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post #7591 of 13461
Does this set have burn in issues?


bob
post #7592 of 13461
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Does this set have burn in issues?
bob

No.

It really takes much longer for the the VT 50 (plasma's) to settle down than 100-200 hours.

There is only one reason to use "burn/brake in" slides and that is if you are going to have your set Calibrated, and need to age the TV quickly.

ss
post #7593 of 13461
Yes, you should look away immediately and never think about buying this tv again. Quickly, do it now, turn away!
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Eeek gosh I am about to pull the trigger on this but that silver trim is so hideous I'm not sure I will be able to get used to it or learn to like it..
post #7594 of 13461
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

Hi all,
any suggestion on a TV stand for the 65VT50 ? I'm not talking about the TV stand it comes with, I'm looking for suggestions for a bigger piece of furniture TV stand to put the TV on...
Looked at Panasonics site, there's nothing...
Thanks.
- M

I have mine on a Bello PR-11. Just enough room in the stand for my AV Gear, and the top of the stand is more than deep enough for the base of the stand.
post #7595 of 13461
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Does this set have burn in issues?


bob

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Does this set have burn in issues?
bob

No.

It really takes much longer for the the VT 50 (plasma's) to settle down than 100-200 hours.

There is only one reason to use "burn/brake in" slides and that is if you are going to have your set Calibrated, and need to age the TV quickly.

ss

I don't know about just blatantly being able to say "No". Read a few of my earlier posts in this thread. I am surprised how quickly you can get IR on Plasmas, and then COUPLE that with I am surprised about how long it takes to go away. Long story short - My mom watched 1 hour of The History Channel, and we got the worse IR of its logo we've seen so far with this set. It was noticeable on other normal content, etc.. Tried to just watch normal content to let it go away like so many other say on here. It wasn't working. Ran the scroller about 8-10 times, slightly better, but it only lasts 15 minutes and it needs a lot of this I can tell.

So I ran the slides over night, and the next day I could BARELY still see... ok cool. Then I ran the Pixel Flipper for about 4 hours, and it was 100% completely gone. COOL ! :-) All in all, I think the Pixel Flipper is the best choice. It exercises the pixels the best and therefore removes IR quicker.

Not done - The next day after that. I walk in, and check for IR from what my mom may have been watching... SURE ENOUGH I see something again... this time I clearly see it says "Encore HD" in a logo IR'ed in the corner of the screen - lol - So I went and asked my mom, hey, just so we know we aren't crazy, let me ask, and let me guess - Did you watch Encore recently ? Sure enough, she said yes. This proves it is not imagination, I was right in what I saw, and it proves it is serious enough to see and make out. Anyway, she says she only watched 1 movie on Encore, and the logo disappears and reappears at that. So the logo had a total time on of about 45 minutes... Noticeable IR in 45min !!!

Ran the Pixel Flipper this time, no slides, no scroller.... it was gone in 4 hours.

Ok, so the moral to this story is -- Lets do the math. SURE its only IR, but thats ONLY cause I caught it in time and erased it in time. The long run problem is my mom loves to watch these channels, period. They ALL have them logos on them. The math is, it takes sometimes 48hrs to erase 1 hours worth of viewing. This can easily compound if not erased every time BEFORE watching that same channel again, and if your lazy and in that habit, man, this could turn into BI easily. Thats my point. This is indeed a real issue. Why should we always have to make sure to "erase" what we caused before we watch it again. Slowly I could see this turning into a issue of BI for sure.

Now -- to be clear though, that does not mean "this TV has a issue with BI", it really is Plasmas in general, not this TV. I am sure this TV is just acting like a normal Plasma... and it just happens to also look the best. So IF you go Plasma, this is the TV to get... bar none. Just be warned by a owner, the hype of people saying BI is not a issue is not true. It happens, and now I know it can happen easier than people think.

