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post #7981 of 13474
Today was supposed to be the first day with my new 65VT50, but it didn't turn out that way. I ordered the TV direct from Panasonic through via Corporate Perks. It arrived at the local office of the shipping carrier (NVC Logistics) on Friday. They finally called me yesterday afternoon to say it would be delivered today. I had to be at work today, so I left instructions with my wife about making the sure the TV was undamaged and functioned before accepting and signing for the delivery. She called me to tell me the delivery guys (third-party company) would not open the box or allow her to inspect the TV before signing for it and went so far as to claim they had instructions that the box was not to be opened before signing for it. She put me on the phone with the guy who repeated the same thing, then he walked out of the house with the TV stating "he wasn't going to take her s--t" and left. I immediately called Panasonic and they told me I was absolutely allowed to inspect the TV before signing for it and after putting me on hold, they said the TV would be re-delivered today. I then spoke to NVC, who also confirmed I could inspect the TV (though the delivery guys weren't permitted to open the box) before accepting it. They also said the TV would be re-delivered today. Of course, it wasn't re-delivered, and when I called them to find out what was going on, I was told that the local office was closed and I would have to wait until tomorrow for someone to call me back. I'm not going to bad-mouth Panasonic or NVC - the people I spoke to at both places were very nice and tried to help, but they are responsible for using uninformed third-party delivery companies who try to force you to sign for an expensive item without being able to inspect it first. I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow.
post #7982 of 13474
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Originally Posted by DWBoston View Post

She called me to tell me the delivery guys (third-party company) would not open the box or allow her to inspect the TV before signing for it and went so far as to claim they had instructions that the box was not to be opened before signing for it. etc.

Anyone accepting those conditions deserves the consequences. Tell the delivery boys you want to buy them a beer, flash a 20 to ensure the TV is on it's stand and operating properly, then sign for delivery - has worked every time for me. You are the boss. Control the situation!!!
post #7983 of 13474
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Anyone accepting those conditions deserves the consequences. Tell the delivery boys you want to buy them a beer, flash a 20 to ensure the TV is on it's stand and operating properly, then sign for delivery - has worked every time for me. You are the boss. Control the situation!!!

I know. I told her not to accept it if they wouldn't let us unbox it to test it before signing. Panasonic and NVC assured me I can do that on re-delivery.
post #7984 of 13474
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Anyone accepting those conditions deserves the consequences. Tell the delivery boys you want to buy them a beer, flash a 20 to ensure the TV is on it's stand and operating properly, then sign for delivery - has worked every time for me. You are the boss. Control the situation!!!

Having the delivery terms printed and available is more effective. I'll gladly tip delivery guys that are professional 20 bucks AFTER everything is done, but flashing a 20 ahead of time is a bribe AFAIC. If they walk in and start with an attitude or try to get away without following the terms of delivery I get the printout, get the delivery done, and get them out the door.

VT50 #1 - everything was superb, the delivery guys went beyond the terms when they brought the TV. Gave them 40 they were fantastic in their attitude and customer service.

had to get that one replaced

VT50 #2 - same company, different delivery guys. Tried getting me to sign before I tested the TV, tried leaving the bad TV because I didn't have the original box, even stated that removal of the packing materials wasn't part of the contract for the original delivery. So I pulled out the terms of delivery and replacement that I had sent to me by the Amazon rep I talked to. That was all it took. On their way out I told them to ask the guys that did the last delivery how much I tipped them.
post #7985 of 13474
Are you really supposed to tip these delivery guys? Maybe I'm a tightwad but I've never tipped for a mattress delivery, TV delivery, etc. Best Buy is delivering my 65VT50 on Saturday and I'm wondering if I should consider tipping. I don't really want them to do anything except bring it in the door, set it down, let me inspect it and power it on, then sign and leave.
post #7986 of 13474
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Originally Posted by mvc753 View Post

Are you really supposed to tip these delivery guys? Maybe I'm a tightwad but I've never tipped for a mattress delivery, TV delivery, etc. Best Buy is delivering my 65VT50 on Saturday and I'm wondering if I should consider tipping. I don't really want them to do anything except bring it in the door, set it down, let me inspect it and power it on, then sign and leave.

