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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by kgveteran View Post

The "Hall of Fame" is hardly.... They can go fly a kite AFIC...LOL

I hope Rush NEVER gets in so i can boycot them ( the HOF ) forever !!!!!

Rush, ugg. Take often outstanding bass and percussion play, overlay a nails-on-chalkboard voice, and lyrics over-informed by the ill-informed politics of a sheltered teenaged upper middle-class suburban naif...

What can I say...I did like Peart's "Burning for Buddy" project.

I can't imagine that titans of modern music like Pearl Jam - who are closing out Music Midtown in ATL next September, I can't wait - would hitch their star on something like that. Unless, of course, that's just their way of saying "who needs the HOF."
post #32 of 52
I'm surprised I didn't get crucified for saying Nirvana is over-rated. I always thought they had talent but it seemed like their popularity soared as did their radio play from 94 on when Cobain died. Before that time I felt like Pearl Jam had the heaviest radio play. In my mind the grunge bands of Seattle rank as follows:

Alice in Chains > Pearl Jam > Soundgarden > Nirvana

STP were awful IMO.

Anyone heard the new AIC album? I think it is almost as good as Facelift and Dirt, and I love those albums.

As far as the Red Hot Chili Peppers go, I have always respected them but could never fully get into them. I agree that they deserve to be in the HOF. Unfortunately I think Anthony Kiedis is tone deaf. I've heard him live a few times on tv and it is a really painful experience. His voice sounds similar as he does recorded, but every note is flat and brutally off tune.

It could be that the handful of times I've heard them live he was just having an off night though.

On the topic of singers, I recently saw Opeth and was stunned at how pitch perfect their singer is. He didn't miss a note all night, it was the best vocal performance I've heard live from a metal band.

Getting back to G n R, in my mind they really only had one GREAT album. I was very disappointed with Use Your Illusion when it came out my senior year of high school, I was expecting much more.

That said, I would have a hard time coming up with a better debut album than Appetite and I'm not a huge fan of the band. Hmmm... VH 1 comes to mind, Black Sabbath's self titled, Kill 'em all... I think I would go VH #1.

I find Rush very interesting. It seems most people either love them or hate them, and the haters REALLY do hate, haha. I'm not a huge fan, but I respect them a lot and do like a lot of their stuff before the synthesizers took over. Moving Pictures is outstanding IMO.

Ok, done rambling.
post #33 of 52
What a joke (HOF) they keep Rush out, but have the Beasties Boys in.
post #34 of 52
As long as they don't disrespect brother dime then I will let the rrhof do what they want. But if the disrespect dime or pantera then I declare war on those old white bastards.

Also of note I've been drinking for 5 hours and listening to pantera albums and watching the pantera home vids and dime vision.

RIP DIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt
post #35 of 52
There is no way they are letting Pantera in. I love Pantera, I think their first 3 albums (well, not including their 80's awful stuff) are incredible groundbreaking albums.

However, the HOF wants nothing to do with metal. Look how long it took Black freaking Sabbath to get in. Priest and Maiden still not in...

If the hall wants bands that were influential in their genre it doesn't get much more influential than those 2 bands. Like I said though, HOF doesn't recognize metal as music.
post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I'm surprised I didn't get crucified for saying Nirvana is over-rated. I always thought they had talent but it seemed like their popularity soared as did their radio play from 94 on when Cobain died. Before that time I felt like Pearl Jam had the heaviest radio play. In my mind the grunge bands of Seattle rank as follows:

Alice in Chains > Pearl Jam > Soundgarden > Nirvana

STP were awful IMO.

Anyone heard the new AIC album? I think it is almost as good as Facelift and Dirt, and I love those albums.

As far as the Red Hot Chili Peppers go, I have always respected them but could never fully get into them. I agree that they deserve to be in the HOF. Unfortunately I think Anthony Kiedis is tone deaf. I've heard him live a few times on tv and it is a really painful experience. His voice sounds similar as he does recorded, but every note is flat and brutally off tune.

It could be that the handful of times I've heard them live he was just having an off night though.

On the topic of singers, I recently saw Opeth and was stunned at how pitch perfect their singer is. He didn't miss a note all night, it was the best vocal performance I've heard live from a metal band.

Getting back to G n R, in my mind they really only had one GREAT album. I was very disappointed with Use Your Illusion when it came out my senior year of high school, I was expecting much more.

That said, I would have a hard time coming up with a better debut album than Appetite and I'm not a huge fan of the band. Hmmm... VH 1 comes to mind, Black Sabbath's self titled, Kill 'em all... I think I would go VH #1.

I find Rush very interesting. It seems most people either love them or hate them, and the haters REALLY do hate, haha. I'm not a huge fan, but I respect them a lot and do like a lot of their stuff before the synthesizers took over. Moving Pictures is outstanding IMO.

Ok, done rambling.


