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post #9961 of 13476
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

You're sure, or you know as a fact from experience?

It is very easily switched with 5 total button presses and takes about 2 seconds. Menu > Enter > Scroll left or right (they are next to eachother) > Enter > Exit
post #9962 of 13476
Regardingt the green vertical line at the right side of the screen during the Superbowl, I would not worry. That was visible only in THX mode and THX mode doesn't do overscan. So maybe CBS did not bother getting rid of that. I have XFINITY. If you switched to any other mode, the green line was gone
post #9963 of 13476
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Originally Posted by omatzyo View Post

Well that's unfortunate. I already have the swap scheduled. So at a minimum I can contribute to the knowledge/experience pool here.

I tried the STB in 720p and the picture seemed gooey or blurry. You don't have that problem?

definitely not blurry. for comparison purposes I use TimeWarner via their scientific atlanta box.
post #9964 of 13476
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Originally Posted by tex94 View Post

I am in the early stages of buying a new TV to replace my 2006 52” Sharp LCD. This time I am really looking for high quality and am trying to decide between an LED-LCD like the Sharp Elite 60” or a Plasma like the Panasonic VT60 or the upcoming ZT60. I also looked at Samsungs and Sonys for the LCD but neither had that same PQ I am looking for.

Here is what my setup is like:
• Approx. 15’ x 15’ family room
• Lots of windows and south facing, but rarely any direct sunlight on the TV itself
• Recessed overhead lighting only
• TV mounted fairly high above fireplace, roughly 48+” up
• 5.1 sound system with Pioneer AVR, Energy speakers and sub

So what I am struggling with most is the light in the room. At least 50% of the TV time is during daylight hours (wife and kids) but when I watch I turn off the lights and close the curtains. At first I was leaning toward the Elite because I figured the LED would be better for daylight TV watching but I understand their later production runs might be flawed and the TV might be discontinued (true?). So that leaves me thinking about plasma but is the reflection going to be too much? I hear that the newer LED TVs are also much more reflective so maybe it doesn’t make a difference?

Thoughts? Suggestions?

LCD's are still a great choice but if your going to be watching a lot of Blu-Rays, I would highly recommend a Plasma. Not putting LCD's or LED's down but from my experiences, Plasmas are the way to go for Blu-Ray viewing.

However, Sharp makes just as good Plasmas as well.
Just a couple of minor points. The sets that manufacturers label as LED displays are LCD displays with a LED back light. Mostly they are edge lit which can be a disadvantage. The Sharp Elite models and the top of the line Sony are full LED back lit. The displays that manufacturers label as LCD are LCD panels with a phosphorescent full back light. The only place I've seen them is in the small low end of the current models.

Sharp doesn't make plasma displays. You probably meant Samsung. Of course both Panasonic and Samsung plasma displays have their own unique strong and weak points.
post #9965 of 13476
Okay, thanks for the correction. I didn't know that Sharp didn't make Plasmas. I heard of their Elite series and that they had a lot of strong points. Everyone kept pushing me towards the VT50 so I ended-up with that. Thanks again for the correction. I'm here to learn. wink.gif
post #9966 of 13476
Got my 65VT50 and all I can say is I am glad I jumped on that Paul's deal coming from my original 720p Samsung HP-S5073 plasma (bought brand new when it hit the market for well over $3k). I've only got a few hours on it so far, using the suggested break-in settings I've seen in this thread, and even with these basic toned down settings, I am amazed at the picture quality. The best way I described it to my buddy is that I have new window on the wall that lets me look onto a movie/TV studio. I cannot wait to get around 100 hours on it, apply some of the user posted settings, and see some of the fuller potential that can be unleashed. I know the settings won't be as perfected as a pro calibration, but try justifying that to the wife after spending money on this TV, 3D glasses for a family of 5, some cables needed for connecting to my sources, my new Denon 3312CI, and ControlCal. The wife is just not having it...haha

