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post #4261 of 13477
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

That's why I said to let the dust settle. One thing to keep in mind here is that on top of all of the other variables, is that we have a tidal wave of people that have moved up in screen size. That combined with the heavily inconsistant quality of broadcasts can account for much if the reported issues including my own. I do not see the difference in the crispness of the guide when switching between 720 and 1080 however.
So much of this truly is NTS. This morning and last night I was seeing nothing but dithering and other "issues". This afternoon I threw on the set and was floored again.
I do think that sub par content could be sharper but I think we may be blowing things out of proportion.

Could there be another variable in the mix that is enabled/disabled on the sets where there are reported issues?

jdg
post #4262 of 13477
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

That's why I said to let the dust settle. One thing to keep in mind here is that on top of all of the other variables, is that we have a tidal wave of people that have moved up in screen size. That combined with the heavily inconsistant quality of broadcasts can account for much if the reported issues including my own. I do not see the difference in the crispness of the guide when switching between 720 and 1080 however.
So much of this truly is NTS. This morning and last night I was seeing nothing but dithering and other "issues". This afternoon I threw on the set and was floored again.
I do think that sub par content could be sharper but I think we may be blowing things out of proportion.

Good advice.

Although yesterday when I did the de-interlacing test on a static image it appeared to be OK. However with a motion resolution test having the AVR do it over the TV it was a significant difference. This is probably one of the things people are seeing. Something is odd with the VT50 de-interlacing on video with motion.
post #4263 of 13477
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

It probably is "better". But how is it better? The VT50 can make pretty graphs with small target windows (even then it'll still have errors). Move outside of a range of window sizes and your graphs won't look as good. Color is an example of one of those. What size tiny window represents what you view most of the time? My point here is unless the calibrators release what patterns/source they used the graphs really are meaningless. Plasmas are very touchy with the pesky ABL in the mix.
The VT50 is really about full calibration over the GT and ST. Color calibration being one of the key elements which makes the VT50 stand out. Unfortunately it can't be dialed in right unless Panasonic releases a CMS fix.
I'm sad to say *at the moment* your assessment is correct in regards to the $1000 more frown.gif 96hz mode is just a flicker fest on the VT50. I personally wouldn't watch a movie in that mode. Color won't really be that much better with a partially working CMS.
In my experience some of the reviews and user hype are really just promoting sales or other agendas.
No one can tell you what's the best for you or your bank account. However the VT50 has some broken/unrefined issues that really detract from being worth the extra $$ from the lower models. Panasonic could fix some of it in firmware... who knows.

Contrast around 75 in THX Bright Room mode and I do not notice any flickering. At 90+ flickering is obvious.
post #4264 of 13477
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Originally Posted by Ss10zidane View Post

Yo wilker I used your night settings and overall great picture but my blacks have a red tint to em that noticeable, is there some settings I can change to help it? And if others can try his settings to see if they get that red tint or if it's just me
Zero all the W/B settings
post #4265 of 13477
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Originally Posted by SpiffX View Post

In a previous post on this thread D-Nice answered that the VT50 was better than the ST50. Furthermore, the VT50 (not any of the other models) would be the only substitute if one of his Kuros were to breakdown... Something doesn't match.
Also, is the video processing better on the ST50?
I'd be pretty disappointed if I could have paid less for something that would perform better, and given that the 96Hz doesn't seem to be doing anything more than what you get at 60Hz (previous posts here also), we are left paying about 1000 more for a louvre screen...
Would love to hear comments from others (especially from D-Nice, who's been MIA for quite a while now).
Thanks.


$1000 more?

I originally bought the ST50 from Best Buy then after 2 weeks I returned and ordered the VT50. Even with an increased warranty the difference was only $450. I should be able to pick the VT50 on Tues.
post #4266 of 13477
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Unless it is somehow hardware related they should have a fix. Panasonic has known about it since the Value Electronics Shootout so there is no great revelation in complaints such as mine.
Last October I received a new A94 Mitsubishi LaserVue DLP and the Grayscale controls were not working properly. There had been no such problem in the previous year A91 model. I notified their service people who had not been aware of the problem. The situation was rectified via a firmware update in less than a month. It can be done.


