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post #8671 of 13486
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Originally Posted by PhantomRogue View Post

It is covered by warranty? Manufacturer or the place you bought it?

Over here (Netherlands) it is covered by manufacturers warranty. They took back my tv because of that. My dealer doesn't help me at all. Needed lawyers to get things done.
post #8672 of 13486
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Originally Posted by stevel View Post

Yes, do take the Darblet out and try it. The cable is not the cause of the problem - some piece of electronics is not HDMI 1.4 compliant.
That said, I replaced seven-year-old 25-foot cable with one from Monoprice just for the heck of it. The old one worked ok with 3D content.


So it's the PS3(I think). I have DirecTV and the 3D channels work fine. For some reason my Ps3 wont play the disc.... unless of course maybe the DirecTV works OK because the HDMI cables are capable of carrying 1080i 3D but not 1080p 3D????. Looks like I might be buying a new DVD player.
post #8673 of 13486
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

Think it's worth buying a cable that has a Redmere chip in it?

Not really much to gain by it unless you're having to run a long hdmi cable, 15ft and longer. The chip basically just helps pass the signal over a longer distance.

The shipping company finally called me about a setup delivery time for my 55VT50 which is schedule for next Thursday.... ahhh the agony of waiting lol.
post #8674 of 13486
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

Little off topic here but thought maybe someone here can help me.
I am getting a message saying my DVD player will not play 3D BluRay's. It is a PS3 that has the latest firmware. Why am I getting this message, non compliant HDMI cables? The HDMI cable running from my PS3 to the Onkyo is probably 7 years old, I am guessing that this is my issue, just need some confirmation.
Here is what I am running:
PS3(think it is a first generation if there is such a thing, firmware is the latest version) ---> Hooked directly to a Onkyo TX-NR818---> Darbee Darblet---> 65VT50.
Any help is appreciated, thanks.

Have you reran the PS3 display setup? I kept getting that message until I did. My previous set was 1080p but not 3D. With the console off, press and hold the power button for 5 seconds. It should rerun setup and detect a 3d capable display. Hope that helps.
post #8675 of 13486
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Originally Posted by av_fan View Post

So, was the line bleeding one of the reasons you took back one of the sets?
It doesn't seem to be a major topic in this thread, I wonder how the general experience with line bleed is with the VT50.
I see it mainly during previews, credits (boxes and lines as the credits are rolling), and sometimes lightly with some menu boxes on the VT50. Is this considered a defect?

Line Bleed is not a defect - it's a well known quirk of Plasma technology. It has been present since the first Plasma TVs back around 1999 and has been discussed hundreds of time here over the years. That green DVD preview screen is the worst offender, but i rarely see Line Bleed in normal viewing. Some Plasmas display it worse than others.


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To add to the retention discussion, I put in a copy of Iron Man and left it on the title screen for 2-3 minutes while I made popcorn. The rectangular menu on the left was visible for a while after that (it was only on for 2-3 mins!!) I did the 100 hours break-in slides, and I am keeping the TV at Standard until 500 hours, so this was quite surprising to me.

Some panels seem to be more prone to IR than others. I sometimes mistakenly leave my Tivo paused for long period (like more than a half hour) and the afterimage of anything that was static on the screen goes away immediately and disappears. I've had the settings menu up for long periods of time and it leaves no IR and no after-image at all, and there are many others here that report the same resistance to IR. But some other people here do get IR pretty quickly and it does not go away as fast as it should so there is definitely a panel lottery here.

The same thing happened with Samsung for several years - tons of people complained about IR and burn-in, while others in the threads reported no IR and no burn-in, while you rarely saw complaints in the Panasonic threads. And in those years where Samsung was getting all the IR complaints, their panels were brighter than the Panasonics were and now that the Panasonics are brighter than the Samsungs, the Panasonics are getting more reports of IR than the Samsungs. It would appear that IR is related to overall screen brightness and this is Panasonic's year.
post #8676 of 13486
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Originally Posted by 7thSeal View Post

Not really much to gain by it unless you're having to run a long hdmi cable, 15ft and longer. The chip basically just helps pass the signal over a longer distance.
The shipping company finally called me about a setup delivery time for my 55VT50 which is schedule for next Thursday.... ahhh the agony of waiting lol.

Going 30'
post #8677 of 13486
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Originally Posted by tmb017 View Post

Have you reran the PS3 display setup? I kept getting that message until I did. My previous set was 1080p but not 3D. With the console off, press and hold the power button for 5 seconds. It should rerun setup and detect a 3d capable display. Hope that helps.
Ill give it a try, thanks.
post #8678 of 13486
I havn't had any IR issues at all. Using THX Cinema and costum settings with contrast at 72. I havn't noticed line bleed either. My G20 did show temporary IR rarely at times the first few months.

It seems some sets are more prone to It.
post #8679 of 13486
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Originally Posted by tmb017 View Post

Have you reran the PS3 display setup? I kept getting that message until I did. My previous set was 1080p but not 3D. With the console off, press and hold the power button for 5 seconds. It should rerun setup and detect a 3d capable display. Hope that helps.