The Free White Glove delivery from Paul's was a joke. Not that it was a direct reflection of Paul's TV as a store or as a damn good deal on this TV, but more of the sub-contracted local delivery service (seems like they were a sub-contractor of Home Direct USA delivery services). I will say that they were on time, showing up about an hour into my 4 hour window. So an Enterprise Rental moving style truck pulls up, and two unprofessional looking 'men' deliver the TV, wheel it into my 1st floor Great Room where it was to be mounted. They set it on the floor, told me they needed a signature, and would be on their way. I told them that I was told there was white glove delivery included, and I wanted to check the TV over, make sure it worked and had no defects. One of the guys bolted for the door, sat in the truck the rest of the time. I assisted the other with taking the box off, unwrapping the layers of styra-foam sheets and packaging, and plugging into the wall. It turned on, I didn't notice any scratches or cracks, and the guy was done. No taking the set completely out of the box, no putting the stand together and setting on top of......nada. It was like pulling teeth to get anything from them that I would consider 'white glove'. I've never had a white glove delivery before, but this did not leave a happy, fuzzy feeling with me. Hopefully Paul's TV will perform some type of QA on their delivery services and step up to customer expectations and satisfaction.

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Other than that, I have a curiosity. Previous to installing this TV, I have been streaming media content from my PS3 (hard wired to my home network). My PS3 will stream from my PC via the PS3 Media Center software. Now that I have a 'Smart TV' capable of DNLA, I'd like to see what DNLA server/service (including version numbers) others are using for their streaming needs (Windows 8 DNLA Server, PS3 Media Server, Windows Media Center, Plex, PlayOn, etc)? I'm able to stream avi's (divx/xvid), and 720p and 1080p mkv files from my PS3 to this TV no problem, and they look awesome. I've experimented with connecting to my PS3 Media Server within this TV's 'DNLA' option. I'm able to navigate and see a listing of files. When attempting to play my Hi-Def mkv files, files will either begin to play then skip around and stutter, or simply state "cannot read file". Funny thing is, when I first connected my TV to the network, I let my 1080p Iron Man 2 mkv play for a couple of minutes, and it seemed to start working, but I've been unable to replicate a successful attempt. I'm okay if I'm forced to continue streaming through my PS3, but I think it would pretty cool to do this natively within the TV's DNLA feature. I know this would be a HUGE feature to get family and friends on board with buying a DNLA capable Smart TV set like this beauty, and maybe another for my bedroom. Do we know what media codecs this set can handle for native streaming processing?

Thanks

DtF

EDIT (2/5/13): I think I may have found a fix for my PMS streaming to the Panasonic (http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16250)
Edited by Dru the Fu - 2/5/13 at 2:00pm
post #9967 of 13476
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Originally Posted by mantar View Post

skidog, my tv was shutting off intermittently and it had nothing to do with the shutoff powersaving option. I know this because the damn tv would not manually turn back on right away. It would randomly respond to the remote later at random times anywhere from a few monutes of trying again to an entire day. Best Buy switched monitors. They brought ina new box. The Magnolia guy and I removed the two week old monitor from the stand and flipped it with the brand new monitor from the box. He peeled off the new serial numbers from the new packaging and gave them to me. The new monitor of course has it's own serial number on it. Best Buy treated me good on this. He theorized it could be a faulty power supply.

My replacement monitor looks good too. This is purely perception, but I think my original monitor had a tad more sharpness and pop. It's so slight that it could just be me being excited to see the VT50 the first time in my room.

You know where the VT50 shines. During Beyonce's half time show is when my relatives really appreciated the black levels on the TV or any other shot in the stadium when they were dimming lights for spotlights (or power outages!!!).

Yeah, I think I read your posts about it turning off.
Mine turns right back on with the remote. I turned power saving off and will see if that solves it. At this point I want to know if it's the power saving mode or another issue. If i don't have any more problems I'll probally turn it back on and push a button once in a while.
post #9968 of 13476
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Originally Posted by Dru the Fu View Post

Got my 65VT50 and all I can say is I am glad I jumped on that Paul's deal coming from my original 720p Samsung HP-S5073 plasma (bought brand new when it hit the market for well over $3k). I've only got a few hours on it so far, using the suggested break-in settings I've seen in this thread, and even with these basic toned down settings, I am amazed at the picture quality. The best way I described it to my buddy is that I have new window on the wall that lets me look onto a movie/TV studio. I cannot wait to get around 100 hours on it, apply some of the user posted settings, and see some of the fuller potential that can be unleashed. I know the settings won't be as perfected as a pro calibration, but try justifying that to the wife after spending money on this TV, 3D glasses for a family of 5, some cables needed for connecting to my sources, my new Denon 3312CI, and ControlCal. The wife is just not having it...haha

