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post #4801 of 13472
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Your comments are rude and uncalled for. You have done nothing but bash this set and people that like it. Kind of funny to me that you still own one. You were one of the main culprits in spreading the"bad pan" hysteria. Not many people deny the dithering issue including myself. But that is very different than claiming the set is unable to resolve 1080i properly. Instead of blasting the set and the people here, how about you try actually contributing?

Rude? Who did I blast?

You dear are the one who blows things out of proportion. Why is it that anyone who disagrees with you must be evil?

BTW, why are you still looking for a processor to add to your VT50?
Edited by sheshechic - 7/24/12 at 8:49am
post #4802 of 13472
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

My settings are a hodge podge of settings from others and my own. I used the settings from the settings thread and skin tones were yellow and green. These settings on my set look quite good to my eye.
I would love to hear how others eyes take to them. May regret that but I still want to know. biggrin.gif

In addition to your eye, what equipment did you use to develop your settings?
post #4803 of 13472
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Rude? Who did I blast?
You dear are the one who blows things out of proportion. Why is it that anyone who disagrees with you must be evil?
BTW, why are you still looking for a processor to add to your VT50?

Basically saying that people who like this set are sheeple was very rude...and ignorant...if you don't like this set then get rid of it and go away. But, if you're gonna call people names who like this set and don't think there are major problems with it, then you can go get bent.
post #4804 of 13472
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Your comments are rude and uncalled for. You have done nothing but bash this set and people that like it. Kind of funny to me that you still own one. You were one of the main culprits in spreading the"bad pan" hysteria. Not many people deny the dithering issue including myself. But that is very different than claiming the set is unable to resolve 1080i properly. Instead of blasting the set and the people here, how about you try actually contributing?

Rude? Who did I blast?

You dear are the one who blows things out of proportion. Why is it that anyone who disagrees with you must be evil?

BTW, why are you still looking for a processor to add to your VT50?

Who is disagreeing with me? And about what? I am not sure I have not had a serious disagreement with anyone since you last graced us with your presense several weeks ago, It is common knowledge that I think the dithering is indeed unpleasant on this set but as a seperate issue the 1080i reports are not consistant across the board. I was simply defending those you are calling "sheeple" because they choose to post an opinion other than "The picture looks terrible on this television". And who is still looking for a processor? Do you even read this thread?
Edited by TopperMcFly - 7/24/12 at 9:19am
post #4805 of 13472
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Originally Posted by NateDoggg View Post

Basically saying that people who like this set are sheeple was very rude...and ignorant...if you don't like this set then get rid of it and go away. But, if you're gonna call people names who like this set and don't think there are major problems with it, then you can go get bent.

It is their compulsion to defend or deny this flaw that I find unrealistic in a way that makes them seem to be sheeple.

Well that is how it seems to me. using the urban dictionary definition:
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A individual that forfits their right to choose in favor of inclusion in groupthink and what is viewed as popular or elete group. Allowing the influences of different forms of media and group members to hold great sway in the formation of attitudes, behavior and opinion.

I'm sorry for being so blunt.

Also, I don't see anyone having a problem with the insulting attitudes towards those who view this year's models realistically and speakout about the flaws, who search for improvement because we otherwise love our tvs. Yes we love them and we know that the only alternative is to accept a tv that most likely will have unacceptable buzz. Oh and on that topic, we who do not hear buzz have been slammed as well in this forum. So... please give me a break.

Edit: This is the question I was addressing: "It seems like many people are reporting these issues so why are so many others in denial? "
post #4806 of 13472
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Just to prove that this softness issue is either overblown or not apparent on all sets, I finally got a chance to pull my 500m into the same room as my VT50 again. Both are using a Directv STB. Here is what I found

Good 1080i source
For this test I used Comedy Central and Food Network. Both sets look nearly identical in terms of sharpness. The 500m was a a little clearer (less dithering for example) but I expected this since the Kuro has a better video processor.

