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post #6871 of 13480
Has anyone been able to get the Viera Remote app on the iPhone working with the VT50? I've got all the settings enabled in the Network Link menu on the TV and have both the iPhone and the TV on the same wireless network. I can't get the Viera app to recognize the VT50 device.
post #6872 of 13480
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Originally Posted by phunqe View Post

Hello,
I received a (EU) TX-P65VT50Y yesterday and I would like some help identifying if this is up to specs. Since I am not used to plasma I would very much appreciate the help.
I have linked 3 pictures.
Number 1 & 2: I am aware of the fact that plasmas show dithering and noise up close, but I have no reference if the amount I am seeing is normal. The first picture is from the built in tuner, using DVB-C, the second is from a PC playing Avatar BR iso.
Number 3: I was very surprised to see that if I display a completely white picture on the screen it would actually turn grey. Not "dirty white", but grey. I got the explanation on another forum that this is by Panasonic design (maybe to save power?). I have attached a picture that looks basically the same on my calibrated monitors as on the plasma. Is this really by design (I find it odd)?
Thank you.
http://www.pbase.com/image/146199957/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/image/146199960/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/image/146199961/original.jpg

Ok I got the answer to number 3:
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Furthermore, for plasma owners, something known as the Automatic Brightness Limiter (ABL) can't be turned off. This is a protective feature built into plasmas to control power consumption, since on a plasma brightness is directly related to the amount of power consumed. In scenes with a high Average Picture Level (APL) - that is, scenes which have a high proportion of bright elements - the ABL will reduce the overall brightness output of the plasma panel to stabilize power consumption; conversely in scenes which have a lower proportion of brighter elements (low APL), the overall brightness of the scene is allowed to be higher. For example a full white screen is not going to have as much luminance as a small window of white on a dark background, precisely due to ABL.

As for the dither, I am aware that it can be a bit hard just by looking at pictures, so at some point I will try to find another panel, but at least maybe somoene can venture to tell me if we are at least in the ballpark smile.gif
post #6873 of 13480
EVERY other aspect of HDMI control works

Switches to TV on AVR and outputs OTA audio
When tv turns off, AVR does
Volume on remote controls volume on AVR when hdmi control /tv is in progress.

If this was cabling....these mere functions in itself would not be working
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

You sure you have HDMI Control set to on, on your Denon and the TV port set to use HDMI on the Denon as well?
The only other thing I know of is if you plug and unplug hdmi cables between the TV and Denon then you should power everything off and then back on for the changes to take effect. I have a Denon 3311ci connected to my family room Sony LED TV and have come to learn that I can't switch the hdmi cables around while the components are powered on or the Denon gets confused. In the past I've had to power off all components and unplug and plug back in the hdmi cables while the components were off to reset everything if I changed the HDMI cables while the Denon and TV were powered on.
post #6874 of 13480
Did anyone watch Cabin in the Woods yet on their VT50? I watched the blu ray version last night thinking it would be a good test for the vt50 due to all the dark scenes. It turned out pretty awful actually. I'm pretty sure it was due to compression artifacts though. Every pitch black scene had some type of artifact in it. Pretty sad you pay all this money for perfect blacks and you buy a high quality blu ray and the dark scenes look like crap due to artifacts. If anyone else watched let me know if you experienced the same results. Thanks.
post #6875 of 13480
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Originally Posted by jcm304 View Post

Did anyone watch Cabin in the Woods yet on their VT50? I watched the blu ray version last night thinking it would be a good test for the vt50 due to all the dark scenes. It turned out pretty awful actually. I'm pretty sure it was due to compression artifacts though. Every pitch black scene had some type of artifact in it. Pretty sad you pay all this money for perfect blacks and you buy a high quality blu ray and the dark scenes look like crap due to artifacts. If anyone else watched let me know if you experienced the same results. Thanks.

Very good blacks, very good dark scenes with very nice detail,.No "artifact".

You need to change your settings, try THX mode.

ss
post #6876 of 13480
Yeah I streamed the movie off CinemaNow and it looks pretty nice, great black levels.

My biggest complaint about the film wasn't the picture quality, I thought the movie was kind of lame.
post #6877 of 13480
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Very good blacks, very good dark scenes with very nice detail,.No "artifact".
You need to change your settings, try THX mode.
ss

Thx cinema helped but there are still certain scenes where it's a little blotchy in the black areas. In general the blacks are really good and pq is good. I was just referring to certain scenes. Maybe it's the distant fog that's coming through the black area. Not sure. One scene was right before he jumped the dirt bike in the top right of the screen. I'm definitely being picky but didn't think it would be visible at all.
post #6878 of 13480
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Originally Posted by jcm304 View Post

Thx cinema helped but there are still certain scenes where it's a little blotchy in the black areas. In general the blacks are really good and pq is good. I was just referring to certain scenes. Maybe it's the distant fog that's coming through the black area. Not sure. One scene was right before he jumped the dirt bike in the top right of the screen. I'm definitely being picky but didn't think it would be visible at all.

