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post #5401 of 12310
8/6/12 at 12:55pm
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First the bad news, It is now back to $1200 and has been there's for a few days now.
The good news is that I got mine at $850. Now I have to agree with your assessment of the video 100%. I too find crap to still look like crap. But this little wonder does in fact make for sharper quality content. I still think the vt50 does a great job of producing a very clean and true picture. With that said, I do prefer the sharper look that the 818 provides. But it is not without some minor drawbacks. I am sure you have noticed that text is a bit jaggy even when edge enhance is on low. I assume that is what you are using. If I am mistaken and you are not using edge enhance at all, I would have to scratch my head a bit, as I do not see a difference in pq with it off even with noise reduction on. So I would love to hear what your settings are.
But yeah, the video capabilities of this unit are top shelf and am very glad I returned the green duo. I think any TV out there would benefit from this gem. Not to mention the audio quality is sublime.

Yes, I agree. I am using the edge enhancer and mosq NR at low, however I do not get any jaggy text fortunately, or maybe I am not as critical of a viewer. But even to my eyes and my limited budget, getting the VP in the NR818 alone would have paid for the cost. With regards to the current pricing, I think that is a temporary hike, we should be seeing street prices of around 850 pretty soon.

Yeah, it is an excellent value for both VP and audio capabilities. I am still getting to know it, but having a blast. Enjoy, and thanks for the update.
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8/6/12 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Gas0linE View Post

Sounds very promising! My 65" arrives Thursday! Can't wait. I have to pick up some 3D glasses today or tomorrow.

Gas, I used both the Panasonic VIERA TY-ER3D4MU and the Samsung SSG-4100 when I had my VT50 and I actually preferred the Samsungs. I thought they were a little lighter and more comfortable above my ears, and not to mention, they're only $20.00 a pair. I even wear prescription glasses and didn't find the Samsungs troublesome at all. Just a heads up in case you weren't sure which glasses to get.
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post #5403 of 12310
8/6/12 at 1:00pm
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Gas, I used both the Panasonic VIERA TY-ER3D4MU and the Samsung SSG-4100 when I had my VT50 and I actually preferred the Samsungs. I thought they were a little lighter and more comfortable above my ears, and not to mention, they're only $20.00 a pair. I even wear prescription glasses and didn't find the Samsungs troublesome at all. Just a heads up in case you weren't sure which glasses to get.

Nice! I may just do that. The only thing I did not like about the Samsung's were they did not block my view from the side. Do the Panasonic ones do a better job of immersing you into the action because it blocks your side view?
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post #5404 of 12310
8/6/12 at 1:34pm
I'm so torn between this set and the ES8000- I shouldn't have to choose between the risk of Clouding and the risk of IR when I'm spending $3k!!!
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post #5405 of 12310
8/6/12 at 1:39pm
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Nice! I may just do that. The only thing I did not like about the Samsung's were they did not block my view from the side. Do the Panasonic ones do a better job of immersing you into the action because it blocks your side view?
I have a pair of both 3D glasses types, and for me the blocking doesn't help much since its best to view 3D in a dark environment anyway with a plasma.
There is less frame to see in your peripheral vision with the Samsung glasses, so it would be closer to watching 3D without glasses if that were possible.
A key difference is the Panasonic 3D glasses have a USB rechargeable battery inside, while the lower cost Samsung glasses have a replaceable cheap coin battery. If you get the Samsung, you can get a low price pack of 5 of the coin batteries for a little over a $1 on ebay or amazon, where in stores they are almost that much for just one!
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post #5406 of 12310
8/6/12 at 1:41pm
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I'm so torn between this set and the ES8000- I shouldn't have to choose between the risk of Clouding and the risk of IR when I'm spending $3k!!!
Ask Gas0linE about that, he had an ES8000 before... smile.gif
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post #5407 of 12310
8/6/12 at 1:42pm
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I have a pair of both 3D glasses types, and for me the blocking doesn't help much since its best to view 3D in a dark environment anyway with a plasma.
There is less frame to see in your peripheral vision with the Samsung glasses, so it would be closer to watching 3D without glasses if that were possible.
A key difference is the Panasonic 3D glasses have a USB rechargeable battery inside, while the lower cost Samsung glasses have a replaceable cheap coin battery. If you get the Samsung, you can get a low price pack of 5 of the coin batteries for a little over a $1 on ebay or amazon, where in stores they are almost that much for just one!

