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post #5041 of 13486
It is interesting how people "think" they can set up there surround sound systems. I was flat out amazed with the pro audessy audio calibration. Just amazing !!
post #5042 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jeffscott72 View Post

Chad B came to my house Friday and calibrated my 65VT50. He did ISF Day, Night, and Day 3D. He also did a pro audessy audio calibration on my AVR. Everything looks and sounds awesome! Check his website (www.hdtvbychadb.com) for rates and services.
Thanks for posting your report. I've added a link to it in the flat panel (post #2) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

We watch a lot of movies as well as listen to music, so having our audio calibrated by UMR also made a big difference. tongue.gif

Which AVR do you have?
post #5043 of 13486
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

I agree completely with D-Nice's opinion and analysis of the VT50 (as you can see in my review) but at the end of the day the VT50 stands firm and is a worthy contender to the Kuro. I could not be happier with the purchase. You can call it Kuro-lite cool.gif
Yup. That is why it is the only display currently available that I would consider if one of my Kuros could not be repaired.
That was D-Nice's last post in this thread (and Forum) one month ago. I've tried to contact him for a calibration in Houston (via email) without success. Just wondering if anyone around here has heard from him or if anyone has had him calibrate his/her set recently?
Edited by SpiffX - 7/29/12 at 8:41pm
post #5044 of 13486
I still haven't decided if I am going to sell my Kuro. I looked at the Elite LCD's again last night and I am still impressed. I love the image of the VT50 though. I did discover that I think I do have the red tint issue on my Kuro like many other users. I don't see it in content though, only faintly on a completely blank screen with no lights on. Otherwise I can't pick it up. Every tv is going to have issues though so it is something I can deal with as I am still very happy with the image on my Kuro. Black levels don't look as deep at times though (with no lights on) but that could be because of the red tint issue. I honestly would have never noticed it if I hadn't found that thread (which says something). Overall it's still tempting. I also checked out the VT50 more and again great display. This is harder than I thought it would be.

Knowing me, I will still have the good old Kuro when it's all said and done smile.gif.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks for posting your report. I've added a link to it in the flat panel (post #2) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.
We watch a lot of movies as well as listen to music, so having our audio calibrated by UMR also made a big difference. tongue.gif
Which AVR do you have?

I have a Denon AVR-1912. The picture and the sound is awesome! Now I'm going to save up for a good sub as that was the weak link in my audio system. I'll definitely ask Chad to come back and recalibrate the AVR when I upgrade the sub.
Edited by jeffscott72 - 7/30/12 at 9:04pm
post #5046 of 13486
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I still haven't decided if I am going to sell my Kuro. I looked at the Elite LCD's again last night and I am still impressed. I love the image of the VT50 though. I did discover that I think I do have the red tint issue on my Kuro like many other users. I don't see it in content though, only faintly on a completely blank screen with no lights on. Otherwise I can't pick it up. Every tv is going to have issues though so it is something I can deal with as I am still very happy with the image on my Kuro. Black levels don't look as deep at times though (with no lights on) but that could be because of the red tint issue. I honestly would have never noticed it if I hadn't found that thread (which says something). Overall it's still tempting. I also checked out the VT50 more and again great display. This is harder than I thought it would be.
Knowing me, I will still have the good old Kuro when it's all said and done smile.gif.

It is not like the VT50 is a night and day upgrade over the KURO but in my opinion the 65 inches plus 3D plus slightly better PQ with Blu Ray and high quality broadcast sources was enough o pull the trigger ( after selling my KURO it was less than a grand to upgrade and now I have a 4 year warranty as well ). I am not the kind of person that is going to watch a low quality broadcast signal regardless so the fact that the KURO is MUCH better in this area was a non issues for me. The motion handling is better on the KURO as well ( as 72 HZ works flawlessly ) but I don't notice any issues with panning, etc. on my 65GT50 unless the source is crap and again I wouldn't typically watch such on the KURO either.
post #5047 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jeffscott72 View Post

I have a Denon AVR-1912. I also mistakenly said that I had the Audyssey Pro Calibration done, it was actually the Advanced Audio calibration. The picture and the sound is awesome! Now I'm going to save up for a good sub as that was the weak link in my audio system. I'll definitely ask Chad to come back and recalibrate the AVR when I upgrade the sub.

