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post #9301 of 13482
Add me to the list of owners smile.gif
can can one give me advise on using a PC via HDMI...Screen is slightly oversized cant see start button...
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Originally Posted by irisservice View Post

Add me to the list of owners smile.gif
can can one give me advise on using a PC via HDMI...Screen is slightly oversized cant see start button...

On the TV change picture size to Size 2.

Then for ATI cards go into your video card properties and turn overscan to 0%. Nvidia and Intel cards should just fit once you're in Size 2.
post #9303 of 13482
Thanks will i have to change it every time i switch back to Cable TV?
post #9304 of 13482
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Originally Posted by irisservice View Post

Thanks will i have to change it every time i switch back to Cable TV?
It depends on which of the VT50 inputs your PC and cable box are connected to.

The VT50 saves picture adjustment settings on a per-input basis, so if they are different inputs, once you make the adjusment on that input, it will be remembered. In addition, the aspect settings are saved on a "per input per source format" basis, so that the zoom mode you choose for a particular type of source format (4:3 or 16:9) will be remembered for each TV input.
post #9305 of 13482
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There are very few BB stores with the very high end Magnolia departments. Most Magnolia departments are not equipped to provide anything other than Geek calibrations. I always vote for calibrators that are known and reviewed here at AVS. See below. wink.gif
In the end why do none of the calibrators on the list network with best buy for work ? Easy BB could not pay them enough........
post #9306 of 13482
my 65" VT50 was delivered on Tuesday, and I got to say it's an awesome TV. coming from a Samsung ES8000, which suffered from severe banding, which I got a refund for, this Tv,as delivered, actually is close to my Pioneer FHD-1, that has been professionally calibrated. I am very impressed so far. Jeff Maier is going to calibrate this baby in April, and I cant wait.
post #9307 of 13482
Can someone please share how to unlock-activate the isf settings using the remote? I would sure like to know
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I just got bought my vt-55 (should have it in a few days. Some amazing deals out there). Anyway, this is my 1st 3d set. Bought the panny 3d glasses for the new 2012 sets and a 3d hdmi cable and have a ps3 for the blu ray. My question is what settings should I use out of the box. Anything I should do right away. I know I can't calibrate it yet but I am a rookie. Thanks!!
post #9309 of 13482
Can someone please explain, or provide a link as to what 4:4:4 means compared to 4:2:2
I have a panny 220 blu-ray player
Which setting should I use, and what settings should I have on this unit
post #9310 of 13482
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Originally Posted by DerekinMerrick View Post

I just got bought my vt-55 (should have it in a few days. Some amazing deals out there). Anyway, this is my 1st 3d set. Bought the panny 3d glasses for the new 2012 sets and a 3d hdmi cable and have a ps3 for the blu ray. My question is what settings should I use out of the box. Anything I should do right away. I know I can't calibrate it yet but I am a rookie. Thanks!!

I'd say go ahead and utilize the THX settings as they are way better than the default Standard settings. Just try to avoid bright static logos for a while and you shouldn't need to worry about a thing. Once you get some hours on the set, you can get a calibration or give some of the user settings on here a shot.
post #9311 of 13482
Does anyone know of a webcam that will work with the VT50 for things like Skype?
post #9312 of 13482
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

Can someone please explain, or provide a link as to what 4:4:4 means compared to 4:2:2

In Y Cb Cr, which is how disks are encoded, Y is the black and white image and Cb and Cr are the color components. It turns out that the eye is more sensitive to resolution with respect to Y than it is to Cb/Cr. So to improve compression the color information is stored at a lower resolution than the black and white image.

Disks are actually encoded 4:2:0. That effectively means that the color pixels are twice the size of the black and white pixels in each direction: 1 color pixel covers a 2x2 square of black and white pixels.

4:2:2 and 4:4:4 are created from what's encoded on the disk by the player. In 4:2:2 the color pixels are 2 black and white pixels wide but only 1 black and white pixel vertically. In 4:4:4 the size of the color and black and white pixels are the same.

Since what's encoded on the disk is 4:2:0, something in the display chain has to determine a color for each pixel on the screen. If your player does a better job of that then 4:4:4 is better. If not, then 4:2:2 is fine. Probably you won't see much of a difference.

All this only makes sense if the signal is being transmitted as Y Cb Cr. RGB is inherently "4:4:4" since the black and white image and color information have already been combined into individual pixels.
Roy
post #9313 of 13482
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Originally Posted by ruegway View Post

my 65" VT50 was delivered on Tuesday, and I got to say it's an awesome TV. coming from a Samsung ES8000, which suffered from severe banding, which I got a refund for, this Tv,as delivered, actually is close to my Pioneer FHD-1, that has been professionally calibrated. I am very impressed so far. Jeff Maier is going to calibrate this baby in April, and I cant wait.

