the picture is shifted up and to the left. Definitely a minor issue, but I did pay 3k for the TV. Now do I want to risk exchanging it... I can't say I am very impressed with Panasonic's quality control

I have the ST. If it makes you feel any better, I just checked mine and there is a little more space in between on the top than the bottom. I never even noticed it before. It really doesn't bother me.
post #3437 of 13486
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

That's helpful info. You have carpeting, which is a fairly good absorber of at least some sound, I have laminate floors, which are not. I also have the TV up next to a brick-and-glass-fronted fireplace with a section of brick that overhangs. It creates a very small echo chamber for sound coming off the back of the TV.
I should note, again, that under normal circumstances you can't hear the TV making sound. But if the room is completely quiet and the screen goes white, you can hear it out to 10ish feet. It's also worth noting that the TVs have fans that seem to run constantly (can anyone confirm?), so they are never completely silent at close range. That said, the fan noise is inaudible with any kind of distance; the white-screen buzzing is audible in the circumstances I describe -- and only those.

I am still a firm believer, after reading dozens of posts on the issue both here and at the other forum, that different units have different levels of buzz. One way to prove or disprove my hypothesis would be for someone with "exacerbating buzzing conditions" to exchange his unit and verify if there is a delta in the level of buzz in the exact same conditions (better done using electronic test equipment to ensure accuracy and avoid the "placebo effect" mentioned earlier on this thread). Best if that could be done around 10 times or more to expand the population sample (one could get 2 or more buzzers in a row).

Until proved wrong, I'd say my hypothesis holds. biggrin.gif
post #3438 of 13486
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

I got an email the other day saying they were uping the return policy to 60 days and adding some other features like TV calibration. The Geek Squad calibrator is supposed to be ISF certified but I have heard some horror stories so I don't know how much good it will do. I mean it’s worth a shot since it’s free but you may not get the same results you would from a “pro” calibrator.

You mean BB won't be sending D-Nice to do my calibration?! Bummer...
post #3439 of 13486
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Originally Posted by SpiffX View Post

Just tap it lightly a few times on the opposite end with a rubber hammer (upwards and sideways). Make sure you put some cloth in between though... wink.gif

Hmm, I tried that and now my TV looks like a game of Tetris. I guess I tapped a little too hard and I probably should have put a bowl under my TV to catch the pixels.
post #3440 of 13486
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Originally Posted by mwag View Post

I've been following this thread almost every day. I have the 55" VT50, and when it went on sale at Best Buy, I ordered the 65". They'll be exchanged this weekend.
I ran D-Nice's slides. I could hear it buzzing, and the sound changed based on the slide being shown. The brightest light-gray/white slides were the most obvious. Once I switched to wmwilker's settings and watched normal content, I can't say I've noticed it unless the sound is very low. I must have good hearing because I can also hear the fans running. I'm in a newer apartment which is carpeted but I don't have all my wall decorations and furniture in yet to help absorb sound. The TV is on a wood stand from Standout Designs. I think I should also note that I pick up on other sounds like the high-pitched sound the AC/DC transformer for my shaver cleaning stand puts out.
I found the color uniformity to be quite good on this panel, especially since I'm coming from an old, small LCD. No weird lines or anything. Impressive black levels too. Sure, they're not always ink-black and yes, I can see the black bars stand out from the frame sometimes (still so much better than anything I've ever owned). The horizontal viewing angle is ridiculously good. Reflections can be a problem in bright daylight (I have sliding glass doors on the wall to the left of the tv). Any odd video glitches seem to be more source-related than VT50-related. Remember that not all Blu-ray transfers are created equal.
I hope the 65" version is just as good!
One question... do I need the registered version of ControlCAL if I just want to be able to plug in other people's ISF Day & Night settings? I'll probably wait a while before I get a real calibration.

You have the same set as me. I can hear buzzing on the all white slide from about 6 feet away - the rest of the slides are clear. I can also hear the fans - kind of a tunnel whistling sound but not high pitched. I don't forsee these being a problem when I'm through running the slides. Nice to know I'm hearing the exact same as someone else - I too have VERY sensitive ears...had to return an 82" Mitsu DLP because of the constant buzzing of the fans.
post #3441 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Hmm, I tried that and now my TV looks like a game of Tetris. I guess I tapped a little too hard and I probably should have put a bowl under my TV to catch the pixels.

umm, don't tell me you let the plasma drip out?
post #3442 of 13486
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

That's helpful info. You have carpeting, which is a fairly good absorber of at least some sound, I have laminate floors, which are not. I also have the TV up next to a brick-and-glass-fronted fireplace with a section of brick that overhangs. It creates a very small echo chamber for sound coming off the back of the TV.
I should note, again, that under normal circumstances you can't hear the TV making sound. But if the room is completely quiet and the screen goes white, you can hear it out to 10ish feet. It's also worth noting that the TVs have fans that seem to run constantly (can anyone confirm?), so they are never completely silent at close range. That said, the fan noise is inaudible with any kind of distance; the white-screen buzzing is audible in the circumstances I describe -- and only those.

I can confirm everything you hear. All white screen buzzes. Fans are always on with a low tunnel whistling type sound from about 5 feet.
post #3443 of 13486
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

umm, don't tell me you let the plasma drip out?

