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post #6421 of 13474
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Ya, but when you consider everything the Basic package includes along with the specially designed travel case (very nice and HQ) that comes with the basic package for less money than Spectracal's OEM, it becomes a moot point. But I guess you already know this.
Anyway to tie this into this thread, I am looking forward to Calman 5, and what it will do for are VT50's. If what the guys at SpectraCal say that Calman 5 autocal can do for the VT50 turns out to be correct, that would be a nice plus for the VT50.
I will be giving Calamn 5 and autocal its day in court, and of-course comment on it.
For anybody reading this, imo hold off on buying Calman 5/autocal until there is some feed back on Calman5/autocal.
Calman 4/autocal was not very good, imo.
ss

Speaking of which, have you seen this page yet? It's SpectraCal's Calman 4 -> Calman 5 upgrade path. So far it seems pretty generous. Those of us with CalMan DIY + the spectro add-on will automatically be getting the highest-end version of the Calman 5 HT (Enthusiast).

A greatly improved user interface
A vastly expanded help system, with extensive tutorials on calibration topics
A helpful new preset selection tool
The innovative CalMAN 5 dynamic range control
Printing reports
The greatest selection of charts and graphs available
Support for a large array of color meters and video pattern discs. (See the hardware support matrix.)
Email, forum, and Skype support
A greatly extended range of meters and pattern sources. (See the hardware support matrix.)
An expanded range of workflows
Direct Display Control access to supported panels and projectors, via direct controls and interactive charts
Autocalibration of supported displays and processors - including gamma, grayscale, and now unprecedented color gamut autocalibration as well!
The Meter Profile Editor
The Disc Player IR Editor
Advanced measurements, including
Gamut Saturation Ramps
Gamut Luminance Ramps
Color Checker
Color Cube measurements
Auto-generation of 3D Look-Up Tables (color cubes) for selected processors
Advanced charts allowing a 3D view of color data
PC calibration, including PC workflows and one PC client license
The Gamut Target Editor
The Levels Editor
Support of additional meters and processors not previously available at home (See the hardware support matrix.)
Design mode, allowing Enthusiasts to create their own layouts and workflows
Telephone technical support


CalMan isn't cheap, but SpectraCal deserves a lot of kudos for this policy as the "bang for your buck" with Calman 5 seems to be enormous. I don't know about you guys, but I'm holding off on any future VT50 calibrations until this launches.
post #6422 of 13474
I am wondering if anyone here who is from somewhere in Ontario Canada that has actually taken a trip across the border to Value Electronics and purchased a VT50 from there? If so, how much more did the tv cost once the border added on customs and taxes? The reason I'm asking this is because I am considering taking a drive across the border to purchase one and I'm hoping that even with the customs and taxes imposed at the border, I could still be saving a substantial amount of money. Thanks to all those that can reply!

Cheers,
J-Dogg
post #6423 of 13474
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Originally Posted by J-Dogg View Post

does anyone have their 55" VT50 mounted on monoprice's ultra-slim low profile wall mount? The model number is MLB-41 Black.

I have a vt25 and a vt50 mounted with these and they work great. Makes for a very clean look. No problems with them at all. Best part is they a so tight to the wall that you do not see any wires when looking from the side. This was important to me because each room I have them mounted in are laid out such that you can come around a corner and look down the wall they are mounted on. With these mounts they are so close you can barely see any light behind them when looking down the wall.

Sean
post #6424 of 13474
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Originally Posted by J-Dogg View Post

Thanks for your comments/input swank121, I really appreciate that. I also am hoping that other users who are using low-profile mounts for this tv will also comment on this too as well, especially in regards to the clearance space that panasonic says that is needed behind the tv. I don't plan on having alot of connecting cables to the tv anyways...pretty much all I will need is the power cord and two HDMI cables as alot of my cables will be hooked to my AVR. I don't think I'll be hooking up an ethernet cable to the tv either as I plan on using my wi-fi connection.