Good 720p source
Same as above

Bad 1080i/720p Source
I used ABC and was watching jeopardy. This channels is pretty bad in my area (blocky pixelates faces as times and softness is very apparent) I could see a difference between the two TVs here. The Kuro did a better job with cleaning up the bad picture and did a better job hiding the pixelation look on the faces. But it wasn't night and day difference.

That is what I found. You can make your own conclusions

There seems to be a direct correlation between this 1080i thing and what STB and/or provider is being used. So far, nobody using Directv is reporting this probelm with 1080i looking different than 720P. Worth looking into.
post #4807 of 13472
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It is their compulsion to defend or deny this flaw that I find unrealistic in a way that makes them seem to be sheeple.
Well that is how it seems to me. using the urban dictionary definition:
I'm sorry for being so blunt.
Also, I don't see anyone having a problem with the insulting attitudes towards those who view this year's models realistically and speakout about the flaws, who search for improvement because we otherwise love our tvs. Yes we love them and we know that the only alternative is to accept a tv that most likely will have unacceptable buzz. Oh and on that topic, we who do not hear buzz have been slammed as well in this forum. So... please give me a break.

Denying the flaw? No one has proven that this is a flaw with every TV. Until then, as far as I am concerned, there is a bad batch of VT50s out there or the source or STB is the issue

I do not have an issue (as you can see above with my comparison). I'll admit, I thought I had an issue for awhile but that was me reading this thread and TRYING to find the issue.

To classify me as a sheeple.. well I am offended
post #4808 of 13472
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Originally Posted by StuartJAX View Post

This may have been talking about already, but I am seeing posterization in colors on my VT50. I can really see it on commercials that have color gradients in the background and it will divided into 3-4 bands of color. I watch using the THX Bright Room and also have tried the CNET calibration settings. We have Comcast and watch HD programming on the major channels. Do other people have this as well? Could it be signal compression through the cable?

Yeah, it is normal. A cal can sometimes help a little, but it is the nature of the plasma beast. I dare say it is a lilttle more noticeable on this set.
post #4809 of 13472
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Denying the flaw? No one has proven that this is a flaw with every TV. Until then, as far as I am concerned, there is a bad batch of VT50s out there or the source or STB is the issue

And there you have it. rolleyes.gif
post #4810 of 13472
I had my 55VT50 calibrated by Chad B. last month, he did ISF Day, ISF Night, and ISF 3D for all 4 HDMI inputs. He spent over 3 hours calibrating the TV while I tried my best to not disturb or distract him. What I really liked is that he asked me what I liked and didn't like. THX Cinema mode was a little too dark for me and THX Bright Room mode was a little too light, so he calibrated the TV in the middle of the two. This is something you don't get when you use some settings that someone else has used setup for their set.

My son and I were talking just last night about how great the picture looked. I'm still amazed at the quality of the color and picture detail and how great it looks after calibration compared to the THX Modes and my previous Panasonic Plasmas.

For those living in Chad’s area that need their VT50 calibrated I highly recommend you get in touch with Chad through a PM or check out his site at http://hdtvbychadb.com/. You won’t be disappointed.

Dan
post #4811 of 13472
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Originally Posted by StuartJAX View Post

This may have been talking about already, but I am seeing posterization in colors on my VT50. I can really see it on commercials that have color gradients in the background and it will divided into 3-4 bands of color. I watch using the THX Bright Room and also have tried the CNET calibration settings. We have Comcast and watch HD programming on the major channels. Do other people have this as well? Could it be signal compression through the cable?

Have you tried making any adjustments to your box? How many tvs are connected to your service and do you see the same thing on them? I recently switched back to Charter and have 5 outlets. When I had their service before I was seeing a lot of posterization but not nearly as much now since they installed a signal booster this time.
post #4812 of 13472
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It is their compulsion to defend or deny this flaw that I find unrealistic in a way that makes them seem to be sheeple.
Well that is how it seems to me. using the urban dictionary definition:
I'm sorry for being so blunt.
Also, I don't see anyone having a problem with the insulting attitudes towards those who view this year's models realistically and speakout about the flaws, who search for improvement because we otherwise love our tvs. Yes we love them and we know that the only alternative is to accept a tv that most likely will have unacceptable buzz. Oh and on that topic, we who do not hear buzz have been slammed as well in this forum. So... please give me a break.
Edit: This is the question I was addressing: "It seems like many people are reporting these issues so why are so many others in denial? "

You were using the term in a deragatory sense. It's not about speaking out in flaws - it's disrespecting those that don't experience the flaws. I can do the same thing by the way.

