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post #121 of 226
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'm not bothering with firmware updates at this point Shield. The GH2 will be sold within the next week or so.

Shield, what did you get for the GH2 and what did you sell it with?

Well I got $700 for the body, but this was in March of this year.
Good place to sell it is the micro-four thirds forums located here:

http://www.mu-43.com/forum.php

I would dump it before they release a GH3 though. I realize we disagree about the video of each camera, but there's no debate about which one has a better form factor, better pictures, better colors, and that's the Sony.
post #122 of 226
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Ken, go update your GH2 to the latest firmware to get the 1080p/30 High bitrate. You will probably really then see the difference.

Shawn

Shawn, at this point as I said, there's not much point. I like the image (both still & video much better), I like the lightweight relative to the GH2 and I really love using the camera.

It's just much more fun to use than the GH2 IMO.
post #123 of 226
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Well I got $700 for the body, but this was in March of this year.
Good place to sell it is the micro-four thirds forums located here:

http://www.mu-43.com/forum.php

I would dump it before they release a GH3 though. I realize we disagree about the video of each camera, but there's no debate about which one has a better form factor, better pictures, better colors, and that's the Sony.

Thanks, I'll give them a look. I generally give my stuff to a buddy (same guy that also thought the NEX looked sharper & more detailed than my GH2...he does video professionally too) and he puts it on EBay.

Do you think you get a better price on your site vs EBay?
post #124 of 226
Ken i could see one was clearly sharper but thought the sharp one was the Sony as i could not see the GH2 being sharper in 720P,I have shown you enough films to see there is nothing wrong with the GH2s color.
the following test between the GH and FZ150 is bound to show the GH2 having more resolution but the differences in the GH2s mode settings also clearly show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK7uoV5OtfU

http://vimeo.com/40268487 so damn good,only a canon DSLR can come close to that color look and we all know what issues they have.
post #125 of 226
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Well from what I've read the 18-200 is a sharper lens than what I've got now, but I'm not sure. If it's as sharp as the kit lens I'll be very happy. As I said, the stock lens really surprised me. I just don't think that same lens on my NEX5 was nearly as good. Lots of QC issues I'd bet with these lenses.

Do the Sigma lenses have AF? I'd bet they don't have IS though.

I think they do have AF but not IS.

I owned all of the NEX lenses except for the Sigmas. Even the 24mm Zeiss. I did not care for it at all; no IS and didn't think it was that sharp. I did like the 16mm pancake though, and hated the 18-200 (too heavy on a NEX body).

Have you thought about getting a LA-EA2 adapter and some Alpha glass? The 16-50mm F/2.8 is a parfocal lens and brilliant for video; super quiet zoom.
post #126 of 226
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I think they do have AF but not IS.

I owned all of the NEX lenses except for the Sigmas. Even the 24mm Zeiss. I did not care for it at all; no IS and didn't think it was that sharp. I did like the 16mm pancake though, and hated the 18-200 (too heavy on a NEX body).

Have you thought about getting a LA-EA2 adapter and some Alpha glass? The 16-50mm F/2.8 is a parfocal lens and brilliant for video; super quiet zoom.

I might consider the 16-50 with the adapter. But I'm surprised you found the Zeiss not to be that sharp. It seems everyone raves about that glass.

I actually think some of Sony's glass is under-rated.
post #127 of 226
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I might consider the 16-50 with the adapter. But I'm surprised you found the Zeiss not to be that sharp. It seems everyone raves about that glass.

I actually think some of Sony's glass is under-rated.

Keep reading about it; you'll see not everyone is in love with it. It's great for up close portraits, but really sucks for outdoors type landscape shots.
Plus it was almost as much as the 7 I had it on. I also found 35mm equivalent a strange focal length; I like 50 better, which is why I use the 30mm Sigma (~45mm equiv) on the Alpha.

But hey - I'm just giving you my thoughts; don't let that stop you from getting the Zeiss if you want it!
post #128 of 226
For the money if I still had a NEX body, I'd get the 19mm Sigma or 30mm Sigma.

Check out the MTF numbers; the Zeiss isn't even the best at F/2.8 and definitely not wide open:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012...ion-comparison
post #129 of 226
Well in setting up my aunts camera I had a chance to do an impromptu video driving down the road I found that once it sets the focus it stays there. So in one video I had a great closeup of the dash and blurry trees whizzing by.
The next I was able to get great focus for the trees. The video was ok, not great because dirty windows, jostling the camera etc...
I wonder if shutter speed is deactivated because it was at 1/4000 when I started as that was what i was using on the stills to stop the scene dead when taking pics and at 40mph it worked like magic!

