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post #8221 of 13480
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

My VT50 is pretty accuratately calibrated, the problem for me was that the IMAX scenes were spectacular, which really highlighted the flaws in the 35mm scenes.

Ditto. TDKR was awesome on the VT50, but it actually highlighted the differences between 35mm and IMAX. I take that as a good thing!
post #8222 of 13480
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Originally Posted by stevel View Post

mvc753, when you run the slides look carefully when each of the single colors (red, blue, green) come up, making sure that every pixel is illuminated. If you have any dead pixels. this is an easy way to identify them. My first set had one dead green pixel.
All,

Been a short time reader. Recently bought the 65" VT50 from Best Buy as a xmas gift for the parents and was finally received today. I'm currently breaking it in. But as I was running the slides, unfortunately I came across a stuck/dead red pixel, similar to stevel's post. The green and blue slides illuminate the same pixel fine, but it has issues only with red. All other colors are fine.

When I was sealing the deal for the price match with the BB manager, he confirmed I can return the unit for any reason on or before Jan 24. I really like the picture quality and am afraid that if I tell them the real reason to exchange it (stuck/dead pixel), they may not honor that and can only offer me a return & refund. I would rather just make up some BS that the parents were disappointed in the picture/sound quality and would like to exchange it for another unit. Otherwise, I may just return it for a refund and start the painful process all over again.

Thoughts? Appreciate any input.
post #8223 of 13480
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Originally Posted by j0hnsmith View Post

All,
Been a short time reader. Recently bought the 65" VT50 from Best Buy as a xmas gift for the parents and was finally received today. I'm currently breaking it in. But as I was running the slides, unfortunately I came across a stuck/dead red pixel, similar to stevel's post. The green and blue slides illuminate the same pixel fine, but it has issues only with red. All other colors are fine.
When I was sealing the deal for the price match with the BB manager, he confirmed I can return the unit for any reason on or before Jan 24. I really like the picture quality and am afraid that if I tell them the real reason to exchange it (stuck/dead pixel), they may not honor that and can only offer me a return & refund. I would rather just make up some BS that the parents were disappointed in the picture/sound quality and would like to exchange it for another unit. Otherwise, I may just return it for a refund and start the painful process all over again.
Thoughts? Appreciate any input.

They will have no problem returning. You can always give them a call before making the trip. I would return it. I know someone who had a issue with 3 TV's in a row with dead pixel's, and Best buy even said he can keep bringing them back until he gets a panel with no dead or stuck pixels.
post #8224 of 13480
65" VT50 arrived today, and I'm starting the break-in process. First observations: no bad pixels; yes on light buzz on the brightest white slides but definitely don't hear it in the viewing position; no obvious fan noise. One thing I did notice is the gap on the right edge between where the "lit" pixels stop and the frame begins. Actually, I see the same thing across the top to a lesser degree. Assume this is just normal for this set? And yes, pixel orbiter is off, Aspect is set to Screen - Full, HD size 2.

I did watch some 3D and it was pretty poor compared to my Samsung LED. I'm using my Samsung glasses, which activated and brought the picture into focus but just didn't get the real 3D effect. I guess I'll need to buy a pair of Panny glasses to see if that makes a difference. Has anyone else used Samsung active glasses with their VT50?

Can't wait for break in to be completed and the set to get calibrated. I've seen this panel shine at Magnolia and it's just a matter of time (I hope) until my panel matches what I know this one is capable of.
post #8225 of 13480
Mark_b, they basically gave the store I bought it at which is Visions Electronics here in Canada full credit for the defective TV so I got an in store credit for the full amount that I paid to do whatever I wanted with it. Not 100% sure how it works between Panasonic and the store behind the scenes for the credit. I did try other Panasonic's but I am going to be trying a Samsung now due to screen uniformity issues and buzzing.

The lines that present themselves on the right hand side of the Panasonic Tv's look like just a lighter line but I have attached a picture that has been enhanced to show what that vertical line on the right hand side is kind of what appears to me to be a blotch/blob/ something wrong with the coating. There is a smaller blotch on the upper left hand side too. This is the Tv that Panasonic ended up replacing. This tv seemed to really get a lot worse all of a sudden in the 300-400 hour range.