It is the compulsion of some to try and find every little flaw whether present or not that I find unrealistic in a way that makes them seem to be a$$holes.
post #4813 of 13472
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Denying the flaw? No one has proven that this is a flaw with every TV. Until then, as far as I am concerned, there is a bad batch of VT50s out there or the source or STB is the issue

And there you have it. rolleyes.gif

Have what? Have someone that takes thier personal time going through the trouble to drag a huge TV through their house in an attempt to help us better troubleshoot an issue some people are dealing with? If that's what you meant, then yeah, there you have it.

Thanks Jbrady for actually contributing. smile.gif
post #4814 of 13472
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

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Originally Posted by StuartJAX View Post

This may have been talking about already, but I am seeing posterization in colors on my VT50. I can really see it on commercials that have color gradients in the background and it will divided into 3-4 bands of color. I watch using the THX Bright Room and also have tried the CNET calibration settings. We have Comcast and watch HD programming on the major channels. Do other people have this as well? Could it be signal compression through the cable?

Have you tried making any adjustments to your box? How many tvs are connected to your service and do you see the same thing on them? I recently switched back to Charter and have 5 outlets. When I had their service before I was seeing a lot of posterization but not nearly as much now since they installed a signal booster this time.

Lets not start denying the fault of posterization. We all have it.
post #4815 of 13472
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Lets not start denying the fault of posterization. We all have it.

I didn't deny anything dear.
post #4816 of 13472
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

And there you have it. rolleyes.gif

Nope, I don't have it
post #4817 of 13472
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Lets not start denying the fault of posterization. We all have it.

I'd agree because of plasmas low bit panels. Watching commercials is terrible with compressed cable signals:(

BTW what's with your sig, the record at an eating contest is 65 eggs. Just saying, not trying to start something:)
post #4818 of 13472
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Lets not start denying the fault of posterization. We all have it.

I'd agree because of plasmas low bit panels. Watching commercials is terrible with compressed cable signals:(

BTW what's with your sig, the record at an eating contest is 65 eggs. Just saying, not trying to start something:)

Roflmfo Thanks bro, I needed a good laugh. It is a quote from Cool Hand Luke with Paul Newman. Guess that may not be to well known for many here.
post #4819 of 13472
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Just to prove that this softness issue is either overblown or not apparent on all sets, I finally got a chance to pull my 500m into the same room as my VT50 again. Both are using a Directv STB. Here is what I found
Good 1080i source
For this test I used Comedy Central and Food Network. Both sets look nearly identical in terms of sharpness. The 500m was a a little clearer (less dithering for example) but I expected this since the Kuro has a better video processor.
Good 720p source
Same as above
Bad 1080i/720p Source
I used ABC and was watching jeopardy. This channels is pretty bad in my area (blocky pixelates faces as times and softness is very apparent) I could see a difference between the two TVs here. The Kuro did a better job with cleaning up the bad picture and did a better job hiding the pixelation look on the faces. But it wasn't night and day difference.
That is what I found. You can make your own conclusions

It is certainly nice to see an A/B comparison like this. I'm just not understanding how a TV can "clean up a bad picture" and "hide pixelation". without ruining a good picture. That would require some very sophisticated DSP, where the TV would assess the picture quality, and unenhance edges and engage smoothing algorithms to smooth pixelation, and employ noise reduction on poor quality video, while automatically and quickly turning those features off with good quality video. Was the TV industry at that level when the Kuro was built, or is it even at that level today?