Those specifications are for the top and sides, not the distance out from the wall. The vents pull air from the bottom and it exits the top. There are no vents on the flat part that attaches to the bracket and is closest to the mounting surface.

Sean
post #6425 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Speaking of which, have you seen this page yet? It's SpectraCal's Calman 4 -> Calman 5 upgrade path. So far it seems pretty generous. Those of us with CalMan DIY + the spectro add-on will automatically be getting the highest-end version of the Calman 5 HT (Enthusiast t).

CalMan isn't cheap, but SpectraCal deserves a lot of kudos for this policy as the "bang for your buck" with Calman 5 seems to be enormous. I don't know about you guys, but I'm holding off on any future VT50 calibrations until this launches.

Yes I sure have seen what Calman5 Enthusiast is offering, and yes I think it is just what we need and more. Kudos!

Just to be clear, I think Calman 4 is very good, I was referring to Autocal not being very good to use with my VT50.

So I guess there will be at-least two of us commenting on Calman5/autocal used for are VT50's.

ss
post #6426 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Sean_S View Post

I have a vt25 and a vt50 mounted with these and they work great. Makes for a very clean look. No problems with them at all. Best part is they a so tight to the wall that you do not see any wires when looking from the side. This was important to me because each room I have them mounted in are laid out such that you can come around a corner and look down the wall they are mounted on. With these mounts they are so close you can barely see any light behind them when looking down the wall.
Sean

That's great to hear Sean! I really appreciate hearing that someone else actually has the same model that i have and is using it with the vt50 with no problems whatsoever! Once again thank you for commenting with some positive feedback about the usage of the ultra slim low profile wall mount with a vt50 smile.gif

Cheers,
J-Dogg
post #6427 of 13474
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Yes I sure have seen what Calman5 Enthusiast is offering, and yes I think it is just what we need and more. Kudos!
Just to be clear, I think Calman 4 is very good, I was referring to Autocal not being very good to use with my VT50.
So I guess there will be at-least two of us commenting on Calman5/autocal used for are VT50's.
ss

I just receive my VT50 couple days ago. Why is the reason for Autocal not being good with the VT50. Im very new to calabrating TV's so that feature will be used allot by me.
post #6428 of 13474
My new 55VT50 replaced a 10-year-old Sony plasma. The VT50 is of course an incredible improvement. But the old Sony had a nifty feature that I really miss.

It had a "picture off" button on the remote. It blanked the display without powering off. So I could pause a Blu-Ray or DVR for as long as I wanted, hit "picture off", and feel comfortable that I would not damage the display. I think all flat panels should have this feature, or at least plasmas.

The best I can come up with now is to go to an unused input (like PC) on the VT50. When I want to re-start the content, I go back to the proper HDMI input. I do this with discreet codes on my universal remote, so it's a one-button press each time.

BUT --- I don't know what the display is doing on an unused input. What is the all black screen in that situation? Will it hurt the VT50 display over time? And the annoying "no signal" message won't go away. Is that just a simple notification that the TV is still on, or is it a serious warning not to leave the display in that mode because of possible damage?

The same thing applies to using audio services on my receiver that need the on-screen GUI to be displayed. This must be harmful to the display. I can't change the input in that situation because the audio service would close. A "picture off" button would save the day.
post #6429 of 13474
By default, the VT50 display will shut itself off after 10 minutes of no signal, which I discovered while attempting to charge the 3D glasses with nothing going on, on the screen.
post #6430 of 13474
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

By default, the VT50 display will shut itself off after 10 minutes of no signal, which I discovered while attempting to charge the 3D glasses with nothing going on, on the screen.

That function can be disabled. Under the circumstances I described above, I would rather not turn the TV on and off frequently. I believe that is hard on the electronics.