Edited by TommmyJ - 12/13/12 at 1:52pm
post #8226 of 13480
How did you enhance the pic to show the defects? I try to take a picture of mine but it won't pick up the lines, but they are easily visible in person. Which Visions store did you get the tv from? That's the same place I got mine. What happened with your replacement tv? Is Visions letting you return it or is it another store credit thing with Panasonic?
post #8227 of 13480
I can't remember what the software was but likely just about any photo type software will do(may have even been something in Windows), just try adjusting the sliders( I can't remember which settings I used). You will likely see what the defects on your tv really look like . I know it is hard to show the defects so people can see and understand what you are referring to as a problem but this helps bring it out so it is visible. I think it is something with the coating or something when it is applied. Someone had a theory that it is some kind of rollers they use in the process that can cause streaks on the glass as the rollers are not clean or are contaminated somehow. Not sure. You can see how the right edge of the right hand side blotch makes up the vertical line that most people see on their sets.
post #8228 of 13480
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

65" VT50 arrived today, and I'm starting the break-in process. First observations: no bad pixels; yes on light buzz on the brightest white slides but definitely don't hear it in the viewing position; no obvious fan noise. One thing I did notice is the gap on the right edge between where the "lit" pixels stop and the frame begins. Actually, I see the same thing across the top to a lesser degree. Assume this is just normal for this set? And yes, pixel orbiter is off, Aspect is set to Screen - Full, HD size 2.
I did watch some 3D and it was pretty poor compared to my Samsung LED. I'm using my Samsung glasses, which activated and brought the picture into focus but just didn't get the real 3D effect. I guess I'll need to buy a pair of Panny glasses to see if that makes a difference. Has anyone else used Samsung active glasses with their VT50?
Can't wait for break in to be completed and the set to get calibrated. I've seen this panel shine at Magnolia and it's just a matter of time (I hope) until my panel matches what I know this one is capable of.

Zoom it out to fill the screen at least during the breakin process.
post #8229 of 13480
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

65" VT50 arrived today, and I'm starting the break-in process. One thing I did notice is the gap on the right edge between where the "lit" pixels stop and the frame begins. Actually, I see the same thing across the top to a lesser degree. Assume this is just normal for this set?
I'm using my Samsung glasses, which activated and brought the picture into focus but just didn't get the real 3D effect. I guess I'll need to buy a pair of Panny glasses to see if that makes a difference. Has anyone else used Samsung active glasses with their VT50?

1. there is a gap all around the panel between the last set of pixels and the border. This is true for all these sets.
2. Make sure those old Sammy glasses are BlueTooth and not IR. The Sammy BlueTooth glasses should work.
post #8230 of 13480
Can anyone recommend a skilled ISF certified tech in the Trenton / Princeton area of NJ?
post #8231 of 13480
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

Does anyone have any advice on what the heck I should do with my old tv? I have had it listed on craiglist for over a month, with no responses - which is what I figured would happen.
You probably won't find any takers since no one wants CRT sets any more. Even Goodwill probably won't take it. You might find a charity that will take it but even that is doubtful. Unfortunately, you may have to pay a fee to have the set properly disposed of.
I had 8 responses from Craigslist within the first day for my 200lb CRT. Make sure you describe it well, and play up the fact that it would take a pretty expensive new set to out-do the picture. Pictures of the TV help, too.

As for disposal, my county has a trash/recycling center, and they accept any working electronics, including CRT TVs, and it's free if you live in the county (since you've already paid for it).
post #8232 of 13480
Have a quick settings question. If I set my aspect to JUST, the picture is extremely stretched horizontally. This is with both cable and PS3. Both are running through the same receiver via HDMI, however. I can almost swear it was not like this when I first looked at the settings. The only way I can get a correct aspect ratio now is to use FULL on SIZE 2. I want to use JUST for obvious reasons. What's going on here?
post #8233 of 13480
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Originally Posted by mvc753 View Post

Have a quick settings question. If I set my aspect to JUST, the picture is extremely stretched horizontally. This is with both cable and PS3. Both are running through the same receiver via HDMI, however. I can almost swear it was not like this when I first looked at the settings. The only way I can get a correct aspect ratio now is to use FULL on SIZE 2. I want to use JUST for obvious reasons. What's going on here?