To bad it's not my camera.

The video would probably look miles better if it wasn't taken from a moving car with dirty windows.

I might get to play with it next week, but for now, sadly it's set on iA mode so my aunt can get pics of her cat who is a total diva and hates paparazzi.
post #130 of 226
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Steve, in video mode the camera seeks a shutter speed in the area of 1/125 regardless of what it was set to in still mode. At least that's my understanding of it. I'm still learning!
post #131 of 226
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Originally Posted by Shield View Post

For the money if I still had a NEX body, I'd get the 19mm Sigma or 30mm Sigma.

Check out the MTF numbers; the Zeiss isn't even the best at F/2.8 and definitely not wide open:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012...ion-comparison

Wow, the Sigma is very impressive for a lens of that price Shawn! I'll give it a whirl. I wasn't really planning to get that Zeiss lens, just too much for what it offers. I see Sony is coming out with a new 18-200 that's a bit smaller & lighter than the existing one.

I'll need a longer zoom than the kit lens, so I might look into it.

BTW, I had done a test (it's been a long time since I used this mode given my dislike for 24p) with the GH2 at 1080 24p. Now THERE you have some resolution that gives the Sony a run for its money and dare I say, probably a bit more resolute. I still see a bit of mud in shaded areas where the Sony shows more detail. But in better lit areas the GH2 does look somewhat sharper there. But as I saw a car passing by in my scene, I realized why I disliked that frame rate so much. I still preferred the overall look of the Sony video, given its dynamic range & color. But I just want to show you I am very objective about this stuff. Give credit where credit is due. But 720p & even 1080i...nope, I won't go that far!

I'll let you know how that Sigma lens works out and thanks for that link!
post #132 of 226
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Wow, the Sigma is very impressive for a lens of that price Shawn! I'll give it a whirl. I wasn't really planning to get that Zeiss lens, just too much for what it offers. I see Sony is coming out with a new 18-200 that's a bit smaller & lighter than the existing one.

I'll need a longer zoom than the kit lens, so I might look into it.

BTW, I had done a test (it's been a long time since I used this mode given my dislike for 24p) with the GH2 at 1080 24p. Now THERE you have some resolution that gives the Sony a run for its money and dare I say, probably a bit more resolute. I still see a bit of mud in shaded areas where the Sony shows more detail. But in better lit areas the GH2 does look somewhat sharper there. But as I saw a car passing by in my scene, I realized why I disliked that frame rate so much. I still preferred the overall look of the Sony video, given its dynamic range & color. But I just want to show you I am very objective about this stuff. Give credit where credit is due. But 720p & even 1080i...nope, I won't go that far!

I'll let you know how that Sigma lens works out and thanks for that link!

See Ken we weren't crazy! Lots of us were using the HBR mode (30p) in the Gh2 as well, which is even better IMO.

Ken, I don't know about you, but I just cannot give up my Sony's 60p video can you? I can pan semi-quickly and the action just looks that much better on a 60p panel. Plus the slow motion video is amazing - if you haven't already, open up a file you've shot and set the playback to 40% and save it as a 24p file. Check out how gorgeous the true slow mo (not interpolated a la Twixtor) is!
post #133 of 226
Hi Steve - is your aunt's camera a NEX-7?

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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

Well in setting up my aunts camera I had a chance to do an impromptu video driving down the road I found that once it sets the focus it stays there. So in one video I had a great closeup of the dash and blurry trees whizzing by.
The next I was able to get great focus for the trees. The video was ok, not great because dirty windows, jostling the camera etc...
I wonder if shutter speed is deactivated because it was at 1/4000 when I started as that was what i was using on the stills to stop the scene dead when taking pics and at 40mph it worked like magic!

To bad it's not my camera.

The video would probably look miles better if it wasn't taken from a moving car with dirty windows.

I might get to play with it next week, but for now, sadly it's set on iA mode so my aunt can get pics of her cat who is a total diva and hates paparazzi.
post #134 of 226
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Steve, in video mode the camera seeks a shutter speed in the area of 1/125 regardless of what it was set to in still mode. At least that's my understanding of it. I'm still learning!


Ken, I actually turned the shtter speed down and I got a significant increase in brightness and the F stop didn't change.
I was in full manual mode with it. So I have no idea if it makes a difference or not. I'll have to read the manual next chance I get.

