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post #3571 of 13486
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I have done a lot of reading on it. I'm just wondering why I didn't notice it on my DLP.

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He accepts that his tv buzzes like a saw too.

All three models have this problem.
post #3572 of 13486
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I have done a lot of reading on it. I'm just wondering why I didn't notice it on my DLP.

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He accepts that his tv buzzes like a saw too.

All three models have this problem.

My sets buzzing is same as yours lol. To make any out on mine requires volume to be almost off and I have to listen carefully for it, so not quite "saw like". You are basically calling most of the owners in here idiots because they are not returning their sets as you suggest because they can pick up buzzing on some ridiculous level that you claim you can't on yours.

And here is the most hypocritical thing. You can't fathom why we do not exchange or return our sets because of an extremely slight and normal buzzing, yet you have no problem keeping a set that you feel has horrendous issues with motion!!! Kettle black,,,,glass houses,,,, all that jazz. tongue.gif At least I can turn my volume just past mute to eliminate my "defect"

I have fully tested this panning issue that you claim exists and concluded that you are 1. Flat out wrong about it being the TV. And 2. You are too lazy to duplicate any of the testing that I took the time to perform, on your own.

Actually, hey jbray, you have other TVs in your house. Can you please find a crappy pan and verify that it looks exactly the same on both sets without motion smoothing on? Preciate it

Anyway, you have been waiting to pounce on me since you threatened me a few days ago. Your pounce had the equivalent thunder of a mouse fart. Please come back with some ammo next time.

Thank you

As an afterthought, I will add this experience from work last week. I replaced a 2mp Barco mammography monitor with a 3mp Barco monitor. They are identical aside from Max resolution. I got a call later in the week with the techs complaining that the new monitor had horrible black levels compared to the inferior old one and wanted a call from my boss so they could return it. With their boss watching I installed both monitors side by side and brought an image up. Within 5 minutes I had a formal apology from the boss for wasting my time. He also stated that he could also see calcifications better on the new one. He was mad because he almost returned a monitor that would better aid in the detection of breast cancer because of the faulty memories of his technicians. All I could hear as I was leaving were the whiny techs swearing they "remembered" the original monitor looking so much better. Interesting ain't it? Based on your history, I would imagine you blindly accepting their claims without testing and would have just let them return the better monitor.

Note: Both monitors auto calibrated with puck which is the only calibration option for these medical grade monitors. So there are no separate brightness or contrast controls before you try to go there.

Remind me again what your qualifications are again? Since you asked the same of me.