Thanks, I think I'll save some money and just get the Samsung's. Appreciate your feedback Brisco and JewDaddy.
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8/6/12 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Between my girlfriend and I, the NBC Olympic broadcast have been on literally ALL DAY. Zero sign of IR on my VT50. I think you're over-doing it.
EDIT: here's a picture of my cat enjoying beach volleyball.

I wrote that I am running the scroll bar "just to be safe" because while I don't see the NBC Olympics logo on regular programming - although admittedly I haven't looked all that carefully - the logo is clear in all its glory on the white (vs. black) segment of the anti-IR scroll bar. (That implies to me that even on regular programming, on a white screen it would show up, but again I have not paid that much attention.)

For every hour or so of watching the Olympics - and that typically includes fast-forwarding through commercials so the logo is on a very high percentage of that 60 minute period - it seems to take about 15 minutes of the scroll bar running before it disappears from the white segment. Two or more hours of Olympics programming takes at least a couple 15-minute cycles of the scrolling bar before it goes away. That, imho, is IR.

Btw - fwiw, I'd say I have around 100 to 150 hours or so on the TV.

Nice pic! My cat was enjoying watching Puss 'N Boots yesterday.
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post #5409 of 12310
8/6/12 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

Seriously? Are you running it because you noticed IR or are you just being cautious?

Because I noticed IR. See - what is very likely - the immediately preceding post.
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post #5410 of 12310
8/6/12 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

I'm so torn between this set and the ES8000- I shouldn't have to choose between the risk of Clouding and the risk of IR when I'm spending $3k!!!

I currently own the 65ES8000 and had the 65VT50 for almost a month. Unfortunately, I will be returning the Samsung as well for a refund. It honestly just depends on what kind of picture you prefer. I don't want to get flamed for saying this but here it goes. Just my opinion.

VT50 Pro's - Amazing Viewing Angle
- Very deep dark black levels
- More lifelike picture and accurate colors
- Better motion handling
- Blu-rays look fantastic and have more of a home theater quality than the ES8000

VT50 Con's - Dithering
- Picture seems more muted than the ES800
- Softer picture, not as crisp and sharp
- White levels just never really looked white to me.
- 3D is not even close to being on the same level as the ES8000


ES8000 Pro's - Picture pops! Much brighter picture than plasma (some might not always want that)
- Picture is sooo much crisper and sharper than VT50
- Less noise in the picture. Again, some people might prefer to see the source as it was intended but I look noise reduction if possible
- My personal opinion, color looks better on the ES800 only because it doesn't seem as muted
- Phenomenal 3D with almost no crosstalk

ES8000 Con's - Black levels not up to the VT50 at all
- Off angle viewing is terrible.
- Motion is not as good
- Alot of people say the color is not as accurate as the VT50
- Paying extra for features such as motion control and voice control that seem broken.


That's just my opinon of the two. After having them both, I can't be happy with either one, so my search is on again. I'm either thinking the new 75ES9000 coming out soon or the new Laservue L75-A96. Good luck with your decision. As you can see, no tv is perfet.
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post #5411 of 12310
8/6/12 at 3:34pm
+1 thank you for your thoughts.
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post #5412 of 12310
8/6/12 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

