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post #7411 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Bamadawg_63 View Post

I know the message you are trying to convey, but you keep contradicting yourself when you say EVERY HDMI IS THE SAME - then turn right around and say AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT INTRODUCE NOISE into the signal - which clearly implies that all cables are NOT the same, or you would not have to even mention that some of them fail at completing the task of delivering the digital signal they are transferring without any artifacts.
Glad you are familiar with blue jean cables, and if you have taken time to read all of their site, they explain in detail that there is a certification process that is required for HDMI cable to ensure that they will do what they are made to do - deliver the digital picture to the TV that the source is transmitting.

No, I am not contradicting myself. I am saying, "rule out pieces of junk and then IGNORE EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF MARKETING SPEAK YOU HERE BECAUSE IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO GET YOU TO SEPARATE YOU FROM YOUR MONEY AND YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR MONEY."

Artifacts in this case are not some subtle thing that require a videophile's eye. They are visible at 20 feet away if the cable is a substandard piece of junk. The audio dropouts will be heard across 3 rooms.

Every decent cable on the market will deliver your signal without these visible artifacts and without sound dropouts.

Honestly, the material you quoted from Blue Jeans is designed to separate you from your money. I'm not saying Blue Jeans sells bad cables (they don't, they sell good cables that are well made) or that they are the most overpriced (they aren't). But there is a ton of babble there.

Most HDMI cables are plugged in and then sit there for years. Nothing about a Blue Jeans "superior grade" cable will outperform a base-model Monoprice cable in terms of audio or video quality.

Read that last sentence 100 times.
post #7412 of 13486
I don't think I've seen that with the white bar. I can see that the edges are fuzzy, but I don't see magenta colored dots on the right side. However, due to the way plasmas create the image, what a camera captures isn't necessarily a good representation of what we actually see.

You should go to Best Buy and ask the people to run the white scrolling bar, and see if you see the same thing.
post #7413 of 13486
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Originally Posted by superbooga View Post

I don't think I've seen that with the white bar. I can see that the edges are fuzzy, but I don't see magenta colored dots on the right side.

I see exactly the same thing. The scrolling white bar is handy to have around.
post #7414 of 13486
Hi Everyone,
I have a curious question. When I watch a HD movie, often times any light in the movie that is blue, like cops using flashlight, or any pinprick source of blue light seems to show up as a bright nova efffect of blue light. I see this only with blue.
It is kind of a star burst effect.
I am running all my video thru a denon avr-991. Also Ps3 sometimes. Also have Calibration settings from Topper from around august. Could Denon be causing this ? Or do I need to tweak my settings?

Anyone else seen this?

Thanks
post #7415 of 13486
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

JoelxD: as the white bar moves from left to right, the leading edge has a bit of cyan to it, the trailing edge has more pronounced magenta hue.

I don't have a camera, but if I take a closeup, I wouldn't be surprised if it looks like yours.

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Anyway, the tech came out about my 65vt50 noise. He took off the panel, tightened some screws on some boards inside. Didn't make any difference.

He said he had planned on replacing the screws with a new type, but my set already had the new type, so he only tightened them.

When he had the back cover off and powered it on, the noise was actually much better. I thought hmm, maybe that fixed it! But no, when he put the cover back on, it was the same.

He said the noise is normal for this set. Nothing more he can do. If I'm dissatisfied, I need to take it up with Panny or the dealer.

I think it may be the fans I'm hearing. There are two 80 or 90mm low profile fans on upper left and right corner.

I must be really tuned into the noise now because I can hear it from the other side of the room, 15 feet away, with the window open -- traffic and bird noise and all.

Thanks for checking this and confirming back with me... this is making me feel a touch better. Possibly meaning, its just the design of the tvs and mine is as good as anyones. We notice a slight noise too, but the room has to be dead silent. Once one person talks, or any sound is on, we can't hear the tv's noise. But yes, there is MUCH more noise coming from this set then my XBR950 for sure.