Jeff calibrated my VT50 last Friday. You are in for a treat!
post #9314 of 13482
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Originally Posted by jconde View Post

Can someone please share how to unlock-activate the isf settings using the remote? I would sure like to know

You need additional software to unlock/create the ISF modes. Most of us use ControCal. It's a great piece of software used by professionals and consumers.
post #9315 of 13482
Hi- long time lurker. I just picked up a 65VT50 and had a quick question about how it interacts with my old Denon AVR2802. Unfortunately, my 2802 receiver has zero HDMI inputs- it's all component video. I therefore have my DVR and Blu-Ray player both plugged into my VT50 via HDMI and have an optical toslink cable in the Optical Out port on the tv going into one of my optical inputs on my receiver.

I get audio to pass through the television into the receiver for those two devices, but I can only get them to send a Pro Logic II signal. Oddly, when I play the native Netflix VT50 app, that passes through the same optical cable to the receiver as a Dolby Digital signal! The receiver supports Dolby Digital and DTS (and continues to do so for the old Xbox 360 I have connected directly to it in a separate optical input).

Does anyone know why I can only get Pro Logic II for external devices going through the VT50 vs. Dolby digital for the native tv apps and if there is a way to correct it? Am I stuck with Pro Logic for HDMI to optical pass through to my receiver? Seems odd since it's all digital signal that I'm dealing with. Why would that occur?

Of course, the eventual path would be to get a new receiver with HDMI inputs, but as many here can attest to, there's not much left in the piggy bank after procuring a 65VT50!

Thanks in advance for any help or guidance!
post #9316 of 13482
Not too many people to do an ISF calibration here. Best buy does it. do you think they are a scam? I had a great guy back in NY. But best buy does do it in my area. Not sure I trust them. Much cheaper though!!
post #9317 of 13482
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Originally Posted by DerekinMerrick View Post

Not too many people to do an ISF calibration here. Best buy does it. do you think they are a scam? I had a great guy back in NY. But best buy does do it in my area. Not sure I trust them. Much cheaper though!!

At first I was going to yell at you because I thought you meant "here" as in here on this forum! I re-read and believe you mean in your area, wherever that is. Several of the top professional calibrators travel the country. You just need to find out who will be in your area and get on their schedule. Best Buy cannot hurt you as long as they stay in the user menus. You can always factory reset.
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

At first I was going to yell at you because I thought you meant "here" as in here on this forum! I re-read and believe you mean in your area, wherever that is. Several of the top professional calibrators travel the country. You just need to find out who will be in your area and get on their schedule. Best Buy cannot hurt you as long as they stay in the user menus. You can always factory reset.

Where is the list again for calibrators in the SoCAL / Orange County area. I'm thinking of getting my VT50 calibrated later this year.
post #9319 of 13482
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

At first I was going to yell at you because I thought you meant "here" as in here on this forum! I re-read and believe you mean in your area, wherever that is. Several of the top professional calibrators travel the country. You just need to find out who will be in your area and get on their schedule. Best Buy cannot hurt you as long as they stay in the user menus. You can always factory reset.

Oh god no. The best guy I found on here. I just don't know about Best Buy. They only charge 199 though. That is a perk. But I want the same quality as what I had found on this site
post #9320 of 13482
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Originally Posted by billjust View Post

Hi- long time lurker. I just picked up a 65VT50 and had a quick question about how it interacts with my old Denon AVR2802. Unfortunately, my 2802 receiver has zero HDMI inputs- it's all component video. I therefore have my DVR and Blu-Ray player both plugged into my VT50 via HDMI and have an optical toslink cable in the Optical Out port on the tv going into one of my optical inputs on my receiver.

I get audio to pass through the television into the receiver for those two devices, but I can only get them to send a Pro Logic II signal. Oddly, when I play the native Netflix VT50 app, that passes through the same optical cable to the receiver as a Dolby Digital signal! The receiver supports Dolby Digital and DTS (and continues to do so for the old Xbox 360 I have connected directly to it in a separate optical input).

Does anyone know why I can only get Pro Logic II for external devices going through the VT50 vs. Dolby digital for the native tv apps and if there is a way to correct it? Am I stuck with Pro Logic for HDMI to optical pass through to my receiver? Seems odd since it's all digital signal that I'm dealing with. Why would that occur?

