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post #9241 of 13463
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

you are probably better off loading some of the settings in the other forum. Those will help you get through the first few hundred hours and improve the quality from the out of the box modes. or you can use THX Cinema and bright room also if you desire.

I would suggest saving for a professional to do it that is certified then playing the lottery at BB. If you can get the magnolia guys to do it and not the geek squad then perhaps that is a better option.
There are very few BB stores with the very high end Magnolia departments. Most Magnolia departments are not equipped to provide anything other than Geek calibrations. I always vote for calibrators that are known and reviewed here at AVS. See below. wink.gif
post #9242 of 13463
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Originally Posted by 7thSeal View Post

robnix's settings look superb on my set, he has his settings and result charts in post #800 of this page.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1410156/the-official-panasonic-vt50-settings-thread/780

Oh you are talking about ISF settings. I don't think all of us have ISF modes unlocked. Any Custom settings that you recommend?
post #9243 of 13463
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Originally Posted by kwffs0 View Post

I had Geek Squad calibrate my 65 VT50 on 1/11/13 Oct 2012 build date with 250 hours on it using varied content with no IR visible, Geek Squad-1_11_2013-L.Shaver.pdf 1031k .pdf file attached are the results.
You can definitely do better, as you can see by looking at some of the other calibration reports. I think every one that is done by a non-Geek Squad professional has every color dead center in the boxes.

And, other than fixing the yellow shifted towards red (that were settings grabbed from these boards), the final calibration doesn't really jump out as "way better".
post #9244 of 13463
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Oh you are talking about ISF settings. I don't think all of us have ISF modes unlocked. Any Custom settings that you recommend?

You can use any of the posted settings in Custom, all the adjustments are there. However, I can't image not having ControlCal now. With it you can:
  1. Unlock the ISF modes
  2. Change settings without the remote
  3. Save and import settings files

It's a small price for a lot of convenience.
post #9245 of 13463
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Originally Posted by kwffs0 View Post

I had Geek Squad calibrate my 65 VT50 on 1/11/13 Oct 2012 build date with 250 hours on it using varied content with no IR visible, Geek Squad-1_11_2013-L.Shaver.pdf 1031k .pdf file attached are the results. I used Toppers setting for my custom mode and that is what the compassion is off of. I think the colors are more accurate after the calibration but it seems a little dark. He did ISF day and night but that was it, no 3D. He only did 30 and 80 gray scale not the 10 point. I have already emailed those settings to Dave Evans at 21 Century Calibration for an evaluation and to schedule a recalibration if he thinks its warranted.

The blind leading the blind. eek.gif

Yes Dave will have a walk in the park besting those pre and post settings you posted.

What you guys should have is a little knowledge of what the raw numbers mean. Its not that hard all you have to do is look at each column and read down, with the grayscale report the yCIE31 value should read (ideal) .3127, the x CIE31 value should read (ideal) .328, for the Yfl value there should be a target number so you can compare the actual readings.
The Gamma should read whatever the gamma target is set at (in my example and settings I use a gamma target of 2.2)


The CMS chart is easy to read, just look at the target numbers and compare to the actual reading for the calibration.


These charts are taken form my ISF calibration, see the first link in my sig for the full report.


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Edited by sillysally - 1/14/13 at 10:42pm
post #9246 of 13463
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Originally Posted by Emclean07 View Post

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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Jim: the VT50 does carry 5.1 over HDMI with other streaming apps like Netflix and Vudu where available or indicated in the title of the movie. (e.g., not all movies are 5.1 in the Netflix Library). Unfortunately Amazon's Instant Video app specifically for Panasonic does not yet include 5.1/Dolby Digital audio. I had the same frustration with the Netflix app on my Sony BDP-S780 blu ray player--in that case I could get 5.1 from Amazon titles but not Netflix rolleyes.gif

In either case my Receiver is able to process 2.1 PCM input to 5.1 output on my speaker system.

Do you have to turn that on somehow in your receiver settings? I'm only getting 2.1 out of my front towers [and sub] and it is driving me nuts!

Emclean07: Check that you are running the HDMI cable between HDMI #2 (ARC or Audio Return Channel) on the VT50 and your Receiver with a high-speed or HDMI 1.4 cable. Also, if your Receiver is 1.4 HDMI capable then you most likely have to turn "HDMI Control ON" on the Receiver and make sure your Receiver is tuned to the "TV" input.
post #9247 of 13463
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Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth View Post

Got mine last Wed from pauls, have a Dec 2012 build date. No problems, no buzzing, IR.