@Shield
No it's an NEX-5N not an NEX-7.
post #135 of 226
Steve - the 5n is actually better in low light than the NEX-7. Just doesn't have the 24 megapixels and a bunch of other improvements of the 7 (built in OVF, Flash, etc). I had a 5n, sold it, got the 7, sold it, got another 5n.
The 5n, even though it's better in low light, is just a tad too small.
post #136 of 226
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See Ken we weren't crazy! Lots of us were using the HBR mode (30p) in the Gh2 as well, which is even better IMO.

Ken, I don't know about you, but I just cannot give up my Sony's 60p video can you? I can pan semi-quickly and the action just looks that much better on a 60p panel. Plus the slow motion video is amazing - if you haven't already, open up a file you've shot and set the playback to 40% and save it as a 24p file. Check out how gorgeous the true slow mo (not interpolated a la Twixtor) is!

Remember I was always using the GH2 at either 720p or 1080i because of the smooth, natural motion At those resolutions I still stand by my assertion that the NEX is sharper and resolves more detail than the GH2. It's really easy to see.

But then there's 1080 24p on the GH2 and that's where the tables turned. With the exception of the occasional mud, detail-obscuring areas of the Gh2, the GH2 generally was sharper and somewhat more resolute. So sharper at 24p yes, but all other resolutions and frame rates (60i), no.

For me that was always the frustrating thing about the GH2. 24p and even 30p never provided the smooth motion I needed on any camera I've ever used.

So for 1080 60p, the Sony is my choice (NEX or Alpha). Like you Shawn, I can not give up 60p. I don't have to worry about panning, I don't have to worry about fast motion, I can just concentrate on what I want to shoot and get a great image...hell, even my last test @1080 24p with the GH2 before I packed it up, had some neighbor walking somewhat briskly in the frame and even there the 24p stutter was clearly visible and at least for me, clearly distracting.

I haven't checked out the slo mo, but I will. I'm going to see if I can't grab that Sigma lens today at a local camera shop that sells the NEX. I'll let you know how that works out. Did you like the Sony pancake lens? It does make the cam almost pocketable.
post #137 of 226
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Steve - the 5n is actually better in low light than the NEX-7. Just doesn't have the 24 megapixels and a bunch of other improvements of the 7 (built in OVF, Flash, etc).

Yup. That's why Canon went to a 1920x1080 sensor in their G10 and XA10 camcorders, better low light. But I still like the overall NEX7 package over the NEX5n. I'll still be using my XA10 at times, so I have the low light capability when I need it. But I'd like to see a fast lens on the 7 to see how it compares to the XA10. I limit gain (where I can) on all my camcorders to control noise and I generally won't allow the cam to go over 15-18db of gain.
post #138 of 226
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Did you like the Sony pancake lens? It does make the cam almost pocketable.

It was on my NEX cameras almost all the time. I've heard nothing but positive things though about the 19mm lens; hopefully you can pick one up. They say it's a sharp as a tack even wide open.
post #139 of 226
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Steve - the 5n is actually better in low light than the NEX-7. Just doesn't have the 24 megapixels and a bunch of other improvements of the 7 (built in OVF, Flash, etc). I had a 5n, sold it, got the 7, sold it, got another 5n.
The 5n, even though it's better in low light, is just a tad too small.


I suggested the 5N to my aunt because it was within her budget and it was on sale for $649 and she wanted a point and shoot that would take great pictures. I doubt she will ever take a video but I am trying to help her.

The NEX7 was way out of her budget.
My aunt is 87 years old and cannot hold a small P&S due to arthritis and likely would drop a DSLR as it would be too heavy.

This was a good compromise and she loves the pictures it takes.

When I used it I loved how from a moving car it was able to stop fast moving images dead. No blur at all. The cat tends to move whenever it's pic is about to be taken.

Either way this one looks like she'll have it for a long time.
post #140 of 226
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It was on my NEX cameras almost all the time. I've heard nothing but positive things though about the 19mm lens; hopefully you can pick one up. They say it's a sharp as a tack even wide open.

Just got the Sigma for delivery on Monday.
post #141 of 226
I fully expect to see pics once it arrives.
post #142 of 226
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Originally Posted by Shield View Post

Steve - the 5n is actually better in low light than the NEX-7. Just doesn't have the 24 megapixels and a bunch of other improvements of the 7 (built in OVF, Flash, etc). I had a 5n, sold it, got the 7, sold it, got another 5n.
The 5n, even though it's better in low light, is just a tad too small.