Can you tell us how the LaserVue A94 compares to the PQ of the VT50? I've heard that the LaserVue is one of the most underrated sets out there.
post #4267 of 13477
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Contrast around 75 in THX Bright Room mode and I do not notice any flickering. At 90+ flickering is obvious.

thanks!

I have mine at 80 which translates to about 37-39fL for my ISF night mode. I'll try it at 75 for my night mode BR watching see if it improves.
post #4268 of 13477
I was re-reading the cnet review when I noticed about turning 3:2 to ON instead of Auto. Just wondering if people having issues with 1080i have checked this setting.
post #4269 of 13477
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

Zero all the W/B settings
do i leave the wb detail adjustment alone or zero them out and what about the hue and saturation and color detail adj and gamma detail adj lol sorry just want to know
post #4270 of 13477
Just had my 65VT50 calibrated by Kevin Miller,he did ISF DAY and ISF NIGHT for all 4 HDMI inputs and ISF3D for 2 HDMI inputs.What a diffrence in picture detail after calibration.For those living in the NY,NJ area that need thier vt50 calibrated go to ISFTV.COM and setup an appointment with Kevin Miller you will not be disappointed.
post #4271 of 13477
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Originally Posted by SiGGy View Post

No one can tell you what's the best for you or your bank account.
That's it in a nutshell.........
post #4272 of 13477
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

I was re-reading the cnet review when I noticed about turning 3:2 to ON instead of Auto. Just wondering if people having issues with 1080i have checked this setting.

Has anyone checked this?
post #4273 of 13477
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Originally Posted by Ice That Jaw View Post

$1000 more?
I originally bought the ST50 from Best Buy then after 2 weeks I returned and ordered the VT50. Even with an increased warranty the difference was only $450. I should be able to pick the VT50 on Tues.

The $1000 is probably referring one of the largest screen sizes and you are probably referring to one of the smallest screen sizes...

When I purchased my 65GT50, it was running about $350 more than the 65ST50 and $950 less than the 65VT50. I can't find a single place anywhere ( even places I would not buy from ) that has the 65VT50 for even 2X the difference ( from the 65ST50 ) you are suggesting...
post #4274 of 13477
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

I was re-reading the cnet review when I noticed about turning 3:2 to ON instead of Auto. Just wondering if people having issues with 1080i have checked this setting.

Has anyone checked this?

Its in my settings. You cant rely in auto just as mentioned by David k.

Set to on. If you have not, can explain a lot.
post #4275 of 13477
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Its in my settings. You cant rely in auto just as mentioned by David k.
Set to on. If you have not, can explain a lot.

Right.. but does it fix the deinterlacing issue?
post #4276 of 13477
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Right.. but does it fix the deinterlacing issue?

I've had 3:2 set to "on" since day one and all of my observations have been with it activated.
post #4277 of 13477
The GT is currently roughly $450 less than I paid for the VT - both at 65" size. I never owned the GT, but when I compared them at Magnolia and adjusted through preset settings on both there was a clear difference in PQ in favor of the VT. The colors were just a lot deeper IMO. Not that the GT was bad or anything, but I think people are getting a little caught up in what's wrong with the VT and kind of overlooking what's right about it (I do this as well). Everytime I have a slight issue with some Cable content or slight fan noise or whatever, I'll pop in a Blu Ray that absolutely floors me and brings me back to the reason of why I picked this TV. I am hoping the Cable sources improve as time goes on and catches up to this TV; but, in the mean time, I'm going to stop worrying about every slight issue and enjoy how awesome this picture is when fed with top source material.
post #4278 of 13477
Just got this baby calibrated and even my Verizon Fios HD channels look really good,ISF Calibration is the way to go.
post #4279 of 13477
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Originally Posted by NateDoggg View Post

The GT is currently roughly $450 less than I paid for the VT - both at 65" size. I never owned the GT, but when I compared them at Magnolia and adjusted through preset settings on both there was a clear difference in PQ in favor of the VT. The colors were just a lot deeper IMO. Not that the GT was bad or anything, but I think people are getting a little caught up in what's wrong with the VT and kind of overlooking what's right about it (I do this as well). Everytime I have a slight issue with some Cable content or slight fan noise or whatever, I'll pop in a Blu Ray that absolutely floors me and brings me back to the reason of why I picked this TV. I am hoping the Cable sources improve as time goes on and catches up to this TV; but, in the mean time, I'm going to stop worrying about every slight issue and enjoy how awesome this picture is when fed with top source material.