Again, the time it takes to erase IR is drastically longer than the time it takes to get it. So if not tended to correctly, I could see a compounding problem slowly causing BI over time without the average person noticing it IF their viewing habits happen to cater to it like my moms do. = If you watch more than 2 hours a day of them "logo channels" or playing games with fixed health meters, HUD's etc.. then you better erase the IR before you repeat. Or I could see BI happening within a year or less on compounding IR interest.

All this said, it is annoying my mom so bad, she has decided to take her TV back and trade it in for a XBR950. BUT since she got the 4 Year warranty and like this TV so much, I talked her into waiting and we now are ignoring any and all IR we get. And she now just lives her TV life as she wants with no worries. If she doesn't get BI by doing this, then GREAT, she'll keep the set. But if she does, then we will return it. As BB Extended Warranty does cover BI and for the whole 4 Year period ! So I will keep you all posted on this, as I am trying to be fair as possible to this great looking TV. But so far, the IR is really annoying. And like I said, I can not see how if ignored, it won't eventually turn to BI if per chance the same thing that IR'ed the current most recent IR is watched again for the same length of time BEFORE the previous IR from it was erased. But we will see.
post #7596 of 13461
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

I don't know about just blatantly being able to say "No". Read a few of my earlier posts in this thread. I am surprised how quickly you can get IR on Plasmas, and then COUPLE that with I am surprised about how long it takes to go away. Long story short - My mom watched 1 hour of The History Channel, and we got the worse IR of its logo we've seen so far with this set. It was noticeable on other normal content, etc.. Tried to just watch normal content to let it go away like so many other say on here. It wasn't working. Ran the scroller about 8-10 times, slightly better, but it only lasts 15 minutes and it needs a lot of this I can tell.
So I ran the slides over night, and the next day I could BARELY still see... ok cool. Then I ran the Pixel Flipper for about 4 hours, and it was 100% completely gone. COOL ! :-) All in all, I think the Pixel Flipper is the best choice. It exercises the pixels the best and therefore removes IR quicker.
Not done - The next day after that. I walk in, and check for IR from what my mom may have been watching... SURE ENOUGH I see something again... this time I clearly see it says "Encore HD" in a logo IR'ed in the corner of the screen - lol - So I went and asked my mom, hey, just so we know we aren't crazy, let me ask, and let me guess - Did you watch Encore recently ? Sure enough, she said yes. This proves it is not imagination, I was right in what I saw, and it proves it is serious enough to see and make out. Anyway, she says she only watched 1 movie on Encore, and the logo disappears and reappears at that. So the logo had a total time on of about 45 minutes... Noticeable IR in 45min !!!
Ran the Pixel Flipper this time, no slides, no scroller.... it was gone in 4 hours.
Ok, so the moral to this story is -- Lets do the math. SURE its only IR, but thats ONLY cause I caught it in time and erased it in time. The long run problem is my mom loves to watch these channels, period. They ALL have them logos on them. The math is, it takes sometimes 48hrs to erase 1 hours worth of viewing. This can easily compound if not erased every time BEFORE watching that same channel again, and if your lazy and in that habit, man, this could turn into BI easily. Thats my point. This is indeed a real issue. Why should we always have to make sure to "erase" what we caused before we watch it again. Slowly I could see this turning into a issue of BI for sure.
Now -- to be clear though, that does not mean "this TV has a issue with BI", it really is Plasmas in general, not this TV. I am sure this TV is just acting like a normal Plasma... and it just happens to also look the best. So IF you go Plasma, this is the TV to get... bar none. Just be warned by a owner, the hype of people saying BI is not a issue is not true. It happens, and now I know it can happen easier than people think.
Again, the time it takes to erase IR is drastically longer than the time it takes to get it. So if not tended to correctly, I could see a compounding problem slowly causing BI over time without the average person noticing it IF their viewing habits happen to cater to it like my moms do. = If you watch more than 2 hours a day of them "logo channels" or playing games with fixed health meters, HUD's etc.. then you better erase the IR before you repeat. Or I could see BI happening within a year or less on compounding IR interest.
All this said, it is annoying my mom so bad, she has decided to take her TV back and trade it in for a XBR950. BUT since she got the 4 Year warranty and like this TV so much, I talked her into waiting and we now are ignoring any and all IR we get. And she now just lives her TV life as she wants with no worries. If she doesn't get BI by doing this, then GREAT, she'll keep the set. But if she does, then we will return it. As BB Extended Warranty does cover BI and for the whole 4 Year period ! So I will keep you all posted on this, as I am trying to be fair as possible to this great looking TV. But so far, the IR is really annoying. And like I said, I can not see how if ignored, it won't eventually turn to BI if per chance the same thing that IR'ed the current most recent IR is watched again for the same length of time BEFORE the previous IR from it was erased. But we will see.

