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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Wi-Fi Spy is correct here. Grab the AVS709 disc and use it to check the brightness setting, After I finally got my calibration right, I had to drop my brightness another 2 notches or so to get the blacks back to what the AVS709 disc said was correct.

Well Wi-Fi spy is not actually correct when it comes to "dancing pixels" in the gray bars on are VT50's, if you are right on-top of your screen. You see see some gray pixel movement in the two bars, of-course that is saying you have a direct unencumbered signal coming from your BD player to your screen. The better disc (but its not free) is Spears and Munsil for checking up on what is really going on in your VT50.
Edit Clarification: after reading WiFispy's actual post he is correct to a degree. The top and bottom bars still should be black but a more faded black if the contrast is set to high, not gray. I was responding to your post, what through me off is that you are talking about the vertical bars in a calibration disc for checking brightness and that is what I was responding to. Not the horizontal bars on the top and bottom that WiFispy was responding to. Sorry for the confusion.

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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Is anyone using any kind of HDMI adapters (90 degree?) to run the HDMI cable behind the TV since the ports are right on the side of the TV? I was curious what other people were using to help prevent the cable from showing or putting excessive stress on the cable if mounted on the wall and needing to bend the cable out of sight. Thanks!

If its not 98% necessary don't use any adapters, splinters or the like in any of your video or audio chain.

ss
Edited by sillysally - 11/29/12 at 10:40am
post #7862 of 13486
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

If its not 98% necessary don't use any adapters, splinters or the like in any of your video or audio chain.
ss

Do you have your VT mounted on the wall? How do you have your HDMI cables run and are they out of view?
Edited by Mac13 - 11/29/12 at 6:53am
post #7863 of 13486
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Well Wi-Fi spy is not actually correct when it comes to "dancing pixels" in the gray bars on are VT50's, if you are right on-top of your screen. You see see some gray pixel movement in the two bars, of-course that is saying you have a direct unencumbered signal coming from your BD player to your screen. The better disc (but its not free) is Spears and Munsil for checking up on what is really going on in your VT50.
If its not 98% necessary don't use any adapters, splinters or the like in any of your video or audio chain.
ss

Guess I better get the Spears and Muncil -- thanks to everyone for all your help. Much appreciated!!
post #7864 of 13486
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Originally Posted by IronManFan View Post

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Well Wi-Fi spy is not actually correct when it comes to "dancing pixels" in the gray bars on are VT50's, if you are right on-top of your screen. You see see some gray pixel movement in the two bars, of-course that is saying you have a direct unencumbered signal coming from your BD player to your screen. The better disc (but its not free) is Spears and Munsil for checking up on what is really going on in your VT50.
If its not 98% necessary don't use any adapters, splinters or the like in any of your video or audio chain.
ss

Guess I better get the Spears and Muncil -- thanks to everyone for all your help. Much appreciated!!
You should also tell your calibrator about what you're seeing. Since you haven't mentioned an AVS user name for him I assume that he's never been active here. How did you find him?
post #7865 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Thanks! I already have a long in wall rated HDMI cable (quite thick) so I think I will go the route of using the adapters. Those Redmere cables are nice but are pretty pricey. They aren't rated for in wall usage either are they?

When I purchased my Redmere cables the ultra slim were not available in black for my length so I went with the slim series and they are in-wall rated (Read on the slim series at the monoprice site. They are slightly thicker than the slim due to the required thicker jacket). As I said, these (slim and not ultra-slim) ones do not jut out at all.

That said, I am not looking for you to pull out your current cabling just for these. Without getting involved in the merits of the discussion regarding introducing potentially unwanted connections into the video chain (albeit digital) I put forward this link (the second photo):

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1325398/official-panasonic-gt30-series-discussion-thread-no-price-talk/0_60#post_20229742
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

When I purchased my Redmere cables the ultra slim were not available in black for my length so I went with the slim series and they are in-wall rated (Read on the slim series at the monoprice site. They are slightly thicker than the slim due to the required thicker jacket). As I said, these (slim and not ultra-slim) ones do not jut out at all.
That said, I am not looking for you to pull out your current cabling just for these. Without getting involved in the merits of the discussion regarding introducing potentially unwanted connections into the video chain (albeit digital) I put forward this link (the second photo):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1325398/official-panasonic-gt30-series-discussion-thread-no-price-talk/0_60#post_20229742

Thanks. Ya I would prefer to use the thinner Redmere but it is too late now haha. I would have a 30ft wasted HDMI cable sitting around if I got the Redmere. Since it is digital, if you aren't seeing any kind of obvious issues or artifacts I wouldn't think there would be any signal loss.
post #7867 of 13486
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Do you have your VT mounted on the wall? How do you have your HDMI cables run and are they out of view?