Whenever I get picky about picture quality, I turn on my 55 LED that's side by side to the VT50 and I'm reminded of how bad an LED does black levels
post #6879 of 13480
I am in the market for a 65" TV and will be purchasing between now and early Dec (may take advantage of Thanksgiving specials - not sure). My 2 current choices (if I had to order it today) are the VT50 or the Sony HX950 (LED). I am of no particular technology religion re TVs. I want a great picture for when I watch movies - my family is MUCH less picky smile.gif, and a reliable, trouble free TV. I currently own an old Panasonic 720p CRT (that will go away) and a Sony XBR4 (lcd) that I am generally pleased with. I am flexible on budget and am willing to spend up to $5000 (the HX950 will likely cost this). The room I am putting it in is a partially above ground walk-out basement with lots of windows and two sliding doors so there is quite a bit of light - though being a basement and being that one row of windows (that will be in front of tv) are under a deck the light is somewhat subdued. I am leaning towards the Sony due to brightness and due to my (perhaps unfounded) fear of IR issues reported on the vt50. I have kids, they have video games. Despite times-outs, screen savers, etc they WILL leave images on the screen for hours, many hours at times. It has happened four or five times on the XBR4 in several years, so I know it WILL happen. The old Panny CRT has a Wii menu item [very slightly] burnt into one corner due to a paused image left there for probably a day or two once some years back. 3D is nice, but not a high priority for me. I am sure the family will be all excited about 3D, so it shouldn't suck. I will not be spending a week (or whatever) running "break-in slides", etc on a TV. I have higher priority things to do, and if that is required then forget it.

I like the price and PQ of the Vt50 but am really leaning LED because I don't want to baby the TV. Given the info here, should I just go with LED or do you think buying a vt50 will work for me. I realize that this is a vt50 owner's thread which seems to limit people's objectiveness for some reason, but I am really looking for owners' honest opinions, not religion, on whether or not for a person who wants a great picture but doesn't want his TV to become a hobby this tv is the right choice.

If there are other choices that will be available in the next two months, do tell.
Thanks,
Tom
Edited by tome - 9/22/12 at 6:26pm
post #6880 of 13480
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Originally Posted by jcm304 View Post

Thx cinema helped but there are still certain scenes where it's a little blotchy in the black areas. In general the blacks are really good and pq is good. I was just referring to certain scenes. Maybe it's the distant fog that's coming through the black area. Not sure. One scene was right before he jumped the dirt bike in the top right of the screen. I'm definitely being picky but didn't think it would be visible at all.
have you tried pausing the scene and adjusting con and brt?
post #6881 of 13480
I'd run with the LED due to the video game issue....
This is coming from someone who has only owned plasmas - as all I so care is about the PQ.
I'm hardly home during the day but for the weekends, etc - even with the sun/glass.....I don't mind the Plasma's at all. Still looks better to my ~eyes~ than anything else
post #6882 of 13480
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Originally Posted by CalWldLif View Post

have you tried pausing the scene and adjusting con and brt?
Yeah and would notice it cleared up the area of the still. I have watched other dark movies and never noticed this sort of thing happen which is why I thought it was related to this particular movie. Thx cinema did make it pretty much go away. Mostly because contrasts is so low.
post #6883 of 13480
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Originally Posted by jcm304 View Post

Did anyone watch Cabin in the Woods yet on their VT50? I watched the blu ray version last night thinking it would be a good test for the vt50 due to all the dark scenes. It turned out pretty awful actually. I'm pretty sure it was due to compression artifacts though. Every pitch black scene had some type of artifact in it. Pretty sad you pay all this money for perfect blacks and you buy a high quality blu ray and the dark scenes look like crap due to artifacts. If anyone else watched let me know if you experienced the same results. Thanks.

I just finished watching it on my 65 inch VT50 and it looked fine, what was disappointing was the fact it only had standard Dolby track from Netflix, thought I read the retail BD has DTS-HD. Getting tired of these studios crippling the rental versions. Do they think their tactics will make me buy a $20 BD to watch once. I wish Netflix would offer a plan that would rent the retail versions.
post #6884 of 13480
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Has anyone been able to get the Viera Remote app on the iPhone working with the VT50? I've got all the settings enabled in the Network Link menu on the TV and have both the iPhone and the TV on the same wireless network. I can't get the Viera app to recognize the VT50 device.

