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post #9721 of 12280
1/28/13 at 7:06pm
Well I have been gaming and watching what ever I want and I don't have any IR that I can see, of course I have had the tv for less than a week. Having said that I just had the tv turn off for no reason in the middle of playing Halo(and yes I died because of it mad.gif). This is the second time this has happened. So is this kind of common or no? I have it plugged into a power strip so I'll try directly to the wall. It does seem to turn back on with the remote however i use a Harmony one and it wouldn't turn it back on so I had to get the tv remote. I did search for this problem but I only found the one post about the tv that wouldn't turn on until they powered off the power strip. Not sure whether I should be concerned or not. It for sure doesn't give me the warm fuzzies though!
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post #9722 of 12280
1/28/13 at 8:48pm
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Best Buy geek squad did mine. Do yourself a favor and select one of the handful of calibrators that this forum highly recommends and try to catch them on "tour". I am lucky enough to live pretty close to Jeff Meier and he came out to my house on a Saturday. My TV looks amazing.
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post #9723 of 12280
1/28/13 at 8:50pm
Does anyone know of a way to eliminate overscan for the SD input resolutions? When receiving 480i or 480p signals via the component video input, my VT50 stays at about 2.5% overscan. I haven't tested 480p via HDMI, or 720p via either component or HDMI, but I am assuming they will do the same thing. I am really hoping this overscan can be eliminated in the service menu.
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post #9724 of 12280
1/28/13 at 9:01pm
hey all, new VT50 owner here...lame question but my setup won't allow for a true AVR setup w/ surround speakers. With that, I'd still like to get the best sound out of the actual TV speakers. Does anyone have audio settings that work best for the TV's own speakers?
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post #9725 of 12280
1/28/13 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

Does anyone know of a way to eliminate overscan for the SD input resolutions? When receiving 480i or 480p signals via the component video input, my VT50 stays at about 2.5% overscan. I haven't tested 480p via HDMI, or 720p via either component or HDMI, but I am assuming they will do the same thing.
I assume you have set "Size 2" when on that input. Without it, you will always have overscan.

For 4:3 signals, if you choose "4:3" from the aspect ratio settings, it will very slightly overscan to remove the blanking interval and other junk. That's probably what you are seeing and you wouldn't like it if this was disabled for TV channels. For 4:3 signals that are clean (DVDs, etc.), you should set the source device to send so that you can use the "Full" setting to get the right aspect ratio.
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I am really hoping this overscan can be eliminated in the service menu.
You really shouldn't touch the service menu on these TVs. Even a full calibration can be done without touching the service menu.
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post #9726 of 12280
1/29/13 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

Does anyone know of a way to eliminate overscan for the SD input resolutions? When receiving 480i or 480p signals via the component video input, my VT50 stays at about 2.5% overscan. I haven't tested 480p via HDMI, or 720p via either component or HDMI, but I am assuming they will do the same thing. I am really hoping this overscan can be eliminated in the service menu.
no overscan is only supported with an HD input resolution, 720p or 1080i or 1080p.
480i/480p will always have 2.5% cutoff on each edge of the screen.
Most sources nowadays can upconvert SD signals with upconverting DVD players and HD cable boxes, etc.
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post #9727 of 12280
1/29/13 at 5:32am
I thought 480p was ED, not SD
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post #9728 of 12280
1/29/13 at 5:35am
Is there an app for the iphone 5 to be able to use voice recognition to fill in the search bar on youtube?
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post #9729 of 12280
1/29/13 at 7:12am
Hey guys, I'm kinda having regrets about getting the 65vt50. To me it seems overly large for my bedroom. My distance is 7 to 13 ft from the edge of my bed to the headboard. I was thinking of returning and waiting for 60 inch vt60. I'm trying to convince myself that it is ok since this 65 I got is probably cheaper than the 60 inch will be. I posted this pic already but just in case no one saw it I'll post again. My bedroom is 13x13, the tv looks smaller in the pic than in person. Please help haha, I've had since Friday but am not getting use to the size. Got it for $2399.
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post #9730 of 12280
1/29/13 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by huntingbears View Post

