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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

LOL, you are correct Topper. Sorry as I guess you could see this as a double post smile.gif. The other guy is begging me every week to still sell it to him. I think he is trying to wear me down smile.gif. You are right. I have all the info I need. I just need to make a decision and quit being so indecisive.
I feel like I am cheating if I sell the Kuro, lol.

Considering that you aren't interested in 3D, if you're fine with the 60 inches for your viewing distance I wouldn't bother with a new set. Yes, modern sets have more bells and whistles but when it comes down to the meat and potatoes of what makes a set great(picture quality) they just don't stack up to a 9g Kuro.

Of course it is all subjective and those extra 5 inches may be needed. Otherwise I'd do the elite board swap, get your set ISF calibrated, save some cash and wait for OLED.
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"Smart TV" was something I hadn't given one seconds thought about when I purchased this set... after all my TiVo, BR player and Apple TV all provide streaming, so why would I care? I just wanted a top flight display.

However I fired it up the other day and tweaked the lay out - attached an optical cable to my Denon, got rid of that annoying "ding", layed out all the apps logically... and then I started using it. I have to say I am quite impressed with how snappy and responsive their Smart TV layout is. This is by far the best Hulu Plus playback device I have ever used (the TiVo version of Hulu is terrible); Netflix is on par with the AppleTV, but I prefer the cross platform Netflix UI Panny uses versus the Apple TV version.

You can feel the speed of the processor they have driving the GUI... no lag with the controls, no lag when switching apps... all in all a very smooth and seamless experience. Maybe this is no big deal to most of you, but coming from the clunky Tivo Premiere, the slow Panny BD and an Apple TV that really only offers Netflix (outside of it's own excellent service), it is nice not only to have the primo apps in one place (Vudu, Hulu Plus, Amazon, Netflix, Tune In Radio, Pandora) but also have the overall experience feel so fast and responsive.

The only negative is the limited "viewing modes" they offer for the "Internet" input. Specifically there are no THX modes and the "custom" mode appears to have the "SD Color Space" option greyed out. Not sure if that means it only operates w/ SD color space for the Smart TV GUI only or for content as well. The Hulu content looks as good as cable (via HDMI Tivo) if you tweak the custom settings, but I will judge it closer when I fire up a Vudu HDX movie this weekend. I really need to A-B Netflix versus my AppleTV (which is HDMI) under the same settings to see if the "SD Color Space" versus "HD Color Space" is actually doing something to streamed content.

Regardless, the Smart TV aspect of this display has full wife accpetance... she just loves it. No more fooling around to get to those apps... just click a button and go!
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

ISF Day calibration. Luminance controls are now working normally but the 95% Gamma interpolation problem still exists.
ISF Day 31July_S.pdf 470k .pdf file

That looks much better. Can you actually see a difference in everyday content?
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

That looks much better. Can you actually see a difference in everyday content?

That calibration was done at 100% Saturation. Color tracking is not all that great and what this TV really needs is a 3D LUT device between it and the source. The jpg is a 100% cal on the left and 75% on the right.

Can I see a difference? Yes, skin tones are a little better.

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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

That calibration was done at 100% Saturation. Color tracking is not all that great and what this TV really needs is a 3D LUT device between it and the source. The jpg is a 100% cal on the left and 75% on the right.
Can I see a difference? Yes, skin tones are a little better.

Good to know there is a visual difference.

Maybe with my Mini I can dial it in a little closer.
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

LOL, you are correct Topper. Sorry as I guess you could see this as a double post smile.gif. The other guy is begging me every week to still sell it to him. I think he is trying to wear me down smile.gif. You are right. I have all the info I need. I just need to make a decision and quit being so indecisive.
I feel like I am cheating if I sell the Kuro, lol.

Considering that you aren't interested in 3D, if you're fine with the 60 inches for your viewing distance I wouldn't bother with a new set. Yes, modern sets have more bells and whistles but when it comes down to the meat and potatoes of what makes a set great(picture quality) they just don't stack up to a 9g Kuro.

Of course it is all subjective and those extra 5 inches may be needed. Otherwise I'd do the elite board swap, get your set ISF calibrated, save some cash and wait for OLED.

Even though I sell the board you would need for the elite upgrade, I would still lean towards the VT. wink.gif

This is why it is a hard decision. It is easy to argue either way.
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

Good to know there is a visual difference.
Maybe with my Mini I can dial it in a little closer.

The Mini should help for the 95% gamma but the color is a tracking problem. Calibrate at 75% color saturation - that's the key.
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

Good to know there is a visual difference.
Maybe with my Mini I can dial it in a little closer.

wmwilker, are you talking Radiance Mini? If so, do you think we need an VP with the VT50? I bought a mini but haven't observed any PQ improvement on the VT50, so I am having second thoughts as I am still in the return window for the Mini.
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Anyway to apply the firmware update without an sd card?
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

There is no real need for the Mini. I've had mine a couple of years and use it but it is not necessary. Picture quality from the VT is plenty good.