Totally up to the individual, but I would tip. Especially during the holidays.
post #7987 of 13474
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Anyone accepting those conditions deserves the consequences. Tell the delivery boys you want to buy them a beer, flash a 20 to ensure the TV is on it's stand and operating properly, then sign for delivery - has worked every time for me. You are the boss. Control the situation!!!
Very well said wink.gif
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Originally Posted by mvc753 View Post

Are you really supposed to tip these delivery guys? Maybe I'm a tightwad but I've never tipped for a mattress delivery, TV delivery, etc. Best Buy is delivering my 65VT50 on Saturday and I'm wondering if I should consider tipping. I don't really want them to do anything except bring it in the door, set it down, let me inspect it and power it on, then sign and leave.
Up to you in the end if you are looking for nothing special, as it seems you are not. Most folks are looking for a little more, that's when a tip is almost a must.
post #7988 of 13474
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Originally Posted by azurisk View Post

I am in doubt whether to buy a VT50 or an ST50 accompanied with a Radiance Mini3D. I want the best possible picture. Which would allow for better picture in your opinion?

I would have a hard time deciding... but if you plan on doing 5x5x5 cube calibration with the Lumagen, then you will be able to get a more accurate calibration (as compared to the built in calibration controls on the VT50). I guess I would take the ST50+Lumagen.
post #7989 of 13474
I have never owned a plasma. Could you give me some input?

I am a Samsung 55" B8000 LED for a few years. I want to increase the size of my TV to 65" which is the largest that can fit where it has to go.

I was ready to buy Samsung's new 65ES8000 LED but after reading AVS's thread regarding the ES7000 & 8000 LED's and all the troubles it has, I changed my mind. I then switched to Sony's new 65HX950 LED to discovered that it has almost the same problems as Samsung's.

A few days ago, I took a look at Samsung's 65E8000 which is Samsung's hi-end plasma. Once again, after reading AVS's thread regarding Samsung's plasma and the problems with buzzing and some kind of motion problem the guys are talking about, I thought I would take a look at Panasonic's 65VT50.

Today, I was able to look at the 65VT50 in between a Samsung ES8000 LED and the 70" Sharp Elite LED.

The VT50's black was very impressive and it made the Samsung look a little washed out. The Elite looked pretty good but the black was not as deep as the VT50 which I know all you VT50 owners know.

Now here is where I need you thought. There are almost 8000 posts on this thread and I am too old to read them all.

What are the problems with the Panasonic 65VT50? What should I be aware of when considering my first plasma?

Any motion, banding, buzzing, flash lighting, etc?




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Edited by JimShaw - 12/6/12 at 7:02am
post #7990 of 13474
The VT50 motion handling is superb. As far as banding goes, some plasmas have a little banding. My 65" VT50 has a little vertical banding but its not noticeable in general use. I can see it on an all-grey screen and that's about the only time I can see it.

Flash lighting does not exist on plasmas, they do not use a backlight.

As far as buzzing goes, I've never owned a single plamsa that has not had some type of buzz to it. That includes my VT50, two 50" Pios and a 60" Kuro. The 60" Kuro is a real buzzer (most of them were). The thing is, the whole buzzing debacle is a storm in a teacup... In normal use you don't hear it unless you have the sound muted or right down to low. The other thing plasmas have are fans, therefore a little fan noise, again, practically inaudible during normal use and barely audible even in a quiet room.

Some are less buzzy than others, it's a lottery of sorts, just like buying a LED and risking backlight bleed and clouding. Some guys say they have plasmas that don't buzz at all, I don't believe them or their hearing is rubbish. The whiter the image, the louder the buzz. If you put your plasma in torch mode, you'll hear it.

1000
Edited by 1000 - 12/6/12 at 2:05am
post #7991 of 13474
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

I would have a hard time deciding... but if you plan on doing 5x5x5 cube calibration with the Lumagen, then you will be able to get a more accurate calibration (as compared to the built in calibration controls on the VT50). I guess I would take the ST50+Lumagen.

Yes the 125 point calibration was why I thought it might surpass the VT50.
post #7992 of 13474
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Originally Posted by azurisk View Post

Yes the 125 point calibration was why I thought it might surpass the VT50.