Hey guys, I'm kinda having regrets about getting the 65vt50. To me it seems overly large for my bedroom. My distance is 7 to 13 ft from the edge of my bed to the headboard. I was thinking of returning and waiting for 60 inch vt60. I'm trying to convince myself that it is ok since this 65 I got is probably cheaper than the 60 inch will be. I posted this pic already but just in case no one saw it I'll post again. My bedroom is 13x13, the tv looks smaller in the pic than in person. Please help haha, I've had since Friday but am not getting use to the size. Got it for $2399.

Is too big ever a bad thing in the bedroom? :-)
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post #9731 of 12280
1/29/13 at 7:22am
I posted this in the "what tv" forum, but wanted to post it here also to see if anyone has input.


Hi Everyone,
I’m looking to purchase a new tv and have been looking at the Panasonic TC-P65VT50 and the Sharp LC-70LE845U. Right now both are right around $2900.

From my research, it looks like the Panasonic has a better picture, but how much more? The Sharp is 5” larger.

Budget - $3000
Seating distance - 15 feet
Size – 65” or 70” Will be wall mounted.
Room lighting – lots of natural light in room, but it can be controlled. TV will be mostly watched at night.

The TV will be used only a few hours a week, mostly for BD viewing and some cable tv. Not much sports and no video games. Mostly interested in which ones handles 24p better. This will be connected to a Marantz amp and bd player.

I’ve attached a photo of our current tv which is 55”. The outer blue pieces of tape represent the size of the Sharp the inner ones the Panasonic.

Is the Panasonic that much better with picture quality that it would be worth giving up 5” of tv?

Please reply as soon as you can. I have the Sharp on order and will arrive on February 1st. Didn’t know about the Panasonic until yesterday.



Thanks!
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post #9732 of 12280
1/29/13 at 7:27am
I just arranged a return with Amazon for our 55VT50 due to the fan noise issue I described in Post #9596 on Page 320 of this thread. I will be sorry to see it go because I love the picture quality, but I could not live the with increased noise floor created by the constant hum/buzz of the fans. I am jealous of those who do not have this issue, and I thought about trying another sample, but at this point we will likely wait for the 2013 Tvs to come out and then see if there is a nice deal on a new (and fan-less!) Panny plasma or possibly the upcoming Sony KDL-55W900A. Thanks to all who responded to my original post.
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post #9733 of 12280
1/29/13 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by nova-guy View Post

I posted this in the "what tv" forum, but wanted to post it here also to see if anyone has input.


Hi Everyone,
I’m looking to purchase a new tv and have been looking at the Panasonic TC-P65VT50 and the Sharp LC-70LE845U. Right now both are right around $2900.

From my research, it looks like the Panasonic has a better picture, but how much more? The Sharp is 5” larger.

Budget - $3000
Seating distance - 15 feet
Size – 65” or 70” Will be wall mounted.
Room lighting – lots of natural light in room, but it can be controlled. TV will be mostly watched at night.

The TV will be used only a few hours a week, mostly for BD viewing and some cable tv. Not much sports and no video games. Mostly interested in which ones handles 24p better. This will be connected to a Marantz amp and bd player.

I’ve attached a photo of our current tv which is 55”. The outer blue pieces of tape represent the size of the Sharp the inner ones the Panasonic.

Is the Panasonic that much better with picture quality that it would be worth giving up 5” of tv?

Please reply as soon as you can. I have the Sharp on order and will arrive on February 1st. Didn’t know about the Panasonic until yesterday.



Thanks!