The Free White Glove delivery from Paul's was a joke. Not that it was a direct reflection of Paul's TV as a store or as a damn good deal on this TV, but more of the sub-contracted local delivery service (seems like they were a sub-contractor of Home Direct USA delivery services). I will say that they were on time, showing up about an hour into my 4 hour window. So an Enterprise Rental moving style truck pulls up, and two unprofessional looking 'men' deliver the TV, wheel it into my 1st floor Great Room where it was to be mounted. They set it on the floor, told me they needed a signature, and would be on their way. I told them that I was told there was white glove delivery included, and I wanted to check the TV over, make sure it worked and had no defects. One of the guys bolted for the door, sat in the truck the rest of the time. I assisted the other with taking the box off, unwrapping the layers of styra-foam sheets and packaging, and plugging into the wall. It turned on, I didn't notice any scratches or cracks, and the guy was done. No taking the set completely out of the box, no putting the stand together and setting on top of......nada. It was like pulling teeth to get anything from them that I would consider 'white glove'. I've never had a white glove delivery before, but this did not leave a happy, fuzzy feeling with me. Hopefully Paul's TV will perform some type of QA on their delivery services and step up to customer expectations and satisfaction.

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Other than that, I have a curiosity. Previous to installing this TV, I have been streaming media content from my PS3 (hard wired to my home network). My PS3 will stream from my PC via the PS3 Media Center software. Now that I have a 'Smart TV' capable of DNLA, I'd like to see what DNLA server/service (including version numbers) others are using for their streaming needs (Windows 8 DNLA Server, PS3 Media Server, Windows Media Center, Plex, PlayOn, etc)? I'm able to stream avi's (divx/xvid), and 720p and 1080p mkv files from my PS3 to this TV no problem, and they look awesome. I've experimented with connecting to my PS3 Media Server within this TV's 'DNLA' option. I'm able to navigate and see a listing of files. When attempting to play my Hi-Def mkv files, files will either begin to play then skip around and stutter, or simply state "cannot read file". Funny thing is, when I first connected my TV to the network, I let my 1080p Iron Man 2 mkv play for a couple of minutes, and it seemed to start working, but I've been unable to replicate a successful attempt. I'm okay if I'm forced to continue streaming through my PS3, but I think it would pretty cool to do this natively within the TV's DNLA feature. I know this would be a HUGE feature to get family and friends on board with buying a DNLA capable Smart TV set like this beauty, and maybe another for my bedroom. Do we know what media codecs this set can handle for native streaming processing?

Thanks

DtF

I purchased my 65VT50 from my Local Best Buy brick and mortar. Delivery was free. Delivery team was unbelievable. They carried the TV into my Mediaroom, unpacked it, installed the stand, put the batteries in both remotes, plugged it in and helped me verify all was good BEFORE pushing the delivery complete sheet in front of me. I was really impressed given some of the horror stories I have read on these forums. Tipped the guys a 20 on their way out.
And they took the carton with them!
Edited by peirek - 2/5/13 at 2:18pm
post #9969 of 13476
I went to Paul's TV the night before I purchased my set from BB.

White Glove Delivery is a misnomer. I think they told me it was inside the threshold only. You are lucky they waited while you unpacked it.

When I lived in Chicago I was in a Basement Condo, the "Standard" delivery would NOT walk down the flight of steps. I think I offered the guys an extra $20.
post #9970 of 13476
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Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post

I went to Paul's TV the night before I purchased my set from BB.

White Glove Delivery is a misnomer. I think they told me it was inside the threshold only. You are lucky they waited while you unpacked it.

When I lived in Chicago I was in a Basement Condo, the "Standard" delivery would NOT walk down the flight of steps. I think I offered the guys an extra $20.

I think it's more of a case where the delivery guys try to get away with not doing it. They are definitely supposed to unpack it and hook it up for you, as well as carry it up/down two flights, but it seems like some of them will try and just drop the TV off an go. In that case you're going to have to explicitly tell them what they're going to do or they're going to hope you just let it slide and simply sign for the delivery.
post #9971 of 13476
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Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post

I went to Paul's TV the night before I purchased my set from BB.