I currently own the 65ES8000 and had the 65VT50 for almost a month. Unfortunately, I will be returning the Samsung as well for a refund. It honestly just depends on what kind of picture you prefer. I don't want to get flamed for saying this but here it goes. Just my opinion.
VT50 Pro's - Amazing Viewing Angle
- Very deep dark black levels
- More lifelike picture and accurate colors
- Better motion handling
- Blu-rays look fantastic and have more of a home theater quality than the ES8000
VT50 Con's - Dithering
- Picture seems more muted than the ES800
- Softer picture, not as crisp and sharp
- White levels just never really looked white to me.
- 3D is not even close to being on the same level as the ES8000
ES8000 Pro's - Picture pops! Much brighter picture than plasma (some might not always want that)
- Picture is sooo much crisper and sharper than VT50
- Less noise in the picture. Again, some people might prefer to see the source as it was intended but I look noise reduction if possible
- My personal opinion, color looks better on the ES800 only because it doesn't seem as muted
- Phenomenal 3D with almost no crosstalk
ES8000 Con's - Black levels not up to the VT50 at all
- Off angle viewing is terrible.
- Motion is not as good
- Alot of people say the color is not as accurate as the VT50
- Paying extra for features such as motion control and voice control that seem broken.
That's just my opinon of the two. After having them both, I can't be happy with either one, so my search is on again. I'm either thinking the new 75ES9000 coming out soon or the new Laservue L75-A96. Good luck with your decision. As you can see, no tv is perfet.
Those are all very valid observations and are known differences between the two technologies. Correct if am wrong Jew, but I believe you mentioned that you always viewed your Tv's in Vivid mode and have always owned LCD? Most TVs with deep black levels always have a "darker" looking picture. My guests would always come over when I had my Elite and asked why it was so dark, and my response was always the same... because it has deep blacks while theirs reproduced a dark gray!

What people perceive as pop on LCD panels is just the brightness they get, but when you increase panel brightness unless you have your panel to REC709, colors will appear undersaturated. A TV can only be so bright before it begins to compromise other areas. Contrast is what is responsible for "POP" and image depth which is why black levels are so important.

People who tell me they have inky blacks on their LCD, I immediately know they are looking at the TV during the day with lots of ambient light, as a panel that is full array with local dimming are the only manner in which to achieve good black levels.
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post #5413 of 12310
8/6/12 at 3:41pm
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+1 thank you for your thoughts.
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+1 thank you for your thoughts.
I actually sold a 70" Elite for the VT. Both great panels but having them side by side in my home, calibrated, made things very apparent as to which flaws I could and couldn't live with. There are others here who have owned both.
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post #5414 of 12310
8/6/12 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Those are all very valid observations and are known differences between the two technologies. Correct if am wrong Jew, but I believe you mentioned that you always viewed your Tv's in Vivid mode and have always owned LCD? Most TVs with deep black levels always have a "darker" looking picture. My guests would always come over when I had my Elite and asked why it was so dark, and my response was always the same... because it has deep blacks while theirs reproduced a dark gray!
What people perceive as pop on LCD panels is just the brightness they get, but when you increase panel brightness unless you have your panel to REC709, colors will appear undersaturated. A TV can only be so bright before it begins to compromise other areas. Contrast is what is responsible for "POP" and image depth which is why black levels are so important.
People who tell me they have inky blacks on their LCD, I immediately know they are looking at the TV during the day with lots of ambient light, as a panel that is full array with local dimming are the only manner in which to achieve good black levels.