I just received my VT50 today and JUST does exactly that, stretches the picture. Full with Size 2 fits the screen properly without overscan.
post #8234 of 13480
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

65" VT50 arrived today, and I'm starting the break-in process. First observations: no bad pixels; yes on light buzz on the brightest white slides but definitely don't hear it in the viewing position; no obvious fan noise. One thing I did notice is the gap on the right edge between where the "lit" pixels stop and the frame begins. Actually, I see the same thing across the top to a lesser degree. Assume this is just normal for this set? And yes, pixel orbiter is off, Aspect is set to Screen - Full, HD size 2.
I did watch some 3D and it was pretty poor compared to my Samsung LED. I'm using my Samsung glasses, which activated and brought the picture into focus but just didn't get the real 3D effect. I guess I'll need to buy a pair of Panny glasses to see if that makes a difference. Has anyone else used Samsung active glasses with their VT50?
Can't wait for break in to be completed and the set to get calibrated. I've seen this panel shine at Magnolia and it's just a matter of time (I hope) until my panel matches what I know this one is capable of.

Verify that pixel orbitor is turned off.

Don't know what kind of bluray player you have, but on my Oppo 95, there is a setting where you enter the screen size. If it's off, that's likely to make a difference.

I have both the Panasonic and the Samsung glasses. Only real difference is that the Samsung lets in more light on the sides and the Panasonics are marginally more comfortable. I wouldn't buy the Panasonics thinking that the picture will improve because it's not likely to.

Congrats on getting your display.
post #8235 of 13480
Equipment:Pannasonic 65" VT50
DTV
Onkyo 607

Issue: While viewing DTV there seems to be a inconsistency in the sharpness of the picture. Some channels/programs look great and some channels/programs look out of focus and soft. This even seems to vary with different shows on the same channel. I have read that the video processors in this TV aren't the greatest leading to HQ content looking great and lower quality content looking not so hot. I am not referring to SD programming, all HD 1080i signals from HDTV. My much cheaper older Samsung Plasma had a much more consistent picture, but when the VT's picture is good, it blows my older Samsung away.

Question: Anyone here have any feedback on using a DarbeeVision Darblet with this TV(and DTV)? Thoughts, good results? I am also having the TV calibrated next week(free Best Buy calibration). I am currently on "custom" setting. I know everyone says to use THX but it seems a bit "washed out" to me. I will also need to get a new receiver eventually because my current receiver is not 3D. What is everyones thoughts on the Onkyo NR818 with this TV? Effects on the picture with the NR818 vs the Darblet?

I appreciate everyone's times and thoughts!
post #8236 of 13480
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I have both the Panasonic and the Samsung glasses. Only real difference is that the Samsung lets in more light on the sides and the Panasonics are marginally more comfortable. I wouldn't buy the Panasonics thinking that the picture will improve because it's not likely to.
Congrats on getting your display.

Well that's certainly disappointing then regarding the 3D. My player is an Oppo 93, screen size is set to 65. Unless I'm missing something significant, the 3D on my new Panasonic plasma is clearly inferior to my Samsung LED/LCD (UN60D7000). The glasses are definitely working, but there is no depth to the images as with the Sammy. I better do some more searching on the topic.

Regarding the edges, on closer inspection it is clear that around the entire screen there is black space between where the pixels end and the frame covers the glass. I believe this is normal and I've verified this via other posts.

I think this panel is a winner. I just need to let the break-in happen and then get a good calibration.
post #8237 of 13480
I asked this a couple of weeks ago but I want to ask again because someone in another thread eluded that I many have not gotten the correct answer...


Is there anything wrong with having Best Buy calibrate my TV? I am doing it because it is free. I understand that it might not be the best/complete calibration job but I know that up front and expect that. I have actually tracked down a local, highly respected calibrator that I will eventually have come fine tune/complete the calibration on my set. I just want to make sure that BB doing the calibration isn't going to make things worse.
post #8238 of 13480
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Well that's certainly disappointing then regarding the 3D. My player is an Oppo 93, screen size is set to 65. Unless I'm missing something significant, the 3D on my new Panasonic plasma is clearly inferior to my Samsung LED/LCD (UN60D7000). The glasses are definitely working, but there is no depth to the images as with the Sammy. I better do some more searching on the topic.
Regarding the edges, on closer inspection it is clear that around the entire screen there is black space between where the pixels end and the frame covers the glass. I believe this is normal and I've verified this via other posts.
I think this panel is a winner. I just need to let the break-in happen and then get a good calibration.

