Official Panasonic VT50 owners thread - Page 157

Thoughts on the processing power of a pioneer elite sc 61?

nice to the point.
I love this set. Every tv has problems go buy the set and stop reading the fourms like someone said before.

As mentioned before I just switched from RCN cable to FiOS with their new DVR box CHS435 and I am not experiencing 1080i issues I also ordered the Integra 80.3 Processor with the HQV Vida chip, which is the latest and greatest solution from IDT. This chip is highly regarded, so I will report back once I receive it.

Thanks,I actually own the GT50 (was concidering an upgrade at one point) but the grainy dithering in the back ground is present on both models. I agree that it is my only real beef with these TV's. Since the processor's don't seem to help with this issue, i think i will just keep what i have and and enjoy the otherwise amazing PQ.

The Onkyo that I am installing at this very moment has that chip. I am running an update which is taking forever. As soon as it is done, I am going to get my first look at what this chip can do. Will update.

Have people actually put the VT50 side by side with another display of comparable picture quality to see if these "softness, graininess, flattening" etc. "issues" are really the VT50's fault?

In the computer industry, we have a saying "garbage in, garbage out". In the CRT days, I had Sony studio monitors, and while they looked great with nice quality input, they also readily showed the flaws af bad quality input. I didn't blame the monitors, though.

Every HD input source is compressed video. I'm not going to be convinced that the VT50 has a problem without side-by-side comparisons, and I sure wouldn't want Panasonic to start overprocessing video to cover up flaws with poor quality input material at the expense of picture quality with good quality input material. I want to see as accurate a representation of the video as possible, good or bad.

Michael

That will be awesome, look forward to hearing from you..

I couldn't agree more with this statement. You also need to consider that different technology Plasma vs LCD/LED also have different visual attributes that contribute to your perception of the picture quality. So you really need to compare apples with apples not apples with oranges.

Did anyone try using David Katzmaier's settings on CNET? How does it compare to Troopers settings? I don't want to bother switching if its not worth it. BTW..is there a way to add and store multiple settings in custom mode that you can choose from or are you stuck with one stored setting at a time?

The cnet settings are the result of a real d65 calibration, but this is usually not something that can be copied to other sets with good results (but you can still use them as a starting point, i.e., without the custom color and white balance). Topper's settings are just his personal preference, and would actually be way off from a real calibration because he has switched to a cooler color tone (but it seems he has also used posted settings as a starting point).

Change Contrast 1 single click and you have a 50/50 chance of improving your picture. Use all of the settings from someone else's calibration and the odds remain the same.

1 setting per input so place one "calibration" in HDMI1, another in HDMI2, etc.

I've never heard of the Directv HR-100, are you sure you got that right? Is all of you video running through hdmi?

What equipment did you use to calibrate your tv? Which disks do you use when you state that you're testing?

It's important to know this information in order for me and others to clearly understand what you're saying and seeing and/or to relate it to our own experiences. Thanks.

Rogo, have you had a chance to check out the Denon yet?

Very good to hear. Those who own the V2312 may very well have the same result since the 6006 is essentially a clone of the 3312CI.

The CNET settings are for the ST50 though. Where are the settings for the VT50? Are they hidden somewhere?

CNET VT50 settings

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-564711/panasonic-tc-p65vt50-picture-settings/?tag=StickyWin_1338818924521;createThreadPopup

Looking at the linked calibration report it appears that there might have been a bad read at 50% white. I've seen nothing like that. Also, the gamma dip at 90% is a bit weird. Why didn't they adjust it? The real gamma problem I've seen on two VT50s is that even though 80, 90, and 100% are flat, 85 is high and 95 is low.

I also have a DirecTV HR-100, but that's not it.

Don't you mean HRXX-100. 20,21,23,24,34?

That's what I was thinking but it I wasn't sure it wasn't actually a very old model. Also, I believe that some of those performs differently as far as video processing is concerned.

I'm wondering if he has the HR20?

Updates please?

Sorry, was not paying attention. Its the HR24-100

Ok I will provide a better update when I have more time. Long story short, the processor is quite good and if the AVR suited me better overall I would keep it. But here is the skinny. I can add edge enhancement as Low Medium and High. Even low looks crisper but it also adds artifacts and makes the image look harsh. But set on low, the positives almost outweigh the negatives.
Out of either processor I have tried, it is not possible to make the image any sharper without introducing harshness and artifacts although not to obvious on low. Passing 1080P directly to the set has never once shown me to be of any benefit or proven to be doing a better job than the set itself.

The Onkyo did not feel right to me for other than video reasons, and is already boxed up. Of all the testing I have done with these processors, I am much more confident in claiming that my particular setup has zero issues with 1080i and the image being produced is about as pure and clean as I have seen in a television. My Kuro may have been a little better at crap content, but I do not watch crap. Anything that is not overly compressed looks excellent. Aside from a little more dithering than I would like, I am 100% satisfied with the set and stand by my review word for word. I will be adding a section regarding the dithering however.

Will try to articulate a bit better when I have time later.

For those that can't seem to figure out my setup. I am normally running HDMI from HR24-100 to my Yamaha RX-V671 and then to the set. Not rocket science. For the time being, I am back to having the DUO Green in between the DVR and the AVR. It can sharpen the image but at a cost.
Edited by TopperMcFly - 7/21/12 at 4:39pm

You're absolutely right! It's a HR20-100.

Thanks, I am afraid that is where I am headed as well. I already have a Pio Elite AVR with the ABT1015 that feeds the TV, and I am very happy with the picture. GIGO is right, and no set is perfect. No external VPs for me, for now. Thanks again.

The 24 and I believe 34 use a different color space than the other receivers.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1261935/directv-hr-24-hdmi-brightness

Yes HR24 is YCbCr444 BT.709 24 bit