You nailed it! Thanks, saved me a lot of $$$
post #8680 of 13486
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

Going 30'

I'd consider getting one if having to go that long.
post #8681 of 13486
I have the Redmere chip in my 30' cable - works fine. But if your existing cable is good quality, I wouldn't worry about it. That said, the Monoprice 30' cable with Redmere is less than $50.
post #8682 of 13486
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Originally Posted by stevel View Post

I have the Redmere chip in my 30' cable - works fine. But if your existing cable is good quality, I wouldn't worry about it. That said, the Monoprice 30' cable with Redmere is less than $50.
Yea, works fine, however is it BARELY long enough at 25'. I might pick up a 30' Redmere cable just so it's "fresh" and I am not constantly fighting the length issue. It's a PIA when pull the receiver out or take the TV off the wall.
post #8683 of 13486
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If you check out the reports from plasma owners who have had their displays calibrated by the professionals who are active here at AVS, you will find that one of the most common remarks is "I didn't think that the picture quality could be improved over the settings that I was using but ... ". smile.gifwink.gif
Check the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

Thanks, I am interested in getting my set calibrated eventually. I think the DIY route would be interesting but I am thinking calibration is a learned skill through experience so I would never get the full benefit anyway unless I hire a pro.

I live in PA is there a recommended calibrater in my area?
UMR (W. Jeff Meier) is one of the best. You can find his schedule of tours here at his web site. www.accucalhd.com

jeff@accucalhd.com
post #8684 of 13486
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Originally Posted by azurisk View Post

That depends on what they announce at CES i guess. Have been watching an old 26" philips lcd ( which is why I stated I have no tv, as that doesn't really count :P ) for about 2 months now already. I had been thinking of buying a cheaper st50 and combine it with a lumagen mini3d. Then i'll have the missing cms/wb controls. Not sure if it would be better then a vt50 without mini3d. Can't seem to get an answer.
They announce gthis and that how ever nothing is concrete until the units are released. The bad news is that sometimes products can take a step back frown.gif The VT50 is a great set, we will see what happens in May/June when the 2013 models are released....
post #8685 of 13486
Its going to be hard for Panasonic to best their own vt50 because the vt50 was built from ground up using all new plasma tech. I would only expect very minor improvements if any at all.
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I recently purchased 65VT50 and I started noticing ghosting especially when you have a scene with a person moving across the screen. It happens quite a bit in the prime time TV shows. It is almost like you have a double vision. It annoys me quite a bit to the point of me considering returning the set.
I don't think I have noticed something like that on my old 46" Sony LCD. It doesn't really get any better with 24p content. I wonder whether anybody is seeing something like that on their sets?
post #8687 of 13486
Sounds defective if its as noticeable as you claim it is.
post #8688 of 13486
I am torn between this unit or the sharp. 70/80 inch quattrons. What do you guys think has a better picture? I went to magnolia/bb and looked them all today. I really liked this over the sharp, wanted others opinions as well? I think the 80 is really nice for the size though.
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Originally Posted by 48548 View Post

I am torn between this unit or the sharp. 70/80 inch quattrons. What do you guys think has a better picture? I went to magnolia/bb and looked them all today. I really liked this over the sharp, wanted others opinions as well? I think the 80 is really nice for the size though.

I have the 65VT50, my brother just got the 70" Sharp Quattron. The VT50 has much better picture quality and viewing angles. The Sharp is a nice TV but nothing special. I have a 60" Sharp Aquos as well and the picture quality is pretty similar to the 70" Quattron set. I'm not sure what the extra yellow pixel adds.
post #8690 of 13486
Thanks for your input. Also I a,m replacing my 04 pioneer elite pro 530hdi rptv. It has served well, but time to be replaced.
post #8691 of 13486
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Line Bleed is not a defect - it's a well known quirk of Plasma technology. It has been present since the first Plasma TVs back around 1999 and has been discussed hundreds of time here over the years. That green DVD preview screen is the worst offender, but i rarely see Line Bleed in normal viewing. Some Plasmas display it worse than others.

Some panels seem to be more prone to IR than others. I sometimes mistakenly leave my Tivo paused for long period (like more than a half hour) and the afterimage of anything that was static on the screen goes away immediately and disappears. I've had the settings menu up for long periods of time and it leaves no IR and no after-image at all, and there are many others here that report the same resistance to IR. But some other people here do get IR pretty quickly and it does not go away as fast as it should so there is definitely a panel lottery here.
The same thing happened with Samsung for several years - tons of people complained about IR and burn-in, while others in the threads reported no IR and no burn-in, while you rarely saw complaints in the Panasonic threads. And in those years where Samsung was getting all the IR complaints, their panels were brighter than the Panasonics were and now that the Panasonics are brighter than the Samsungs, the Panasonics are getting more reports of IR than the Samsungs. It would appear that IR is related to overall screen brightness and this is Panasonic's year.