It works on my ipad2 for both my 65VT50 and 60ST50. Under settings I can switch devices from the list, but it is very slow to select. Once selected it works fine and with little lag. It takes a while to initialize though when first starting the app.
post #6885 of 13480
Lol, so after having issues with CalMan getting like max 19-20fL I find out that the EU model is capped to "low" in panel brightness.
That's funny, especially when basically all the raving reviews I read before buying were from the states, which I based my purchase on as well.

I am so furious right now, I can see how weak the brightness is...
post #6886 of 13480
I finally have some settings that really pop! (I know that term is overused but still)

I use the Cnet settings as a base -> http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-564711/panasonic-tc-p65vt50-picture-settings/ and then change the following...

Contrast - 65

Color Temp - Warm 1

Gamma - 2.6

Panel Brightness - High


* Setting the panel brightness to high adds dynamic contrast and really makes the picture pop but it also adds a subtle bloom effect and alters the colors. By turning the contrast way down I was able to remedy this. It actually remedies it at a contrast setting of 76 but it looks even better to me at 65. Obviously a setting this low would look terrible with a Panel Brightness setting at Medium but it looks great t\when it's set to high and really smooths out any artifacts or grain. Keeping the brightness at 58 ensures plenty of detail is shown in the blacks.

I really love these settings! They may not be realistic but they look amazing to me.
Edited by Ice That Jaw - 9/22/12 at 11:02pm
post #6887 of 13480
Should I use this : http://eu.xtreamer.net/products/Xtreamer-Ultra2-Deluxe.html on my 65 " VT50E ? It is in basic a htpc ,so are there any danger of burn in or IR by using this multimedia player ?

Or , to buy classic mediaplayer like : http://www.xtreamer.net/xtreamer-prodigy-upgraded/ ?

rolleyes.gifcool.gif
post #6888 of 13480
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Originally Posted by tome View Post

I like the price and PQ of the Vt50 but am really leaning LED because I don't want to baby the TV. Given the info here, should I just go with LED or do you think buying a vt50 will work for me. I realize that this is a vt50 owner's thread which seems to limit people's objectiveness for some reason, but I am really looking for owners' honest opinions, not religion, on whether or not for a person who wants a great picture but doesn't want his TV to become a hobby this tv is the right choice.

Here's my objective opinion, and it's really objective.

I own a VT50.

I spend no mental energy of any kind "babying" it. I just use it. Period.

It's $2000-2500 cheaper than that Sony, I believe.

I don't think twice about having saved that kind of money. It's going to buy my next TV.

In the meantime, this is a great TV.

And I don't think twice about babying it.

Period.
post #6889 of 13480
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Here's my objective opinion, and it's really objective.
I own a VT50.
I spend no mental energy of any kind "babying" it. I just use it. Period.
It's $2000-2500 cheaper than that Sony, I believe.
I don't think twice about having saved that kind of money. It's going to buy my next TV.
In the meantime, this is a great TV.
And I don't think twice about babying it.
Period.

We did the same. VT50 delivered and unboxed, AVR plugged into HDMI 1, threw it into THX bright to start off and just started using it. We didn't change any of our use patterns whatsoever. We go through a good mix of TV, BR, and games and have enjoyed the heck out of this TV. It's been spades since day one.
post #6890 of 13480
I did a very close look at the TV screen and realized that the image is very grainy, it's kind of like the pixels are jumping very fast. (don't know how to describe it better...) Is it normal?

Also, at a pure black screen, i can see some scan lines running across the screen from the bottom to the top. Is it also normal?
post #6891 of 13480
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Originally Posted by jcm304 View Post

Thx cinema helped but there are still certain scenes where it's a little blotchy in the black areas. In general the blacks are really good and pq is good. I was just referring to certain scenes. Maybe it's the distant fog that's coming through the black area. Not sure. One scene was right before he jumped the dirt bike in the top right of the screen. I'm definitely being picky but didn't think it would be visible at all.

I am the same way, I need to see whatever display I have is as good as it can be. I had three Kuro's and they also were very good but imo using controlled room lighting the VT50 has better in dark scenes (detail, shadows, clarity in 10% to 30% IRE's) than my Kuro's.

I use my VT50 mainly for Bly Ray movies, and imo the VT50 tops any Kuro that I have had for overall PQ. And that's way I learned how to do a ISF calibration using pro tools, not some calibration disc like the WOW disc.

The seen "jumped the dirt bike in the top right of the screen" is very clear without flaws using my settings on my VT50.
In a room that you can control the lighting, use contrast in the range of 77 to 83, color range 47 to 50, panel brightness mid, sharpness 0, color temp warm 1or 2, gamma target of 2.2 however that is not going to make much if any difference unless you can measure and track the gamma.
The main thing that you can do is check your grayscale and make sure it is all gray shades. Below is a link to a free calibration disc that you can use to check your gray scale and a lot of other things.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration

My point is that unless you can really fine tune your display, get use to the flaws that you see using the default settings in the VT50, for the most part they really are not that bad.
Enjoy your very good TV, don't drive yourself crazy.

ss
post #6892 of 13480
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Originally Posted by goemonate View Post

I did a very close look at the TV screen and realized that the image is very grainy, it's kind of like the pixels are jumping very fast. (don't know how to describe it better...) Is it normal?
Also, at a pure black screen, i can see some scan lines running across the screen from the bottom to the top. Is it also normal?