Of course, the eventual path would be to get a new receiver with HDMI inputs, but as many here can attest to, there's not much left in the piggy bank after procuring a 65VT50!

Thanks in advance for any help or guidance!

I think you'd really benefit from getting one of the newer 300$ dennons that have audyssey multieq, support audio delay/lipsynch, and can pass through the 3d signal. You just bought the type of tv you'd really want to upgrade around smile.gif If you just want 5.1 go see the dennon 1612 - good value.

But to answer your question I'm pretty sure you can't get the 5.1 signal unless you go direct from your BR to your AVR via optical.
post #9321 of 13482
I have ran into an issue with my TC-P55VT50. I done some searching but I couldnt find anything. I use an Onkyo tx-nr807 receiver to handle all my components including my pc's hdmi connection which is where the issue is. When I switch to that input the image is slightly off center, mostly it goes slightly off to the right but sometimes it will be the left. So in other words, its not doing a 1:1 mapping like it should when I switch back to the input. The only way ive found that keeps this from happening every time i switch inputs is to leave the tv or switch it over to a THX mode. When I do this I can see the image center and become 1:1 mapped. I have been using custom mode on the tv while it breaks in a little, just got it yesterday. I have tried various things to see if I can keep this from happening including trying different pc's and cables, settings on the pc, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions? My Samsung tv never had this problem.
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Originally Posted by sk11vengeance View Post

I have ran into an issue with my TC-P55VT50. I done some searching but I couldnt find anything. I use an Onkyo tx-nr807 receiver to handle all my components including my pc's hdmi connection which is where the issue is. When I switch to that input the image is slightly off center, mostly it goes slightly off to the right but sometimes it will be the left. So in other words, its not doing a 1:1 mapping like it should when I switch back to the input. The only way ive found that keeps this from happening every time i switch inputs is to leave the tv or switch it over to a THX mode. When I do this I can see the image center and become 1:1 mapped. I have been using custom mode on the tv while it breaks in a little, just got it yesterday. I have tried various things to see if I can keep this from happening including trying different pc's and cables, settings on the pc, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions? My Samsung tv never had this problem.


probably a dumb question, but do you have the pixel orbiter enabled on your input you are having problems with ? each input has its own memory so maybe you have something enabled on one input mode that you don't on the other.
post #9323 of 13482
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I think you'd really benefit from getting one of the newer 300$ dennons that have audyssey multieq, support audio delay/lipsynch, and can pass through the 3d signal. You just bought the type of tv you'd really want to upgrade around smile.gif If you just want 5.1 go see the dennon 1612 - good value.

But to answer your question I'm pretty sure you can't get the 5.1 signal unless you go direct from your BR to your AVR via optical.

Thanks for the fast response. I'm fascinated how it loses 5.1 in translation somewhere in the hand-off between HDMI and optical. It's obviously a limitation of the tv bringing in audio via HDMI since, as I mentioned, it's sending 5.1 to the receiver for its Netflix app (and I presume the other apps native to the tv). Has this limitation been documented somewhere?
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Originally Posted by billjust View Post

Thanks for the fast response. I'm fascinated how it loses 5.1 in translation somewhere in the hand-off between HDMI and optical. It's obviously a limitation of the tv bringing in audio via HDMI since, as I mentioned, it's sending 5.1 to the receiver for its Netflix app (and I presume the other apps native to the tv). Has this limitation been documented somewhere?

It's caused by the DRM associated with HDMI. The TV will not pass any 5.1 audio from an HDMI source to any device not connected with HDMI. OTA 5.1, and streaming app 5.1 aren't bound by this limitation.
post #9325 of 13482
Billjust - its not the TV, all TV's will have the problem. Its an HDMI industry thing. Its one of the main reasons I had to upgrade my AVR. Thankfully the improvement in sound from the Audyssey made me not as pissed off about it.

edit: exactly what Robnix said.
post #9326 of 13482
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Originally Posted by KGB173 View Post

Where is the list again for calibrators in the SoCAL / Orange County area. I'm thinking of getting my VT50 calibrated later this year.

I lost the link, but find one of Turbe's posts or just PM him your display model and city and he will shoot you a list of qualified calibrators. Someone else may have that information handy as well.

Good luck!