Yep, the 5N is very noticeably superior in low light, mostly due to it having less megapixels. Consumers are so obsessed with high MPs that they are not realizing shoving more megapixels into the same sized space means a large compromise in low light quality and light gathering ability. I personally don't know who truly needs 24+ megapixels. Hell, when I tell people 1080p is really about 2mps They don't believe it. Cinema at 4k is about 8MPs. The megapixel race is a consumer marketing con game for the most part, IMO. It's something they can keep adding more and more of and con consumers into thinking it means the camera is better all so they can avoid or delay improving very important thing in image quality like dynamic range and low light ability.

Personally, I wish they had about an 8-12mp full frame camera. I guarantee it'd smoke these 24 and 36mp cameras in overall quality. It'd crush them in low light and dynamic range.

They want to take their sweet time though getting there, of course. That's how they make their money, milking small incremental improvements.
post #143 of 226
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I fully expect to see pics once it arrives.

Me too!
post #144 of 226
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Yep, the 5N is very noticeably superior in low light, mostly due to it having less megapixels. Consumers are so obsessed with high MPs that they are not realizing shoving more megapixels into the same sized space means a large compromise in low light quality and light gathering ability. I personally don't know who truly needs 24+ megapixels. Hell, when I tell people 1080p is really about 2mps They don't believe it. Cinema at 4k is about 8MPs. The megapixel race is a consumer marketing con game for the most part, IMO. It's something they can keep adding more and more of and con consumers into thinking it means the camera is better all so they can avoid or delay improving very important thing in image quality like dynamic range and low light ability.

Personally, I wish they had about an 8-12mp full frame camera. I guarantee it'd smoke these 24 and 36mp cameras in overall quality. It'd crush them in low light and dynamic range.

They want to take their sweet time though getting there, of course. That's how they make their money, milking small incremental improvements.

For me the OLED VF was a big draw. A camera, any camera is pretty much useless to me if it has no VF. You just can't accurately compose or focus in the sun with those damn LCD screens. Although I could have gotten the outboard OLED for the 5n, I liked the idea of it being an integral part of the camera. Likewise for the flash. So giving up some low light for improved usability was fine for me.

But yes, the megapixel race is loony. As I said before, Canon got smart with the XA10 & G10 camcorders that offered a 1920x1080 sensor. No more or less than you need for true HD. Those cams wound up being rated best and are also excellent in low light. No surprise.
post #145 of 226
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Well I got my Sigma lens today and it was not a good experience. The autofocus was slow and constantly hunting, there was a rattle in the lens and finally the lens just died. At first I got nervous thinking the lens had somehow toasted the NEX. Fortunately that wasn't the case after I put the kit lens back on.

I tried reattaching the Sigma and found the VF would brighten then dim and the cycle would repeat. I finally got an error message saying the lens wasn't attached properly and therefore not recognized.

After reading a few other people that had QC issues with the lens. I decided to just return it and get something else. The other thing I noticed was the color rendition was quite different. The lens was decidedly warmer. I would have thought the AWB would have adjusted for lens characteristics like color, but it remained warmer. I thought this too could be a problem if you're switching lenses and each time you get a very different color balance.

Very weird.
post #146 of 226
Very strange. Was this the 19mm or 30mm? Also I do notice quite different colors when I throw on older Minolta lenses vs. the newer "Sony" branded lenses. I actually prefer the Minolta colors but hate the loud and noisy "screw drive" type AF.
post #147 of 226
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Yeah, the autofocus was very noisy (before it died) and the rattle in the lens has been confirmed by others. Sounds & feels very cheap. It was the 19mm

My buddy that was wowed by the videos I showed him just ordered the NEX7. We're both considering the VG20 to replace our Canon XA10s.

I love the idea of being able to use the same lenses in both systems.
post #148 of 226
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The Sigma colors were significantly warmer, but I suspect less accurate than the Sony lenses. It was pleasing though.
post #149 of 226
The 18-200mm is really sharp, and the IS is great for video. Here is a handheld video at 200mm of birdfeeder action:

https://vimeo.com/44008771

The dynamic range in this scene is very problematical, and the NEX-5N does a good job; much better than some other cameras I have used for the same scene, including - wait for it - the GH2. And listen to how natural the stereo sound is too. The video was not edited, just merged clips without re-compression.

Here is an unretouched, straight from the camera still of the scene:

399
post #150 of 226
Great colors, but that's waaaay too shaky for me. I almost got nauseous with the video going up and down like that. Need a tripod / monopod or something.
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