I thought it may be the fans too, and they do make noise yes, BUT if analyzing it closely, I noticed the sound would increase or decrease pending on what type of picture the panel was displaying. The brighter the image, the louder the sound. Now as it would do that, I would put my ear next to one of the fans, and I came to the conclusion that the fan was not speeding up and slowing down, or therefore NOT the thing getting louder or more quiet. BUT the sound of the fan was always there, so when you add that sound of the fan coupled to the sound of the display itself getting louder at times when a brighter image was displayed, you would get the noise to a point of audible annoyance. AGAIN though, I must reiterate, in our situation, even at its loudest point, once some spoke, or sound was on (even quietly) the unwanted noise the TV was making was drowned out.

I am pointing all this out to you, to maybe have to research to see if it is indeed the fans causing this noise, or possibly the combination of what I described. Do you notice the noise fluctuating like that ?

Our 55"er has 2 fans. One on each side of the TV in the back and slightly more towards the top from the middle. And again, the fans are pretty quiet. If you have a 65"er, I wonder if either it has more fans ? Or if they had to up the fans RPM to keep the bigger display cooler ? Therefore your experiencing more noise than we hear. I mean, they had to do something to keep a bigger tv just as cool as the smaller one, right ? So what did they do ?

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post


I'll look at mine later. I may have to take digicam pics like you did to see what they look like. My bet without testing is that mine is like yours.

Thanks rogo, let me know what you come up with. But really, I seen mine blatant as hell without a camera, so you would see what my pictures show, but just in real life, and the trails all look black. The camera did nothing to change the way it looks OTHER than made the colors apparent (which is totally weird to me, but yea, ok).

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Originally Posted by superbooga View Post

I don't think I've seen that with the white bar. I can see that the edges are fuzzy, but I don't see magenta colored dots on the right side. However, due to the way plasmas create the image, what a camera captures isn't necessarily a good representation of what we actually see.

You should go to Best Buy and ask the people to run the white scrolling bar, and see if you see the same thing.

This is a good idea, I guess I will try that. I just swore I would be getting more one way or the other answers. Seems strange to me that some are saying they see it too, and this is normal. But yet others say their set does not do this and they don't see it (which would imply this is not normal - lol).

Well, I will tell you this, the camera did physically form wise represent what I actually see in real life very good. The only thing it either showed clearer (or changed ?) is making the pixel trails appear colored and not just black. In real life, they look black, (but physically form wise JUST like what you see in the pics). But I think when I look very very close, I do see them having colors. I was just not trying to look that close before.
post #7416 of 13486
I am moving in to a new house soon. I bought a 65" VT 50 recently (which is great, btw) for my man cave and a now I am having a 65" ST50 delivered for my main floor living room. I'm wondering if I need to change the plan and move the VT50 upstairs and the ST50 downstairs b/c of the lighting conditions. The man cave will be pretty dark, but the main floor room will be pretty bright, and for several hours a day, the three top windows (which we planned on leaving uncovered) let sun shine brightly directly where the TV is going to go. Do you think putting the VT50 there will be necessary? Do you think I need to buy some shades/blinds for those three top windows? They are tinted, but not covered. We had the windows wired for motorized shades, but the shades are gonna cost $1000 per window, so we were going to see how it looked before we forked over the $3k. I was going to initially buy a matte screen 70" Sharp LED, but couldn't bring myself to do it, given how much I like the VT50.

The three offending windows (at the top of the pic):



Where the TV for the main floor family room is going to be (above the horizontal rectangle hole in the wall which is reserved for an in-wall center speaker)



BTW, these pics do not depict said bright shining sunlight on the wall. It gets pretty harsh. This pic is from the light shining on a different wall at a different time of day, just to show you how bright it gets:



Any input would be much appreciated.

Also, what is the consensus for the best mount for these 65inchers? I'm wanting a flat immobile mount for the main floor and a swivel mount for the basement.
Edited by MUPPPP - 10/31/12 at 2:39pm
post #7417 of 13486
Move the VT50 to the bright room, see how it looks with the sun. If it reflects too much, spend the 3K. I can't watch any plasma in a bright room and I have drapes everywhere in my house. If you are a movie buff like me, a dark room is the way to go.
post #7418 of 13486
I just hate to have the "inferior" ST50 in my man cave, where the movie watching and sports watching will mainly be. Hmmm, decisions, decisions.
post #7419 of 13486
I would miss the THX to watch movies but that's it. Not everybody like the THX settings but I really love them. 3K for the shades is not a fortune considering how beaultiful your house is. Think about how much money you will save on AC in the summer.
post #7420 of 13486
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

JoelxD: as the white bar moves from left to right, the leading edge has a bit of cyan to it, the trailing edge has more pronounced magenta hue.
I don't have a camera, but if I take a closeup, I wouldn't be surprised if it looks like yours.