I would really like to see the results of this! I have only done 5x5x5 cube calibrations on projectors so far.
post #7993 of 13474
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

I would really like to see the results of this! I have only done 5x5x5 cube calibrations on projectors so far.

Straying a bit off-topic, but I've gotta get my arms around external video processing. The video signal that goes from my BDT220 to my VT50 is "processed" by the VT50, right? Now, if you put a video processor in between the BD player and the VT50, then are the panels settings bypassed?
post #7994 of 13474
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Straying a bit off-topic, but I've gotta get my arms around external video processing. The video signal that goes from my BDT220 to my VT50 is "processed" by the VT50, right? Now, if you put a video processor in between the BD player and the VT50, then are the panels settings bypassed?

I don't see how that is possible. An input signal is an input signal, regarding of what is upstream. I would think to bypass internal processing you would have to be able to "turn it off" on the panel itself. Would love to hear from the experts though.
post #7995 of 13474
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

The VT50 motion handling is superb. As far as banding goes, some plasmas have a little banding. My 65" VT50 has a little vertical banding but its not noticeable in general use. I can see it on an all-grey screen and that's about the only time I can see it.
Flash lighting does not exist on plasmas, they do not use a backlight.
As far as buzzing goes, I've never owned a single plamsa that has not had some type of buzz to it. That includes my VT50, two 50" Pios and a 60" Kuro. The 60" Kuro is a real buzzer (most of them were). The thing is, the whole buzzing debacle is a storm in a teacup... In normal use you don't hear it unless you have the sound muted or right down to low. The other thing plasmas have are fans, therefore a little fan noise, again, practically inaudible during normal use and barely audible even in a quiet room.
Some are less buzzy than others, it's a lottery of sorts, just like buying a LED and risking backlight bleed and clouding. Some guys say they have plasmas that don't buzz at all, I don't believe them or their hearing is rubbish. The whiter the image, the louder the buzz. If you put your plasma in torch mode, you'll hear it.
1000

1000

Thanks. Big help

Regarding fan noise or buzzing. We sit 15 feet from the TV and my guess is at that distance, the odds are we won't hear a thing
post #7996 of 13474
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Originally Posted by azurisk View Post

Yes the 125 point calibration was why I thought it might surpass the VT50.

I don't know much about the ST50 other than what we all have read, nor have I used a ST50 for a 3D LUT cube total 125 point calibration. However I have done this type of calibration on my VT50 and the results are the best I have ever seen (if done right).. I have some calibration reports posted using the 3D LUT cube calibration and a 21 point graysacle for my VT50, The key for this type of calibration is having something like the lumagen radiance or ee color cube, that store these very detailed settings.

I would think this type of calibration would be very good for the ST50 and I have suggested that in the past. Will it come out as close on a ST50 as a VT50, that I don't know, it really depends on the controls that the ST has and if the ST has ISF modes, if not it will still come out better than a normal ISF/THX type of calibration done by a pro.

However beware, this type of calibration on a ST/GT/VT50 needs some very good setup done before the full calibration is run.

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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

I would really like to see the results of this! I have only done 5x5x5 cube calibrations on projectors so far.

See my reports for a 3D LUT cube total 125 points.
You also may want to look into a 16X16X16 cube calibration.

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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

I don't see how that is possible. An input signal is an input signal, regarding of what is upstream. I would think to bypass internal processing you would have to be able to "turn it off" on the panel itself. Would love to hear from the experts though.

If you want to do a 3D LUT calibration without any upstream processing, then I would suggest getting a ee color cube, if supported by the calibration software. However a lumagen radiance is a very good processor/scalor and does a very nice job with the 3D cube 125 point 5x5x5 calibration.

Also for you darbee fans,imo the lumagen radiance will do what the darbee does for detail and coupled with this type of calibration will give you a lot of depth and detail, without messing up your Chroma or Luma and also give you better background detail.

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post #7997 of 13474
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Having the delivery terms printed and available is more effective. I'll gladly tip delivery guys that are professional 20 bucks AFTER everything is done, but flashing a 20 ahead of time is a bribe AFAIC. If they walk in and start with an attitude or try to get away without following the terms of delivery I get the printout, get the delivery done, and get them out the door.