White Glove Delivery is a misnomer. I think they told me it was inside the threshold only. You are lucky they waited while you unpacked it.

Probably depends on the company they use to ship it. I didn't get mine from Paul's TV but did use white glove delivery from where I ordered from. Once the shipping company called to setup a delivery time the guys driving the truck called on that day letting me know their schedule. They called two more time afterwards updating me and let me know they were running behind an hour. He gave me an arrival time and when they pulled up he was within one minute of that given time lol.

They brought it inside and unpacked it for me then plugged it up after looking it over and powered it on. They waited while I combed over it using a flashlight and then ran through the slides checking for any dead or stuck pixels. I wasn't about to sign off on it until I was fully satisfied with it after arrival. Very good service I had from them. smile.gif
post #9972 of 13476
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Originally Posted by peirek View Post


And they took the carton with them!

What if your VT50 craps out under warranty?? You have no 'carton' to put it back into for service? I've never understood why people throw out the box for ANY reason. But that's me. Enjoy your display...
post #9973 of 13476
Me neither. And they're often so quick to toss it out, not even waiting for the return period to expire!
post #9974 of 13476
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Originally Posted by 5150zx View Post

What if your VT50 craps out under warranty?? You have no 'carton' to put it back into for service? I've never understood why people throw out the box for ANY reason. But that's me. Enjoy your display...
Would you really pack that 65" TV and ship it somewhere for repairs?
post #9975 of 13476
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Originally Posted by peirek View Post

I purchased my 65VT50 from my Local Best Buy brick and mortar. Delivery was free. Delivery team was unbelievable. They carried the TV into my Mediaroom, unpacked it, installed the stand, put the batteries in both remotes, plugged it in and helped me verify all was good BEFORE pushing the delivery complete sheet in front of me. I was really impressed given some of the horror stories I have read on these forums. Tipped the guys a 20 on their way out.
And they took the carton with them!

Exactly my experience as well. Was very very impressed with their service. And the fact they price matched the lowest online rate I could find.
post #9976 of 13476
Purchased my VT50 in October 2012 - can say I have been pleased until recently I notice alot of very bad burn-in in the upper left corner from the TV's input menu's you press to select inputs, change picture settings, etc... Really bummed that my $2200 is gonna be wasted in a matter of months from yet again the downfall of all plasma's - burnin!!! I think this will def be my last purchase of a plasma evre - if they are even around when my current burnin gets to the point of unwatchable w/o annoying burnin bugs from simply accessing the menu's - really Panasonic? So very disappointed!!!
post #9977 of 13476
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Originally Posted by Bamadawg_63 View Post

Purchased my VT50 in October 2012 - can say I have been pleased until recently I notice alot of very bad burn-in in the upper left corner from the TV's input menu's you press to select inputs, change picture settings, etc... Really bummed that my $2200 is gonna be wasted in a matter of months from yet again the downfall of all plasma's - burnin!!! I think this will def be my last purchase of a plasma evre - if they are even around when my current burnin gets to the point of unwatchable w/o annoying burnin bugs from simply accessing the menu's - really Panasonic? So very disappointed!!!
More details
did you break in TV as recommended?
are you calibrated?
What color Setting?
What burned in? Example Fox Logo"
did you try anything to remove it...
These bits of info will help others prevent or help you...
post #9978 of 13476
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Originally Posted by Bamadawg_63 View Post

Purchased my VT50 in October 2012 - can say I have been pleased until recently I notice alot of very bad burn-in in the upper left corner from the TV's input menu's you press to select inputs, change picture settings, etc... Really bummed that my $2200 is gonna be wasted in a matter of months from yet again the downfall of all plasma's - burnin!!! I think this will def be my last purchase of a plasma evre - if they are even around when my current burnin gets to the point of unwatchable w/o annoying burnin bugs from simply accessing the menu's - really Panasonic? So very disappointed!!!
If you just noticed parts of the menu image remaining on your screen, you don't have burn-in. What you have is image retention (IR). If you're wondering what's the difference, it's that burn-in is a fixed image on your screen that will never go away. IR, with normal use, will go away on it's own.