P.S. I know that Jeff Meier makes trips to SoCal and he would be worth contacting for a schedule. His website is accucalhd.com
post #9327 of 13482
What is the stated purpose of not letting a TV be a 5.1 audio switching device?
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

What is the stated purpose of not letting a TV be a 5.1 audio switching device?

although I really don't know, my wild guess would be that its probably more of a bitrate deal where the HDMI signal is of a bandwidth/format that can't just be converted over to be optical friendly. The bluray player can decode the source for either the HDMI or optical out, once its sent it off via HDMI though, it probably just can't transition to be optical bandwidth friendly and I bet converting/translating it is a bigger deal than just decoding it at the bluray player for the right output.
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

probably a dumb question, but do you have the pixel orbiter enabled on your input you are having problems with ? each input has its own memory so maybe you have something enabled on one input mode that you don't on the other.

Thats probably it, I didnt see that option in the setup menu until now when I looked further down the list where it was hiding. Thanks!
post #9330 of 13482
I was told by one of the moderators to combine these posts of my experience in a recent calibration service of my 2 TV's. This is to share with all owners of both TV's. Calibration was done by Robert Busch. Below are quotes from another thread of mine in the Calibration Forums. TV's calibrated were a Sony XBR950 (55") and a Panasonic VT50 (55"):


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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Hey guys, just want to report that Robert came out today as planned and we got both TV's done (at separate locations btw).

I am very satisfied with the work done. Couldn't be happier. He was right on time as scheduled and was extremely knowledgeable with his work and the way he executed it as well. His equipment was top notch and seemed very well maintained (up to date and serviced, etc..) at that. His knowledge of both TV's (and our BDP's) was superb.

From this experience and from the outcome I can honestly say I would highly recommend Robert Busch to anyone in the Bay Area looking for professional Calibration.



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Originally Posted by chunon View Post


Glad it went well, I'd be interested in hearing your comparisons between the VT50 and your Sony 950. How do they look when both calibrated ?

Hey, good question ! You know, I just didn't want to clog up this thread by giving out this info here and talking about it, but since you asked biggrin.gif , now I can !

Regardless of what others may want to say about each technology these TV's use (the obvious Plasma vs LCD debates) both these TV's are just great sets out the box. (NOW IMO) Out the box the XBR950 looks a touch more "toony" and razor sharp like (not in a bad way though, its character just leans more that way out the box). Out the box the VT50 looks rather the opposite, and not so much in a good way (IMO) all the presets (Cinema, THX, etc..) either look too dark or too pushed and all with some sort of hazy colored haze over the pictures background (again, IMO), and its a rather "soft" picture. So thats what we're dealing with (just for a little precursor info).

When Robert came over (from the way everyone speaks about the VT50) I/we were expecting the VT50 to of course calibrate way better, easier (due to ISF mode) and then obviously look way better than the XBR950 too. Literally to a point where a few professionals (priorly) pre-warned me to not expect the XBR950 to ever calibrate and look like the VT50, cause it just can't. I could totally understand that, especially from seeing them out the box, and also understanding the 2 different technologies, etc.. So I was expecting that as well, and had accepted it.

Ok (extremely long story short) - lol, after calibration, both sets almost looked identical ! On top of that EVERY aspect I mentioned earlier about the "out of box" impression of both TV's totally went away and they both looked so "correct" and stunningly deep, rich with "pop factor". I was amazed (and others were too) from the XBR950 really. Only because we didn't expect it to look as close to the VT50. Color wise, they were spot on to each other. Other characteristics though were indicative of the sets though, for instance the VT50 has no "bloom" what-so-ever and its viewing angle is just the most excellent I've ever seen. Where-as the XBR950, if you are not looking at it dead center white text over a black background has "bloom" and once your off center, the color representation, contrast, shadowing, etc.. begins to deteriorate and badly.

That said though, and the point to all this, is, after calibration, IF you sat dead center in front of the XBR950, these sets looked ridiculously close to each other. Color, spot on for sure. So much that indeed, we both were very surprised and amazed. The VT50 IMO holds a SLIGHTLY better picture though when there is "hard light" in the background of a scene. It is slight, but the XBR950 makes it look slightly more washed out and the VT50 just holds it perfect to everything else in the foreground. Again, this is slight. And again, it is surprising how awesomely close to the VT50 this XBR950 looks once their both calibrated AND how awesome they both look period, compared to how they looked out of the box.

There actually has been a few scenes I've come across where the XBR950 looks better and presents the scene better than the VT50 even ! But again, they are ridiculously close to each other visually, and even spectrum wise as well from the gear's analysis. So Sony has really done something on this new XBR950 for sure ! The VT50, well man, its a VT50 doing what you expect it to do. The XBR950 is doing beyond what was expected. (if thats a good way to put it ?)
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