You are correct. I was used to vivid mode on my lcd's. I've been slowly but surely working on getting my eyes to adjust to a more accurate picture. I just couldn't get over the dimmer and softer picture of the VT50. For blu-rays, I think it was Phenomonal, but I'm a gamer and I like the picture to be a little brighter and over saturate my colors. I'm not dogging this tv at all and some of the cons I listed may not be cons for other people, just my opinion on what my eyes prefer. I have nothing bad to say about the VT50. Just wasnt the tv for me.
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post #5415 of 12310
8/6/12 at 4:01pm
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You are correct. I was used to vivid mode on my lcd's. I've been slowly but surely working on getting my eyes to adjust to a more accurate picture. I just couldn't get over the dimmer and softer picture of the VT50. For blu-rays, I think it was Phenomonal, but I'm a gamer and I like the picture to be a little brighter and over saturate my colors. I'm not dogging this tv at all and some of the cons I listed may not be cons for other people, just my opinion on what my eyes prefer. I have nothing bad to say about the VT50. Just wasnt the tv for me.
I appreciated your post Jew and take no issue with it as I said before, they are known differences. That being said, the sharpness you grew accustom to was an edge enhanced image and it does take some time to get accustom to an accurate image, but we all like different things and all work hard to get them. To each is own.
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post #5416 of 12310
8/6/12 at 4:17pm
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You are correct. I was used to vivid mode on my lcd's. I've been slowly but surely working on getting my eyes to adjust to a more accurate picture. I just couldn't get over the dimmer and softer picture of the VT50. For blu-rays, I think it was Phenomonal, but I'm a gamer and I like the picture to be a little brighter and over saturate my colors. I'm not dogging this tv at all and some of the cons I listed may not be cons for other people, just my opinion on what my eyes prefer. I have nothing bad to say about the VT50. Just wasnt the tv for me.
I appreciated your post Jew and take no issue with it as I said before, they are known differences. That being said, the sharpness you grew accustom to was an edge enhanced image and it does take some time to get accustom to an accurate image, but we all like different things and all work hard to get them. To each is own.

You would be a perfect candidate for the tx-nr819 a couple of us are using. You get increased sharpness and you can over saturate colors anyway. But I def appreciate your views. I have been in your same boat. Good luck to you either way bro.
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8/6/12 at 4:19pm
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I noticed when my tv is first turned on the blacks do a weird flicker almost looks like wavy water. It's only for half a second. My gt50 did the same thing, Im guessing it is the phosphors charging or warming up. Anyone seen this too? My vt30 never did it. And it only does it after the tv has sat over night.

It's the plasma running back into the phosphors from the plasma reservoir.
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post #5418 of 12310
8/6/12 at 4:48pm
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You would be a perfect candidate for the tx-nr819 a couple of us are using. You get increased sharpness and you can over saturate colors anyway. But I def appreciate your views. I have been in your same boat. Good luck to you either way bro.

Thanks guys. I can say that if I can't come to a decision in a couple months, I'll probably come back to the VT50. Enjoy your sets smile.gif
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post #5419 of 12310
8/6/12 at 4:54pm
I am planning on getting this set on thursday from Cleveland Plasma.

I have a question for owners. Does anyone use the motion smoothing? Has anyone come from a LCD and think that the motion smoothing is the same as an LCD. I know most people hate it but I actually grew to love it on my Sony NX810. I am trying to decide between the pne8000 and vt50. I was set on the vt50 but IR reports are scaring me. I watch a lot of espn, yankees, football and game a lot. This is the only reason i am even thinking about the pne8000. With these uses should I go for the Samsung plasma. I just learned the Samsung plasma doesn't have a motion smoother which makes me want the vt50 again. Would it be a stupid idea not to get the pne8000 because of no motion settings?

Sorry for all the questions but everyday I switch between the vt50 and pne8000 and it's driving me crazy. I get paid thursday so I have to make a decision soon. The good thing though is that it seems whichever I get I should be really happy.

I promised myself after I got the nx810 and the clouding was so bad I would never get another LCD. I went thru 3 nx810's and all had clouding in same spot. The 3d was also horrible. I must say though besides clouding the motion and picture was actually pretty great with the Sony.

It makes me laugh when people complain about a few inches of some dull IR spots. My NX810 had a basketball size cloud in the lower middle of the screen and I got used to it.

My dad has an older panasonic plasma which I gave him and he falls asleep with 4:3 shows on and I can see burn in on a blank screen but he never watches a blank screen and doesn't even realize he has it. He loves his set so much and so I don't mention I see the IR.