So I looked at mine without a camera. I'd say it looks a lot like Joel's. There's a leading edge and a trailing edge. It seems the same to me, but I didn't take a high-res shot to confirm it's truly identical.
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Anyway, the tech came out about my 65vt50 noise. He took off the panel, tightened some screws on some boards inside. Didn't make any difference.
He said he had planned on replacing the screws with a new type, but my set already had the new type, so he only tightened them.
When he had the back cover off and powered it on, the noise was actually much better. I thought hmm, maybe that fixed it! But no, when he put the cover back on, it was the same.
He said the noise is normal for this set. Nothing more he can do. If I'm dissatisfied, I need to take it up with Panny or the dealer.
I think it may be the fans I'm hearing. There are two 80 or 90mm low profile fans on upper left and right corner.
I must be really tuned into the noise now because I can hear it from the other side of the room, 15 feet away, with the window open -- traffic and bird noise and all.

Bummer for you. I hope they find a better fix for you.

I have toyed with harrassing Viera support out here to see if my already quiet set can be reduced to utterly silent even when displaying bright white with no sounds. But I think that's now a waste of effort.
post #7421 of 13486
barth

Sounds like the back cover has something to do with the noise.

Might want to take a closer look at it.
post #7422 of 13486
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Originally Posted by MUPPPP View Post

I am moving in to a new house soon. I bought a 65" VT 50 recently (which is great, btw) for my man cave and a now I am having a 65" ST50 delivered for my main floor living room. I'm wondering if I need to change the plan and move the VT50 upstairs and the ST50 downstairs b/c of the lighting conditions. .

Is there enough space above the mantel to mount a 65 inches? Or is it too high? That would keep the sun shining on it.

Personally, I would put the vt in the man cave for critical viewing and get a led LCD for the bright room. It seems a shame to have a beautiful room with big windows only to pull the shades to watch tv smile.gif Just my worthless 2c
post #7423 of 13486
I don't really like TVs above the fireplace. You have to look up so high to see the tv. Plus, we have in-wall speakers going on that wall so the TV has to go there.

I don't know if any LCD TV would be able to perform well with that harsh sun shining right on it. I think I'll stick the VT50 in the basement and put the ST50 upstairs, see how it looks, and get motorized shades in a couple months if necessary.

Thanks for the input, guys.
post #7424 of 13486
Ive only had this TV for a couple days now and its my first plasma. I have a question about what i understand is judder.

On the Avengers movie when the group shot circle pan's on the group shot in the new york battle the heads of the actors seem to tear.

I have tried all combinations of settings of motion smoother and 48 ,60 and 96Hz . (all other image enhancers are turned off)

Is this just the norm and something to live with?
post #7425 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Xenfernox View Post

Ive only had this TV for a couple days now and its my first plasma. I have a question about what i understand is judder.
On the Avengers movie when the group shot circle pan's on the group shot in the new york battle the heads of the actors seem to tear.
I have tried all combinations of settings of motion smoother and 48 ,60 and 96Hz . (all other image enhancers are turned off)
Is this just the norm and something to live with?

Have you tried outputting 60hz from the BD player? That will let it do the 60hz conversion instead of the tv. Just a thought.
post #7426 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Xenfernox View Post

Ive only had this TV for a couple days now and its my first plasma. I have a question about what i understand is judder.
On the Avengers movie when the group shot circle pan's on the group shot in the new york battle the heads of the actors seem to tear.
I have tried all combinations of settings of motion smoother and 48 ,60 and 96Hz . (all other image enhancers are turned off)
Is this just the norm and something to live with?

Try pausing the picture during that scene and if the background is in focus and clear and the heads are tearing then I would say it's the source.
post #7427 of 13486
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

barth
Sounds like the back cover has something to do with the noise.
Might want to take a closer look at it.