As for how you're using your TV, that might explain why you have IR. If you are constantly using the menu to change picture settings, and to select different inputs, then it will seem like the IR is always there because you keep repeating the same menu fixed images. I don't see how changing inputs would happen often enough to cause IR, unless you are doing that every few minutes. It's sound as if you like to play with the picture settings a lot. Try reducing that for a couple of weeks and see if you can still see menu IR.
post #9979 of 13476
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Originally Posted by 5150zx View Post

What if your VT50 craps out under warranty?? You have no 'carton' to put it back into for service? I've never understood why people throw out the box for ANY reason. But that's me. Enjoy your display...

Repairs should be done on site, you shouldn't have to take it anywhere.

If your TV requires replacement, the bad TV can be shipped out in the box the good one was delivered in. At least this is how it worked out for me.
post #9980 of 13476
When streaming Netflix and Amazon Instant/Prime video via Viera Connect on a 65VT50 I noticed that the remote's "Format" button was non-functional, a problem for viewing 4:3 material. It cycles through the five settings as expected with a HDMI sourced Blu Ray player or the RF input. The menu's "Aspect" setting had no impact on this anomaly. A search of the forums did not disclose any clues, other than it should have worked. Is this expected behavior or have I missed a configuration parameter? 11/12 build with the most recent software version.
post #9981 of 13476
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Speaking of DLNA, when accessing either video or still pictures from my windows 7 computer, the 65VT50 doesn't list many of the files that are in the same directory. They're photos and videos all taken with the same camera within minutes of each other.

It also resorts them in a strange way.

Also tried accessing photos using the Oppo 95 via network and it saw even fewing picture files in the same directory.

So this doesn't sound like a VT50 issue but something else with windows 7.

Any thoughts?


Edit: Google's my friend. You have to go in on your computer using Windows Media Player and change some settings. http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/mediafoundationdevelopment/thread/969de982-856e-4a88-abd0-5f28201145df/
Edited by JimP - 2/5/13 at 8:47pm
post #9982 of 13476
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Originally Posted by irisservice View Post

More details
did you break in TV as recommended?
are you calibrated?
What color Setting?
What burned in? Example Fox Logo"
did you try anything to remove it...
These bits of info will help others prevent or help you...

TV was broken in using break-in DVD and also watching non logo 16:9 programming during the day.

TV is not calibrated - just use the THX settings except when my adult son uses it for gaming, then he switches it to game mode.

Color settings are set-up per the recommendations here at AVS for THX mode.

It may be IR - it is the type from when you access the different menu items - like when you choose inputs or change modes, THX, GAME, etc.

Running the "white burn" option that is built in as we speak
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My son and I share the TV, and we do change inputs from several HDMI hookups... but really... you can't expect someone to have 4 HDMI ports and not change between them several times in a day? If it is having these type of problems, then I can only assume it is just part of being a plasma owner. Like I said earlier... my next step will be something besides plasma... you would think after all the years plasma has been in usage, the problems would be solved. My guess is they can't be resolved... so onto a different technology for me in the future.

Thanks for the replies...
Nate
post #9983 of 13476
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Originally Posted by SchwarzE46M3 View Post

When streaming Netflix and Amazon Instant/Prime video via Viera Connect on a 65VT50 I noticed that the remote's "Format" button was non-functional, a problem for viewing 4:3 material. It cycles through the five settings as expected with a HDMI sourced Blu Ray player or the RF input. The menu's "Aspect" setting had no impact on this anomaly. A search of the forums did not disclose any clues, other than it should have worked. Is this expected behavior or have I missed a configuration parameter? 11/12 build with the most recent software version.
That's normal.
post #9984 of 13476
i currently hve an Elite but am thonking of exchanging for a vt50 because of some of the Elite inherent problems (eg off-axis issues, lack of screen uniformity - banding and some greenish spots).

based on the two most common complaints i have seen about th vt50:

can the IR on the vt50 be easily seen when watching normal content? how loud/distracting are the fan issues?

anyone have generl/overall impressions of the pq of the elit vs vt50? do love the crisp, vividness of the elite, even in thx mode.
post #9985 of 13476
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Originally Posted by stixx View Post

Would you really pack that 65" TV and ship it somewhere for repairs?

