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post #4081 of 12546
7/11/12 at 12:34am
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Also, from reading their website, sounds like Auto-Cal only auto-calibrates the greyscale. What portion of the whole calibration is that? How much non-automated calibration is still left after greyscale is calibrated?

CMS is left out, among other things.

imo, I would pass on autocal.

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post #4082 of 12546
7/11/12 at 12:39am
IF that's the case (again I don't know anything about this), then you would also need to calibrate color via the Color Management System and Gamma via a slider or 10pt gamma control (or 10pt white balance), but not all sets have these controls. But everything else like Brightness, Contrast, Sharpness etc., can be done by eye and the corresponding test pattern. You might also want to use your meter for setting contrast, like if you want to target a certain light output.
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post #4083 of 12546
7/11/12 at 3:45am
Hi guys,

Whilst watching a football match, a vertical line near the right hand side of the set was spotted. In order to inspect this issue further a green image (attached to this post) was found from the internet. TV displays the image as seen in the other attached images (Connected to mains via both surge-protector and VR). Set displays these lines both from right and left sides. These lines could best be detected at at an angle. Please find enclosed related images. (My apologies about the attachment size.)

Service defined this as image retention and tried to associate this with break-in slides (30 sec transition) which I opposed in the most vehement way. I disputed their definition as total _bs_; needless to say, in a courteous manner. I would most probably define this as vertical banding, however I would like to hear the opinions of all the experienced people here. (If possible especially from D-nice.)

Afterwards, I will first contact the national contact point and then the international contact point.

Thanks in advance[

IMG_1948.JPG 1056k .JPG file IMG_1968.JPG 1020k .JPG file set.zip 4166k .zip file test.jpg 32k .jpg file .
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post #4084 of 12546
7/11/12 at 5:39am
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Hi guys,

Whilst watching a football match, a vertical line near the right hand side of the set was spotted. In order to inspect this issue further a green image (attached to this post) was found from the internet. TV displays the image as seen in the other attached images (Connected to mains via both surge-protector and VR). Set displays these lines both from right and left sides. These lines could best be detected at at an angle. Please find enclosed related images. (My apologies about the attachment size.)

Service defined this as image retention and tried to associate this with break-in slides (30 sec transition) which I opposed in the most vehement way. I disputed their definition as total _bs_; needless to say, in a courteous manner. I would most probably define this as vertical banding, however I would like to hear the opinions of all the experienced people here. (If possible especially from D-nice.)

Afterwards, I will first contact the national contact point and then the international contact point.

Thanks in advance



Unless you got your hands on 4:3 slides (square) it was not slides. Have you by any chance been watching any 4:3 content for long periods of time? Even if you were, I do not think the IR would look like that. I would raise hell and get that set replaced. You did inspect the set when it was new, right? Did this occur over time? If so, I would omit that part if it happened over time. Good luck
Edited by TopperMcFly - 7/11/12 at 6:43am
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post #4085 of 12546
7/11/12 at 5:49am
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Please find enclosed related images.

...your power LED is green?
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post #4086 of 12546
7/11/12 at 6:24am
Has D-Nice been around lately?
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post #4087 of 12546
7/11/12 at 9:38am
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Please find enclosed related images.

...your power LED is green?

Pretty sure he meant red. If not, his set is prolly worth some money! biggrin.gif
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post #4088 of 12546
7/11/12 at 9:46am
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Has D-Nice been around lately?

He is in the trunk of my car. I won't let him out until he says 3 clicks and not 4! tongue.gif

Spoiler alert. Do not read further if you are content with your picture!

Seriously, I had an awful thing happen to me yesterday. I let my eyes zero in on dithering. I have avoided taking notice for the most part for 6 years now. I knew it was there but refused to acknowledge it in my conscience self. Now that I have allowed my brain to see it, I see nothing else. Thanks a lot guys. wink.gif
Something similar happened early on with my Kuro and sure enough it went away with time. The dithering did not but my brains attention to it did.
Hopefully the same will happen this time. Damn kung fu mind tricks I tell you!
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post #4089 of 12546
7/11/12 at 10:09am
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Pretty sure he meant red. If not, his set is prolly worth some money! biggrin.gif

Nah, look at the pictures. The whole screen is green but so is the power LED! ...Am I losing it?
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post #4090 of 12546
7/11/12 at 10:19am
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Pretty sure he meant red. If not, his set is prolly worth some money! biggrin.gif

Nah, look at the pictures. The whole screen is green but so is the power LED! ...Am I losing it?