You have 3 times more posts than I in almost half the time. I am trying to find at least one post that shows you applying proper troubleshooting in any fashion. Nothing so far other than echoes of people that are qualified.
Edited by TopperMcFly - 6/28/12 at 10:06am
post #3573 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I have had the TV for a week, watched some TV, a few blu-rays and I am ready to post my initial impressions and comparison to 500m
First of all, let me start by saying I am truly amazed by the PQ of the VT50. I had fears that the PQ would be too far of a step down from my 500m and 141fd, but that is not the case at all. Rather, the VT50 puts up one hell of a fight and is truly worthy to be put in the same sentence as a Kuro.
Setup:
Panasonic 65VT50
PS3
Denon AVR-1910
M&K 750 (front, center, left)
M&K m-4t (surrounds)
Disclaimer: My set is not calibrated yet. I am using THX Cinema with a few tweaks to give skin tones a more natural look. I am not commenting on apps, 3d, or any of the other extras as I don't and won't be using them in the near future.
IR
I haven't had a hint of IR and this includes almost 100% viewing in THX bright room. I have watched ESPN, navigated Directv menus and had them up for multiples minutes without issue.
Color
Rich, natural, and tons of depth. The natural richness and depth that I am used to on my 500m is very present. The VT50 is slightly flatter in darker scenes but this is to be expected. I imagine this will be a dead tie (aside from darker scenes) with the Kuro once calibrated. It is amazing to see the Kuro look and feel on a 65" display with a very thin bezel. It definitely adds to the wow factor.
Dithering is definitely present and more obvious on the VT50 than my kuros. Honestly, it doesn't bother me.
Contrast/Black Level
So how close is the VT50 to the black levels of the Kuro? Really damn close is the answer. I did a quick side by side test with my 500m and yes the 500m has deeper blacks when you look hard to compare the black levels. But you have to look to notice. With that being said, a dark scene on a 500m produces noticeably darker blacks than the VT50. In high APL scenes the VT50 really shines and looks just like a Kuro. Not too shabby, but not Kuro level just yet. Overall, I am completely pleased with the black level and without the 500m next to the VT50 stands firm. Shadow detail is also excellent.
*I have yet to watch a letterbox movie. I will be watching one tonight and will update my post if I feel necessary.
Motion
No complaints here. Is it as good as the Kuro? Honestly, I can't tell if it is better or worse. Looks the same to me. Flickering isn't an issue for me anymore. I noticed it at first in 96hz but I realized contrast was turned up too much. turning it down fixed it.
There is something about this TV PQ that is very pleasing and different Something that gives its own unique look when compared to the 500m and 141fd. I am not sure what it is, but I do enjoy it. My GF has noticed it as well. I asked her which to order our TVs in order of best PQ and she said 500m, VT50, 141fd. I found that interesting and in a way I agree.
Overall, I am extremely happy with the TV and have no reservations about choosing the VT50 over the Elite. In my opinion, the only areas the Elite wins is black level and contrast. While the Elite is breath taking because of its amazing dynamic range, it does not offer the same natural look and feel as the VT50 nor does it over the color accuracy. I could not imagine paying double the price just for the dynamic range. At that price range, I rather consider a projector system.
If I had to give the VT50 and a rating and I considered the 500m to be a 10.. I would give the VT50 a 9.25. When considering the sheer size of the VT50 in comparison to the 500m, the VT50 gets a 10 rating.

Thanks for the comparison! Some general noob questions though, I keep hearing that the VT50 is comparable to the legendary Kuro in high APL scenes but not in the mid and low APL scenes. Now what does this mean in English? What is an APL scene?

Also that the Sharp Elite got better dynamic range, what does that mean? Sorry for the newbie questions, tried to google it but found irrelevant answers. Do you guys have any link that explains all these stuff?
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I've been doing some more watching with Netflix, and there seems to be a problem with Audio Video sync, where the video is delayed from the audio enough to be noticeable and somewhat annoying. This is the same when using the TV's own speakers, as well as when it's ported through my Onkyo receiver (Toslink connection from the TV).

Just wondering if others notice the same problem. I don't know if it's a TV issue, or a Netflix issue.

I connect via Wireless N 5GHz to a Cisco E4200 Router, which has a strong connection, and is nearby. On a somewhat separate note, I do notice that the video quality will fluctuate from the X High to Medium or even Low, with a brief black screen flash when switching modes. I thought it might be due to the WiFi connection, but I verified that this occurs even with a direct Ethernet gigabit connection. Nature of the beast, I guess.

(I'm on Time Warner Cable Modem, which generally runs 10 or more mbps download (Speedtest.net just showed 14mbps.)

I'd be interested in others' experience with this lag. I don't see any setting that would allow me to adjust this sync, but maybe I've missed it.

Thanks.
post #3575 of 13486
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Originally Posted by usr2 View Post

VT50 65 inch owners, can we please do a poll of prices-paid for your TV's? That will give all of us waiting to pull the trigger a great average price-point and will be very helpful. Please post your prices-paid in a format like:
base-price:
taxes:
shipping:
Thanks in advance.

There is already a thread for that.
post #3576 of 13486
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Originally Posted by DLCPhoto View Post

I've been doing some more watching with Netflix, and there seems to be a problem with Audio Video sync, where the video is delayed from the audio enough to be noticeable and somewhat annoying. This is the same when using the TV's own speakers, as well as when it's ported through my Onkyo receiver (Toslink connection from the TV).