You stated ST50 versus VT50 but I am interested in where you see the 65VT50 only $450 more than the 65GT50....
post #4280 of 13477
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

You stated ST50 versus VT50 but I am interested in where you see the 65VT50 only $450 more than the 65GT50....

well...I paid $3k for my VT50 - and the GT50 is currently selling for roughly $2,550 new from reputable locations (Amazon, etc). I don't think I mentioned the ST at all in my previous post - if I did it was an error.
post #4281 of 13477
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Originally Posted by dvdmd1 View Post

Just got this baby calibrated and even my Verizon Fios HD channels look really good,ISF Calibration is the way to go.

Who calibrated it?
post #4282 of 13477
For those who are using a stb/avr to deinterlace.. are you going with 1080p or 720p?
post #4283 of 13477
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Can you tell us how the LaserVue A94 compares to the PQ of the VT50? I've heard that the LaserVue is one of the most underrated sets out there.


The VT50 is the better display.

A94: Although the minimum light level is an impressive 0.003 Foot Lamberts, the ANSI (real world) contrast ratio is poor probably due to light being reflecting around the inside of the box and contaminating the dark areas. The higher the Average Picture Ratio, the worse the black, but this might only be noticed by a critical viewer. A dark room is the preferred viewing environment as the screen is very reflective. On the plus side, the A94 calibrates quite well, does 3D better than any other display type, doesn't need bulb changes, is quiet, and the 75" is comfortably viewed at 10 feet. Off angle viewing is a little better than LCD but nowhere near as good as plasma. Everything considered, it's a good display but not as good as the 2012 Panasonics.
post #4284 of 13477
Delighted to say that the wife and I purchased a 55" VT50 today. We were debating between the 60" GT50, and the 55 VT50. While our viewing distance of 9-12" lent itself to the 60", the wall would location would probably not accommodate a TV of that size. Also, something about that single pane of glass grabs me - I could the TV is so stunning I could watch it when its turned off!

This will be our main TV in the living room, replacing a 5+ year old 42" Samsung plasma. The Samsung still works great; I just felt this a was a good time for an upgrade. The increase in screen size will be great, but hoping that a full 1080p TV vs. the Samsung at 1080i will be nice too (not sure we'll see the difference from our viewing distance). Hopefully all the other features make this a worthwhile upgrade and the Samsung can now retire to another room!

We're yet to turn the TV on, but have it unboxed and on the stand. Inspected closely and the build looks good. Now just running through a checklist of what to do first with this TV. Do I simply enjoy it, or run break in slides for 100hrs. I'm a little nervous of burn in, and understand the break in slides don't prevent this, but still prefer the first 100 hrs to be something other than regular TV with logos etc. Plans are to use the TV in one of the THX modes and explore a calibration in the future (hoping to find someone highly recommended in Atlanta).

Also, off to monoprice now to order a v1.4 HDMI cable (still running V1.3a on Sammy), a couple of those 90 degree converters, and a new slim mount.

Any thoughts on the following would be very helpful:
1) Can anyone post or PM me the link to the break in slides?
2) Can anyone recommend a good slim mount from monoprice?
post #4285 of 13477
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Originally Posted by NateDoggg View Post

well...I paid $3k for my VT50 - and the GT50 is currently selling for roughly $2,550 new from reputable locations (Amazon, etc). I don't think I mentioned the ST at all in my previous post - if I did it was an error.