Ahhh, that must be a non US model. I wonder why they would use a different color LED? Maybe as a visual indicator as to the sets origin. Interesting
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post #4091 of 12546
7/11/12 at 11:36am
Can anyone tell me if the 65" base stand is fixed or does it swivel? thanks!
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post #4092 of 12546
7/11/12 at 11:38am
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Can anyone tell me if the 65" base stand is fixed or does it swivel? thanks!
It is fixed. The stand is probably the crappiest thing about the vt50.smile.gif
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post #4093 of 12546
7/11/12 at 11:39am
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CMS is left out, among other things.
imo, I would pass on autocal.
ss

I thought I had read somewhere that the CMS doesn't work properly on these sets... is that right?
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post #4094 of 12546
7/11/12 at 11:41am
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Ahhh, that must be a non US model. I wonder why they would use a different color LED? Maybe as a visual indicator as to the sets origin. Interesting
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Ahhh, that must be a non US model. I wonder why they would use a different color LED? Maybe as a visual indicator as to the sets origin. Interesting

That's an EU model.
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post #4095 of 12546
7/11/12 at 11:43am
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Ahhh, that must be a non US model. I wonder why they would use a different color LED? Maybe as a visual indicator as to the sets origin. Interesting

The words marketing, acceptance, and focus groups come to mind... In Japan, the Playstation accept button is the circle. Here in the western world it is the "x". Countless other examples. E.g., Panasonic skipping the VT40 (which is what we really have) because 4 is a bad luck number in Japan.
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post #4096 of 12546
7/11/12 at 11:57am
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I thought I had read somewhere that the CMS doesn't work properly on these sets... is that right?
There's 3 parts to color: Luminance, Saturation and Hue; the Luminance control on the VT50 is broken but the other controls function ok. The Color setting in the Picture menu mostly controls Color Luminance so it can help for the lack of a true Luminance control. Even without the luminance control, the VT50's delta error is below 3 after calibration, which is good.
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post #4097 of 12546
7/11/12 at 11:58am
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Unless you got your hands on 4:3 slides (square) it was not slides. Have you by any chance been watching any 4:3 content for long periods of time? Even if you were, I do not think the IR would look like that. I would raise hell and get that set replaced. You did inspect the set when it was new, right? Did this occur over time? If so, I would omit that part if it happened over time. Good luck

I never watched 4:3 content except for a few seconds during zapping. Furthermore, I watched full screen content %99 of the time.


The error was spotted during a football match (green background). Furthermore this error and other horizontal lines can clearly be seen with the test image (uniform r/g/b:44/92/18 and opacity:1 throughout the image) Could you please check this with the sets you own to help me confirm that the error is specific to my set.

I had some IR due to channel logos, which went away quickly; however that's a different issue. D-nice mentioned previously that full screen and uniform colors would not cause IR.

I would like to pinpoint the error; however I am a newbie at this scene and would gladly accept any help.

Thanks
Edited by iriador - 7/11/12 at 12:10pm
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post #4098 of 12546
7/11/12 at 11:59am
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I thought I had read somewhere that the CMS doesn't work properly on these sets... is that right?

CMS Luminance controls are inop

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Originally Posted by SpiffX View Post

The words marketing, acceptance, and focus groups come to mind... In Japan, the Playstation accept button is the circle. Here in the western world it is the "x". Countless other examples. E.g., Panasonic skipping the VT40 (which is what we really have) because 4 is a bad luck number in Japan.

Wiki:
There are several unlucky numbers in Japanese. Traditionally, 4 and 9 are unlucky. Four is sometimes pronounced shi, which is also the word for death.[3] Nine is also sometimes pronounced ku, which can mean suffering. 13 is also occasionally thought of as unlucky, although this is imported from Western culture. Because of these unlucky numbers, sometimes levels or rooms with 4 or 9 in them don't exist in hospitals or hotels, and particularly in the maternity section of a hospital, the room number 43 is avoided because it can literally mean "still birth." Therefore, when giving gifts such as sets of plates, they are normally sets of three or five, never four.[2]
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post #4099 of 12546
7/11/12 at 12:03pm
It's a wonder they drive cars. 4 cyclinder, 4 wheels/tires, 4 door, 4x, 4 speed, 4 on the floor.
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post #4100 of 12546
7/11/12 at 12:16pm
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Hi guys,
Whilst watching a football match, a vertical line near the right hand side of the set was spotted. In order to inspect this issue further a green image (attached to this post) was found from the internet. TV displays the image as seen in the other attached images (Connected to mains via both surge-protector and VR). Set displays these lines both from right and left sides. These lines could best be detected at at an angle. Please find enclosed related images. (My apologies about the attachment size.)
Service defined this as image retention and tried to associate this with break-in slides (30 sec transition) which I opposed in the most vehement way. I disputed their definition as total _bs_; needless to say, in a courteous manner. I would most probably define this as vertical banding, however I would like to hear the opinions of all the experienced people here. (If possible especially from D-nice.)
Afterwards, I will first contact the national contact point and then the international contact point.
Thanks in advance[
IMG_1948.JPG 1056k .JPG file IMG_1968.JPG 1020k .JPG file set.zip 4166k .zip file test.jpg 32k .jpg file .