I would love to have Chad do the Audyssey Pro Calibration on my Denon 3311 if he came to calibrate my TVs but the audio calibration is even more then the display calibration! I will have a hard time justifying getting my TV(s) calibrated to the wife let alone spending even more on the audio. Do you notice THAT much of a difference?
post #5048 of 13486
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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

It is not like the VT50 is a night and day upgrade over the KURO but in my opinion the 65 inches plus 3D plus slightly better PQ with Blu Ray and high quality broadcast sources was enough o pull the trigger ( after selling my KURO it was less than a grand to upgrade and now I have a 4 year warranty as well ). I am not the kind of person that is going to watch a low quality broadcast signal regardless so the fact that the KURO is MUCH better in this area was a non issues for me. The motion handling is better on the KURO as well ( as 72 HZ works flawlessly ) but I don't notice any issues with panning, etc. on my 65GT50 unless the source is crap and again I wouldn't typically watch such on the KURO either.


Thanks Tony. I honestly don't care about 3D but the extra 5 inches would be nice. It will cost me right at a grand if I went with the VT50. I don't think I could justify the Elite LCD regardless because it would be over double that if I decided to go that route and basically be the same size and same picture (or close enough). My warranty expires in less than a year so it would be nice to have a new set with a new 3+ year warranty. I love my Kuro even with the possible red tint issue so I am trying to consider all of my options carefully.
post #5049 of 13486
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

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Originally Posted by tonydeluce View Post

It is not like the VT50 is a night and day upgrade over the KURO but in my opinion the 65 inches plus 3D plus slightly better PQ with Blu Ray and high quality broadcast sources was enough o pull the trigger ( after selling my KURO it was less than a grand to upgrade and now I have a 4 year warranty as well ). I am not the kind of person that is going to watch a low quality broadcast signal regardless so the fact that the KURO is MUCH better in this area was a non issues for me. The motion handling is better on the KURO as well ( as 72 HZ works flawlessly ) but I don't notice any issues with panning, etc. on my 65GT50 unless the source is crap and again I wouldn't typically watch such on the KURO either.


Thanks Tony. I honestly don't care about 3D but the extra 5 inches would be nice. It will cost me right at a grand if I went with the VT50. I don't think I could justify the Elite LCD regardless because it would be over double that if I decided to go that route and basically be the same size and same picture (or close enough). My warranty expires in less than a year so it would be nice to have a new set with a new 3+ year warranty. I love my Kuro even with the possible red tint issue so I am trying to consider all of my options carefully.

Your posts from the beginning of this thread look identical to your latest posts. I understand that it is a big decision, but wow bro. I am starting to feel bad for the other guy that you keep hanging on the Kuro. I can think of no further advice that you have not received multiple times already. If you want me to decide for you, let me know. wink.gif

And I will tell you again to go with the VT. The newer tech alone is worth it.
post #5050 of 13486
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Your posts from the beginning of this thread look identical to your latest posts. I understand that it is a big decision, but wow bro. I am starting to feel bad for the other guy that you keep hanging on the Kuro. I can think of no further advice that you have not received multiple times already. If you want me to decide for you, let me know. wink.gif
And I will tell you again to go with the VT. The newer tech alone is worth it.


LOL, you are correct Topper. Sorry as I guess you could see this as a double post smile.gif. The other guy is begging me every week to still sell it to him. I think he is trying to wear me down smile.gif. You are right. I have all the info I need. I just need to make a decision and quit being so indecisive.

I feel like I am cheating if I sell the Kuro, lol.
post #5051 of 13486
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

LOL, you are correct Topper. Sorry as I guess you could see this as a double post smile.gif. The other guy is begging me every week to still sell it to him. I think he is trying to wear me down smile.gif. You are right. I have all the info I need. I just need to make a decision and quit being so indecisive.
I feel like I am cheating if I sell the Kuro, lol.

Which Kuro do you have?
post #5052 of 13486
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Your posts from the beginning of this thread look identical to your latest posts. I understand that it is a big decision, but wow bro. I am starting to feel bad for the other guy that you keep hanging on the Kuro. I can think of no further advice that you have not received multiple times already. If you want me to decide for you, let me know. wink.gif
And I will tell you again to go with the VT. The newer tech alone is worth it.


LOL, you are correct Topper. Sorry as I guess you could see this as a double post smile.gif. The other guy is begging me every week to still sell it to him. I think he is trying to wear me down smile.gif. You are right. I have all the info I need. I just need to make a decision and quit being so indecisive.

I feel like I am cheating if I sell the Kuro, lol.