Got mine in early December from Best Buy. October build date. No problems except for buzzing on bright scenes.
post #9248 of 13463
Been running white screen.mp4 file to clean up my IR from gaming last weekend. Now this video goes in a loop, but when the run is over it pops up with the box showing what movie it is and time of movie, its up for just 30 seconds or so. I am noticing the time IR up in that corner. How can i fix this?

I want to set a loop then goto bed. the panny image reduction in the settings is 15min long only.


thanks all
post #9249 of 13463
Got my new 65VT50 and playing around with the 3D. Picked up a pair of Samsung glasses and a Sony Playstation glasses that are supposed to be compatible with Panasonic. The Samsung works great, but the Sony's don't work at all. Does anyone know if these Playstation 3D Glasses will work with the Panasonic TV?
post #9250 of 13463
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Originally Posted by Jagged68 View Post

Got my new 65VT50 and playing around with the 3D. Picked up a pair of Samsung glasses and a Sony Playstation glasses that are supposed to be compatible with Panasonic. The Samsung works great, but the Sony's don't work at all. Does anyone know if these Playstation 3D Glasses will work with the Panasonic TV?

The 2012's use bluetooth tech in the glasses. The PS3 uses infrared compatible with 2011 and 2010 tv's.
post #9251 of 13463
Hi everyone,

New the the forum, but hope to stick around. I just bought the VT50 during a sale at Best Buy this weekend and it was delivered about an hour ago. I had the guys attach it to the stand while I was here and I guess they were in a hurry or something because they didn't attach all the screws in the base of the stand to begin with and the TV sort of fell about two inches to land on the floor. mad.gif

The TV did power up after they finished attaching it to the stand and I hope there are no lingering issues because of this. I guess I have 30 days.

So I downloaded the images from Evangelo's site and dropped them onto a 2GB flash drive which I inserted into the USB port. However, after powering up the TV and clicking "Viera Tools" and moving to "Media Player", I can't select Photos because it doesn't recognize the USB drive. Using Windows 7, I have since tried reformatting the drive from FAT to FAT32, exFAT, and NTFS, each time moving the jpegs back onto the drive after the format. I've repeatedly tried booting up the TV and getting it to recognize the flash drive, but to no avail. At the moment, I'm trying formatting in FAT32 under different allocation unit sizes.

Is there something I'm missing here? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks in advance! smile.gif
post #9252 of 13463
Hey all - I posted this on the LCD boards but I wanted to get some plasma owner's feedback...I'll just copy and paste..

I purchased a 55in Sony HX850 around the last week of December. I was coming from a 4yr old 52in Samsung 650 LCD (great TV). I must say I set it up, tried practically every custom calibration found on the "official owners thread" but I still didn't find the picture to be THAT impressive. I will even go as far as saying Direct TV HD actually looked WORSE on this Sony than my old Samsung, but that could be because of Direct TV's crappy compression. Of course service providers aren't the way to judge a TV so I even put in some Blu Rays and again just unimpressed. The colors appear to be washed out and not as vivid as I expected. Some of the dark scenes have a blue hue to them (i know that is a sony thing) but I've messed with the white balance to try and fix it but still ehhh just lack luster. I even thought I might have a defective set but I dont see any DSE or Banding, slight flashlighting but I assume that’s normal on any LED.

The reason I went with the Sony over a Panasonic Plasma was because of plamas IR issues and performance in ambient light. I don't have direct sunlight in my room but we have two large 80in windows that are behind you during tv watching so any ambient light is reflected. I must say the Sony's light filter does do a great job at minimizing reflections...

So anyway the reason I'm posting is because I was contemplating on returning the TV for the Panasonic GT50 or VT50. Am I just crazy and was hoping for too much of a PQ improvement coming from the old Samsung LCD? I was hoping to get some peoples inputs on this or maybe recommend even more calibration settings (if that is even possible haha). I plan on putting in star trek and transformers blu ray to see if I've just been watching terrible blu ray movies to test PQ...haha

Thanks!

I've never owned a plasma so I have always been bias toward LCD/LED. Can anyone confirm that the colors are THAT much more vivid than LCD/LED or is the main benefit of plasma really in the black levels?
post #9253 of 13463
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

The 2012's use bluetooth tech in the glasses. The PS3 uses infrared compatible with 2011 and 2010 tv's.