Thank you, I am thinking the same. I have another question for you: 95% of my sources is going to be SD or below SD quality, do you think if the Mini will help with that? I believe VT50 has a better VP compared to all other TV's.
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Originally Posted by blackscorpio View Post

Thank you, I am thinking the same. I have another question for you: 95% of my sources is going to be SD or below SD quality, do you think if the Mini will help with that? I believe VT50 has a better VP compared to all other TV's.

I don't watch much SD so I couldn't give you an informed opinion.
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Originally Posted by lilnape2604 View Post

Considering that you aren't interested in 3D, if you're fine with the 60 inches for your viewing distance I wouldn't bother with a new set. Yes, modern sets have more bells and whistles but when it comes down to the meat and potatoes of what makes a set great(picture quality) they just don't stack up to a 9g Kuro.
Of course it is all subjective and those extra 5 inches may be needed. Otherwise I'd do the elite board swap, get your set ISF calibrated, save some cash and wait for OLED.


60 inches is good for now. I eventually want to go 65-70 inches with the next upgrade. I guess I am a little disappointed that I have the red tint issue (I think I do at least) that other kuro owners are now seeing. Like I said earlier, I probably would have never noticed it if I didn't find the red tint thread. It's very subtle and honestly hasn't taken away my enjoyment of the tv. Nothing is perfect though regardless.
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Even though I sell the board you would need for the elite upgrade, I would still lean towards the VT. wink.gif
This is why it is a hard decision. It is easy to argue either way.

I honestly doubt I would do the elite upgrade. I would like to get it calibrated again though if I keep it. I know the red tint issue can't be fixed without messing with the voltages in the tv (something I won't do) but maybe a calibration could help. Again though, I only noticed the slight red tint when I had my tv on in a completely dark room on a blank input screen (not the way I normally watch tv). So it really isn't a dealbreaker. Of course now that I know it's there, it has made me think of just starting over and getting the VT50, lol. I still might just wait it out and see what the market is like next summer. It's hard to turn away that kind of money though for a 2+ year old Kuro. I know this time next year I will probably get half of that. Decisions.....smile.gif.
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

Even though I sell the board you would need for the elite upgrade, I would still lean towards the VT. wink.gif
This is why it is a hard decision. It is easy to argue either way.

I honestly doubt I would do the elite upgrade. I would like to get it calibrated again though if I keep it. I know the red tint issue can't be fixed without messing with the voltages in the tv (something I won't do) but maybe a calibration could help. Again though, I only noticed the slight red tint when I had my tv on in a completely dark room on a blank input screen (not the way I normally watch tv). So it really isn't a dealbreaker. Of course now that I know it's there, it has made me think of just starting over and getting the VT50, lol. I still might just wait it out and see what the market is like next summer. It's hard to turn away that kind of money though for a 2+ year old Kuro. I know this time next year I will probably get half of that. Decisions.....smile.gif.

60 inches is good for now. I eventually want to go 65-70 inches with the next upgrade


If you are fine with 60"s then I do not at all understand what your thought process is. So keep your Kuro until it dies or sell it now. Only a fool will be buying a Kuro a year from now. I am surprised you still have a buyer to be honest.

I do not understand why you would not spend $125 for the board to upgrade to an Elite which would let you execute a professional calibration. Calibrating a non-elite is a waste of $3-500 because there are no advanced calibration settings without the upgrade. You are all over the place broseph.

I am starting a potential VT owners thread just for you. And I am changing your sig to "I AM SOMEWHAT AWAKE" tongue.gif
Edited by TopperMcFly - 7/31/12 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

If you are fine with 60"s then I do not at all understand what your thought process is. So keep your Kuro until it dies or sell it now. Only a fool will be buying a Kuro a year from now. I am surprised you still have a buyer to be honest.
I do not understand why you would not spend $125 for the board to upgrade to an Elite which would let you execute a professional calibration. Calibrating a non-elite is a waste of $3-500 because there are no advanced calibration settings without the upgrade. You are all over the place broseph.
I am starting a potential VT owners thread just for you. And I am changing your sig to "I AM SOMEWHAT AWAKE" tongue.gif

You would be surprised about the used Kuro market. I have had quite a few buyers for my set in the last few months (at least where I live). I have just decided to keep it each time. I have never had a tv hold it's value this long before. I agree that I don't think the market will be near as high in a year. I figure I can still get close to a grand for it next summer though.