Wall mounted, cables for my VT50 and back light are run in the wall, yes they are out of sight.
I use a wall mount that has a tilt bracket, for two reasons.

1. A tilt bracket allows me to adjust the tilt (up/down) on the TV for optimum viewing angel in my reclining chair.
2. Better ventilation behind my TV, and easier access to connect cables and USB devices.

ss
post #7868 of 13486
I was using an Amazon Basics HDMI swivel adapter and it was in place while I had the ISF calibration done - no ill effects noted. It is now removed because I found I could gently bend the cable enough to do without it.
post #7869 of 13486
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

In my case I mostly view Blu Ray movies, so when ever I pause the movie and leave my man cave to do whatever for say 10 minutes or so I use the sweep. I use a Oppo BD player and the Oppo logo leaves IR on my screen, so by doing this simple thing I rid my VT50 of the Oppo's IR. wink.gif
Ideally I run the sweep before (45 minutes and then a full field movie for about 30 minutes or more) and after (15 minutes) I do a full ISF 3D LUT 125 point cube CMS and a 21 point gray scale calibration on my VT50.
ss

Would you say to run the scrolling bar after a 2 hour gaming session of like Call of Duty with a static HUD then? Also, is there any truth behind the wipe function being bad for the panel (lessening the life and bad for the pixels?)
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Would you say to run the scrolling bar after a 2 hour gaming session of like Call of Duty with a static HUD then? Also, is there any truth behind the wipe function being bad for the panel (lessening the life and bad for the pixels?)

If you are not seeing any problems after your gaming then I don't think I would bother.

No the wipe function is not bad for a plasma, most have a wipe function. No its not going to shorten the life span, no its not going to hurt the pixels, anymore than playing Call of Duty without the static HUD (saying Call of Duty covers the whole screen).

ss
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I would not run the "wipe function", which is more or less useless.

That said, it will not shorten the life of the plasma anymore than turning it on normally would.
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---- DANGERS OF WATCHING 3D ON A PLASMA ----

OMG !!! Never thought it could happen ! Rogo is gonna FLIP over this. I was watching my fist 3D movie on this Plasma.... Had to put it on pause, and went to the kitchen, then forgot.. came back WAY to late and a 3D still image was on for way too long - I now have 3D burn in !!!!

Somehow there is this image stuck in the middle of my living room !!! I literally bump into it ! WTF ? How is this even possible ? There is a burnt in stuck image between my TV and my couch about 4 feet off the ground !! And it won't go away. What am I to do ? It really gets in the way when we are vacuuming mad.gif

This is the danger of watching 3D content on a Plasma I guess eek.giftongue.gif

HA HA HA HA !!!! biggrin.gif -- LOL !!!!! biggrin.gif Crap ! Do they make a 3D Scrolling Bar for this ???? biggrin.gif
post #7873 of 13486
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post


I use a wall mount that has a tilt bracket, for two reasons.
1. A tilt bracket allows me to adjust the tilt (up/down) on the TV for optimum viewing angel in my reclining chair.
2. Better ventilation behind my TV, and easier access to connect cables and USB devices.
ss

Can I add a third reason that has worked for me? smile.gif

3. If there is a room light whose reflection is too prominent on the screen, by changing the angle of tilt you can move or eliminate the reflection with little or no change in picture quality.
post #7874 of 13486
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Originally Posted by stevel View Post

Yes, these TVs do support CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) over HDMI. I'd be astonished if the Darblet did this, but I suppose it's possible. I ran a Darblet on my VT50 for a week and saw no improvement on or off, so I returned it.
I think you can disable the CEC in the setup menus in case that is the issue. May be listed as some part of Viera Connect.

Can anyone confirm whether this HDMI control feature can be turned off? I tried going in and looking for it but didn't see anything. There's so many sub menus and everything else it would take awhile to go through each one. Really don't want to see MENU in the upper left corner.

Would really like to switch it off to see if it solves my Darblet issues before I try selling both of them.

Thanks again, still loving the TV but this one issue is driving me nuts.
post #7875 of 13486
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I would not run the "wipe function", which is more or less useless.
That said, it will not shorten the life of the plasma anymore than turning it on normally would.

It does appear from studies that some form of "white" is the best means of reducing image retention in the shortest time possible. The question is, is a lower level of full white (ie severely brightness limited) better than say the scrolling bar where the "white" is on screen for perhaps 35% of the time but less brightness limited (the scrolling bar white will still be brightness limited but less so than full screen white)?