Just wondering if others notice the same problem. I don't know if it's a TV issue, or a Netflix issue.

I connect via Wireless N 5GHz to a Cisco E4200 Router, which has a strong connection, and is nearby. On a somewhat separate note, I do notice that the video quality will fluctuate from the X High to Medium or even Low, with a brief black screen flash when switching modes. I thought it might be due to the WiFi connection, but I verified that this occurs even with a direct Ethernet gigabit connection. Nature of the beast, I guess.

(I'm on Time Warner Cable Modem, which generally runs 10 or more mbps download (Speedtest.net just showed 14mbps.)

I'd be interested in others' experience with this lag. I don't see any setting that would allow me to adjust this sync, but maybe I've missed it.

Thanks.

The flashing is typical for Netflix on this set as it shifts through the quality levels. The audio sync I am not so sure yet but may also be the TV. I use my ps3 usually for Netflix and it sometimes has the sync issue as well.
post #3577 of 13486
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

I have gamed on it well over a 100 hours already as I got one of the first ones out the gate and I can tell you from my experience you won't be disappointed in the least..

Hey - what MODE do you play in? Do you play in GAME mode? Or do you play in whatever mode you also watch TV/movies? Thanks.
post #3578 of 13486
I was just about to calibrate my VT50 and i discovered there are vertical bands/smudges visible on IRE 10-50 fields. From what I gathered this is DSE. It is however not visible during normal content viewing. Is this something to worry about? Do all plasma's have this to some degree or is this a fault which could get worse over time? I am not sure on whether I should try and get it fixed/swapped, as the chances of getting another with similar or worse problems is a concern. As I said I haven't noticed DSE while watching normal content.

*Edit
I posted a few pictures. These are taken at daytime. But i think it will show what i see. Will take some pictures at night, will be alot more visible.
Pictures -> http://imgur.com/a/UanNg#0
Edited by azurisk - 6/28/12 at 8:26am
post #3579 of 13486
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Originally Posted by humix View Post

Thanks for the comparison! Some general noob questions though, I keep hearing that the VT50 is comparable to the legendary Kuro in high APL scenes but not in the mid and low APL scenes. Now what does this mean in English? What is an APL scene?
Also that the Sharp Elite got better dynamic range, what does that mean? Sorry for the newbie questions, tried to google it but found irrelevant answers. Do you guys have any link that explains all these stuff?
The VT50 is comparable when it comes to Mid and High APL scenes. Watered down, that means for content like CSI Miami, The Big Bang Theory, X-Men First Class, Star Trek, MI4 Ghost Protocol, John Carter, The Avengers and Transformers movies would look very similar if not identical. One would/should see differences with content like Game of Thrones, Fringe, Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows, The Matrix movies, Tron Legacy, The Dark Knight, Harry Potter movies and Prometheus as they are darker movies.

APL standa for Average Picture Luminance
post #3580 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I agree completely with D-Nice's opinion and analysis of the VT50 (as you can see in my review) but at the end of the day the VT50 stands firm and is a worthy contender to the Kuro. I could not be happier with the purchase. You can call it Kuro-lite cool.gif
Yup. That is why it is the only display currently available that I would consider if one of my Kuros could not be repaired.
post #3581 of 13486
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I agree completely with D-Nice's opinion and analysis of the VT50 (as you can see in my review) but at the end of the day the VT50 stands firm and is a worthy contender to the Kuro. I could not be happier with the purchase. You can call it Kuro-lite cool.gif
Yup. That is why it is the only display currently available that I would consider if one of my Kuros could not be repaired.

Group hug!!! tongue.gif
post #3582 of 13486
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Yup. That is why it is the only display currently available that I would consider if one of my Kuros could not be repaired.