Just brought my GT50 home the other day in a bright room and am thinking I made the wrong call, not enough ooomph for the bright room I think.
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post #9734 of 12280
1/29/13 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by nick-t View Post

Is too big ever a bad thing in the bedroom? :-)
haha, I guess not
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post #9735 of 12280
1/29/13 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by huntingbears View Post

Hey guys, I'm kinda having regrets about getting the 65vt50. To me it seems overly large for my bedroom. My distance is 7 to 13 ft from the edge of my bed to the headboard. I was thinking of returning and waiting for 60 inch vt60. I'm trying to convince myself that it is ok since this 65 I got is probably cheaper than the 60 inch will be. I posted this pic already but just in case no one saw it I'll post again. My bedroom is 13x13, the tv looks smaller in the pic than in person. Please help haha, I've had since Friday but am not getting use to the size. Got it for $2399.

I sit about 8.5 feet away from my 65" VT50. According to some guidelines that's about the perfect distance for a 30 degree field of view. Your viewing distance produces a viewing angle of 20.6 degrees (13 feet) to 37 degrees (7 feet). THX recommends between 26 degrees and 36 degrees. SMPTE recommends 30 degrees.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html
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post #9736 of 12280
1/29/13 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

no overscan is only supported with an HD input resolution, 720p or 1080i or 1080p.
480i/480p will always have 2.5% cutoff on each edge of the screen.
Most sources nowadays can upconvert SD signals with upconverting DVD players and HD cable boxes, etc.

So there is no way to eliminate the overscan for 480i/480p signals? Not even in the service menu?

Here is my dilemma: I have a couple of older video game systems that only have component video outputs and can only do 480i/480p. So, if there isn't a way to get rid of the overscan for those resolutions, I guess I will be stuck with the 2.5% cutoff. Not a big deal for video games. But for watching DVDs, I hate having any overscan whatsoever.

I suppose for watching DVDs, I could just play them back in either my DVD or BD player, and output a 1080p signal to the tv. That should produce 0% overscan. However, DVD sources use Rec.601 for color instead of the HD standard of Rec.709. I would think that watching a DVD that is being upscaled from the player at 1080p would be inaccurate color-wise. With 1080p input signals, the tv locks into its HD color matrix. With 480i signals, it locks into its SD color matrix. With 480p signals, you get the option of selecting either the 480i or 480p color matrix.

Ideally, I would be able to use the SD color matrix for DVD and video game playback, but not have that 2.5% overscan to deal with. At this point, it sounds like I will not be able to have it both ways - unless there is a way to eliminate that overscan in the service menu. That would hopefully solve both my issues at once.
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post #9737 of 12280
1/29/13 at 8:03am
nick-t - in case you haven't tried; trying turning on the custom mode and playing with some of the settings in there that bump up the brightness
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post #9738 of 12280
1/29/13 at 8:06am
I have given it a shot and I just don't have a fine eye for it, I either have it too low or not contrasty enough. I don't even know the terms. Is there a better way than trial and error?
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post #9739 of 12280
1/29/13 at 8:16am
Well I wasn't thinking of you messing with the color etc, but more of options like the 'panel brightness' and setting it to high- you'll find them in the advanced settings part. There's even a contour enhancement etc. Just keep contrast at 100 and brightness at 50 defaults while playing.

Also, if you check out Robnix's ISF Day settings file in the settings thread, you can get his settings and input them directly into custom. Although its called 'day' I would treat it closer to a night setting - but he got great contrast/brightness and color on my set.

can also try wmwilker's Day settings
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post #9740 of 12280
1/29/13 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

I suppose for watching DVDs, I could just play them back in either my DVD or BD player, and output a 1080p signal to the tv. That should produce 0% overscan. However, DVD sources use Rec.601 for color instead of the HD standard of Rec.709. I would think that watching a DVD that is being upscaled from the player at 1080p would be inaccurate color-wise. With 1080p input signals, the tv locks into its HD color matrix. With 480i signals, it locks into its SD color matrix. With 480p signals, you get the option of selecting either the 480i or 480p color matrix.