Here is a study from 2008 which I believe xrox has in almost all probability seen (he appears in my browsing here to be the IR expert on this forum) and which discusses an example of "permanent" image sticking (this seems to be the preferred term in the studies) where they really hammered a plasma for 500 hours at an insane level and were able to remove the image retention with 100 hours of full white (but a full white which none of our plasmas can reach). An interesting read:

http://pde.knu.ac.kr/publication/recovery%20of%20boundary%20image%20sticking%20using%20aging%20discharge%20in%20AC%20plasma%20display%20panel.pdf

Only problem I have with this peer reviewed paper is they describe it as *permanent* image sticking but they were able to clear it so it was hardly permanent. That said they really hammered it with an image up to 1000 cd/m2 (291 fL!) in brightness. The full white was 175 cd/m2 (51 fL). That said, this paper has been cited I believe some 10 times in other papers. A good read and not that heavy a read (although I had to read it a couple of times to fully grasp it).
post #7876 of 13486
Bought the VT 50….Love it! Does anyone know of a company that sells a Black replacement trim kit for the silver bezel trim around the TV screen? Awesome picture…. but lately we have been getting a lot of reflections off the silver bezels from the side lights next to the TV. It’s starting to become very distracting. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

---- DANGERS OF WATCHING 3D ON A PLASMA ----
OMG !!! Never thought it could happen ! Rogo is gonna FLIP over this. I was watching my fist 3D movie on this Plasma.... Had to put it on pause, and went to the kitchen, then forgot.. came back WAY to late and a 3D still image was on for way too long - I now have 3D burn in !!!!
Somehow there is this image stuck in the middle of my living room !!! I literally bump into it ! WTF ? How is this even possible ? There is a burnt in stuck image between my TV and my couch about 4 feet off the ground !! And it won't go away. What am I to do ? It really gets in the way when we are vacuuming mad.gif
This is the danger of watching 3D content on a Plasma I guess eek.giftongue.gif
HA HA HA HA !!!! biggrin.gif -- LOL !!!!! biggrin.gif Crap ! Do they make a 3D Scrolling Bar for this ???? biggrin.gif

I can't tell if you're serious anymore or just trolling this thread...It's already at the point where people are having a hard time getting answers to real questions and now this.
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

---- DANGERS OF WATCHING 3D ON A PLASMA ----
OMG !!! Never thought it could happen ! Rogo is gonna FLIP over this. I was watching my fist 3D movie on this Plasma.... Had to put it on pause, and went to the kitchen, then forgot.. came back WAY to late and a 3D still image was on for way too long - I now have 3D burn in !!!!
Somehow there is this image stuck in the middle of my living room !!! I literally bump into it ! WTF ? How is this even possible ? There is a burnt in stuck image between my TV and my couch about 4 feet off the ground !! And it won't go away. What am I to do ? It really gets in the way when we are vacuuming mad.gif
This is the danger of watching 3D content on a Plasma I guess eek.giftongue.gif
HA HA HA HA !!!! biggrin.gif -- LOL !!!!! biggrin.gif Crap ! Do they make a 3D Scrolling Bar for this ???? biggrin.gif

I can't tell if you're serious anymore or just trolling this thread...It's already at the point where people are having a hard time getting answers to real questions and now this.

Ha ! Come on man, with all the laughter and smily faces -- and of course don't forget the fact that it is completely physically and dimensionally impossible !! -- lol - Geeez, the day humor can be considered as "trolling" is certainly a bad day indeed. Wow.

Also, with Rogo's name addressed in there, the humor is easily found due to the dynamics of our earlier conversations.... He believes nothing, whereas I believe too much.... Then I bring up 3D Burn in !! Ha !! Talk about Gold !!!
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All jokes aside though, I am having great results with the VT50 from just ignoring the IR like I said earlier (read earlier posts)... Its going great ! And to be honest, we notice the IR seems to be less and less stable when it does appear. Going away quicker and harder to get in the first place. So this is interesting IMO.

We are happy, actually so happy I had to post that funny post. Kinda making fun of me being so worried before.

On a serious note, has anyone done some real 3D Glasses test for this TV and come up with some solid verification of which 3D glasses are the absolute best to use for this particular TV ?
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Glasses discussion here.
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Originally Posted by Cls74 View Post

Can anyone confirm whether this HDMI control feature can be turned off? I tried going in and looking for it but didn't see anything.

Try this: Setup > Viera Link Settings > Viera Link > Off.
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Originally Posted by stevel View Post

Glasses discussion here.

Thanks stevel... Looks like there is slim pickings as far as choices for this TV. The Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU ones seem to be the best. Ordering 3 tonight.

I actually like it when there is not much to chose from... makes testing faster and therefore a conclusion faster. This TV seems to be narrowed down to 2 3D Glasses choices. Them Samsungs and these Pannys... Lots of others seemed to have tested, results are in, I'm choosing the Pano's

Thanks again for that link - it helped !