Yes I know the Amazon.com price for the 65GT50 ( there is where I got my set a couple weeks ago when it was just under $2500 ). The 65VT50 was selling for almost $1K more at that time so it was a no brainer ( for my purposes, i.e. was not going to seek some else to professional calibrate my set, etc. ) to go with the 65GT50. It is now selling for $3370 on amazon.com which is still over $850 difference.

For whatever reason you seem to be evading my question which is where can I find the 65VT50 for the difference of less than $450 ( you must have had a typo regarding the ST50 but regardless still interested in knowing this info ) from the 65GT50. I am still in the 30 day window at Amazon.com and $450 is a very small price differential to get the all glass design, better ( potentially anyway ) calibration controls, and slightly better black levels, with less reflections during the day...
post #4286 of 13477
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

For those who are using a stb/avr to deinterlace.. are you going with 1080p or 720p?
I have my box set to 720
post #4287 of 13477
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Originally Posted by PhilH930 View Post

Delighted to say that the wife and I purchased a 55" VT50 today. We were debating between the 60" GT50, and the 55 VT50. While our viewing distance of 9-12" lent itself to the 60", the wall would location would probably not accommodate a TV of that size. Also, something about that single pane of glass grabs me - I could the TV is so stunning I could watch it when its turned off!
This will be our main TV in the living room, replacing a 5+ year old 42" Samsung plasma. The Samsung still works great; I just felt this a was a good time for an upgrade. The increase in screen size will be great, but hoping that a full 1080p TV vs. the Samsung at 1080i will be nice too (not sure we'll see the difference from our viewing distance). Hopefully all the other features make this a worthwhile upgrade and the Samsung can now retire to another room!
We're yet to turn the TV on, but have it unboxed and on the stand. Inspected closely and the build looks good. Now just running through a checklist of what to do first with this TV. Do I simply enjoy it, or run break in slides for 100hrs. I'm a little nervous of burn in, and understand the break in slides don't prevent this, but still prefer the first 100 hrs to be something other than regular TV with logos etc. Plans are to use the TV in one of the THX modes and explore a calibration in the future (hoping to find someone highly recommended in Atlanta).
Also, off to monoprice now to order a v1.4 HDMI cable (still running V1.3a on Sammy), a couple of those 90 degree converters, and a new slim mount.
Any thoughts on the following would be very helpful:
1) Can anyone post or PM me the link to the break in slides?
2) Can anyone recommend a good slim mount from monoprice?

Nice. I originally bought the 55ST50 and had it for 2 weeks. I returned it for the 55VT50 but I have yet to pick it up.

I also upgraded from a 5 year old Samsung but it was an LCD. To be honest though, it's blacks almost compare to these Panasonics. It also is much clearer close up. When it comes to shadow detail, it fails miserably and that is why I am glad I finally switched to plasma. The uniformity in blacks is also a huge advantage. The disadavantages I noticed with my ST50 was the uniformity in whites which was not great. Even after 2 weeks of break-in I never saw uniform whites and the heat was ridiculous.

That said, I hope my new VT50 will show even better shadow details. I don't expect the dithering, white uniformity, or heat to be any better but that alright with me.


As far as the break in slides go:

I watched nothing but blu-ray movies with black bars for the first few days of viewing. After that I viewed mostly Netlifx streaming shows in full 16:9 so I never worried about image retention. When I did play some games I never noticed any of it. I did not have any static images displaying for more than 2 hours so I can't vouch for that.


Here is a link to some slides.These aren't D-Nice's slide though. I just googled them. I think I might use them on my new VT50 though because they seem more in depth as far as colors go.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/hdtv-video-displays-processors/52673-plasma-break-how-properly-break-your-new-plasma-display.html
Edited by Ice That Jaw - 7/14/12 at 10:59pm
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I tried plugging in my ntfs formatted hard drive today and basically the tv would turn off then turn back on when I choose the video section in viera tools. Should this drive be formatted ntfs or fat32 ? It is a big drive (2tb) so it may have been still trying to read everything. Anyone else have this problem ?
post #4289 of 13477
Kevin Miller from isftv.com calibrated my 65VT50.
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Originally Posted by dvdmd1 View Post

Kevin Miller from isftv.com calibrated my 65VT50.

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