Have you messed around with the 3D settings at all? I haven't yet, but I noticed in Options --> Setup --> 3D settings there is an adjustment for depth and the default is Medium. Perhaps you could try Maximum and see if that helps? Just a thought.
post #8239 of 13480
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

65" VT50 arrived today, and I'm starting the break-in process. First observations: no bad pixels; yes on light buzz on the brightest white slides but definitely don't hear it in the viewing position; no obvious fan noise. One thing I did notice is the gap on the right edge between where the "lit" pixels stop and the frame begins. Actually, I see the same thing across the top to a lesser degree. Assume this is just normal for this set? And yes, pixel orbiter is off, Aspect is set to Screen - Full, HD size 2.
I did watch some 3D and it was pretty poor compared to my Samsung LED. I'm using my Samsung glasses, which activated and brought the picture into focus but just didn't get the real 3D effect. I guess I'll need to buy a pair of Panny glasses to see if that makes a difference. Has anyone else used Samsung active glasses with their VT50?
Can't wait for break in to be completed and the set to get calibrated. I've seen this panel shine at Magnolia and it's just a matter of time (I hope) until my panel matches what I know this one is capable of.
As to the 3D part of your writing, I watched "The Avengers" 3D Blu-ray and was very impressed. I did use the Panasonic active shutter 3D glasses, Model: TY-ER3D4MU.
post #8240 of 13480
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

I asked this a couple of weeks ago but I want to ask again because someone in another thread eluded that I many have not gotten the correct answer...
Is there anything wrong with having Best Buy calibrate my TV? I am doing it because it is free. I understand that it might not be the best/complete calibration job but I know that up front and expect that. I have actually tracked down a local, highly respected calibrator that I will eventually have come fine tune/complete the calibration on my set. I just want to make sure that BB doing the calibration isn't going to make things worse.

If it's free, you really don't have anything to lose. I know a lot of users say that the BB calibration is terrible, but I'm sure some actually do know what they are doing. I'd think they will at least be able to dial in grayscale.

Out of curiosity, how did you get it free? I was looking at the Reward Zone silver membership and it looks like it includes a free calibration. If that's the case, I'll probably go ahead and give it a shot until one of the pros makes it up this way.
post #8241 of 13480
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

If it's free, you really don't have anything to lose. I know a lot of users say that the BB calibration is terrible, but I'm sure some actually do know what they are doing. I'd think they will at least be able to dial in grayscale.
Out of curiosity, how did you get it free? I was looking at the Reward Zone silver membership and it looks like it includes a free calibration. If that's the case, I'll probably go ahead and give it a shot until one of the pros makes it up this way.

Premier Silver members (spend over 2500/yr) members get a free calibration once a year. I believe that all of BB's calibrators are ISF certified as well. The member in the other thread advised me to ask in the VT thread if I should have BB do the calibration and then told me to "duck" after I asked.

Thanks for replying.
post #8242 of 13480
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

Have you messed around with the 3D settings at all? I haven't yet, but I noticed in Options --> Setup --> 3D settings there is an adjustment for depth and the default is Medium. Perhaps you could try Maximum and see if that helps? Just a thought.

I do need to spend more time in the 3D menus to see what I can tweak. I definitely have not done that yet. There is still hope!
post #8243 of 13480
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Originally Posted by para-Neophyte View Post

As to the 3D part of your writing, I watched "The Avengers" 3D Blu-ray and was very impressed. I did use the Panasonic active shutter 3D glasses, Model: TY-ER3D4MU.

More reason to hope that I just need to play with the settings. On my Samsung LED, things literally reached out of the screen. I'm getting none of that from the Panny. I'm not giving up!
post #8244 of 13480
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

You can keep the THX modes as is and jus thave Custom calibrated if you want.. or you can have the ISFccc Interface (has 4 memories Per Input, isf Day, isf Night for 2D and isf Day, isf Night for 3D) Per Input.. they will not affect the other Picture Modes like THX.

Thanks for the information!
post #8245 of 13480
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Originally Posted by mvc753 View Post

Have a quick settings question. If I set my aspect to JUST, the picture is extremely stretched horizontally.
That's what it's supposed to do. From the manual:

FULL: Enlarges the 4:3 image horizontally to the screen's side edges. (Recommended for anamorphic picture)
JUST: Stretches to justify the 4:3 image to the four corners of the screen. (Recommended for normal TV broadcast)
H-FILL: Enlarges the 4:3 image horizontally to the screen's side edges. The side edges of the image are cut off.
4:3: Standard (Note that "Image retention" of the side bar may occur from displaying it for a long time.)
ZOOM: Enlarges the 4:3 image to the entire screen. (Recommended for Letter Box)

The last two choices are the only ones that don't ever distort the picture. "4:3" adds sidebars and zooms a tiny bit to hide the garbage in the blanking interval, while "ZOOM" enlarges 4:3 letterboxed area to fill the entire screen. "FULL" can distort the picture because it treats the signal as a 16:9 picture, which might be wrong, but is correct for HD signals and anamorphic DVDs. "JUST" is similar, but stretches the center less than the edges. "H-FILL" is a even stretch like "FULL", but cuts off some of the edges.