Thanks. Though the variations in the panel are not a good thing to hear, it's quite a relief to hear about plasmas and line bleed.
post #8692 of 13486
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Originally Posted by amo76 View Post

I recently purchased 65VT50 and I started noticing ghosting especially when you have a scene with a person moving across the screen. It happens quite a bit in the prime time TV shows. It is almost like you have a double vision. It annoys me quite a bit to the point of me considering returning the set.
I don't think I have noticed something like that on my old 46" Sony LCD. It doesn't really get any better with 24p content. I wonder whether anybody is seeing something like that on their sets?

Try completely turning off the motion smoother.
post #8693 of 13486
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Originally Posted by av_fan View Post

Try completely turning off the motion smoother.

Figured I'd offer the Indian call center advice: ensure that your tv mode is 2d j/k
post #8694 of 13486
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Figured I'd offer the Indian call center advice: ensure that your tv mode is 2d j/k

I wasn't kidding about the motion smoother. TV shows on Fios through 1080i were unwatchable for me until I turned the motion smoother off. By default, it is on at light or medium, I forget which...
post #8695 of 13486
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Originally Posted by av_fan View Post

I wasn't kidding about the motion smoother. TV shows on Fios through 1080i were unwatchable for me until I turned the motion smoother off. By default, it is on at light or medium, I forget which...

I never use motion features either. You might be able to do what I did and set your box to 720p. It's typically better than 1080i. Or you can use a processor to upscale to 1080 p.
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Netflix streaming video service use is prevalent in my household. Currently I have three (3) devices that have this feature: PS3, AppleTV and 55" VT50. This point will become relevant shortly.

Today I was shocked to see image retention on the VT50 (no worries it was not noticeable when watching Crank 2: High Voltage) in the form of a rectangle frame on the left-side of display six inches from the display-frame, twelve inches from the top of the display unit. After trying to figure out what the cause was I realized the bright grey-white selection frame (rectangular box) -used to highlight the movie/tv choice in Netflix- was the culprit. This GUI feature of Netflix is present in both the PS3 and VT50.

The problem is that this bright frame doesn't move - the movies/tv choices are paraded through it, which effectively turns this GUI feature into the TV Network Logos I've been trying to avoid because of the potential of image retention or worse yet, burn-in.

My solution: Use of Netflix via AppleTV. AppleTV's Netflix GUI differs from the PS3's and VT50's. The selection frame is thinner than that of the VT50's and PS3; not a bright color but blue; and it does the moving around, not the movie/tv icons. So the selection frame never stays in one place.

So be warned.
post #8697 of 13486
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

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Originally Posted by av_fan View Post

Try completely turning off the motion smoother.

Figured I'd offer the Indian call center advice: ensure that your tv mode is 2d j/k
Actually, if the VT50 is set to automatically detect 3D, then it's possible that it's detecting it when it shouldn't, especially if "Auto 2" is set.

Turning "Auto 3D detection" to "Off" instead of one of the auto settings can't hurt to see if it fixes the ghosting issue.
post #8698 of 13486
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Originally Posted by para-Neophyte View Post

Netflix streaming video service use is prevalent in my household. Currently I have three (3) devices that have this feature: PS3, AppleTV and 55" VT50. This point will become relevant shortly.
Today I was shocked to see image retention on the VT50 (no worries it was not noticeable when watching Crank 2: High Voltage) in the form of a rectangle frame on the left-side of display six inches from the display-frame, twelve inches from the top of the display unit. After trying to figure out what the cause was I realized the bright grey-white selection frame (rectangular box) -used to highlight the movie/tv choice in Netflix- was the culprit. This GUI feature of Netflix is present in both the PS3 and VT50.
The problem is that this bright frame doesn't move - the movies/tv choices are paraded through it, which effectively turns this GUI feature into the TV Network Logos I've been trying to avoid because of the potential of image retention or worse yet, burn-in.
My solution: Use of Netflix via AppleTV. AppleTV's Netflix GUI differs from the PS3's and VT50's. The selection frame is thinner than that of the VT50's and PS3; not a bright color but blue; and it does the moving around, not the movie/tv icons. So the selection frame never stays in one place.
So be warned.

how long have you had this tv set? i find it shocking that a tv of this quality and being 2012, we still have IR issues. Stuff like that makes me scared of this tv. i did just order one tho. will see what happens in when i get it setup.

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post #8699 of 13486
I get IR whenever I open up the menu. MENU at the top left. It goes away if I run the bars or some color slides. I have already exchanged this tv once because the IR wouldnt go away. Hopefully this one will be different. I dont have this one on thx mode though so the pixel orbiter is on which seems to help.

I have had this tv for 40 days now. IR happens even if I bring up the menu for a few seconds.
post #8700 of 13486
I never see IR. Got about 150 hours on it. Ran slides for 1st 100 hours non stop.
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