Hey D - wondering how close you are to posting your calibration settings? Topper's are working well for me, but wanted to try yours as well. Thanks D.
post #3583 of 13486
I've been watching my 65VT50 quite a lot lately, and doing a lot of switching around between the various modes. I had MikeSierraBravo, from Topeka KS calibrate my 3 THX modes (THX Cinema, THX Bright Room, THX 3D Cinema). The end result of this THX calibration produces beautiful precise colors and skin tone. A definite improvement over the original THX settings. One big advantage of getting THX 3D Cinema calibrated is to get some additional brightness to help counteract the darkness of the glasses. I found some movies just too dark to watch before calibration. While not perfect in brightness after calibration, it is a big improvement.

I'm a little perplexed by all the negative talk with SOE. Perhaps, it's something my eyes just aren't trained in seeing. (Maybe that's a good thing.) To me, one downfall of the THX modes is the inability of setting values in Motion Smoother. When viewing one of the non-THX modes, the motion smoother set on the maximum setting produces much smoother motion. Less jerking of moving images. To me, that's an improvement of the viewing experience.

Edit: Motion Smoother is greyed out in THX modes.

Edit: I only watch Blu-Rays/DVD's.

Edit: Equip. OPPO BDP-93, Denon 3312ci
Edited by CatBrat - 6/28/12 at 8:06am
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Do THX modes OTB use Motion Smoother?
post #3585 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Do THX modes OTB use Motion Smoother?

I think it's a global setting.
post #3586 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Do THX modes OTB use Motion Smoother?

I can only guess here. But I would think that there was zero interpolation being applied to the THX modes in order to maintain the "pureness" of the origial content required for THX certification. I have nothing to back that up.
post #3587 of 13486
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

I can only guess here. But I would think that there was zero interpolation being applied to the THX modes in order to maintain the "pureness" of the origial content required for THX certification. I have nothing to back that up.

I would think that too. However, in THX bright room you can adjust it while watching TV, however you cannot seem to adjust while watching blu-rays. I did notice some odd motion in 21 jump street last night (not the best blu-ray transfer). It appeared as if the motion smoother was on and I notice some rainbow phosphor type lag. I did have a few drinks so I could be crazy
post #3588 of 13486
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

I think it's a global setting.
Out of curiosity what bluray player are you using? I just hooked up a new Panny BD500 last night to replace my BD210 and allow me to use the 3D with my non-3D Denon receiver and the number of settings on this thing is nuts! I'd like to tinker with it but anything I do will certainly mess with adjustments already made in the TV's picture settings.
post #3589 of 13486
What are the best 3D glasses for this? I believe the TY-ER3D4MU are the ones we are SUPPOSED to use; but, I know someone posted on here a while back that the cheaper Samsung glasses work just as well. Any thoughts as to the best 3D glasses for the 65VT50?
post #3590 of 13486
Any issues with leaving a plasma on for a few hours with a pure black screen? My PS3 auto-shut off (stupid ps3 update changed my settings!) over night and the TV was left on with a black screen for a few hours

I would think no issues, just normal wear
Edited by jbrady3324 - 6/28/12 at 8:35am
post #3591 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Any issues with leaving a plasma on for a few hours with a pure black screen? My PS3 auto-shut off (stupid ps3 update changed my settings!) over night and the TV was left on with a black screen for a few hours
I would think no issues, just normal wear

Shouldn't be an issue if it's a clean screen (no text). But pleae correct me if I'm wrong.
post #3592 of 13486
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Originally Posted by azurisk View Post

Shouldn't be an issue if it's a clean screen (no text). But pleae correct me if I'm wrong.

Just the Panasonic "no input" pop up that bounces around for an unknown amount of time.. I can't detect any IR
post #3593 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Just the Panasonic "no input" pop up that bounces around for an unknown amount of time.. I can't detect any IR

Then I think you're good biggrin.gif
post #3594 of 13486
Hey all -

Just received my 55" VT50 this morning and decided to re-read some of the comments on this thread for ideas/suggestions.

I purchased from Best Buy and asked about "calibration" beforehand and the rep told me this model was already calibrated. If that's the case - can someone please explain the slides/hours many of you are putting in to make your VT50 "ready"?