I think the people noticing IR are probably switching right off of a static image to a colored slide and still see the image but it never usually shows up when watching a movie, at least this is my opinion and I am sure it varies.
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8/6/12 at 5:28pm
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I am planning on getting this set on thursday from Cleveland Plasma.
I have a question for owners. Does anyone use the motion smoothing? Has anyone come from a LCD and think that the motion smoothing is the same as an LCD. I know most people hate it but I actually grew to love it on my Sony NX810. I am trying to decide between the pne8000 and vt50. I was set on the vt50 but IR reports are scaring me. I watch a lot of espn, yankees, football and game a lot. This is the only reason i am even thinking about the pne8000. With these uses should I go for the Samsung plasma. I just learned the Samsung plasma doesn't have a motion smoother which makes me want the vt50 again. Would it be a stupid idea not to get the pne8000 because of no motion settings?
Sorry for all the questions but everyday I switch between the vt50 and pne8000 and it's driving me crazy. I get paid thursday so I have to make a decision soon. The good thing though is that it seems whichever I get I should be really happy.
I promised myself after I got the nx810 and the clouding was so bad I would never get another LCD. I went thru 3 nx810's and all had clouding in same spot. The 3d was also horrible. I must say though besides clouding the motion and picture was actually pretty great with the Sony.
It makes me laugh when people complain about a few inches of some dull IR spots. My NX810 had a basketball size cloud in the lower middle of the screen and I got used to it.
My dad has an older panasonic plasma which I gave him and he falls asleep with 4:3 shows on and I can see burn in on a blank screen but he never watches a blank screen and doesn't even realize he has it. He loves his set so much and so I don't mention I see the IR.
I think the people noticing IR are probably switching right off of a static image to a colored slide and still see the image but it never usually shows up when watching a movie, at least this is my opinion and I am sure it varies.
I've had mine since Father's Day and while I'm not a big sports watcher I do watch a lot of movies with black bars and play some xbox and I have not seen any IR. I've been away from this thread because I've been moving and aside from that just very happy with my decision.

I popped in Aliens last night and was just floored at what an amazing panel this is. Great transfer helps but it really is worthy of all the praise. Don't get bogged down with the avs "lemme find a flaw" theme, just test it out in the store the best you can and buy the one you like best. The motion smooth is not the same as LCD but it depends on the content. Movies it is just intolerable IMO with the exception of Transformers Dark Side of the Moon in 3D which just had weird motion and did not look right. Motion smooth on live concerts and things like that is ok, looked good on Jeff Beck and Imelda May's tribute to Les Paul.

Since I'm catching up here are most of you still using TopperMcFly or wmwilker settings or has anything else come along? I'll be having mine calibrated in a month or two but so far wmwilker's settings have been a great fit.
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8/6/12 at 5:47pm
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I've had mine since Father's Day and while I'm not a big sports watcher I do watch a lot of movies with black bars and play some xbox and I have not seen any IR. I've been away from this thread because I've been moving and aside from that just very happy with my decision.
I popped in Aliens last night and was just floored at what an amazing panel this is. Great transfer helps but it really is worthy of all the praise. Don't get bogged down with the avs "lemme find a flaw" theme, just test it out in the store the best you can and buy the one you like best. The motion smooth is not the same as LCD but it depends on the content. Movies it is just intolerable IMO with the exception of Transformers Dark Side of the Moon in 3D which just had weird motion and did not look right. Motion smooth on live concerts and things like that is ok, looked good on Jeff Beck and Imelda May's tribute to Les Paul.
Since I'm catching up here are most of you still using TopperMcFly or wmwilker settings or has anything else come along? I'll be having mine calibrated in a month or two but so far wmwilker's settings have been a great fit.

Thanks you very much for the advice. I went to Bestbuy yesterday and saw them both. The 55" vt50 was in the dark theater room of the magnolia section with a 90" Sharp. The vt50 was a really beautiful tv. i thought the Sasung pne8000 was also really nice. I noticed the dithering on the 65" vt50 but the 55" in the theater room I didn't notice it as much. My problem is I am sitting very close to my tv and I am worried the dithering will be very noticeable and that's another reason I am considering the Samsung, it's 4 inches smaller. I really wish they made a 50" vt50 this year. Also the Samsung is $300.00 cheaper, comes with a bundled galaxy tablet from Newegg and comes with the glasses.