VT50 #1 - everything was superb, the delivery guys went beyond the terms when they brought the TV. Gave them 40 they were fantastic in their attitude and customer service.
had to get that one replaced

VT50 #2 - same company, different delivery guys. Tried getting me to sign before I tested the TV, tried leaving the bad TV because I didn't have the original box, even stated that removal of the packing materials wasn't part of the contract for the original delivery. So I pulled out the terms of delivery and replacement that I had sent to me by the Amazon rep I talked to. That was all it took. On their way out I told them to ask the guys that did the last delivery how much I tipped them.

The problem with this is that there are no delivery terms available from Panasonic, and there is conflicting information from Panasonic, NVC, and the third-party delivery company. Panasonic says you can absolutely inspect the TV before accepting the delivery. NVC says their contract with the delivery company says the delivery must be signed for before the box is opened. Seems to be a disconnect there. As of this morning, I'm still being told by the third-party delivery firm that I can't inspect the TV before signing for it. I'll make one more call to Panasonic, then cancel the order if they can't get this rectified. I'm not taking a $3K TV sight unseen.
post #7998 of 13474
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Originally Posted by DWBoston View Post

The problem with this is that there are no delivery terms available from Panasonic, and there is conflicting information from Panasonic, NVC, and the third-party delivery company. Panasonic says you can absolutely inspect the TV before accepting the delivery. NVC says their contract with the delivery company says the delivery must be signed for before the box is opened. Seems to be a disconnect there. As of this morning, I'm still being told by the third-party delivery firm that I can't inspect the TV before signing for it. I'll make one more call to Panasonic, then cancel the order if they can't get this rectified. I'm not taking a $3K TV sight unseen.

Wow. I think at this point I'd just cancel and go with someone else.
post #7999 of 13474
Anyone experience any burn-in/image retention on a VT50? I posted in the master thread but I'm curious to see if anyone has experience with this tv in particular: both prevention and reversal. Particularly, is the built in sweeping bar thing any good?

I'd like to be able to play games for 5hrs+, which I'd done a few times but now all of a sudden I'm seeing some residual images.
post #8000 of 13474
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Originally Posted by kayson View Post

Anyone experience any burn-in/image retention on a VT50? I posted in the master thread but I'm curious to see if anyone has experience with this tv in particular: both prevention and reversal. Particularly, is the built in sweeping bar thing any good?
I'd like to be able to play games for 5hrs+, which I'd done a few times but now all of a sudden I'm seeing some residual images.

It's been asked and answered many times in this thread, so you are in the right place.
post #8001 of 13474
Need some help and advice here guys.

Here's the deal: I want the VT50 in 65 inches. Amazon has it for $2599.

I would prefer to buy local, B and M. Best Buy has it, but the lowest they will go is $3000. Plus add another $230 in sales tax.

Best Buy is telling me Amazon is not an "authorized VT dealer".

Do I care? What does this really mean. I looked at the Panasonic website and all it talks about is the "expertise" and "product knowledge" an authorized dealer has. I don't need that, since I have AVS and researched all the options myself.

Then the BB guy told me I was probably getting a "grey market" TV from Amazon since "I can't even get them for that price".

Any help on this?

Thanks!

Steve V
post #8002 of 13474
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Originally Posted by SteveLV View Post

Need some help and advice here guys.
Here's the deal: I want the VT50 in 65 inches. Amazon has it for $2599.
I would prefer to buy local, B and M. Best Buy has it, but the lowest they will go is $3000. Plus add another $230 in sales tax.
Best Buy is telling me Amazon is not an "authorized VT dealer".
Do I care? What does this really mean. I looked at the Panasonic website and all it talks about is the "expertise" and "product knowledge" an authorized dealer has. I don't need that, since I have AVS and researched all the options myself.
Then the BB guy told me I was probably getting a "grey market" TV from Amazon since "I can't even get them for that price".
Any help on this?
Thanks!
Steve V

I'm looking at Amazon and I see that set (I'm shopping for it as well) for $3268.70. They have them used for $2599 but personally I would avoid used for this purchase at any price wink.gif
post #8003 of 13474
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

It's been asked and answered many times in this thread, so you are in the right place.