I certainly hope not: I run an extensive DVD library at 1080p/24 using an Oppo.

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post #9741 of 12280
1/29/13 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by nova-guy View Post

Hi Everyone,
I’m looking to purchase a new tv and have been looking at the Panasonic TC-P65VT50 and the Sharp LC-70LE845U. Right now both are right around $2900.
Thanks!
If it is mainly at night, the 65VT50 all the way. The Sharp does not stand a chance when it comes to overall picture quality. If your viewing is during the day, the Sharp will do better, however no unit is impressive in a bright room. So the Sharp is better in a bright room, however the Panasonic will smoke the Sharp in every other aspect........ 5" is almost not noticeable as far as the size goes. Now if you do want a bigger set and actually want to notice it is bigger, buy the 80" Sharp wink.gif

--I would check that price too, as you can do way better than that.
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post #9742 of 12280
1/29/13 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by nova-guy View Post

I posted this in the "what tv" forum, but wanted to post it here also to see if anyone has input.


Hi Everyone,
I’m looking to purchase a new tv and have been looking at the Panasonic TC-P65VT50 and the Sharp LC-70LE845U. Right now both are right around $2900.

From my research, it looks like the Panasonic has a better picture, but how much more? The Sharp is 5” larger.

Budget - $3000
Seating distance - 15 feet
Size – 65” or 70” Will be wall mounted.
Room lighting – lots of natural light in room, but it can be controlled. TV will be mostly watched at night.

The TV will be used only a few hours a week, mostly for BD viewing and some cable tv. Not much sports and no video games. Mostly interested in which ones handles 24p better. This will be connected to a Marantz amp and bd player.

I’ve attached a photo of our current tv which is 55”. The outer blue pieces of tape represent the size of the Sharp the inner ones the Panasonic.

Is the Panasonic that much better with picture quality that it would be worth giving up 5” of tv?

Please reply as soon as you can. I have the Sharp on order and will arrive on February 1st. Didn’t know about the Panasonic until yesterday.


Thanks!

I totally agree with Chris. Based on your use case (mostly at night, but even then you can control daylight sufficiently) the Panasonic is a no-brainer for picture quality. I have not seen the Aquos in person, but based on Chris' response I say go Panasonic 65" unless size is your number 1 concern. Let us know what you do!
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post #9743 of 12280
1/29/13 at 10:54am
I see the VT50 vs 845U on a daily basis at work. The Sharp is brighter in torch mode, that's it, otherwise the VT50 blows it away in every respect.
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post #9744 of 12280
1/29/13 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

I have not seen the Aquos in person, but based on Chris' response I say go Panasonic 65" unless size is your number 1 concern. Let us know what you do!

I was considering the 80" version of the Sharp but opted to go with the Panasonic 65VT50. I mentioned that to the BB delivery guys and they were happy to tell me that I made the right choice in their opinion. An amusing comment one of them made about the Sharp: "The only thing it is is big".
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1/29/13 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by ShowbizPizza View Post

So there is no way to eliminate the overscan for 480i/480p signals? Not even in the service menu?

Here is my dilemma: I have a couple of older video game systems that only have component video outputs and can only do 480i/480p. So, if there isn't a way to get rid of the overscan for those resolutions, I guess I will be stuck with the 2.5% cutoff. Not a big deal for video games. But for watching DVDs, I hate having any overscan whatsoever.

I suppose for watching DVDs, I could just play them back in either my DVD or BD player, and output a 1080p signal to the tv. That should produce 0% overscan. However, DVD sources use Rec.601 for color instead of the HD standard of Rec.709. I would think that watching a DVD that is being upscaled from the player at 1080p would be inaccurate color-wise. With 1080p input signals, the tv locks into its HD color matrix. With 480i signals, it locks into its SD color matrix. With 480p signals, you get the option of selecting either the 480i or 480p color matrix.