I am so confused, my family wants to kill me. Everyday I wake up I choose a different tv. I am so conflicted between the samsung and panny.
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8/6/12 at 6:02pm
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I've had mine since Father's Day and while I'm not a big sports watcher I do watch a lot of movies with black bars and play some xbox and I have not seen any IR. I've been away from this thread because I've been moving and aside from that just very happy with my decision.
I popped in Aliens last night and was just floored at what an amazing panel this is. Great transfer helps but it really is worthy of all the praise. Don't get bogged down with the avs "lemme find a flaw" theme, just test it out in the store the best you can and buy the one you like best. The motion smooth is not the same as LCD but it depends on the content. Movies it is just intolerable IMO with the exception of Transformers Dark Side of the Moon in 3D which just had weird motion and did not look right. Motion smooth on live concerts and things like that is ok, looked good on Jeff Beck and Imelda May's tribute to Les Paul.
Since I'm catching up here are most of you still using TopperMcFly or wmwilker settings or has anything else come along? I'll be having mine calibrated in a month or two but so far wmwilker's settings have been a great fit.

Thanks you very much for the advice. I went to Bestbuy yesterday and saw them both. The 55" vt50 was in the dark theater room of the magnolia section with a 90" Sharp. The vt50 was a really beautiful tv. i thought the Sasung pne8000 was also really nice. I noticed the dithering on the 65" vt50 but the 55" in the theater room I didn't notice it as much. My problem is I am sitting very close to my tv and I am worried the dithering will be very noticeable and that's another reason I am considering the Samsung, it's 4 inches smaller. I really wish they made a 50" vt50 this year. Also the Samsung is $300.00 cheaper, comes with a bundled galaxy tablet from Newegg and comes with the glasses.

I am so confused, my family wants to kill me. Everyday I wake up I choose a different tv. I am so conflicted between the samsung and panny.

This process can be brutal on you and your loved ones. I know from experience. I go through as many as 5 sets each time I upgrade. I am as critical and ocd as the worst of them. With that said, I ended up with a kuro 4 years ago and a vt50 this time around. Each ordeal lasted months. And I felt and feel I made the best choices that I could have made in each case.

I have to remind myself that there is no perfect anything, except for children that is. I am content and simply love my vt50. We had a rough patch in the thread where I think most of us had a bad case of NTS. Even though you are aware of this condition, you still can't avoid coming down with it. It takes a good 6 weeks before your eyes chill out and stop zeroing in on every aspect of the picture.

I don't want to cloud things with the processor talk. As I have said before, the vt50 does not need a processor. But processing through my Onkyo has given me even more viewing pleasure.

Either way, this set is worthy of every single great review and award for excellent pq.
Edited by TopperMcFly - 8/6/12 at 6:08pm
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post #5423 of 12310
8/6/12 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

I appreciated your post Jew and take no issue with it as I said before, they are known differences. That being said, the sharpness you grew accustom to was an edge enhanced image and it does take some time to get accustom to an accurate image, but we all like different things and all work hard to get them. To each is own.

According to hdtvtest.co.uk, the VT50 also has edge enhancement, which cannot be defeated, even when set to "0". Apparently, it is subtle, especially compared to LCD TVs, and the resulting artifacts are not easily seen on video. However, they would be visible on static displays such as computer text, which will show up jagged. I wish Panasonic would let users defeat ALL processing. Sometimes, you just don't want it, and it can actually ruin the picture.

Michael
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8/6/12 at 6:11pm
Ya I really have been driving my Family crazy. I'm almost making myself sick over the whole thing. Sometimes I just have to tell myself that I am just talking about a tv and I calm down a bit. But I am like this with most things in my life and not just tv's. I just built a computer and went thru almost every part about 3 times.

My first hdtv I went thru about 3 or 4 lcd's before settling on a panny plasma about 5 years ago.