I agree the elite board would make sense and maybe I will eventually consider that if I keep the set. I disagree about a calibrated non-elite being a waste. D-Nice calibrated my set and it was a huge difference compared to my original settings. I am sure it would be better with the elite board swap so that is something I will definitely keep in mind.

LOL, that sounds like a good thread!
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The Pioneer Kuro is still the best TV on the market in terms of PURE PQ. I can't speak to the 6020 model, but the Elite's (9g) and KRP (9.5g) both have better PQ than the VT50. To be specific, in areas you will notice, the Kuro has deeper blacks, better motion, less dithering and better image/video procession (for low quality sources). Out of the box, the Kuro's have better color quality as well. Something to consider if you do not plan to calibrate your VT50. So if you do not care about 3D, apps, etc., the Pioneer is still the winner.

My advise to you (YOTR): While the used Kuro market is still very healthy in terms of value, it is becoming harder and harder to find local buyers. Assuming Panasonic and Sharp meet or beat the Kuro next year, I suspect the Pioneer's to lose 25% to 50% of their current resell value next year. Right now I am seeing 500m's go for ~2k and 60" models (600m, 151, 141) go for 2500-3200. Given the size of the 6020, i suspect those will go for around 2000-22200. In a nutshell, I suspect (assuming you do not do the Elite upgrade), that a 65VT50 will have better resell value than your Pioneer 6020 next year, thus I think the time to sell is now. IMO

I currently own a Pioneer KRP-500m and I sold my Pioneer Elite PRO-141fd for the Panasonic 65vt50. Even if the 141fd has the same resell value as my 65VT50 next year, I think it will be easier to sell the 65VT50
Edited by jbrady3324 - 7/31/12 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

The Pioneer Kuro is still the best TV on the market in terms of PURE PQ. I can't speak to the 6020 model, but the Elite's (9g) and KRP (9.5g) both have better PQ than the VT50. To be specific, in areas you will notice, the Kuro has deeper blacks, better motion, and better image/video procession. Out of the box, the Kuro's have better color quality as well. Something to consider if you do not plan to calibrate your VT50. So if you do not care about 3D, apps, etc., the Pioneer is still the winner.
My advise to you (YOTR): While the used Kuro market is still very healthy in terms of value, it is becoming harder and harder to find local buyers. Assuming Panasonic and Sharp meet or beat the Kuro next year, I suspect the Pioneer's to lose 25% to 50% of their current resell value next year. Right now I am seeing 500m's go for ~2k and 60" models (600m, 151, 141) go for 2500-3200. Given the size of the 6020, i suspect those will go for around 2000-22200. In a nutshell, I suspect (assuming you do not do the Elite upgrade), that a 65VT50 will have better resell value than your Pioneer 6020 next year, thus I think the time to sell is now. IMO
I currently own a Pioneer KRP-500m and I sold my Pioneer Elite PRO-141fd for the Panasonic 65vt50. Even if the 141fd has the same resell value as my 65VT50 next year, I think it will be easier to sell the 65VT50


I had a 600m for awhile (my ex wife's cat did a number on the screen). Picture wise my 6020 looks about the same compared to my 600m. Any differences would be minor at least to me. I am seeing 6020's sell for around the range you stated. I also agree that if I sell it next summer, I will most likely get a grand at most.

I do think that Topper and yourself are correct. If I am going to sell, the best time is now. Otherwise I can just keep it and realize I won't get much for it next summer (if I feel the need to upgrade).
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

I don't watch much SD so I couldn't give you an informed opinion.

Thank you.

Anyone else have an opinion, does it help to have a VP like Radiance Mini with the VT50, wrt SD content?
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Originally Posted by blackscorpio View Post

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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

I don't watch much SD so I couldn't give you an informed opinion.

Thank you.

Anyone else have an opinion, does it help to have a VP like Radiance Mini with the VT50, wrt SD content?

You do not need a VP for the VT.
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

You do not need a VP for the VT.

You don't need a VP, but a Duo or Lumagen offers better scaling and the Lumagen offers more precise calibration controls (i.e. 21 point grayscale/gamma adjustment).
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

You do not need a VP for the VT.

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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

You don't need a VP, but a Duo or Lumagen offers better scaling and the Lumagen offers more precise calibration controls (i.e. 21 point grayscale/gamma adjustment).

Thank you.

WiFi-Spy, I am no pro, so I might not be able to see the 21 point gamma or whatever, am I saying it right?

If you will allow me, another question please, I played a video file with and without the Mini and didn't notice any PQ change. My question is, is the following media considered a SD quality or below SD?
File type : .avi
Video: MPEG4 640*480 23fps

TIA.
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I lost power at 94h hour for some time.
Should I continue with slides or I can switch to mixed content?
I hope that 6h won't matter.
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After reading through half of the 179 pages on this thread, I've avowed that I will never become a videophile. Just got my TC65VT50 on Friday at a very good price after price matching at BB. I was dsappointed tha Costco does not carry it because they are a pleasure to deal with on any unknown issues that might pop up. BB, not so much in my experience. I also do not believe that they will be in business much longer.