I want to pause content and walk away for 5 or 10 or 15 minutes without turning the TV off and on.
post #6431 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Sean_S View Post

I have a vt25 and a vt50 mounted with these and they work great. Makes for a very clean look. No problems with them at all. Best part is they a so tight to the wall that you do not see any wires when looking from the side. This was important to me because each room I have them mounted in are laid out such that you can come around a corner and look down the wall they are mounted on. With these mounts they are so close you can barely see any light behind them when looking down the wall.
Sean
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Originally Posted by Sean_S View Post

I have a vt25 and a vt50 mounted with these and they work great. Makes for a very clean look. No problems with them at all. Best part is they a so tight to the wall that you do not see any wires when looking from the side. This was important to me because each room I have them mounted in are laid out such that you can come around a corner and look down the wall they are mounted on. With these mounts they are so close you can barely see any light behind them when looking down the wall.
Sean

Sean s ,

I know it's off topic , but since you have both the vt25 and the vt50 , how much improvement is the vt50 ?
post #6432 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Sean_S View Post

Those specifications are for the top and sides, not the distance out from the wall. The vents pull air from the bottom and it exits the top. There are no vents on the flat part that attaches to the bracket and is closest to the mounting surface.
Sean

I'm glad to hear the low profile mounts work well. I considered one but it's not an aesthetic problem in my room and I wanted to be able to reach the connections without taking the TV down.

I must point out that the specifications are clearly for the distance from the wall. From P. 5 of the Quick Setup Guide:
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP55VT50.PDF

Leave a space of 3 15/16” (10 cm) or more at the top,
left and right, and 2 3/4” (7 cm) or more at the rear.

Whether or not they really matter is another question. I'm sure Panasonic errs on the side of caution. To find out I ran white slides on my 65" VT50 for 30 minutes and measured the air temp coming from the vents. It was 110 F. The hottest area on the panel was 119 F. Nothing to worry about.
post #6433 of 13474
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Originally Posted by PhillyC View Post

That function can be disabled. Under the circumstances I described above, I would rather not turn the TV on and off frequently. I believe that is hard on the electronics.
I want to pause content and walk away for 5 or 10 or 15 minutes without turning the TV off and on.

What ever happened to the idea of powering electronics on/off caused damage. I heard that long ago and because of that I have a 2-ch Parasound amp that powers my subs that has not been turned off for 15 years!
post #6434 of 13474
Whats is native refresh rate of tv50? Is that 24P or 60HZ?
Also is Panasonic 24P a 23.796?
post #6435 of 13474
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Originally Posted by cpluse View Post

I just receive my VT50 couple days ago. Why is the reason for Autocal not being good with the VT50. Im very new to calabrating TV's so that feature will be used allot by me.

AutoCal has not been popular because it's widely agreed that you can still get a better calibration by hand, at least on a VT50. That said, what we saw in CalMan 4 was apparently the first draft of AutoCal. The newer one in 5 is supposed to be much better, but the verdict is still out, especially since CalMan 5 hasn't launched yet for consumers- just business.

Any calibrators get to try AutoCal in the CalMan 5 Business edition yet (on a VT50 hopefully)?
post #6436 of 13474
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Originally Posted by blwegrzyn View Post

Whats is native refresh rate of tv50? Is that 24P or 60HZ?
Also is Panasonic 24P a 23.796?

Without look up the spec list, I believe (at least for the panel) it's 600 Hz, but it's very much a paper spec (vs anything you'd notice with your eye). When it comes to the displayed picture, due to the way plasma works (vs LCD), 24Hz isn't practical. You can still see a strong flicker even at 48Hz, which is why they offer 96 Hz for 24p content. Most people still run it at the standard 60 Hz with a 3:2 pulldown due to some perceptible flicker even at 96 Hz, depending on the content.
post #6437 of 13474
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

What ever happened to the idea of powering electronics on/off caused damage. I heard that long ago and because of that I have a 2-ch Parasound amp that powers my subs that has not been turned off for 15 years!