I have been in your shoes bro. I know how hard it can be. I prolly took as long as you have to finally decide. And I am very happy with my choice. smile.gif
post #5053 of 13486
Picked up my 65VT50 yesterday and got it setup... so far so good, right out of the box the picture quality on blu-ray is stunning to say the least. Going to put a few hours on it in THX Cinema mode (contrast dialed down a bit) before I start to mess around with picture settings, also looking into finding someone to calibrate it for me. The design alone is miles ahead of my prior 58V10 and so far the picture quality is very impressive.

Speaking of which, if anyone has a contact for an ISF Certified calibrator in the Toronto/GTA area please let me know.
post #5054 of 13486
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I still haven't decided if I am going to sell my Kuro. I looked at the Elite LCD's again last night and I am still impressed. I love the image of the VT50 though. I did discover that I think I do have the red tint issue on my Kuro like many other users. I don't see it in content though, only faintly on a completely blank screen with no lights on. Otherwise I can't pick it up. Every tv is going to have issues though so it is something I can deal with as I am still very happy with the image on my Kuro. Black levels don't look as deep at times though (with no lights on) but that could be because of the red tint issue. I honestly would have never noticed it if I hadn't found that thread (which says something). Overall it's still tempting. I also checked out the VT50 more and again great display. This is harder than I thought it would be.
Knowing me, I will still have the good old Kuro when it's all said and done smile.gif.

I like the Elite's, but the picture really degrades off axis. Also the price is astronomical. The VT50 has a great picture, too, very natural.

Michael
post #5055 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

I like the Elite's, but the picture really degrades off axis. Also the price is astronomical. The VT50 has a great picture, too, very natural.
Michael

The natural look, in my opinion, makes the VT50 picture better
post #5056 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Vise View Post

if anyone has a contact for an ISF Certified calibrator in the Toronto/GTA area please let me know.

http://www.thxvideotech.com/forum/showthread.php?542-THX-Certified-Video-Calibrator
post #5057 of 13486
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Originally Posted by JohnDG View Post

I had my VT50 65" calibrated by Robert Busch (Busch Home Theater).
Robert Busch is known as "bht" at AVS.

Thanks for posting your impressions of your professional calibration. I've included a link to your post in the flat panel (post #2) lists linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy. smile.gif
post #5058 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jeffscott72 View Post

I have a Denon AVR-1912. I also mistakenly said that I had the Audyssey Pro Calibration done, it was actually the Advanced Audio calibration. The picture and the sound is awesome! Now I'm going to save up for a good sub as that was the weak link in my audio system. I'll definitely ask Chad to come back and recalibrate the AVR when I upgrade the sub.
It would be great if you went back to your original post and made your correction there. There is an "edit" ikon in the lower left corner. smile.gif
post #5059 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post


I would love to have Chad do the Audyssey Pro Calibration on my Denon 3311 if he came to calibrate my TVs but the audio calibration is even more then the display calibration! I will have a hard time justifying getting my TV(s) calibrated to the wife let alone spending even more on the audio. Do you notice THAT much of a difference?
It's got to be a joint venture. wink.gif

If you want to read other owner's reactions, use the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post. There is no reason not to check the Pioneer Kuro reports along with the Panasonic plasma reports. Any time an audio calibration was done, it's indicated in the link to the report.

UMR is another calibrator that does audio. You can look at some of the reports about his work too. When he did our audio/video calibration there were audio choices that cost less than the standard video calibration.
post #5060 of 13486
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Which Kuro do you have?

Pioneer 6020
post #5061 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

I like the Elite's, but the picture really degrades off axis. Also the price is astronomical. The VT50 has a great picture, too, very natural.
Michael

I have to agree with you on the off axis viewing. That is a negative for me also and yes the price is crazy.
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Awesome, thanks much!
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I was playing around with the aspect ratios while watching Blu-Rays and I have to say, for films with the black bars like 2.4:1, using the Zoom option is incredible! You would think that zooming in that far would degrade the quality and blur it but it doesn't at all. On Zoom, details like peoples skin & hair, cloth, carpet, wood, rock, etc are so much impressive and in your face. To be honest, I couldn't care less about cutting off the sides the picture because I have always thought those really wide pans were pointless. I want to feel intimate with the characters, not the environment. With Zoom it feels more like 1.85:1 that TV series' use, which is great.