Michael
post #4820 of 13472
Unless you all need 65" and all the endless features, I had the GT50 and returned it, VT was too big. GET THE U50 at Costco $649 and 2 year warranty. You won't be disappointed. VT, GT, ST are overpriced with marketing gimmicks.
post #4821 of 13472
Good luck getting that U50 fully calibrated in the user menu. biggrin.gif
post #4822 of 13472
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Denying the flaw? No one has proven that this is a flaw with every TV. Until then, as far as I am concerned, there is a bad batch of VT50s out there or the source or STB is the issue
I do not have an issue (as you can see above with my comparison). I'll admit, I thought I had an issue for awhile but that was me reading this thread and TRYING to find the issue.
To classify me as a sheeple.. well I am offended

I understand what you're saying as far as comparing the tv to your Kuro and it may be important for those who currently own Kuros, and those who want a Kuro. However, whether the these tv's have more, less or the same dithering than the Kuro isn't really the point to people when there are other tvs-plasmas- that don't exhibit noise like this when watching anything other than a blu-ray and that is the point that realistically cannot be ignored.

I haven't hooked it up to an antenna yet but I will dig one up and see what results I get and I will connect the cable directly. I also have a Denon V2313 on the way.

I'm sorry to have insulted anyone, truly.
post #4823 of 13472
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

I understand what you're saying as far as comparing the tv to your Kuro and it may be important for those who currently own Kuros, and those who want a Kuro. However, whether the these tv's have more, less or the same dithering than the Kuro isn't really the point to people when there are other tvs-plasmas- that don't exhibit noise like this when watching anything other than a blu-ray and that is the point that realistically cannot be ignored.
I haven't hooked it up to an antenna yet but I will dig one up and see what results I get and I will connect the cable directly. I also have a Denon V2313 on the way.
I'm sorry to have insulted anyone, truly.

Well, actually, I wasn't really offended, but just pointing out that you should choose your words more wisely.

Dithering is part of the plasma tech, it just happens that the VT50 exhibits the most dithering. I wasn't doing the a/b test to compare dithering, I was doing it to compare softness and that was the only point I was making.

I just pulled out my Tivo from my comcast days (less than 2 months ago). I will try an a/b comparison on the VT50 between the comcast tivo feed and directv. Should be an interesting test.
Edited by jbrady3324 - 7/24/12 at 11:23am
post #4824 of 13472
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Originally Posted by rclarkrep View Post

Unless you all need 65" and all the endless features, I had the GT50 and returned it, VT was too big. GET THE U50 at Costco $649 and 2 year warranty. You won't be disappointed. VT, GT, ST are overpriced with marketing gimmicks.

I never tested the UT - but from what I saw at multiple stores, it had more glare than any TV I saw - just food for thought for those like me who have natural light in their viewing area. Because of my viewing situation, I had to dismiss it before I could even evaluate the picture.
post #4825 of 13472
Hope I can explain this correctly. Just got 65VT50. When I open up vieracast, all the apps/widgets open surrounding my current feed in the middle. The background is blue. When I use the arrows to select a app/widget, all I get is the beeps, but no smal box highlighting my navigation. Called Panny and we reset the TV to no avail. He basically thought that I was an idiot. Went down to BB and theirs worked normally where this is a blue box highlighting the app as well as the beeps. Am I missing something here? Do you all have bluebackgrounds and a highlighted app box? Thanks!
post #4826 of 13472
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Originally Posted by blackscorpio View Post

Thank you for the tip.
Experts, I need help. I recently bought an Radiance Mini to use with my VT50 in anticipation that Mini will help me with my source content which is 90% SD or worse. I don't understand the basics of VP but I bought the Mini after reading the reviews here. To test it out I tried few videos, here is an example of what I did.
Equipment for the test
Seagate Freeagent Theater+ media player
Denon 3312 AVR(I disabled all VP on the AVR)
Radiance Mini (I just did the basic settings)
Panasonic 55VT50.
All my inputs go to AVR and then to Mini to the TV.
I played this Media File :
File type : .avi
Video: MPEG4 640*480 23fps
Audio: AC3 3Ch 48KHz
I played the same file with and without the Mini and we didn't notice any PQ difference.
Am I doing it right? Did I select correct source for testing? Will Mini help with VT50? comments? suggestions? recommendations? all are helpful.
BTW, just today I emailed Lumagen support to see if my settings are right on the Mini and also to get help to better configure the Mini.
TIA

any one have any opinions, please.
post #4827 of 13472
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