Anyone else have any more info on this ? Or possible reasons why to not buy the TY-ER3D4MU's ?
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Thanks stevel... Looks like there is slim pickings as far as choices for this TV. The Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU ones seem to be the best. Ordering 3 tonight.
I actually like it when there is not much to chose from... makes testing faster and therefore a conclusion faster. This TV seems to be narrowed down to 2 3D Glasses choices. Them Samsungs and these Pannys... Lots of others seemed to have tested, results are in, I'm choosing the Pano's
Thanks again for that link - it helped !
Anyone else have any more info on this ? Or possible reasons why to not buy the TY-ER3D4MU's ?

TY-ER3D4MU did the trick for me. Fairly comfortable too.
http://reviews.cnet.com/home-entertainment-accessories/panasonic-ty-er3d4mu/4505-7855_7-35171446.html
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Thanks stevel... Looks like there is slim pickings as far as choices for this TV. The Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU ones seem to be the best. Ordering 3 tonight.
I actually like it when there is not much to chose from... makes testing faster and therefore a conclusion faster. This TV seems to be narrowed down to 2 3D Glasses choices. Them Samsungs and these Pannys... Lots of others seemed to have tested, results are in, I'm choosing the Pano's
Thanks again for that link - it helped !
Anyone else have any more info on this ? Or possible reasons why to not buy the TY-ER3D4MU's ?

Ya just too bad the price has gone back up. They used to be like $50 but are now around $70 even at Amazon frown.gif

And I completely got your sarcastic 3D burn-in post. Kind of obvious...haha
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So....here was my first problem: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/7740#post_22614479

I exchanged the unit for another...on the second day, I noticed 2 dead pixels on white, grey, green and blue slides and some sort of light band which I searched out was the "Dirty Screen Effect"...

Do you guys have dead pixels..I've read many experiences where dead pixels are acceptable on plasmas..but one is dead center and the other middle upper right....should I exchange or keep it?

PS These dead pixels are black (No color)...I've tried pixel repair algorithms and screen wipes to no avail..
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I've recently purchased the 65VT50 (have around 200 hours) and have been using Katzmaier's settings from CNET as I thought this would be a good starting point. Unfortunately, any TV programming with dark areas is being badly crushed on this TV. Interestingly, when I went into the Gamma adjustment settings and changed them from his recommendation of 2.4 to a lower value I can finally see details in dark portions of the picture.

For example, the recent Julia Roberts fantasy movie Mirror Mirror was playing on a pay channel and at the start of the film there are two guys riding on horses. At the original Gamma adjustment of 2.4, the horses were black and I couldn't make out any hair on them. However, once I changed the setting to 1.8 or 2.0 I could finally see some hair on the horses and noticed that they were in fact brown horses!

Could this mean there is an issue with the plasma or the signal being fed from my cable provider? I understand there is variation in panels, but could there be this much variation that blacks would be so crushed?
Edited by Cipher - 11/29/12 at 11:28pm
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not sure if this has been mentioned before:

if you need analog audio out of the VT50 (e.g. for wireless headphones), u can buy a simple digital-to-analog converter, such as this one

Plug that into the digital audio out, turn off the TV speakers via the Menu > Audio > Advanced Audio > TV Speakers > Off

Unfortunately the volume is now not controllable via the remote anymore (my other TV has no problems with that), but you can control that on your headphones...

- M
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Off subject question, is there any Panasonic projector that can compete with overall picture quality of the vt50?
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I’m a new owner of a 65VT50 and would appreciate forum members’ opinion on an issue I encountered. I purchased the TV on Sunday and picked it up a couple of days ago. When i unboxed it, I found that the stand had a 1 inch gash and another small ding. Before contacting the seller, I wanted to first see whether there were any issues with the display itself. I checked the hours and confirmed that the TV is in fact new (had some doubts given the condition of the stand). I ran the slides and found no stuck pixels. There were also no vertical bands. There was a hum in a silent room, but I expect this to be a non-issue under normal viewing conditions.

As the stand appeared to be the only issue, I called up the seller and asked to have it replaced. They said the entire TV had to be replaced, not just the stand. Given the numerous issues owners have shared on this forum, I'm inclined to keep the TV instead of returning it for a new unit which may wind up having those issues. I feel like I received a really good deal pricewise, so I can live with the imperfections, especially since they are on the portion of the stand that is behind the display. My wife, on the other hand, thinks, regardless of price, any problems are unacceptable and would have me box the TV back up and drive it back to the seller.

Would you take the TV back and risk getting one with actual issues with the display? Also, is this something Panasonic itself could/should remedy?

Thanks.
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Is it possible to get Dolby 5.1 from the viera link apps with the audio return channel?

I tried the Amazon Instant Video app via HDMI 2 into my Onkyo 818 but I'm only getting 2 channel audio. I tired a number of movies I know are streamed in 5.1.
Thanks.
Edited by djn2004 - 11/30/12 at 12:55pm
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