Sorry this is happening to you, But we're the other side of the coin. We haven't seen a bit of IR. We watch a wide range of content including 4:3, letterboxed movies, the History Channel, sports channels with logos and tickers etc..Nothing.

Started the TV on THX Bright Room, now have it on custom settings.
post #7597 of 13461
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

I don't know about just blatantly being able to say "No". Read a few of my earlier posts in this thread..

Reread my post. I am talking about burn/brake in, NOT IR (image retention).

As far as IR, I have talked about how to minimize IR (image retention) on are VT50's. If your interested start reading my post about IR (image retention).

There is no reason for me reading your post's because I know were you are coming from. Matter of fact the only part of your post I read is what I didn't snip, and the only reason why I am replying to your post is to correct your error that is concerning my post.

ss
post #7598 of 13461
When I got this TV, I picked up a couple of the Panasonic active shutter 3D glasses, which normally run around $49.00. I'd like to purchase a few more for those occasional times when friends or family stop by to watch a 3D movie. However, I really don't want to plunk down $200 to $300 for 4 to 6 more pairs of glasses. Is there a less expensive alternative to the Panasonic brand glasses? I know there are real cheap ones out there, but the reviews I've read on those are bad; hence my asking if anyone here has positive experiences with high quality alternatives that aren't as costly.
post #7599 of 13461
The Samsung glasses work perfectly, both the rechargable type and the battery type. The Samsung glasses are the ones designed for D, E and ES series (2011/2012 ?). The least expensive are the battery ones.. They are cheap as dirt plastic ones but the 3D still looks great.

I tested them all last night on my VT50.

1000
post #7600 of 13461
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Originally Posted by Lord Vader View Post

When I got this TV, I picked up a couple of the Panasonic active shutter 3D glasses, which normally run around $49.00. I'd like to purchase a few more for those occasional times when friends or family stop by to watch a 3D movie. However, I really don't want to plunk down $200 to $300 for 4 to 6 more pairs of glasses. Is there a less expensive alternative to the Panasonic brand glasses? I know there are real cheap ones out there, but the reviews I've read on those are bad; hence my asking if anyone here has positive experiences with high quality alternatives that aren't as costly.

You can use the cheap Samsung ones, my client was using them on his VT50 I calibrated last weekend.

Search for Samsung 2012 3D glasses on Amazon. They are under $20 each.
post #7601 of 13461
Thanks for your input, gentlemen.
post #7602 of 13461
In fact, the cheap Samsung ones are the most comfortable .. Very light and don't hurt you ears.
post #7603 of 13461
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Sorry this is happening to you, But we're the other side of the coin. We haven't seen a bit of IR. We watch a wide range of content including 4:3, letterboxed movies, the History Channel, sports channels with logos and tickers etc..Nothing.

Started the TV on THX Bright Room, now have it on custom settings.

Wow ! Watching the history channel too aye ? I am truly jealous. It is my moms (and my) favorite channel. With my breakdown, I am almost certain it will lead to BI for us personally. Anyway, I am happy that some seem to experience no IR/BI even on these channels. Wondering what could cause the difference ? Are you sure about this ? Are you guys pretty visually acute ? And during white screen areas in the corner of question of some other normal content, you don't see faint "watermark" like looking things that resemble the last stations logo ?

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post


Reread my post. I am talking about burn/brake in, NOT IR (image retention).

As far as IR, I have talked about how to minimize IR (image retention) on are VT50's. If your interested start reading my post about IR (image retention).