That's a pretty good question. I doubt it's a problem today, but I don't design these things so I have no idea. The reason for that original idea was due to the in-rush current causing stress on components during a power-on, but I'd imagine that problem has been largely solved (with regulator circuits). But again, I could easily be talking out of my ass here.
post #6438 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

AutoCal has not been popular because it's widely agreed that you can still get a better calibration by hand, at least on a VT50. That said, what we saw in CalMan 4 was apparently the first draft of AutoCal. The newer one in 5 is supposed to be much better, but the verdict is still out, especially since CalMan 5 hasn't launched yet for consumers- just business.
Any calibrators get to try AutoCal in the CalMan 5 Business edition yet (on a VT50 hopefully)?

I've been busy testing 3D LUTs on the VT50 with the SpectraCal ColorBox and the Lumagen Radiance VP. If I get a chance I'll run an autocal with CM5.
post #6439 of 13474
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Here is what you requested, Topper.
I used deltaE 76 for the grayscale and deltaE 94 for the CMS (except for 100% white reading deltaE 76)
So I am just guessing at what deltaE formals the other man used when he ran the report. But many calibrators use these formals.
Warm2 and sharpness set at 14, along with the rest of your settings.
I think you learned a good lesson in calibration, and that is don't keep reworking bad settings in hopes of getting them right. Just start over as you did with these setting.
I haven't used your settings yet, but I can say looking at this report you have done well for someone without a Spectroradiometer or calibration software.

ss

Any idea why to use delta E76 for grayscale and not Delta E94?
post #6440 of 13474
Ok this may get me yelled at but... Does the motion smoother on the VT50 or GT50 have a soap opera effect. I happen to have a glitch in my brain that loves it. I love it so much it is a deciding factor in my tv purchase.I really want the GT50 and i realize from my own experience that a plasma has a superior picture.How ever if there is no soap opera effect I would rather go with the sony hx850. On another note I orederd a darbelet on friday aug 31st from AVS very excited about that.
post #6441 of 13474
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Originally Posted by cardoski View Post

Ok this may get me yelled at but... Does the motion smoother on the VT50 or GT50 have a soap opera effect. I happen to have a glitch in my brain that loves it. I love it so much it is a deciding factor in my tv purchase.I really want the GT50 and i realize from my own experience that a plasma has a superior picture.How ever if there is no soap opera effect I would rather go with the sony hx850. On another note I orederd a darbelet on friday aug 31st from AVS very excited about that.
I will take little SOE any time than judder and flicker on 1080p/24p content...its very minor
post #6442 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Any calibrators get to try AutoCal in the CalMan 5 Business edition yet (on a VT50 hopefully)?

Autocal works quite well. I wanted to make a visual comparison to my other ISF mode so used the same high numbers I have for very bright room daytime settings - Contrast - 86, Color 50. & Pnl Brite - High I used an i1Pro Spectro so low end accuracy is questionable as always. Results were good. The gamma blip around 90% is normal for this high max output. Also, overall color luminance is a bit high visually but the picture was pleasing none the less. The only content I viewed was 1080i Atlanta Sprint Cup racing and I wasn't about to change the channel.





Back to the race....
post #6443 of 13474
The race is over. Congratulations Denny Hamlin.

The luminance thing - just occurred to me that the other ISF mode was calibrated at 75% color saturations instead of 100% because of less than stellar color tracking by the VT50. That explains the lower luminance (and better flesh tones) of my original calibration.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, and if you care to know, just ask and I'll post some graphs that will easily show you what I'm referring to.
post #6444 of 13474
Thanks for commenting. Dam looks like this may not be the TV for me.
post #6445 of 13474
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

The race is over. Congratulations Denny Hamlin.
The luminance thing - just occurred to me that the other ISF mode was calibrated at 75% color saturations instead of 100% because of less than stellar color tracking by the VT50. That explains the lower luminance (and better flesh tones) of my original calibration.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, and if you care to know, just ask and I'll post some graphs that will easily show you what I'm referring to.