Don't disagree with much of this, but the greatest debut of all time:

Oasis: Definitely Maybe

Only a disastrous tour of the US and lazy, idiotic, Americans who couldn't separate them from (mostly) baseless beatles references didn't "get it".

Hard to find a list of the greatest LP's of the last 30 years that doesn't have it in the top ten...with many in the top 3 ("what's the story morning glory" is up there too, of course).

And unlike Appetite- which has aged about as well as a glass of milk (can anyone still listen to paradise city and welcome to the jungle without laughing or feeling like a burn-out?)- it still sounds fresh as ever.

Another one of those bands who's reputation and personality kept millions from actually listening to their music.

James
post #37 of 52
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Originally Posted by Steve_Vai_rules View Post

As long as they don't disrespect brother dime then I will let the rrhof do what they want. But if the disrespect dime or pantera then I declare war on those old white bastards.

Also of note I've been drinking for 5 hours and listening to pantera albums and watching the pantera home vids and dime vision.

RIP DIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt


Not a big metal fan myself, but i liked Pantera more than most.


James
post #38 of 52
I don't think MOST "serious" critics overrate Nirvana. Cobain wrote very solid, simple yet anthemic songs that spoke to millions and had one of the greatest voices of his generation. Hard to argue with that.

With music, especially "rock" music, it's ALWAYS about the timing when it comes to crowning THE bands of an era.

beatles/stones: timing.

u2: timing

guns and roses. timing.

nirvana/pearl jam: timing.

oasis/radiohead: timing

coldplay (crying shame how far they've fallen, btw): timing


They all emerged with a sound/take that was just different/fresh enough (at least to their generation) to create a ground swell that they'd have to work to destroy...and obviously some did. And then the others largely make the same music, but have a loyal fan base (and critics) who will buy everything they create and they'll sell out virtually every show they play.

Some things are just out of your control...and some are not, lol.

James
post #39 of 52
I've never understood the argument about music aging well (really? is that how to spell aging? Looks wrong.)

Music I liked when I was growing up I still like. I wouldn't want to hear those songs all the time of course, but it's not like I hear a song from the 70's/80's and think, "man that song sounds dated I don't like it anymore".

Oasis.... I don't think I've heard much of their music. Is that the band with the song lyric, "where were you while we were getting high?" If so, I don't like that song at all. Maybe they have other songs on that album I would like, I'll have to look into it because I'm not a close-minded metal head, there are other artists I like at least a little bit.

I think it's all just how are brains are wired. My brain needs crunchy sounding electric guitars that are front and center. Something like.... this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mErH9...=1&safe=active

This is on the heavier side of the spectrum of music I like, but I do love the sound of those guitars!!
post #40 of 52
as far as "aging" goes, it's really more about exposing music thought to be groundbreaking or even "great" for what it is: of the moment and not lasting.

You can fit a $hit-ton of 90's alternative into the category: crikey, I could name 50 albums and hundreds of songs that were absolutely lauded 15-20 years ago that now have all-but meandered into irrelevance.

Yes btw, you're thinking of Champagne Supernova (where were you when we were getting high?) daft lyric, admittedly, lol: now pretty much a staple on US rock radio and consistently listed within the top ten songs of ALL TIME in the UK.

http://bestbritishsongs.xfm.co.uk/50-1?page=5

Again, I know many here in the states don't know or care, but Oasis' grip on the UK and really, all of Europe and Asia for the last 17 years cannot be understated. 7 consecutive number 1 albums and more top ten singles than the Beatles.

Ok, I'll put the pom poms away, go easy on me!

James
post #41 of 52
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

On the topic of singers, I recently saw Opeth and was stunned at how pitch perfect their singer is. He didn't miss a note all night, it was the best vocal performance I've heard live from a metal band.

Truth!

Mikael is the man, and Opeth is awesome
post #42 of 52
I have a 9 minute commute to work each day. I would be willing to bet the ranch that during that 18 minute period, that not two consecutive days go by where I DONT hear welcome to the jungle, paradise city, or civil war. JUST IN THAT 18 MINUTES! rock radio has officially ruined GNR for me, as well as many other bands that I used to like, due to them overplaying the crap out of their select billboard top hits. If I hear comfortably numb one more time, Im gonna make that VJ comfortably numb.
post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

I have a 9 minute commute to work each day. I would be willing to bet the ranch that during that 18 minute period, that not two consecutive days go by where I DONT hear welcome to the jungle, paradise city, or civil war. JUST IN THAT 18 MINUTES! rock radio has officially ruined GNR for me, as well as many other bands that I used to like, due to them overplaying the crap out of their select billboard top hits. If I hear comfortably numb one more time, Im gonna make that VJ comfortably numb.

I stopped listening to the radio years ago because of this. Why in the world would I want to listen to the same songs over and over and over, it makes no sense. I have to think there are others like me that listen to no radio at all, you would think they would mix in some variety so they don't lose people like me.