Ideally, I would be able to use the SD color matrix for DVD and video game playback, but not have that 2.5% overscan to deal with. At this point, it sounds like I will not be able to have it both ways - unless there is a way to eliminate that overscan in the service menu. That would hopefully solve both my issues at once.

No there is no way to remove overscan on 480i/480p sources even in the service menu. Only the Size1/Size2 setting does that and thats only available with HD sources.
I haven't noticed any incorrect color with upconverting DVD titles with an upconverting DVD or Blu-Ray player, they probably convert the color standard correctly as part of the upconversion to 1080p process.
Some A/V receivers can upconvert SD sources to HD as well, if you need that feature with old SD-only sources.
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post #9746 of 12280
1/29/13 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Well I wasn't thinking of you messing with the color etc, but more of options like the 'panel brightness' and setting it to high- you'll find them in the advanced settings part. There's even a contour enhancement etc. Just keep contrast at 100 and brightness at 50 defaults while playing.

Also, if you check out Robnix's ISF Day settings file in the settings thread, you can get his settings and input them directly into custom. Although its called 'day' I would treat it closer to a night setting - but he got great contrast/brightness and color on my set.

can also try wmwilker's Day settings


Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Myabe just try THX bright?

Mo, did you have a ES8000 for a while, I thought I saw your nme ovetr there going through old posts. If so, what did you think? Why did you go away from it? Assuming you have a VT50?
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1/29/13 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

No there is no way to remove overscan on 480i/480p sources even in the service menu. Only the Size1/Size2 setting does that and thats only available with HD sources.
I haven't noticed any incorrect color with upconverting DVD titles with an upconverting DVD or Blu-Ray player, they probably convert the color standard correctly as part of the upconversion to 1080p process.
Some A/V receivers can upconvert SD sources to HD as well, if you need that feature with old SD-only sources.

Thanks for the help. To avoid the overscan, I will just output 1080p from my BD player for watching DVDs. I guess since DVDs weren't originally meant to be played on HD displays means the color accuracy between Rec.601 and Rec.709 is a moot point. The end result is that it will be shown at 1080p, so color conversion is a requirement. I forgot that since my older video game systems are much lower resolution than my display, they will output a sizable black bar all around the edges of the screen. Having some overscan in this case is actually a good thing.
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post #9748 of 12280
1/29/13 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by nick-t View Post

Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Myabe just try THX bright?

Mo, did you have a ES8000 for a while, I thought I saw your nme ovetr there going through old posts. If so, what did you think? Why did you go away from it? Assuming you have a VT50?

THX bright is fine of course, but custom has something that a lot like in the 'pop' department.

As to my es8000. I did have one. If you click on all posts by me you'll see that I have a few lengthy writeups on what was going on with my experiences. In a nutshell I was coming from a CRT that had amazing quality, but could of course only do 540p/1080i. I originally returned the es for banding (although there were quite a few other problems that I considered livable at the time). In retrospect now that I've seen what good PQ and uniformity look like on the vt50 I consider the banding on the es a gift from God that got me to such a wonderful tv as this one.

To put it in an even smaller nutshell: my wife and I literally pause the tv to give each other a fist bump nightly biggrin.gif
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1/29/13 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by danielrhall View Post

I was considering the 80" version of the Sharp but opted to go with the Panasonic 65VT50. I mentioned that to the BB delivery guys and they were happy to tell me that I made the right choice in their opinion. An amusing comment one of them made about the Sharp: "The only thing it is is big".
Yep and that's the trade off in this case. A decent 80" unit VS the best TV sold today but only 65". Tough choice to some.......
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post #9750 of 12280
1/29/13 at 11:36pm
I have a Panny BDT220 now and the reviews say “reference-quality Blu-ray playback" Just wondering if the new Oppo would deliver better playback (that I would notice) and someone said they were up converting their set top box to 1080p with the Oppo. Would I notice a difference there? Thanks. (VT65)
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