Thanks. Hopefully this will help others like me who didn't know that the 2012s use bluetooth!
post #9254 of 13463
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Originally Posted by LBJ2 View Post

Emclean07: Check that you are running the HDMI cable between HDMI #2 (ARC or Audio Return Channel) on the VT50 and your Receiver with a high-speed or HDMI 1.4 cable. Also, if your Receiver is 1.4 HDMI capable then you most likely have to turn "HDMI Control ON" on the Receiver and make sure your Receiver is tuned to the "TV" input.

I've got the elite sc-61 hooked up to Hdmi 2 on the TV. I'm pretty sure I had the receiver tuned to whatever input I had it on previously, which was Cab/sat for the directv box (I had the directv box turned off). Ill change the receiver to a different input and check to see if I have hdmi control on. My hdmi cables are pretty old and probably pre 1.4. I bought a bunch off of monoprice last week but I'm still waiting on them to arrive. Thank you the tips I'm going to mess with it when I get home from work today.
post #9255 of 13463
I purchased my 65VT50 before Christmas and I am now waiting for Chad to calibrate it. I have read this entire thread, as well as the settings thread, but I still have a question regarding the settings for my particular equipment. I have all of my equipment, including a Genie Directv satellite box and an Oppo 93 Blue Ray player, running through my Marantz AV7005 processor via HDMI cables to the TV. I have my Genie set to native and my AV7005 upconverting to 1080p the signal being fed to the TV. My question is should I also upconvert the Oppo 93 signal to 1080p or just pass the native signal on to the AV7005. This means double processing but would it result in a better picture because of the superior video chip in the Oppo? Any advice would be welcome. Thank you
post #9256 of 13463
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Originally Posted by GOSU View Post

My question is should I also upconvert the Oppo 93 signal to 1080p or just pass the native signal on to the AV7005. This means double processing but would it result in a better picture because of the superior video chip in the Oppo? Any advice would be welcome. Thank you

I wouldn't want the output from the Oppo touched, I would want it passed thru to the display.. I'm not even sure I would want the Marantz doing any processing but I'm not familiar with that model.

You are in great hands with Chad, he can also go over all this during his appointment and help with this.
post #9257 of 13463
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Originally Posted by Jagged68 View Post

Thanks. Hopefully this will help others like me who didn't know that the 2012s use bluetooth!
Will the 2013's use the same glasses, or are these being phased out?
post #9258 of 13463
Just wanted to follow-up on my earlier post from today. I found another flash drive (1gb) and for whatever reason, the TV decided to read the slides on that drive. I have since replaced the Evangelo slides with those posted by D-Nice at:

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=891

Following his setting criteria for those slides for North American VT50 displays, I take it I'll let these run for 100 hours and then try some custom calibration settings until I can have a professional out to the house to calibrate it. In the link I posted, I only saw custom settings for the ST50 and not the VT50 though so I suppose I'll try some user-settings and see what looks good.

Admittedly, I'm a bit of a newb and unfortunately with my job, I simply do not have the free time to read through 100's of posts looking for answers. So if there what I'm doing is not the correct thing to do when you first buy a VT50, let me know.

Also, if a calibration specialist is not able to come through Virginia within the next few months, is that okay? I just want to make sure that if after the 100 hours of prep is over, if I watch TV and movies for a couple of months, I haven't defeated the purpose of the pixel aging process. =)

Thanks!
post #9259 of 13463
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Originally Posted by Emclean07 View Post


Chunon / 7thSeal,

That's what I was afraid of and thank you for the honesty! I really need a pro to do it but that won't happen for a while. I didn't account for the professional calibration in my tv and receiver budget. I've got to think though, GS would be able to do a better job than I could. If he messes it up I guess I can raise cane at the store and try and get someone to fix it or just return the TV. I've still got a week and a half until my appointment to decide what I'll do. I'll look around for pros in the Atlanta area and price some out. In the mean time, I'll continue to run the slides day and night until I hit 200 hours. Thanks again!

Emclean,

Don't know if you thumbed through this review,

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt50b-p50vt50-201204101757.htm?page=Performance

but they did mention something that caught my attention. To paraphrase, they stated that after spending lots of time calibrating their test VT50, they felt that their results weren't a whole lot better than the THX cinema display preset available right out of the box!!! So as far as budget goes, I'd submit that you are fine. I plan to run test slides (I just started them today) and then go to the THX preset and let'er rip. I have a Spears and Munsil BD that I can then check out the THX against and if I feel the need, tweak things from there.

my $.02

B
post #9260 of 13463
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Originally Posted by BadClams View Post