When I went to upgrade 2 years ago. I started with the Vizio full array which was terrible then the Sony HX800 which was also a mess and then 3 nx810's with basketball size clouds after it was on for a half an hour. My Dad comes with me everytime to help me carry the tv so I feel so bad because I drive him nuts.

Luckily I give my Dad a lot of nice tv's and electronics all in perfect OCD condition so he is very happy.

I will probably switch the decision in my mind 10 more times before thursday. I still am very excited though and can't wait. I think I will get the vt50. I just built a gaming computer with a 27" real 120hz monitor so at least I will not be gaming on it which kind of helps me feel better about chances of bad IR. I just think some people are expecting to play games for weeks straight and hours a day with brightness and contrast on high and then switch to a blank screen and are upset to see some ghosted images. It seems the picture on this tv is so beautiful it's probably worth having to be a little careful.
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8/6/12 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by strong island 1 View Post

I think the people noticing IR are probably switching right off of a static image to a colored slide and still see the image but it never usually shows up when watching a movie, at least this is my opinion and I am sure it varies.

Good point!

To the people who have zero IR, have you checked it on a solid color slide?

Michael
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post #5426 of 12310
8/6/12 at 6:20pm
For anyone that cares smile.gif I just posted my calibration report and setting file in the Setting Thread. The new firmware makes the calibration go much faster.
The results are noticeable also.
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8/6/12 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

Good point!
To the people who have zero IR, have you checked it on a solid color slide?
Michael

My point was not to do this. I have even seen some LCD's where if you switch from a static image directly to a blank screen you will see some ghosted images.

When I get my vt50 I am never going to run any of these slides so I don't see any problems. If I watch movies and see something then I will complain. A tv is not meant to be viewed using single colored slides or blank screens, especially after watching content.
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post #5428 of 12310
8/6/12 at 7:28pm
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I wrote that I am running the scroll bar "just to be safe" because while I don't see the NBC Olympics logo on regular programming - although admittedly I haven't looked all that carefully - the logo is clear in all its glory on the white (vs. black) segment of the anti-IR scroll bar. (That implies to me that even on regular programming, on a white screen it would show up, but again I have not paid that much attention.)
For every hour or so of watching the Olympics - and that typically includes fast-forwarding through commercials so the logo is on a very high percentage of that 60 minute period - it seems to take about 15 minutes of the scroll bar running before it disappears from the white segment. Two or more hours of Olympics programming takes at least a couple 15-minute cycles of the scrolling bar before it goes away. That, imho, is IR.
Btw - fwiw, I'd say I have around 100 to 150 hours or so on the TV.
Nice pic! My cat was enjoying watching Puss 'N Boots yesterday.

Do you have the pixel orbiter on?

Probably not the best test since my VT50 was off all day today, but I turned it on and immediately went to the scrolling bars. I had my usual (though very minimal) DSE, but no sign of the logo. Then again, I *always* have the pixel orbiter on.
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post #5429 of 12310
8/6/12 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by strong island 1 View Post

My point was not to do this. I have even seen some LCD's where if you switch from a static image directly to a blank screen you will see some ghosted images.
When I get my vt50 I am never going to run any of these slides so I don't see any problems. If I watch movies and see something then I will complain. A tv is not meant to be viewed using single colored slides or blank screens, especially after watching content.

When I worked for a certain cable channel, I frequently noticed that there was one entire media encoding dept that had the channel's logo completely *burned in* to their computers' LCD panels. LCD is far from immune, even modern PVA and IPS LCD panels. However, the myth seems to stay alive.

OLED is predicted to be even worse with IR/burn-in frown.gif.
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8/6/12 at 7:39pm
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Do you have the pixel orbiter on?
Probably not the best test since my VT50 was off all day today, but I turned it on and immediately went to the scrolling bars. I had my usual (though very minimal) DSE, but no sign of the logo. Then again, I *always* have the pixel orbiter on.

Can i ask about the pixel orbiter? I will be getting my vt50 soon. Should I have this on? What exactly does it do? Do i need to turn it on rigjt away even for the break in?
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