I did. I really wish I saw your previous post about this!
post #3444 of 13486
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

I have the ST. If it makes you feel any better, I just checked mine and there is a little more space in between on the top than the bottom. I never even noticed it before. It really doesn't bother me.

Thanks for checking. At the end of the week I will be deciding if I am going to keep my VT50 or exchange it for the Elite. If I do decide to keep the Elite, I might swap my set out for a new one. If it was just the bottom that was "shifted" I would be okay, but the fact that the right side is shifted too gives the TV an uneven look. I have OCD
post #3445 of 13486
I need SETTINGS please. Slides will be done tomorrow and I want run a comparison vs my current 70" LED. Could someone either post their settings or post a link to good settings they have used? Thanks.
post #3446 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

but the fact that the right side is shifted too gives the TV an uneven look. I have OCD

Is this case with multiple content sources? I've noticed with my ST, depending on the source, the picture can be skewed a little more to the right or left - making it look like it is off center when it really isn't. Is it still skewed even when fed test patterns that fill the whole screen? You might want to check if you haven't.
post #3447 of 13486
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Originally Posted by SpiffX View Post

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

That's helpful info. You have carpeting, which is a fairly good absorber of at least some sound, I have laminate floors, which are not. I also have the TV up next to a brick-and-glass-fronted fireplace with a section of brick that overhangs. It creates a very small echo chamber for sound coming off the back of the TV.
I should note, again, that under normal circumstances you can't hear the TV making sound. But if the room is completely quiet and the screen goes white, you can hear it out to 10ish feet. It's also worth noting that the TVs have fans that seem to run constantly (can anyone confirm?), so they are never completely silent at close range. That said, the fan noise is inaudible with any kind of distance; the white-screen buzzing is audible in the circumstances I describe -- and only those.

I am still a firm believer, after reading dozens of posts on the issue both here and at the other forum, that different units have different levels of buzz. One way to prove or disprove my hypothesis would be for someone with "exacerbating buzzing conditions" to exchange his unit and verify if there is a delta in the level of buzz in the exact same conditions (better done using electronic test equipment to ensure accuracy and avoid the "placebo effect" mentioned earlier on this thread). Best if that could be done around 10 times or more to expand the population sample (one could get 2 or more buzzers in a row).

Until proved wrong, I'd say my hypothesis holds. biggrin.gif

Until proved wrong I say my hypothesis holds! Which is pretty darn near the same as yours! tongue.gif Other than the fact that I still would bet money I could hear yours very nearly the same as I hear mine. I would be down right giddy to actually try that just out of simple curiosity. To be clear, this is more of a fun thing for me. Please understand that I really dont take this whole buzzing thing very seriously. In the end people will make up their own minds and deal with it accordingly. I dont think we would spend so much time debating things such as this if we didnt have a touch of the tech bug. biggrin.gif
post #3448 of 13486
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

Is this case with multiple content sources? I've noticed with my ST, depending on the source, the picture can be skewed a little more to the right or left - making it look like it is off center when it really isn't. Is it still skewed even when fed test patterns that fill the whole screen? You might want to check if you haven't.

Every source. All pixels are in use. Ultimately if I decide to keep the VT50, I will probably not exchange it. Too risky
post #3449 of 13486
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Originally Posted by NateDoggg View Post

I need SETTINGS please. Slides will be done tomorrow and I want run a comparison vs my current 70" LED. Could someone either post their settings or post a link to good settings they have used? Thanks.


Picture mode Custom
Contrast 82
Brightness 52-54
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 14
Color Temp Warm 1
Cats Off
Video NR Off
Aspect Adjustments
Screen Format FULL
HD Size 2 (HD Size 1 is for a 95% over scan. This eliminates some of the unwanted garbage that can sometimes be seen on the edge of the screen)
HDMI Settings leave default unless you know that something needs to be changed
Advanced Picture
These next two settings may or may not help poor content and should have little to no effect on quality content.
Block NR Off
Mosquito NR Off
Motion Smoother Weak or Off (This is the setting that causes SOE or soap opera effect. The higher you go, the worse it gets. I turn this off for bluray movies as it introduces artifacts and is not needed any way. But I do find myself using it on Weak for Sat or cable content)
Black Level Light
3:2 Pull down Auto
Items that are greyed out are that way unless you have applicable content playing

Pro Settings: Tread carefully here. These settings may or may not improve the look of your unique panel.
Color Space Normal
High R -1
Low G -4
Low B -1
W/B detail Adjustment If you do not understand this part, don't do it and leave as is. If I did not list it, its default.
10 IRE
R -1
20 IRE
R +2
B +1
40 IRE
B -1
50 IRE
R +1
G +2
60 IRE
B +1
90 IRE
R -2
B +1
100 IRE
R -1
B -1

Rest are default

Green Hue +4
Red Sat -4
Green Sat -4
Yellow Sat -1
Rest are default

Black Extension 0
Gamma adjustment 2.4
Panel Brightness Mid
Contour Emphasis Off
AGC Off

Please let me know what you think. Thanks
post #3450 of 13486
Picture mode Cinema will cause a larger gap around the entire image. Switching to another picture mode enables a full image.

Also under Aspect adjustments HD Size perhaps is on Full 2 and not Full 1 ? Depending on your HD source you need to change this.

There is a normal gap though around the entire image between the bezel and panel. I've viewed several VT50's at local BB's and they are all the same.

Hopefully it's only a setting you need to change and not a faulty tv.
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