There doesn't seem any particular problem with the back cover. It doesn't look warped on damaged. Screws are all present and tight. It's a matter of acoustics.
post #7428 of 13486
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Originally Posted by MUPPPP View Post

Any input would be much appreciated.
Also, what is the consensus for the best mount for these 65inchers? I'm wanting a flat immobile mount for the main floor and a swivel mount for the basement.
I was half way there with the windows, had windows on the side though >>> Click Here . When a plasma was up, no real issues. LED would do a little better, but not by much. People can say what they want, in a bright room, good luck finding a TV and be 100% happy.

Our shades, where expensive wink.gif
post #7429 of 13486
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post


So I looked at mine without a camera. I'd say it looks a lot like Joel's. There's a leading edge and a trailing edge. It seems the same to me, but I didn't take a high-res shot to confirm it's truly identical
Thanks for the time it took to do this Rogo. Hmmm, I am getting happier by the minute. And as you said, the more content I try, the more I DON'T notice anything wrong really... So yea, guess I'm cool ? lol
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

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Originally Posted by MUPPPP View Post

I am moving in to a new house soon. I bought a 65" VT 50 recently (which is great, btw) for my man cave and a now I am having a 65" ST50 delivered for my main floor living room. I'm wondering if I need to change the plan and move the VT50 upstairs and the ST50 downstairs b/c of the lighting conditions. .

Personally, I would put the vt in the man cave for critical viewing and get a led LCD for the bright room. It seems a shame to have a beautiful room with big windows only to pull the shades to watch tv smile.gif Just my worthless 2c

That is EXACTLY what I would do too. No reason to do anything different. Kind of a no brainer on that one. You need the Plasma in a DARKER room. Period. Believe me, or you will be pissed at yourself for not doing it that way. Also, from the way it sounds, you will be watching more "critical stuff" down there in Tha Cave. Hence yet another reason to put the VT50 down there.

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Originally Posted by Xenfernox View Post

Ive only had this TV for a couple days now and its my first plasma. I have a question about what i understand is judder.

On the Avengers movie when the group shot circle pan's on the group shot in the new york battle the heads of the actors seem to tear.

I have tried all combinations of settings of motion smoother and 48 ,60 and 96Hz . (all other image enhancers are turned off)

Is this just the norm and something to live with?

Wow, this sucks ! I haven't seen this yet with any other content, though I haven't watched The Avengers through it yet, BUT ironically enough, I just got my Avengers BD from Amazon today... HA ! SO I will take it to my moms tomorrow and watch it. I'll keep you posted. As if I see a issue, I will spend all day trying to fix it. She has a Oppo BDP-93 (like me) and if needed, I'll try a array of combinations to figure it out.
post #7430 of 13486
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Pics of Trails when running the Scroller (CLICK ON THEM FOR FULL SIZE IMAGE):
Joel,

The random darker pixels near the leading edge of the scroll bar are due to something called "discharge delay" and "discharge probability". When plasma pixels have been off (i.e. - black) for too long they have a tough time turning back on. The time it takes to turn them on becomes longer and more random. This is the same phenomenon as white fluorescent tube lights taking a little longer to turn on after they have been sitting off for too long.

A more technical explanation is that plasma pixels and fluorescent light bulbs require seed electrons to help initiate gas discharge in a quick predictable time. These seed electrons are emitted into the discharge space after the pixel or light is powered down. These electrons are called priming electrons ( i.e. - exoelectons ). But if the pixel or light is powerd down for too long the priming electrons dissipate and it will have trouble turning back on quickly when asked to.

Is this normal? Well I'm not sure since I don't own this particular set. There is someting called the "voltage margin" of the display which is very important in determining how pixels are controlled reliably. At best, your set is operating normally. At worst IMO, the voltages that make up this voltage margin may need slight adjustment.
post #7431 of 13486
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Originally Posted by xrox View Post

Joel,

The random darker pixels near the leading edge of the scroll bar are due to something called "discharge delay" and "discharge probability". When plasma pixels have been off (i.e. - black) for too long they have a tough time turning back on. The time it takes to turn them on becomes longer and more random. This is the same phenomenon as white fluorescent tube lights taking a little longer to turn on after they have been sitting off for too long.

A more technical explanation is that plasma pixels and fluorescent light bulbs require seed electrons to help initiate gas discharge in a quick predictable time. These seed electrons are emitted into the discharge space after the pixel or light is powered down. These electrons are called priming electrons ( i.e. - exoelectons ). But if the pixel or light is powerd down for too long the priming electrons dissipate and it will have trouble turning back on quickly when asked to.