There are several reasons that "JUST" is "recommended" in the manual, like helping to avoid IR, as well as TV manufactures getting tired of stupid people complaining about "black bars" (whether on the sides or top/bottom).

One of my wish list items for a TV is the ability to completely disable some of the aspect ratio modes so that I never have to see them, or else give me direct access to each mode (kind of like how you can use the numbers for the input choices).
post #8246 of 13480
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Originally Posted by nabsltd View Post

That's what it's supposed to do. From the manual:
FULL: Enlarges the 4:3 image horizontally to the screen's side edges. (Recommended for anamorphic picture)
JUST: Stretches to justify the 4:3 image to the four corners of the screen. (Recommended for normal TV broadcast)
H-FILL: Enlarges the 4:3 image horizontally to the screen's side edges. The side edges of the image are cut off.
4:3: Standard (Note that "Image retention" of the side bar may occur from displaying it for a long time.)
ZOOM: Enlarges the 4:3 image to the entire screen. (Recommended for Letter Box)
The last two choices are the only ones that don't ever distort the picture. "4:3" adds sidebars and zooms a tiny bit to hide the garbage in the blanking interval, while "ZOOM" enlarges 4:3 letterboxed area to fill the entire screen. "FULL" can distort the picture because it treats the signal as a 16:9 picture, which might be wrong, but is correct for HD signals and anamorphic DVDs. "JUST" is similar, but stretches the center less than the edges. "H-FILL" is a even stretch like "FULL", but cuts off some of the edges.
There are several reasons that "JUST" is "recommended" in the manual, like helping to avoid IR, as well as TV manufactures getting tired of stupid people complaining about "black bars" (whether on the sides or top/bottom).
One of my wish list items for a TV is the ability to completely disable some of the aspect ratio modes so that I never have to see them, or else give me direct access to each mode (kind of like how you can use the numbers for the input choices).

You seem to be referring to how the various aspect settings handle 4:3 content. I'm referring to how they handle native 16:9 1080i and 1080p content. JUST takes 16:9 content and stretches it rather than displaying it properly.
post #8247 of 13480
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

Question: Anyone here have any feedback on using a DarbeeVision Darblet with this TV(and DTV)? Thoughts, good results? !

I did and was not impressed. Others say it helps 720p and lower resolution pictures. I returned mine - check the return policy before you buy yours if you want to try it.,
post #8248 of 13480
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Originally Posted by stevel View Post

I did and was not impressed. Others say it helps 720p and lower resolution pictures. I returned mine - check the return policy before you buy yours if you want to try it.,

What source are you using? DirecTV just seems so inconsistent to me. Wasn't as bad with my Samsung. I'm just trying to clean up my picture a little(on programs that seem to have low quality HD). I think I will probably buy one and try it out and ask for the Onkyo NR818 for my Bday in May.

Thanks for your feedback!
post #8249 of 13480
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

What source are you using? DirecTV just seems so inconsistent to me. Wasn't as bad with my Samsung. I'm just trying to clean up my picture a little(on programs that seem to have low quality HD). I think I will probably buy one and try it out and ask for the Onkyo NR818 for my Bday in May.
Thanks for your feedback!

I have had my vt50 now for about 4 1/2 months. I have the 818 hooked up to it and feel that the PQ for HD cable TV increased with the 818 and over time. I want to reiterate the time factor. The past month I feel it has really began to show a great picture. The 818 is also great not only to clean up cable signal, but you also cant beat the price for getting Audyssey XT32.
post #8250 of 13480
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Originally Posted by para-Neophyte View Post

As to the 3D part of your writing, I watched "The Avengers" 3D Blu-ray and was very impressed. I did use the Panasonic active shutter 3D glasses, Model: TY-ER3D4MU.

Based on your post I put in my copy of Avengers 3D. Didn't look 3D even those my glasses activated and "aligned" the double-image on the set. One clear test is this. Can you pause the movie then look at the chapter indicator in the lower left corner for me? On my Samsung, it "floats" in front of the picture and as you move side to side it moves with you independent of the film behind it. On my Panasonic, it is "glued" to the film behind it. I need to try the Panasonic glasses.
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