Emclean,

Don't know if you thumbed through this review,

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt50b-p50vt50-201204101757.htm?page=Performance

but they did mention something that caught my attention. To paraphrase, they stated that after spending lots of time calibrating their test VT50, they felt that their results weren't a whole lot better than the THX cinema display preset available right out of the box!!! So as far as budget goes, I'd submit that you are fine. I plan to run test slides (I just started them today) and then go to the THX preset and let'er rip. I have a Spears and Munsil BD that I can then check out the THX against and if I feel the need, tweak things from there.

my $.02

B

BTW, that link I posted was talking about the euro model. This is important to differentiate because they aren't able to tweak the set to get the best from it due to power consumption constraints. I hope someone corrects me if I am misstating this. Although I have never had a pro calibrator, I have used controlcal to input Robnix's settings and I can say with certainty that the change was significant enough to get praise from even my wife, who tends not to bother with noticing such things.
post #9261 of 13463
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I have used controlcal to input Robnix's settings and I can say with certainty that the change was significant enough to get praise from even my wife, who tends not to bother with noticing such things.

Same with my wife lol, robnix is good with women. biggrin.gif

I've even been tempted to try his settings in 3D aswell but robnix mentioned that he'll dabble in 3D settings later on... I'll patiently wait. smile.gif
post #9262 of 13463
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Originally Posted by 7thSeal View Post

Same with my wife lol, robnix is good with women. biggrin.gif

I've even been tempted to try his settings in 3D aswell but robnix mentioned that he'll dabble in 3D settings later on... I'll patiently wait. smile.gif


Yes he is biggrin.gif

I can't wait for some good 3d settings either!
post #9263 of 13463
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Originally Posted by diamondbacvenomx View Post

Hey all - I posted this on the LCD boards but I wanted to get some plasma owner's feedback...I'll just copy and paste..

I purchased a 55in Sony HX850 around the last week of December. I was coming from a 4yr old 52in Samsung 650 LCD (great TV). I must say I set it up, tried practically every custom calibration found on the "official owners thread" but I still didn't find the picture to be THAT impressive. I will even go as far as saying Direct TV HD actually looked WORSE on this Sony than my old Samsung, but that could be because of Direct TV's crappy compression. Of course service providers aren't the way to judge a TV so I even put in some Blu Rays and again just unimpressed. The colors appear to be washed out and not as vivid as I expected. Some of the dark scenes have a blue hue to them (i know that is a sony thing) but I've messed with the white balance to try and fix it but still ehhh just lack luster. I even thought I might have a defective set but I dont see any DSE or Banding, slight flashlighting but I assume that’s normal on any LED.

The reason I went with the Sony over a Panasonic Plasma was because of plamas IR issues and performance in ambient light. I don't have direct sunlight in my room but we have two large 80in windows that are behind you during tv watching so any ambient light is reflected. I must say the Sony's light filter does do a great job at minimizing reflections...

So anyway the reason I'm posting is because I was contemplating on returning the TV for the Panasonic GT50 or VT50. Am I just crazy and was hoping for too much of a PQ improvement coming from the old Samsung LCD? I was hoping to get some peoples inputs on this or maybe recommend even more calibration settings (if that is even possible haha). I plan on putting in star trek and transformers blu ray to see if I've just been watching terrible blu ray movies to test PQ...haha

Thanks!

I've never owned a plasma so I have always been bias toward LCD/LED. Can anyone confirm that the colors are THAT much more vivid than LCD/LED or is the main benefit of plasma really in the black levels?


So this is a tough one to answer and you'll probably get lots of different viewpoints, but I'll share my answer. In the last two months I've owned both my first LCD/LED (samsung ES8000) and my first plasma (vt50 obviously). I returned the LCD for banding defects and ended up with the vt50. When I was in the showroom its funny how all I could appreciate was the brightness of my LCD. When I had to return it, I was quite disappointed to realize that getting a banding free one was impossible too. But having had both tvs in my living room for periods of time I've gotten to appreciate how much better the plasma picture really is and how not so subtle good PQ is once you've had to stare at it for a couple of hours with varied content. But I will say, my initial choice of LCD over plasma was based more on fear of IR than just the perceived PQ quality of the LCD. Thankfully I've overcome that fear, but recognize for different people and different viewing habits it could be a deal breaker.