I understand what you're saying as far as comparing the tv to your Kuro and it may be important for those who currently own Kuros, and those who want a Kuro. However, whether the these tv's have more, less or the same dithering than the Kuro isn't really the point to people when there are other tvs-plasmas- that don't exhibit noise like this when watching anything other than a blu-ray and that is the point that realistically cannot be ignored.
I haven't hooked it up to an antenna yet but I will dig one up and see what results I get and I will connect the cable directly. I also have a Denon V2313 on the way.
I'm sorry to have insulted anyone, truly.

Well, actually, I wasn't really offended, but just pointing out that you should choose your words more wisely.

Dithering is part of the plasma tech, it just happens that the VT50 exhibits the most dithering. I wasn't doing the a/b test to compare dithering, I was doing it to compare softness and that was the only point I was making.

I just pulled out my Tivo from my comcast days (less than 2 months ago). I will try an a/b comparison on the VT50 between the comcast tivo feed and directv. Should be an interesting test.

I am quite interested in the results of this test. I agee that the 1080i issue and dithering got mixed up by some people as being the same thing. The dithering is annoying, and we all know that and its not going to get fixed. I saw it on day one and accepted it on day one. The 1080i issue is seperate and really seems tied to a STB or provider issue as I do not experience it in any way. I say this because every time I find myeslf in awe of PQ while watching a show, I hit a button on my AVR remote to find that it is feeding the set 1080i. This 1080i thing really seems to be the only loose end that has not been 100% understood as it certainly is not consistant with everyone like dithering is.

It is also becoming more clear to me that Directv may be a step above in terms of PQ being delivered to the set.

Keep us posted J
post #4828 of 13472
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Originally Posted by apeas2 View Post

Hope I can explain this correctly. Just got 65VT50. When I open up vieracast, all the apps/widgets open surrounding my current feed in the middle. The background is blue. When I use the arrows to select a app/widget, all I get is the beeps, but no smal box highlighting my navigation. Called Panny and we reset the TV to no avail. He basically thought that I was an idiot. Went down to BB and theirs worked normally where this is a blue box highlighting the app as well as the beeps. Am I missing something here? Do you all have bluebackgrounds and a highlighted app box? Thanks!

Sounds like a defect to me for sure. Did you perform the firmware upgrade? That may help. It sucks having people talk to you like an idot. Just keep at it until it gets resolved. I would return it if a firmware update does not solve it.
post #4829 of 13472
I went through every channel on Fios last night and then again this morning in a light room. I really didn't see anything that I would consider out of the ordinary. Poor SD looked poor, though I was surprised how good some of it looked. I don't know. This is my first plasma. I'm coming from a Samsung DLP. Maybe I don't know what dithering looks like.

My set-up: Fios 7232 DVR/Oppo BDP 83 - ISCAN Duo feeding the 65VT50 1080p. I also tried 1080i. I cycled between the two many times looking for issues. At some point, I had an epiphany. If I have to cycle back and forth so many times that either there is no issue, I just can't see it, or I'm insane.
post #4830 of 13472
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I went through every channel on Fios last night and then again this morning in a light room. I really didn't see anything that I would consider out of the ordinary. Poor SD looked poor, though I was surprised how good some of it looked. I don't know. This is my first plasma. I'm coming from a Samsung DLP. Maybe I don't know what dithering looks like.

My set-up: Fios 7232 DVR/Oppo BDP 83 - ISCAN Duo feeding the 65VT50 1080p. I also tried 1080i. I cycled between the two many times looking for issues. At some point, I had an epiphany. If I have to cycle back and forth so many times that either there is no issue, I just can't see it, or I'm insane.

Thank you and please STOP looking for dithering. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. wink.gif

How do you like the DUO? Out of curiousity, for cable/sat content what do you set detail and edge enhancement to if above zero?
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