Not a very helpful response, but good to know... I've searched through the thread and there's plenty of arguing and not so much concluding. I'm looking for someone who's more familiar with this 5 month old, 260+ page thread to offer some insight.
post #8004 of 13474
Most B+M retailers restrict their price matching to "Authorized retailers". Amazon themselves is certainly authorized but, as scirica notes, other sellers may not be. Lots of luck finding a 65VT50 that low. The price you got quoted from BB is excellent - wish I could have been offered the same.
post #8005 of 13474
Anyone watch Dark Night Rises yet on their VT50? Thoughts?
post #8006 of 13474
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Originally Posted by Oh2Smooth View Post

I've been running them non-stop (24hours a day) for 6 days since I bought the set. I do watch regular TV in the evenings but am careful about static logos/letterboxed material. I am done with them today though.
They are the standard breakin slides referred to on here and on the net.
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/hdtv-video-displays-processors/52673-plasma-break-how-properly-break-your-new-plasma-display.html
20 slides and you just set the TV into slideshow mode after adjusting to some more reasonable (not torch-mode) settings.
I don't plan on calibrating immediately. I'm super happy with the quality I'm getting with settings found on the net/here and will keep tinkering.

Thank you. Very helpful.
post #8007 of 13474
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Originally Posted by kayson View Post

Not a very helpful response, but good to know... I've searched through the thread and there's plenty of arguing and not so much concluding. I'm looking for someone who's more familiar with this 5 month old, 260+ page thread to offer some insight.

Ohh, you wanted a definite conclusion, not just some back & forth between a few reporting the problem & the rest without it? Then no, you are not in the right place in that case. But please be sure to let us know when you do find the thread where everyone comes to a consensus on it. I'd say check the plasma IR/BI sticky- maybe there rogo & the girls gone wild guy got together, set their panels side by side, & finally shook hands & came to a proper agreement on the matter that we all will accept.

Otherwise just buy one from amazon, & if you get IR problems, return it, & return to LCD's. The bi/IR sticky is a looong thread (good luck)!
post #8008 of 13474
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Originally Posted by mvc753 View Post

Are you really supposed to tip these delivery guys? Maybe I'm a tightwad but I've never tipped for a mattress delivery, TV delivery, etc. Best Buy is delivering my 65VT50 on Saturday and I'm wondering if I should consider tipping. I don't really want them to do anything except bring it in the door, set it down, let me inspect it and power it on, then sign and leave.

Two Best Buy guys delivered, and upon request, setup and turned on the VT50. All seemed well; they did a quick clean up and left after I signed some paperwork.
Before reading some posts on this thread I hadn't even considered tipping. I did tip since it's close to Xmas, and they did place the tv where I wanted it to go (saves me and the spouse lifting it). I tipped $20 each even though I felt no pressure to. I'll regard the tip as a karmic down-payment.
post #8009 of 13474
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

I don't know much about the ST50 other than what we all have read, nor have I used a ST50 for a 3D LUT cube total 125 point calibration. However I have done this type of calibration on my VT50 and the results are the best I have ever seen (if done right).. I have some calibration reports posted using the 3D LUT cube calibration and a 21 point graysacle for my VT50, The key for this type of calibration is having something like the lumagen radiance or ee color cube, that store these very detailed settings.
I would think this type of calibration would be very good for the ST50 and I have suggested that in the past. Will it come out as close on a ST50 as a VT50, that I don't know, it really depends on the controls that the ST has and if the ST has ISF modes, if not it will still come out better than a normal ISF/THX type of calibration done by a pro.
However beware, this type of calibration on a ST/GT/VT50 needs some very good setup done before the full calibration is run.

I think there are no ISF modes or pro modes on the ST50. So only a 2 point WB to make adjustments. Thing is I can afford either a VT50 or a ST50 + Lumagen radiance mini. Hard choice as I have no experience with lumagen products. I do have the means to do a cube calibration myself though.
post #8010 of 13474
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Originally Posted by kayson View Post

Not a very helpful response, but good to know... I've searched through the thread and there's plenty of arguing and not so much concluding. I'm looking for someone who's more familiar with this 5 month old, 260+ page thread to offer some insight.

Arguing and not much concluding is the end result of every "discussion about IR and BI".
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