There is no reason for me reading your post's because I know were you are coming from. Matter of fact the only part of your post I read is what I didn't snip, and the only reason why I am replying to your post is to correct your error that is concerning my post.

ss

Well the rest of my post was mathematically explaining why IR can lead to BI pending on time and viewing habits of the owner. The posters question in which we were originally answering asking if the TV had BI issues. You said no, I say it is possible, and a lot more easily than some of the nay sayers are saying. Thats my only point. Hence my statement... I believe "possibly" and "maybe" would be better answers for him than "no". Cause all Plasmas have IR and BI issues. Again, because if not tended to, IR will turn into BI. Cause its hard to take 6-12 hours to erase IR that was made in 1 hour of viewing. The simple calculation of life/viewing habits, etc.. adds up to BI down the road if you ask me. The moment you didn't have time to erase the IR and then began watching the same channel the next day the IR will just get deeper... then it will take days to erase the compounded IR. This now is even harder to do before you want to watch the same channel again. So you watch it again, ... so on and so on... = BI one day.

I don't know about some of you, but I can't expect my mom to keep leaving her TV on every night just to erase what she watched the that day. It get ridiculous, and this is what we've had to do.

Can't and will not change our settings... we finally got them to look normal. (Toppers Night Settings with brightness +10 = perfect for us and looks GREAT !) - That puts our brightness at 64 and our contrast at 82. I do not believe that is too much, and if it is, then this TV is not for us. Cause this is the only setting that looks good.

We were careful with the set for the first 200+ hours, and did not have the brightness above 50 for that whole time. We just used one of the dark default settings.. So we did everything we could right and are currently doing it right. I don't feel like we are using outrageous settings or anything.
post #7604 of 13461
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Originally Posted by englechgc View Post

I know the vt50 has superior pq to the es8000 but inferior smart tv features. I was wondering if I could get someone who has experience with both's opinion on which would be better to buy.1.gif



What smart features are you saying that the es8000 has that the VT50 doesn't.
post #7605 of 13461
I can chime in here. I have the 65" VT50 and my father has the 64" ES8000. The menus related to Smart TV are easier to navigate on the Samsungs. If you plan to spend 80% of your time on the Smart TV features then the Samsung is a good panel. However, if you want picture quality, the VT50 demolishes the Samsung. The VT50 PQ is on par with my 60" Kuro and in mayn ways is better. The pana black levels are better and the calibration options enable you to achieve superior PQ over the Samsung readily. To me, the Samsung looks very, very good. The Pana looks sublime.

1000
post #7606 of 13461
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

Hi all,
any suggestion on a TV stand for the 65VT50 ? I'm not talking about the TV stand it comes with, I'm looking for suggestions for a bigger piece of furniture TV stand to put the TV on...
Looked at Panasonics site, there's nothing...
Thanks.
- M

I'n in the same boat. So far have ones from BB that are running ~$1600!?!?! No way I want to pay that.
Local furniturre stores had nothing we wanted (3 sections below, glass doors on outer, center available for speaker).
There are a few on Amazon in the $250-400 range that show dimensions.
Also: http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/av-foundations/av-java/JFV60
post #7607 of 13461
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Originally Posted by 19redwings View Post

I'n in the same boat. So far have ones from BB that are running ~$1600!?!?! No way I want to pay that.
Local furniturre stores had nothing we wanted (3 sections below, glass doors on outer, center available for speaker).
There are a few on Amazon in the $250-400 range that show dimensions.
Also: http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/av-foundations/av-java/JFV60

I have that stand and really like the look of it. I had a 50" Kuro on it but mounted the TV above it a few months ago. My Paradigm CC-590 center speaker wouldn't fit underneath the stand but I have it sitting on the top since the TV is on the wall. I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me but it almost looks like the stand bowed a little from the weight of the TV. I don't think most stands are intended to hold that much weight. I think it looks much better with the TV on the wall though. I would recommend going that route.
post #7608 of 13461
Thanks. I have continued to run slides at night and day, 12-13 hours at a time, and the discoloraton/lack of uniformity does not change. I presume that a uniform screen would show the same brightness/hue/shade/color throughout, versus what I am seeing. I did not know if the picture settings would cause or affect what I am experiencing. Sounds like I need to get another set, which is too bad, because I am not experiencing any of the other pitfalls, buzzing, banding, IR, etc...