This is a known bug that affected a small number of sets.

You are not the first person to be afflicted by it -- unfortunately.

You will need an exchange or panel replacement.

I believe a search of this thread on "vertical line" should bring up other instances, but I'm not sure where the discussions have occurred, only that I've read them.
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post #4101 of 12546
7/11/12 at 1:14pm
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This is a known bug that affected a small number of sets.
You are not the first person to be afflicted by it -- unfortunately.
You will need an exchange or panel replacement.
I believe a search of this thread on "vertical line" should bring up other instances, but I'm not sure where the discussions have occurred, only that I've read them.

Thanks a lot for the help.
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post #4102 of 12546
7/11/12 at 1:16pm
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It is fixed. The stand is probably the crappiest thing about the vt50.smile.gif

Haha. The stand is pretty crappy
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post #4103 of 12546
7/11/12 at 2:28pm
Hey guys, I picked up my 65VT50 yesterday evening. While unpacking it I noticed there was no cover film on the bezel/screen. Is this normal? Or did I get a box that had already been opened/returned. I would prefer not to have a unit that's already been returned, so this could affect whether I keep it or not. The energy consumption sticker was still on the screen, and it looked like nothing else in the box had been touched, tape and everything was still on.
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post #4104 of 12546
7/11/12 at 2:41pm
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Hey guys, I picked up my 65VT50 yesterday evening. While unpacking it I noticed there was no cover film on the bezel/screen. Is this normal? Or did I get a box that had already been opened/returned. I would prefer not to have a unit that's already been returned, so this could affect whether I keep it or not. The energy consumption sticker was still on the screen, and it looked like nothing else in the box had been touched, tape and everything was still on.
MIne did not have a film cover and I believe other people have said theirs didn't have one either.
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post #4105 of 12546
7/11/12 at 2:58pm
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Hey guys, I picked up my 65VT50 yesterday evening. While unpacking it I noticed there was no cover film on the bezel/screen. Is this normal? Or did I get a box that had already been opened/returned. I would prefer not to have a unit that's already been returned, so this could affect whether I keep it or not. The energy consumption sticker was still on the screen, and it looked like nothing else in the box had been touched, tape and everything was still on.
MIne did not have a film cover and I believe other people have said theirs didn't have one either.
There is a small quantity of paranoia gas is each box. eek.gif
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post #4106 of 12546
7/11/12 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by mdenning View Post

Hey guys, I picked up my 65VT50 yesterday evening. While unpacking it I noticed there was no cover film on the bezel/screen. Is this normal? Or did I get a box that had already been opened/returned. I would prefer not to have a unit that's already been returned, so this could affect whether I keep it or not. The energy consumption sticker was still on the screen, and it looked like nothing else in the box had been touched, tape and everything was still on.

MIne did not have a film cover and I believe other people have said theirs didn't have one either.

I can't remember if mine had a film over the screen, but I do remember it was wrapped in a foam bag (don't know if foam is the right term though, but hopefully you understand what I mean).
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post #4107 of 12546
7/11/12 at 3:06pm
Yeah mine did have the bag as well. Ive tried to search, but how do I check for how long the panel has been on? Could be an easy way to tell.

And yes, I'm definitely being paranoid with this sucker, it wasnt cheap!
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post #4108 of 12546
7/11/12 at 3:07pm
No film cover on mine either
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post #4109 of 12546
7/11/12 at 3:09pm
Will I be able to input D-Nices final calibrated settings without the use of any software (ControlCal) and/or equipment? I am hoping that I can just look at his settings and use the remote control. I have finished the 100 hour slides. Thanks.
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post #4110 of 12546
7/11/12 at 3:16pm
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Will I be able to input D-Nices final calibrated settings without the use of any software (ControlCal) and/or equipment? I am hoping that I can just look at his settings and use the remote control. I have finished the 100 hour slides. Thanks.
Yes, because his settings will be for Custom Mode.
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