For me in the car it's all ipod and xm radio. At home it's all my own collection on computer, grooveshark, and jango.
post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I stopped listening to the radio years ago because of this. Why in the world would I want to listen to the same songs over and over and over, it makes no sense. I have to think there are others like me that listen to no radio at all, you would think they would mix in some variety so they don't lose people like me.

The songs on the radio aren't for you. They are for idiots that think the screaming man really is selling a $15,000 car for $99 down and $99 month.
post #45 of 52
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I stopped listening to the radio years ago because of this. Why in the world would I want to listen to the same songs over and over and over, it makes no sense. I have to think there are others like me that listen to no radio at all, you would think they would mix in some variety so they don't lose people like me.

For me in the car it's all ipod and xm radio. At home it's all my own collection on computer, grooveshark, and jango.

I just need to plug my phone in more, but for a quick 9 minute drive, I usually just forgo getting the cable out of the glovebox, hooking up, hoping my head unit recognizes the iphone, and then go. by that time, i could be 1/4 of the way home! haha At home I am ALL pandora and music library. starting to get into spotify and soundcloud has opened me up to some newer stuff too

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Originally Posted by mobeer4don View Post

The songs on the radio aren't for you. They are for idiots that think the screaming man really is selling a $15,000 car for $99 down and $99 month.

Man I bet those Kia's are selling like hotcakes!!!
post #46 of 52
Holy crap I was wasted last night. Lol.

Matt
post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Only a disastrous tour of the US and lazy, idiotic, Americans who couldn't separate them from (mostly) baseless beatles references didn't "get it".

I liked Oasis when they were around. Part of being great is being professional enough to not punch your band-mate/siblings on stage, though.

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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

I don't think MOST "serious" critics overrate Nirvana. Cobain wrote very solid, simple yet anthemic songs that spoke to millions and had one of the greatest voices of his generation. Hard to argue with that.

With music, especially "rock" music, it's ALWAYS about the timing when it comes to crowning THE bands of an era.
***

oasis/radiohead: timing

coldplay (crying shame how far they've fallen, btw): timing

Coldplay certainly couldn't have existed before Radiohead: the genome for every Coldplay song ever written can be found in Radiohead's "Fake Plastic Trees."

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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

now pretty much a staple on US rock radio and consistently listed within the top ten songs of ALL TIME in the UK.

http://bestbritishsongs.xfm.co.uk/50-1?page=5

A list of "Best British [rock] Songs" ([] required because otherwise, knowing the British mainstream, we'd have a list composed mostly of Robbie Williams songs...) that includes no songs from the following in their top fifty: Cream, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin (though they did manage to find some space for the Who at least) is just plain negligent...
post #48 of 52
De gustibus non est disputandum.
post #49 of 52
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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

De gustibus non est disputandum.

Droppin' a dead language on us!!

Very true though.
post #50 of 52
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I saw Van Halen last night and it was the most incredible display of guitar playing I have ever seen in my life.

I have been to hundreds of metal/hard rock concerts, seen pretty much all of the "guitar gods" out there and none of them compare to what I experienced last night. Eddie was so good it was ridiculous. 3 or 4 songs in I already knew it was the best guitar playing I have heard, but when it came solo time..... man. I'm not a fan of guitar solos and that's usually when I take a leak. This solo was jaw dropping. Imagine Eruption but extended much longer and sounding even better but seeing every crazy note played on the big screen. Nuts. Me and the people around me were laughing/shrugging/throwing up their arms etc. and looking at each other like, "can you believe this??" He then played a song called Cathedral which I always assumed was on a synthesizer or organ... nope he plays that sh*t on guitar.

I'm no VH fanboy either. I'm more into metal, but always liked VH growing up. I kind of assumed that Eddie was overrated or that what's on the recordings was done by some kind of studio doctoring etc. Nope. He sounded better than he does on the albums. Not just the solos either, the riffs were crazy sharp, distinct, crunchy, etc. It's like the guy is pitch perfect with the guitar.

I know I'm going on and on, but that is how impressed I was.

If I hadn't gone and was reading this I wouldn't believe it, I thought Eddie was just a crazy old man at this point (well, he still may be). I did not expect this....

Now, Dave on the other hand.... very entertaining but he can't hit a lot of the notes.
post #51 of 52
Saw VH several years ago when they were still touring with Hagar. Their music isnt about the singing, it's about Eddy anyways. Cathedral is a KILLER solo. Look up Spanish Flies too, that is pretty intense. Glad you got to see VH, still my favorite concert of all time, just barely ahead of g3 '03 and Killswitch's last tour.
post #52 of 52
^ Yeah, I've always though that Eddy was one of the most "underrrated greatest gutiarists of all time" if there is such a thing.

Amazing how a good number like to trash him.

I would drive my honda into a building at 60mph if you promised I could play the guitar half as well afterward.

Some things really are a gift.

Speaking of some six-stringing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5tZyIDwZk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvmDv...eature=related

stupid good.

James
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