I'm still pretty awed at how sharp it looks on Zoom. It loses maybe 5% of the sharpness, either way not enough to make me put up with the black bars; that for sure.
post #5064 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Ice That Jaw View Post

I was playing around with the aspect ratios while watching Blu-Rays and I have to say, for films with the black bars like 2.4:1, using the Zoom option is incredible! You would think that zooming in that far would degrade the quality and blur it but it doesn't at all. On Zoom, details like peoples skin & hair, cloth, carpet, wood, rock, etc are so much impressive and in your face. To be honest, I couldn't care less about cutting off the sides the picture because I have always thought those really wide pans were pointless. I want to feel intimate with the characters, not the environment. With Zoom it feels more like 1.85:1 that TV series' use, which is great.
I'm still pretty awed at how sharp it looks on Zoom. It loses maybe 5% of the sharpness, either way not enough to make me put up with the black bars; that for sure.

Speaking about "Zoom". On my 65VT50, when I was troubleshooting the 1080i sharpness issue with my calibrator, we noticed a measurable difference in sharpness between HDMI "Size 1" and "Size 2". This was observed when using a multiburst waveform test pattern from his generator (similar to this one, but not exactly this).

I believe what we were seeing using the HDMI Size 1 setting was "high frequency distortion". The tightest vertical line patch became "distorted", and clearly showed a loss in resolution.
From Wikipedia : High frequency distortion causes problems with sharpness of the picture: high frequency roll-off causes loss of definition, while high frequency peaking emphasises edges and adds noise to the picture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiburst
We did not see any "distortion" using Size 2 under the HDMI setting. BTW - "Size 2" is the HDMI default setting in the THX Cinema modes. I now leave mine set to Size 2, although Cable/SAT programming benefits from Size 1 as it does a 5% overscan which will eliminate funky things being seen at the top of the screen on some channels.

BTW - I am quite a novice when it comes to this, but I am learning.
post #5065 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Ice That Jaw View Post

I was playing around with the aspect ratios while watching Blu-Rays and I have to say, for films with the black bars like 2.4:1, using the Zoom option is incredible! You would think that zooming in that far would degrade the quality and blur it but it doesn't at all. On Zoom, details like peoples skin & hair, cloth, carpet, wood, rock, etc are so much impressive and in your face. To be honest, I couldn't care less about cutting off the sides the picture because I have always thought those really wide pans were pointless. I want to feel intimate with the characters, not the environment. With Zoom it feels more like 1.85:1 that TV series' use, which is great.
I'm still pretty awed at how sharp it looks on Zoom. It loses maybe 5% of the sharpness, either way not enough to make me put up with the black bars; that for sure.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why some people are so against letterboxing. I bought this TV so I could watch movies the way they were originally presented. The screenshots in this article does a good job showing what you might miss out on by cutting of the sides of those wide shots:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/053/053556p1.html

And there's this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJhM3So4y8&feature=player_embedded

The sections on Lawrence of Arabia and Ben Hur are excellent.
post #5066 of 13486
Woot, my girlfriend just gave me the thumbs up to keep the Onkyo tx-nr818 AND I just talked the Directv guy down to $100 for an HR34 installed plus the HD NFL package. Happy days tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Woot, my girlfriend just gave me the thumbs up to keep the Onkyo tx-nr818 AND I just talked the Directv guy down to $100 for an HR34 installed plus the HD NFL package. Happy days tongue.gif

I just recently got the NR818 as well, not cuz my picture needed tweaking. I just needed another toy. The XT32 on this thing is freaking amazing, blows the pio Elite's MCACC out of the water...literally! Coming back to the picture, I tried the edge enhancement and mosquito NR to low, and can hardly tell the difference....more of a placebo effect. GIGO stands true, with or without a top-of-the-line VP, Ive concluded. I'll just be keeping it for the audio nirvana it produces with my Paradigms! smile.gif

Topper, any specific video settings you would suggest? I'm all ears.
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Originally Posted by flmsrgn View Post

Speaking about "Zoom". On my 65VT50, when I was troubleshooting the 1080i sharpness issue with my calibrator, we noticed a measurable difference in sharpness between HDMI "Size 1" and "Size 2". This was observed when using a multiburst waveform test pattern from his generator (similar to this one, but not exactly this).

I believe what we were seeing using the HDMI Size 1 setting was "high frequency distortion". The tightest vertical line patch became "distorted", and clearly showed a loss in resolution.
From Wikipedia : High frequency distortion causes problems with sharpness of the picture: high frequency roll-off causes loss of definition, while high frequency peaking emphasises edges and adds noise to the picture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiburst
We did not see any "distortion" using Size 2 under the HDMI setting. BTW - "Size 2" is the HDMI default setting in the THX Cinema modes. I now leave mine set to Size 2, although Cable/SAT programming benefits from Size 1 as it does a 5% overscan which will eliminate funky things being seen at the top of the screen on some channels.
BTW - I am quite a novice when it comes to this, but I am learning.