If you are very close to your screen then yes its probably normal. Step back to 5 feet or more, do you see it now.

If you want you can down load this calibration disc for free. http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration

Use the 11 point IRE chapter, set back about 5 feet or more and run through the 0% to 100% IRE's (full screen).

ss
post #6893 of 13480
Hello,

I have seen references to service menu settings by D-Nice, but cannot seem to find them.
Does anybody have a link?

Thank you.
post #6894 of 13480
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

It works on my ipad2 for both my 65VT50 and 60ST50. Under settings I can switch devices from the list, but it is very slow to select. Once selected it works fine and with little lag. It takes a while to initialize though when first starting the app.

Thank you. Still not working for me on my iPad2 or iPhone 5 ( after many attempts on both devices). I am however, able to use the Panasonic BDP210 Blu-ray remote app without any issue. I noticed on theBDP210 blur-ray player itself I had to register the iPhone/iPad on the player before I could sync the app. I didn't see any such registration sub menu on the VT50. Am I missing this device registration sub menu somewhere on the VT50 ?
post #6895 of 13480
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Originally Posted by kluken View Post

I just finished watching it on my 65 inch VT50 and it looked fine, what was disappointing was the fact it only had standard Dolby track from Netflix, thought I read the retail BD has DTS-HD. Getting tired of these studios crippling the rental versions. Do they think their tactics will make me buy a $20 BD to watch once. I wish Netflix would offer a plan that would rent the retail versions.

What!?! Netflix is really starting to piss me off now! mad.gif
post #6896 of 13480
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

What!?! Netflix is really starting to piss me off now! mad.gif

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Originally Posted by kluken View Post

I just finished watching it on my 65 inch VT50 and it looked fine, what was disappointing was the fact it only had standard Dolby track from Netflix, thought I read the retail BD has DTS-HD. Getting tired of these studios crippling the rental versions. Do they think their tactics will make me buy a $20 BD to watch once. I wish Netflix would offer a plan that would rent the retail versions.

Don't get too pissed off mnc. At least we get Dolby Digital 5.1 with Netflix on Panasonic products. Not the case with my Sony LED and Blu-ray player--I don't even get 5.1 on those Sony/Netflix apps. So I am very happy to have Netflix DD 5.1 audio on my Panasonic VT50. Now if you really want excellent audio Dolby Digital + and 1080P quality then try renting/streaming from Vudu ( owned by Walmart). Vudu's HDX format is excellent and available on the VT50.cool.gif
post #6897 of 13480
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

It works on my ipad2 for both my 65VT50 and 60ST50. Under settings I can switch devices from the list, but it is very slow to select. Once selected it works fine and with little lag. It takes a while to initialize though when first starting the app.

Well now. For some reason it's now working on my iPad2 iOS6. cool.gif
post #6898 of 13480
It's content specific.
ie: Iron Man 2 in testing is only 2 channel. Thor is DD.

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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Don't get too pissed off mnc. At least we get Dolby Digital 5.1 with Netflix on Panasonic products. Not the case with my Sony LED and Blu-ray player--I don't even get 5.1 on those Sony/Netflix apps. So I am very happy to have Netflix DD 5.1 audio on my Panasonic VT50. Now if you really want excellent audio Dolby Digital + and 1080P quality then try renting/streaming from Vudu ( owned by Walmart). Vudu's HDX format is excellent and available on the VT50.cool.gif
post #6899 of 13480
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Here's my objective opinion, and it's really objective.
I own a VT50.
I spend no mental energy of any kind "babying" it. I just use it. Period.
It's $2000-2500 cheaper than that Sony, I believe.
I don't think twice about having saved that kind of money. It's going to buy my next TV.
In the meantime, this is a great TV.
And I don't think twice about babying it.
Period.

Thanks Rogo.
The cost difference will be $1500-$1700 as the Sony is currently being pre-ordered at $4999 and I am seeing the vt50 for around $3500, but your point remains it is a chunk of change cheaper. That would buy a portion of the audio equipment I am getting...
Tom
post #6900 of 13480
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Originally Posted by chefwong View Post

It's content specific.
ie: Iron Man 2 in testing is only 2 channel. Thor is DD.

Correct. Audio details are listed per Movie title in Netflix streaming library. Some HD titles are DD 5.1 some are not.
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