Is this normal? Well I'm not sure since I don't own this particular set. There is someting called the "voltage margin" of the display which is very important in determining how pixels are controlled reliably. At best, your set is operating normally. At worst IMO, the voltages that make up this voltage margin may need slight adjustment.

Thanks xrox for this technical and very informative answer to this. I guess I am getting rested at ease that this is possible normal (at least for this set), and still have yet to see it damage a movie or any content I'm watching on it.

Time will tell I guess. Anyway, thanks again.
post #7432 of 13486
After an internal struggle over the last year as to whether I should fill the spot on my wall once occupied by my Pioneer Elite (moved from my basement to upstairs living room) with a Sharp Elite or hold my breath that one day OLED technology would made more affordable. Well after a year of back-and-forth I could not really come to the realization the Sharp is worth the asking price, Well just recently I stumbled upon the VT50! After lots of research I decided this was the best offering on the market bar-none and will provide a picture that is superior to my older Elite plasma, so yesterday I pulled the trigger on the 65"!

A big thanks to Chris at Clevland Plasma for my making my transaction a smooth one. The TV is set to arrive sometime next week and I cannot wait.
Edited by cssnms - 11/3/12 at 5:34am
post #7433 of 13486
I'm struggling with feeling that the picture on my 65vt50 looks soft, esp. many cable channels. Even hdnet movies, which is normally excellent, looks rather soft.

Maybe I'm just ruined by years of watching a razor sharp Bravia LCD, but when I compare the vt to even a Samsung plasma at the store ( never mind the sharp Elite or Sony HX) it looks the softest. I got the remote and put the vt through various modes. It looks softer on the Sharp Elite demo loop, and softer on cable. (actually, on cable, the vt looks like the worst tv among the elites (small e). I know all the caveats, bright room, signal split a hundred ways, etc -- but the other sets dealt with the same much better. Fortunately, it looks much better at home with fios tv, except for the softness and motion blur I see on many shows and channels, and I can't shake the feeling it should be cleaner and sharper .

I search softness in this thread, and there's quite a few complaints, with a couple of people denying there's any softness problem. The semi concensus seems to be the set doesn't handle less than pristine source well, but blu rays are great.

The assumption seems to be cable/sat is the problem, but blurays are fine. My question is, how do people know blurays aren't softened by this set also, via whatever filters Panny is using.
post #7434 of 13486
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I'm struggling with feeling that the picture on my 65vt50 looks soft, esp. many cable channels. Even hdnet movies, which is normally excellent, looks rather soft.

Maybe I'm just ruined by years of watching a razor sharp Bravia LCD, but when I compare the vt to even a Samsung plasma at the store ( never mind the sharp Elite or Sony HX) it looks the softest.
Even with the default sharpness setting (which is still way too high), the VT50 isn't as "sharp" as some LCDs. This is a good thing.

Instead, the VT50 is incredibly accurate, and pretty much delivers the picture that it receives. HDNet Movies is a good example, in that I was amazed by how much film grain is retained by the VT50 (and equally amazed by the fact that the encoder used for the channel also retained that grain). Grain will tend to make a picture look somewhat soft, unless you apply DNR (a temporal smoother would be most effective) and then sharpen, which is likely what other TVs you mention are doing.

Recently, I've seen the same effect when comparing a Blu-Ray to the DVD. I reduced the size of both so they could fit on the computer screen together, and the DVD looked much "sharper" than the Blu-Ray. This is because it had edge-enhancement and other fake "sharpening" applied. When blown up to full screen, the Blu-Ray always looked better, though, because it was in reality the more accurate picture.

I'll take the accuracy of the VT50, even if it does cause issues in that some sources don't look "sharp".
post #7435 of 13486
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Thanks for the time it took to do this Rogo. Hmmm, I am getting happier by the minute. And as you said, the more content I try, the more I DON'T notice anything wrong really... So yea, guess I'm cool ? lol

For me, the only weaknesses of the TV are entirely synthetic.

For example, I notice it's not white on all-white commercial backgrounds. I mean it's obvious. And it's irrelevant for all real content.