Please explain I'm learning and about to get Calman5 when released. To me the VT50 picture looks amazing. Watch Good Morning Vietnam the greens look real not hyped. Watched Bengals football no stuttering effect . Smooth motion. Played NHL12! i play a season with another tv. And just WOW on Vt50 & NHL13 comes out next week. I need to find F1 in HD on my tv also. That will be very nice to watch,

And all this on Vivid mode .I know right. Still running Burn-IN every night, so have not gone crazy on settings. If it looks good not i cant imagine calibrated. First movie i watch is Legend of the Guardians Blue when finally calibrated.

I love this forum .....biggrin.gif
post #6446 of 13474
Alright, so I've had my panel for about 7 weeks now and I'm glad I made the switch from LCD to plasma but there is just one thing that gets me. If I put a completely black slide on the screen and turn off all the lights, the all black screen is pretty damn bright. The uniformity is great and there aren't any clouds like on an LCD but it's not as black as I thought it would be. Setting the brightness and contrast makes no difference. It looks the same in all black scenes in movies too.

Exactly how black is an all black screen supposed to be on these sets? If you view it in complete darkness is it supposed to look almost like the TV is off or is it supposed to be a brightly light black like my set?

It's not a huge deal, I just want to know if I have a defective set because when I move in a year I can go to any Best Buy and switch it out with a brand new set since I bought the warranty. It wouldn't be a huge inconvenience at that time because I'd be moving everything anyways.
post #6447 of 13474
Hello AVS this is my first post, i can't say how much i love the vt50 65". What an amazing accomplishment for panasonic. I worked in Magnolia for 3 months, honestly because i wanted this setup and i wanted the vender deals, just got everything i wanted and now i am back in school. No i didn't sell 300$ monster cables i am a junior in college working towards my business degree and enjoyed referring customers to AVS to get better educated on products, especially over priced products that for some customers did not need one bit. I have learned a lot on this site there is so much good information and well educated enthusiast here!















"hopefully my landlord is not a member of AVS he would be very un happy of me mounting a 65 in my small room lol"

My Build:
65" Panasonic VT50
SC-68 Pioneer Elite
BDP-53 Pioneer Elite Blu Ray
Apple TV 2nd gen
Xbox 360 Slim
M5400 Panamax

Currently looking at some Definitive all in one sound bars to mount under the tv for my small room.
My sc-68 is itching for some speakers soon to be on the way

But for now i am loving the setup, hope you enjoy!



post #6448 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Ice That Jaw View Post

Alright, so I've had my panel for about 7 weeks now and I'm glad I made the switch from LCD to plasma but there is just one thing that gets me. If I put a completely black slide on the screen and turn off all the lights, the all black screen is pretty damn bright. The uniformity is great and there aren't any clouds like on an LCD but it's not as black as I thought it would be. Setting the brightness and contrast makes no difference. It looks the same in all black scenes in movies too.
Exactly how black is an all black screen supposed to be on these sets? If you view it in complete darkness is it supposed to look almost like the TV is off or is it supposed to be a brightly light black like my set?
It's not a huge deal, I just want to know if I have a defective set because when I move in a year I can go to any Best Buy and switch it out with a brand new set since I bought the warranty. It wouldn't be a huge inconvenience at that time because I'd be moving everything anyways.

If you haven't already, go into pro settings and change the AGC to "0" and see if that makes any difference.

Just in general terms, adjusting brightness should increase/decrease the brightness of the screen.

By chance, you're not running your pattern from an HTPC?
post #6449 of 13474
I have little trouble achieving an all-black screen that is very, very hard to distinguish from the bezel in a dark room.
post #6450 of 13474
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Originally Posted by cpluse View Post

I just receive my VT50 couple days ago. Why is the reason for Autocal not being good with the VT50. Im very new to calabrating TV's so that feature will be used allot by me.

I was referring to Calman4 Autocal, not Calman5 Autocal.

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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Any idea why to use delta E76 for grayscale and not Delta E94?

Check this thread out as was suggested by buzzard767.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425149/what-de-to-use-when-calibrating

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