To me coming form a Sony KDS 60A3000 XSRD, this thing is absolutley gorgeous. I am not going to listen for buzzing because I don't hear any and never even thought about it until I read this thread, So if it's there, it's a non issue for me. I have always resisted plasma TV's because I thought that my viewing room was too bright. Although I have one wall that is almost all windows to one side, this is an absolute non issue with this set even in standard Cinema THX. I'm thrilled, and I am not going to spoil it by digging to deep for many of the issues I read about here, although the bulk of them seem to be in pursuit of VT50 nirvana via pro calibration. I will probably get the Disney WOW disk and be done with it.

Anyway, just wanted to chime in with my extreme delight in finding this set and not shelling out for the Elite which looked spectacular in the store for arond $7500.

I am not happy about having to run a 25 foot optical cable back to my equipment closet for DD 5.1 while watching the internet offerings (Netflix/Amazon) which is a good part of what I do. I can't express how disappointed and annoyed I am that the additional 25ft HDMI cable I ran when setting this system up is useless in adressing this issue. Who new?

Rich
Edited by Richr 13 - 7/31/12 at 4:02pm
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This is a HUGE thread .... I am down to looking at either purchasing this 65" VT Panasonic or the 65" 8000.

I know most will be bias in this thread since most of the Panny owners are in this thread but what is the best choice and why.

I will be taking some time alter tonight when I get home to read more of this thread ... just wanted to see if I could get some feedback on my new tv choice here and find out some more info on this Panny is this is the better choice (info as far as quality, brightness, overall PQ, etc.).

I currently have the 70" Sharp Quattron and I have HORRIBLE Ghosting/Halo effects in sports ... so many have said if you have this isue and watch a lot of sports Plasma is the way to go ... Will I have any Halo effect issues with this TV like I currently have on the Sharp LED?

Thanks so much for any members here who can help me with my choice in tv and answers to my questions.

I look forward to hearing back from someone and thank SO much toe the members here at AVS who provide so much great info in these threads. smile.gif
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are u talking about the auto calibration differences?

I actually got a quote today for AVR-4311CI and Oppo BD93 shipped for $1800 from Audioholics, that is a killer deal, only down side is the AVR will not be in stock until next week.
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Originally Posted by TopperMcFly View Post

For one thing, I can see that the Luminance controls are working! What the hell are we going to have to complain about with these damn sets? This latest patch will do absolutely nothing in terms of helping people that purchashed an Elite feel better about their choice. Isn't there enough pain and suffering in the world? wink.gif

Just got home and turned on the set. I went to network>software update and it says my software version is at 1.150 and that the software used is the "latest". Is that correct? I do not recall the set updating when I turned it on. What firmware are you on post update? I wonder if my set auto updated?


Thanks!
Edited by Blackbelt Jones - 7/31/12 at 6:04pm
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I just picked up the series Boss on blu ray, and WOW!, this series is a looker on the vt50. It is the best digitally shot series/movie I have ever seen. I got it out of recommendation from the Tier List Discussion Thread and was not disappointed. Every scene has perfect sharpness and clarity. Close up shots are its primary specialty. The color and contrast aren't really attention grabbers like animated movies, they are mostly cool, but this is the best I have ever seen in terms of digital video regardless. This series is a must for pq purists, and over in the PQ Tier Discussion, the first review has this recommended for the very top in PQ.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

This is a HUGE thread .... I am down to looking at either purchasing this 65" VT Panasonic or the 65" 8000.
I know most will be bias in this thread since most of the Panny owners are in this thread but what is the best choice and why.
I will be taking some time alter tonight when I get home to read more of this thread ... just wanted to see if I could get some feedback on my new tv choice here and find out some more info on this Panny is this is the better choice (info as far as quality, brightness, overall PQ, etc.).
I currently have the 70" Sharp Quattron and I have HORRIBLE Ghosting/Halo effects in sports ... so many have said if you have this isue and watch a lot of sports Plasma is the way to go ... Will I have any Halo effect issues with this TV like I currently have on the Sharp LED?
Thanks so much for any members here who can help me with my choice in tv and answers to my questions.
I look forward to hearing back from someone and thank SO much toe the members here at AVS who provide so much great info in these threads. smile.gif
The vt50 has deeper blacks, better color accuracy, and more light output compared to the Samsung, which should give even more picture pop. From what I have read, the Samsung only beats the vt50 in video processing for poor signals, like cable, netflix, satellite, ect.
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What is the PQ tier?
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