I am not a tech junky, but if there's a way to increase overall viewing experience I would appreciate anyone's thoughts.

I set it up quickly this morning and placed on THX Mode and it looks great.

Thanks!
post #3595 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Ephman2002 View Post

Hey all -
Just received my 55" VT50 this morning and decided to re-read some of the comments on this thread for ideas/suggestions.
I purchased from Best Buy and asked about "calibration" beforehand and the rep told me this model was already calibrated. If that's the case - can someone please explain the slides/hours many of you are putting in to make your VT50 "ready"?
I am not a tech junky, but if there's a way to increase overall viewing experience I would appreciate anyone's thoughts.
I set it up quickly this morning and placed on THX Mode and it looks great.
Thanks!

I saw no reason to use the slides. They are only useful, as far as I can tell, if you are going to use D-Nice's published calibration settings. (Don't know if he ever published any for this model.)

As far as pre-calibrated THX modes, they give a good picture, but it's still off on color balance, etc, that would require a good calibration. Better than most, maybe, but not fully calibrated.

To calibrate the 3D mode, you need a meter that can be made to see through the glasses. This requires a more costly meter than most calibrators own.
post #3596 of 13486
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

The flashing is typical for Netflix on this set as it shifts through the quality levels. The audio sync I am not so sure yet but may also be the TV. I use my ps3 usually for Netflix and it sometimes has the sync issue as well.

Thanks for the reply.

To follow-up on this, I now see that this same audio video sync issue is present with regular content from my TWC DVR, connected via HDMI to the Panny. It's not horrible, but it's definitely there. I'm thinking that this is a TV issue to some degree. I'll have to check this on a Sony Projection LCD I have in my bedroom, which uses the same TWC DVR signal, and see if the lag is present there as well.
post #3597 of 13486
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Originally Posted by DLCPhoto View Post

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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

The flashing is typical for Netflix on this set as it shifts through the quality levels. The audio sync I am not so sure yet but may also be the TV. I use my ps3 usually for Netflix and it sometimes has the sync issue as well.

Thanks for the reply.

To follow-up on this, I now see that this same audio video sync issue is present with regular content from my TWC DVR, connected via HDMI to the Panny. It's not horrible, but it's definitely there. I'm thinking that this is a TV issue to some degree. I'll have to check this on a Sony Projection LCD I have in my bedroom, which uses the same TWC DVR signal, and see if the lag is present there as well.

Hmmm, I am not sure. I know my yammy 671 AVR incorporates lip sync compensation and it seems to do that job quite well. All I can say is that I never have a sync issue with my Directv or with content from my PS3 unless it is streaming content. Wish I could be more help.
post #3598 of 13486
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Originally Posted by CatBrat View Post

I had MikeSierraBravo, from Topeka KS calibrate my 3 THX modes (THX Cinema, THX Bright Room, THX 3D Cinema).
Thanks for your calibration report. I'll include it in the lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy.
post #3599 of 13486
Amazon offered me $200 off to keep the TV instead of exchanging.. for $300 I think I would keep it and live with the gap issue at the bottom. It is such a small issue but it is still an issue..
post #3600 of 13486
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Originally Posted by azurisk View Post

I was just about to calibrate my VT50 and i discovered there are vertical bands/smudges visible on IRE 10-50 fields. From what I gathered this is DSE. It is however not visible during normal content viewing. Is this something to worry about? Do all plasma's have this to some degree or is this a fault which could get worse over time? I am not sure on whether I should try and get it fixed/swapped, as the chances of getting another with similar or worse problems is a concern. As I said I haven't noticed DSE while watching normal content.

Those bands/smudges on low IRE gray fields seems to be very typical on the 2012 Panasonic plasma sets.
Indeed you don't notice them with regular video content, only darker gray full screen slide images.
On my set they have faded quite a bit after a few hundred hours of active use, running the full screen slides daily during off hours.
Its just one aspect of the 2012 Panasonic plasmas, just like their dithering of pixels only noticeable very close up to the screen, compared to other manufacturers.
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