Also curious as to what BB or Panny does with all of the sets that have been returned to them from previous customers with complaints about defects... I presume they are repackaged and shipped out to other unsuspecting or non-discriminating customers.... ?
post #7609 of 13461
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

I have that stand and really like the look of it. I had a 50" Kuro on it but mounted the TV above it a few months ago. My Paradigm CC-590 center speaker wouldn't fit underneath the stand but I have it sitting on the top since the TV is on the wall. I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me but it almost looks like the stand bowed a little from the weight of the TV. I don't think most stands are intended to hold that much weight. I think it looks much better with the TV on the wall though. I would recommend going that route.

Thanks for the response. My problem is that the wall it would be mountted on is a 'line of sight' wall when walking from kitchen to FR. So, you will always see the gap behind the TV.

I have seen that this stand can bracket mount a TV: http://www.sanus.com/us/en/fms
post #7610 of 13461
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Originally Posted by 19redwings View Post

Thanks for the response. My problem is that the wall it would be mountted on is a 'line of sight' wall when walking from kitchen to FR. So, you will always see the gap behind the TV.

As opposed to the the gap between the back of the tv and the wall if it is just sitting on the stand? Am I missing something? Doesn't seem any different :P
post #7611 of 13461
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Originally Posted by englechgc View Post

I know the vt50 has superior pq to the es8000 but inferior smart tv features. I was wondering if I could get someone who has experience with both's opinion on which would be better to buy.1.gif

You know this? There is no empirical evidence that one is a better picture than the other. They are both excellent and there are fans of both.
post #7612 of 13461
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Wow ! Watching the history channel too aye ? I am truly jealous. It is my moms (and my) favorite channel. With my breakdown, I am almost certain it will lead to BI for us personally. Anyway, I am happy that some seem to experience no IR/BI even on these channels. Wondering what could cause the difference ? Are you sure about this ? Are you guys pretty visually acute ? And during white screen areas in the corner of question of some other normal content, you don't see faint "watermark" like looking things that resemble the last stations logo ?

Nothing. I wouldn't post if I wasn't sure.
post #7613 of 13461
I'm going to receive a 65inch vt50. Do I need to worry about my unshielded sub?
post #7614 of 13461
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Originally Posted by jmcnatt View Post

I'm going to receive a 65inch vt50. Do I need to worry about my unshielded sub?
Not unless you're planning on sitting the TV on the sub or vice-versa. There won't be any problem with the speaker magnet, it would be the vibration or the weight. wink.gif
post #7615 of 13461
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

You know this? There is no empirical evidence that one is a better picture than the other. They are both excellent and there are fans of both.

MLL (minimum light level, black level) is darker on the Panasonics. MLL is the leading determiner of contrast ratio and contrast ratio is the number one parameter of "good picture quality". Deep blacks, contrast ratio, is the first thing noticed. It puts the "wow" into a display. Think Kuro, think Sharp Elite. The Panasonic is better than the Samsung in this department.
post #7616 of 13461
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Wow ! Watching the history channel too aye ? I am truly jealous. It is my moms (and my) favorite channel. With my breakdown, I am almost certain it will lead to BI for us personally. Anyway, I am happy that some seem to experience no IR/BI even on these channels. Wondering what could cause the difference ? Are you sure about this ? Are you guys pretty visually acute ? And during white screen areas in the corner of question of some other normal content, you don't see faint "watermark" like looking things that resemble the last stations logo ?

Nothing. I wouldn't post if I wasn't sure.