The LCD had some serious pop on some scenes and I was a bit worried that I would never get that back with the new plasma vt. Now that I have my VT setup right I've got that 'pop' back. Although the LCD is able to produce much nicer brightness, the vt50 when calibrated seems to have the same brightness as my LCD when I had it dialed in. Where the LCD starts to fall down, imo, is in many scenes where its processors can't tweak the picture well (dynamic contrast etc) you end up with that washed out look because you are forced to see the tv picture closer to its raw form and you end up with very bad contrast since the tv is not allowed to cheat with its tweaks and is forced to use closer to its native contrast. One of the things I appreciate most about my plasma and its pq is that from scene to scene the colors and black/gray are consistent; the LCD was constantly trying to dim parts of the screen in some scenes via both software and hardware to the point where you would have quite a few cases where a scene is set in one room and when they switched camera angles the processors would make an object that looked light in one scene, dark in the other, and vice versa and the colors would be washed out sometimes, but then pop very well at other times (I really don't miss this).

Also, say you are looking at a field of red beutiful flowers on a scene, I've noticed on the plasma's picture I'm actually seeing all different types/shades of red that I never really noticed on my LCD/LED - could be that they were there before, but the improved contrast of the plasma is just 'highliting' it more for me, I don't really know except to say I see it and appreciate it. So if vivid means more color, then I give it to the plasma again.

So take this for what it is, I'm now biased by my LCD/plasma side by side experience and feel fortunate that I ended up with the plasma.

Hope that helps,
post #9264 of 13463
I feel you my 65VT50 started acting up recently,color bursts started showing up on the left and right top of the screen,had mine since June.A tech is coming out on Friday to check it out and repair it if possible.I took pictures of the screen while it washappening so I can show the tech was is going on
post #9265 of 13463
ACK!

So I noticed a dead pixel today while looking at the TV while running D-Nice's slides. It's black and in the lower right corner. Now that I've seen it, it cannot be unseen from even 8' away.

Is there any way to remedy this (something to run to get it to "pop" back)?

I bought the TV two days ago at Best Buy and it was delivered today so I'm well within the 30-day window. I just wonder if I should continue with the prep or go to the store and start the process to replace it.

For those of you who have replaced a set using Best Buy for their TV, am I supposed to somehow repack it myself or will they do that if they replace it (provided I hold onto the original packaging of course)?

Thanks for any help!

Best regards,
Einskaldir
post #9266 of 13463
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Originally Posted by Einskaldir View Post

ACK!

So I noticed a dead pixel today while looking at the TV while running D-Nice's slides. It's black and in the lower right corner. Now that I've seen it, it cannot be unseen from even 8' away.

Is there any way to remedy this (something to run to get it to "pop" back)?

I bought the TV two days ago at Best Buy and it was delivered today so I'm well within the 30-day window. I just wonder if I should continue with the prep or go to the store and start the process to replace it.

For those of you who have replaced a set using Best Buy for their TV, am I supposed to somehow repack it myself or will they do that if they replace it (provided I hold onto the original packaging of course)?

Thanks for any help!

Best regards,
Einskaldir

Exchange it my friend can't be fixed
post #9267 of 13463
Well, finally went and ordered my TV today. My previous Samsung died and could not be repaired. My 65VT50 will be delivered Thursday evening.
post #9268 of 13463
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

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Will the 2013's use the same glasses, or are these being phased out?

All the 2012's and up will be bluetooth so the 2013 tv's should be compatible with 2012 glasses. Pansonic is coming out with a fifth gen set of glasses to go along with the new tv's, most likely some minor improvements.
post #9269 of 13463
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Originally Posted by 7thSeal View Post

Same with my wife lol, robnix is good with women. biggrin.gif

I've even been tempted to try his settings in 3D aswell but robnix mentioned that he'll dabble in 3D settings later on... I'll patiently wait. smile.gif

LOL - Don't tell my wife cool.gif
post #9270 of 13463
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Originally Posted by Einskaldir View Post

ACK!

So I noticed a dead pixel today while looking at the TV while running D-Nice's slides. It's black and in the lower right corner. Now that I've seen it, it cannot be unseen from even 8' away.

Is there any way to remedy this (something to run to get it to "pop" back)?

I bought the TV two days ago at Best Buy and it was delivered today so I'm well within the 30-day window. I just wonder if I should continue with the prep or go to the store and start the process to replace it.

For those of you who have replaced a set using Best Buy for their TV, am I supposed to somehow repack it myself or will they do that if they replace it (provided I hold onto the original packaging of course)?

Thanks for any help!

Best regards,
Einskaldir
I read where one guy put a thin piece of plastic over the pixel and thumped it with his finger. It supposedly started working again. If you have the box, BB will take it. You don't have to re pack it.
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