I notice that bad sources are not great looking at 65 inches. I don't really want an enhancer to fix this, but some choose one.

I am aware that in bright sunlight, I can't have 100% of my picture quality. That said, I watched my Stanford game today with no curtains (we had our sliding door replaced) and the picture looked pretty darn good.
post #7436 of 13486
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I'm struggling with feeling that the picture on my 65vt50 looks soft, esp. many cable channels. Even hdnet movies, which is normally excellent, looks rather soft.
Maybe I'm just ruined by years of watching a razor sharp Bravia LCD, but when I compare the vt to even a Samsung plasma at the store ( never mind the sharp Elite or Sony HX) it looks the softest. I got the remote and put the vt through various modes. It looks softer on the Sharp Elite demo loop, and softer on cable. (actually, on cable, the vt looks like the worst tv among the elites (small e). I know all the caveats, bright room, signal split a hundred ways, etc -- but the other sets dealt with the same much better. Fortunately, it looks much better at home with fios tv, except for the softness and motion blur I see on many shows and channels, and I can't shake the feeling it should be cleaner and sharper .
I search softness in this thread, and there's quite a few complaints, with a couple of people denying there's any softness problem. The semi concensus seems to be the set doesn't handle less than pristine source well, but blu rays are great.
The assumption seems to be cable/sat is the problem, but blurays are fine. My question is, how do people know blurays aren't softened by this set also, via whatever filters Panny is using.

I think you are use to heavy edge enhancement of the picture. If you put the VT50 next to other TVs, and compare actual rendered resolution, the VT50 actually matches or comes out on top. With the VT50 you are seeing more of what is actually being displayed.

Just like there are some people who like the pumped up brightness and colors of LCD, and some people actually like the Soap Opera Effect, you may be someone who likes heavy edge enhancement processing. You could try jacking up the sharpness on the VT50.

Michael
post #7437 of 13486
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I'm struggling with feeling that the picture on my 65vt50 looks soft, esp. many cable channels. Even hdnet movies, which is normally excellent, looks rather soft.
Maybe I'm just ruined by years of watching a razor sharp Bravia LCD, but when I compare the vt to even a Samsung plasma at the store ( never mind the sharp Elite or Sony HX) it looks the softest. I got the remote and put the vt through various modes. It looks softer on the Sharp Elite demo loop, and softer on cable. (actually, on cable, the vt looks like the worst tv among the elites (small e). I know all the caveats, bright room, signal split a hundred ways, etc -- but the other sets dealt with the same much better. Fortunately, it looks much better at home with fios tv, except for the softness and motion blur I see on many shows and channels, and I can't shake the feeling it should be cleaner and sharper .
I search softness in this thread, and there's quite a few complaints, with a couple of people denying there's any softness problem. The semi concensus seems to be the set doesn't handle less than pristine source well, but blu rays are great.
The assumption seems to be cable/sat is the problem, but blurays are fine. My question is, how do people know blurays aren't softened by this set also, via whatever filters Panny is using.

There really is no "softness" or lack of pop, sharpness,dull whites with the VT50. Were the problem lies is with the calibration and how things are setup.
Yes I can understand why some folks may say these things about the VT50, and to some degree it is true as rogo points out in his above post.. But I can say for sure with the right calibrations and supporting hardware all of the types of complaint's can be over come, and give you a display PQ that you have never seen before.
Barring a expensive calibration the VT50 does do a nice job with just out of the box settings and modes, The only other Tv that I have seen that was better at no so good source material was the old Kuro. And imo that's the only thing that the old Kuro did better than the new VT50's.

ss .
Edited by sillysally - 11/4/12 at 1:55am
post #7438 of 13486
Mine looks razor sharp to me. Also, I will repeat what other owners have said, it really does improve with age. Colors, detail, and dynamic range are all better than when the set was brand new.
post #7439 of 13486
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

Mine looks razor sharp to me. Also, I will repeat what other owners have said, it really does improve with age. Colors, detail, and dynamic range are all better than when the set was brand new.

It either improves with age, or we like it better the more time we have it. Either way, the result is the same.
post #7440 of 13486
Well the better fine detail and improved colors may be subjective, but not the dynamic range. My set no longer clips whites on the S&M disc like it did the first week I had it. Either way this TV rocks!biggrin.gif
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