Absolutely, if under warranty and it 'needed' to be shipped for service. It's not that difficult, really. Or, what if you're forced to or decide to move?
post #9986 of 13476
Update to my previous DNLA streaming post (#9976)....

PS3 Media Server (PMS)
I was able to adjust some settings in the PMS GUI and some configuration files, and it now looks as if all my files will play. The downside is that some of my mkv files will not play the audio portion, with a message displaying "Audio format not supported" or something along those lines (sorry, at work trying to remember exact wording). These files that are not working I believe are DTS and AC3 (Dolby Digital) audio formats. If I play the same files through my PS3 instead of the Panny DNLA menu, I receive the audio and all is good. I believe this is because my PS3 passes the audio to my Denon 3312CI to process the audio, whereas playing from the Panny DNLA the internal codecs cannot process the audio. I'm going to head over to the PMS support forums to see if I can dig anything up. I have a feeling that since I'm using the PMS to send the file directly to the Panny without transcoding, this may be the root of my issue...

UPDATE: I may have answered my own question. If I were to force transcoding for specific files (via the 'transcode' folder in PMS DNLA server), then the audio support may be compatible. Will check back in tomorrow with my results.

Windows 8 DNLA services
So I also tried setting up my Windows 8 DNLA services (sharing files via homegroup). While I thought this option would be better as to cut out the 'middle man' (PMS) and stream directly, things did not result to what I was expecting. In Windows 8, I had to add all my structured directories that I have created across multiple hard drives into some sort of "Public Shared" list. OK, not hard, just a little time consuming. Then when accessing the DNLA server on the Panny....chaos. All directory structures were ignored, and all the directories (also containing subdirectories, i.e. TV --> New and Unwatched --> Show Name) and files were intermixed, so I had my movies, TV shows, home movies, kids shows and movies, photos, music all mixed together, making for an unorganized, hard to navigate mess. Seeing this, I did not even attempt to play any files as I knew this was not going to work for me. I like structure and organization.


So now I'm back to the drawing board to play around some more and figure this out. I like what the PMS option offers, but would like to stream natively and take the PS3 out of the equation if possible. But I don't know what the Panasonic VT50 can process on its own in terms of audio and video codecs.

Does anyone else utilize the streaming features with the VT50? If so what do you use (software, hardware), what problems/limitations have you encountered (if any), etc.
Edited by Dru the Fu - 2/6/13 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Repairs should be done on site, you shouldn't have to take it anywhere.

If your TV requires replacement, the bad TV can be shipped out in the box the good one was delivered in. At least this is how it worked out for me.

46" sets and bigger, yes for on site repair. At least Panasonic. I just think there are many more reasons to keep the original box, etc. than tossing it. Unless space is an absolute reason. Boxes for 60"+ TV's are A LOT smaller than they used to be, that's for sure. My (now sold) Sony 720p Grand Wega from 8 years ago could house a family of three!!! smile.gif
post #9988 of 13476
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Originally Posted by 5150zx View Post

What if your VT50 craps out under warranty?? You have no 'carton' to put it back into for service? I've never understood why people throw out the box for ANY reason. But that's me. Enjoy your display...
I thought about this point, however if the set craps out, BB will need to deliver a new one and can use that box for the return. I normally keep all boxes for my gear however, this box is sooooo big it would not fit in my attic and thus no real place to keep it. In Texas we do not have basements.
post #9989 of 13476
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Originally Posted by 5150zx View Post

Absolutely, if under warranty and it 'needed' to be shipped for service. It's not that difficult, really. Or, what if you're forced to or decide to move?

If I am forced to move, I have much bigger problems than the missing TV box. biggrin.gif
post #9990 of 13476
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Originally Posted by peirek View Post

I thought about this point, however if the set craps out, BB will need to deliver a new one and can use that box for the return. I normally keep all boxes for my gear however, this box is sooooo big it would not fit in my attic and thus no real place to keep it. In Texas we do not have basements.

I certainly understand that point. Fortunately, I have plenty of space. To give you an idea, I have two Panny boxes side by side in a spare basement bedroom.
One from a 65" VT and one from a 65" GT. I kid you not, I could fit BOTH inside the box from my (now sold) Sony 60" Grand Wega from 8 years ago!
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