Figured as much. Thanks for verifying. Now you got me wondering if possibly this situation is a panel by panel thing ? Or do the channels maybe have different logos in different regions/states ? Cause here in San Francisco, CA The History Channel has this fully bright, full color absolutely no transparency logo. Unlike some of the other stations that have their logos slightly grayed out, transparent by about 50% and not in color. Or some have them disappear for 5 minutes, then come back for 5 minutes, etc.. Well The History Channel is like I said and also on 100% of the time.

Is The History Channel's logo like that for your too ? We are using Comcast. But I am sure the logos are channel broadcast related and not provider related. Also, do you watch it for a full hour or plus, and then maybe turn off your tv and then next time it is one watch that same channel again ? Also, if you don't mind me asking, what is your settings at ? Just brightness and contrast.
post #7617 of 13461
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Figured as much. Thanks for verifying. Now you got me wondering if possibly this situation is a panel by panel thing ? Or do the channels maybe have different logos in different regions/states ? Cause here in San Francisco, CA The History Channel has this fully bright, full color absolutely no transparency logo. Unlike some of the other stations that have their logos slightly grayed out, transparent by about 50% and not in color. Or some have them disappear for 5 minutes, then come back for 5 minutes, etc.. Well The History Channel is like I said and also on 100% of the time.
Is The History Channel's logo like that for your too ? We are using Comcast. But I am sure the logos are channel broadcast related and not provider related. Also, do you watch it for a full hour or plus, and then maybe turn off your tv and then next time it is one watch that same channel again ? Also, if you don't mind me asking, what is your settings at ? Just brightness and contrast.

All logos come from the broadcaster, not the cable/satellite provider. The History Channel logo will be the same on Comcast, Dish, DirecTV, U-verse, Fios, Cox, TWC, etc. etc. etc.
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SURE its only IR, but thats ONLY cause I caught it in time and erased it in time. The long run problem is my mom loves to watch these channels, period. They ALL have them logos on them. The math is, it takes sometimes 48hrs to erase 1 hours worth of viewing. This can easily compound if not erased every time BEFORE watching that same channel again, and if your lazy and in that habit, man, this could turn into BI easily

That's just not true.

Burn-in is permanent damage. It's wear the phosphors are literally worn out in a differentiated pattern so you can't get rid of the burned-in image no matter what you do. You're mistaken in believing that you have to "catch" the image retention before it becomes permanent. It just doesn't work that way.

The phosphor life is too long to be realistically burned in on these plasmas.

OK, now, that said, anyone still worrying about this in 2012 needs to just go buy an LCD. Anyone running their pixel flipper or scrolling bar regularly should buy an LCD. All that behavior is basically pointless and if you feel like it's necessary, you should just get an LCD and stop being so OCD.
post #7618 of 13461
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

MLL (minimum light level, black level) is darker on the Panasonics. MLL is the leading determiner of contrast ratio and contrast ratio is the number one parameter of "good picture quality". Deep blacks, contrast ratio, is the first thing noticed. It puts the "wow" into a display. Think Kuro, think Sharp Elite. The Panasonic is better than the Samsung in this department.

Makes perfect sense. I truly enjoyed viewing the VT50 at Magnolia, but my ISF guy is telling me to go Samsung. I have read that Samsungs have more detail and "pop" (how's that for subjective!). However, my number 1 reason for going from LED to Plasma is for deep blacks and the best off axis viewing. I think the VT50 is my best bet as I will quickly notice any deficiency in black levels. Magnolia demo'd The Dark Knight for me on the 65" VT50 and I loved it (I've watched the first 15 minutes many times on my LED (Samsung UN60D7000)
post #7619 of 13461
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Thank you, I really needed this info.wink.gif. The tv's is going to be delivered any minute and I need to have my equipment set up appropriately.biggrin.gif
post #7620 of 13461
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

As opposed to the the gap between the back of the tv and the wall if it is just sitting on the stand? Am I missing something? Doesn't seem any different :P

Line of sight into FR has the TV sitting between two NHT tower speakers. The TV is in line with the speakers and the backs of the speakers sit about 6" from the wall.

If I mounted the TV on the wall, it would be between the backs of the speakers and the wall "sight line" wise and you would see the bracket and space in back. Would just not work for my home.
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