Huh, I watched 3 Blu-rays using Zoom + Size 1 and they looked spectacular. I tried Size 2 but it stretched out the picture too much for my tastes. I didn't spend much time comparing the Full and Zoom aspects back and forth but I have 20/20 and Zoom + Size looks much better to me than a Perfectly Just Scan. I think I just enjoy the fact that it shows much more detail in the actors faces which gives me a theatre like feel. If more directors used the 1.85:1 cameras it wouldn't matter. Mel Gibson had the right idea with Apocalypto. Whatever camera he used was amazing because that Blu-Ray transfer is one of the best I've seen. almost as good as Avatar imo.


Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why some people are so against letterboxing. I bought this TV so I could watch movies the way they were originally presented. The screenshots in this article does a good job showing what you might miss out on by cutting of the sides of those wide shots:
http://dvd.ign.com/articles/053/053556p1.html
And there's this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJhM3So4y8&feature=player_embedded
The sections on Lawrence of Arabia and Ben Hur are excellent.[/quote]

Those were the worst possible examples imo. I watched the first 2 Lord of Rings movies with Zoom + Size 1 and it seemed like every shot was perfectly cutoff. Characters faces were rarely cutoff and almost always perfectly centered in close up and scenes felt very intimate due to being able to see so much detail in their faces. I suppose if you are the type of person who focuses more on scenery then the characters than Zoom would ruin the experience but for me it adds to it.

Or maybe I should have just gotten the 65in. I promised myself no more than 2k for a TV though. I mean I didn't even spend that much for my PC setup and I have a fully gaming capable PC with a 2560 x 1440p monitor. (imported straight from South Korea of course) : )
Edited by Ice That Jaw - 7/30/12 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Woot, my girlfriend just gave me the thumbs up to keep the Onkyo tx-nr818 AND I just talked the Directv guy down to $100 for an HR34 installed plus the HD NFL package. Happy days tongue.gif

I just recently got the NR818 as well, not cuz my picture needed tweaking. I just needed another toy. The XT32 on this thing is freaking amazing, blows the pio Elite's MCACC out of the water...literally! Coming back to the picture, I tried the edge enhancement and mosquito NR to low, and can hardly tell the difference....more of a placebo effect. GIGO stands true, with or without a top-of-the-line VP, Ive concluded. I'll just be keeping it for the audio nirvana it produces with my Paradigms! smile.gif

Topper, any specific video settings you would suggest? I'm all ears.

Yeah, I had tried this onkyo once already more for the VP, but like you I found the vt50 did not need a VP. But I must say that edge enhancement on low was actually kind of nice on some content.

Are you asking about video settings on the Onkyo or the VT? smile.gif

If the VT, yeah, mine! LoL

If the Onkyo, I would prolly use it simply to pass 1080p for my Directv.

As for my ps3/bluray player, I may toy with some things, but I want to verify that I can pass 24p directly without the AVR fiddling with it. If I can't I will make that input pass through.

Will post my impressions and settings later in the week. Thanks for the reply.

PS Try pausing a clean shot of a face (eyes specifically) and try Edge Enhance on low. You will see the detail sharpen over a period of about 3 seconds. I like doing that and going back and forth. It really does seem to make a bit of a difference.
Edited by TopperMcFly - 7/30/12 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by Ice That Jaw View Post

I was playing around with the aspect ratios while watching Blu-Rays and I have to say, for films with the black bars like 2.4:1, using the Zoom option is incredible! You would think that zooming in that far would degrade the quality and blur it but it doesn't at all. On Zoom, details like peoples skin & hair, cloth, carpet, wood, rock, etc are so much impressive and in your face. To be honest, I couldn't care less about cutting off the sides the picture because I have always thought those really wide pans were pointless. I want to feel intimate with the characters, not the environment. With Zoom it feels more like 1.85:1 that TV series' use, which is great.
I'm still pretty awed at how sharp it looks on Zoom. It loses maybe 5% of the sharpness, either way not enough to make me put up with the black bars; that for sure.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why some people are so against letterboxing. I bought this TV so I could watch movies the way they were originally presented. The screenshots in this article does a good job showing what you might miss out on by cutting of the sides of those wide shots:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/053/053556p1.html

And there's this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJhM3So4y8&feature=player_embedded


The sections on Lawrence of Arabia and Ben Hur are excellent.

Different strokes as they say. I for one can't deal with zoom knowing that I am missing a large amount of intended picture. I have a hard enough time using the 95% over scan but use it when the outside noise is too much to bear. Again, different strokes.
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