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post #1231 of 10467
With a trim of -10.5db, the sub is likely still set a little too loud. Try dropping it another notch and run AUTO SETUP again as you want the trim setting to be < -6.0db so the signal from the AVR is strong enough to power on the sub.
post #1232 of 10467
Hi all.... it's been a while since I've been on the forum. But there always comes a time when you have to buy something new and that time is now. I had a lightning strike near the house and it took out three things. My DSL modem, my wireless router and for some reason (electromagnetic energy?) it destroyed the surround sound channels and onscreen display on my Denon 2310CI.

I've pretty much decided to see if I can buy an old 2312 cheaper than the new 2313. But failing that, if I buy either a 2312 or 2313 are these units compatible with the old HDMI v.2 cabling? That is my only worry, I don't want to go shelling out money for a standard I don't need.

Thanks!
post #1233 of 10467
Has anyone else gotten the 2113 to work with 72hz signals over HDMI? I have no problem getting my HTPC to work, but when I set up a 72hz signal, everything falls apart. Sometimes the video is visible for a moment and then it vanishes. If I bypass the 2213 completely, the projector works just fine with the output.
post #1234 of 10467
Hi,

Have searched around for an answer but couldn't seem to find a solution.

I've just bought a 2113, which receives my Media PC via HDMI, and outputs to my Sony Bravia 46HX800 and 5.1 speakers. Does anyone know if there is a way I can have headphones on and speaker sound on at the same time? I've tried a lot of different settings etc but it all seems to be one or the other.

Thanks for any help.
post #1235 of 10467
^^
If you're using the front headphone jack, no; however, if you use a set of wireless headphones you can connect the transmitter to the Zone 2 pre-outs and play analog connected sources selected in either the main zone or Zone 2 while the surround speakers are still playing.
post #1236 of 10467
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Originally Posted by cwm9 View Post

Has anyone else gotten the 2113 to work with 72hz signals over HDMI? I have no problem getting my HTPC to work, but when I set up a 72hz signal, everything falls apart. Sometimes the video is visible for a moment and then it vanishes. If I bypass the 2213 completely, the projector works just fine with the output.

Generally only standard TV signals can pass through the AVR. You may want to try setting the "Video Conversion" setting (p. 107 OM) to OFF.
post #1237 of 10467
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Originally Posted by Lij View Post

Hi all.... it's been a while since I've been on the forum. But there always comes a time when you have to buy something new and that time is now. I had a lightning strike near the house and it took out three things. My DSL modem, my wireless router and for some reason (electromagnetic energy?) it destroyed the surround sound channels and onscreen display on my Denon 2310CI.
I've pretty much decided to see if I can buy an old 2312 cheaper than the new 2313. But failing that, if I buy either a 2312 or 2313 are these units compatible with the old HDMI v.2 cabling? That is my only worry, I don't want to go shelling out money for a standard I don't need.
Thanks!


Yes. The HDMI standard applies to the "device" and not to the "cable."
post #1238 of 10467
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes. The HDMI standard applies to the "device" and not to the "cable."

Ahh.... thanks JD.
post #1239 of 10467
What I don't understand is that there doesn't seem to be a way to route zone 2 to the headphones, nor to play the same thing through the speakers and headphones at the same time. That's just bizarre. I'm considering wiring up a couple of bananna plugs to a 1/4" jack so I can use the zone 2 amp mode to play one thing on the main speakers and another through the headphones. That, or maybe Zone 2 RCA preouts -> headphone amp.

Are there any Audyssey AVRs that can pass a 72hz HDMI signal?
Edited by cwm9 - 7/28/12 at 5:34pm
post #1240 of 10467
I am the proud owner of a new Denon AVR-2113, and so far I have come to love the unit. It replaces my Denon AVR-1707 that I purchased refurbished about four years ago. I only have one issue, but I'm not sure if it's just a psychological thing...I am posting here to seek a little input.

With the 1707, I had my PS3 hooked up to send audio through optical digital...with my 2113, I am making use of HDMI. I feel as though I have to crank the volume much more with HDMI than I did with optical. How could my 2113 be quieter with a higher watt-rating? For example, watching Netflix my 1707 would be comfortably set at -40db while my 2113 must be around -20db for similar volume.

A quick google search yielded a few similar stories, but no absolute answers. Some have suggested that since HDMI can transmit higher-quality (more complex) audio it will inherently be quieter than a lower-grade signal. I don't have anything to back up that claim...but that's where I'm at so far tongue.gif

I've considered trying optical with my 2113 to see if it makes a difference...but before I do that I figured a quick hello here at AVS forum would be fun smile.gif

Cheers!
Jordan
post #1241 of 10467
dB is a relative value, so you have to ask what 0dB is set to.

In fact, the 2113 gives you the option of choosing between two ranges you wish to use for your volume control. (That is, it gives you a two options to choose between for the 0 db point.)

There's "0dB - 98dB", corresponding to the setting the minimum amplification to 0db
There's "-79.5dB - 18dB", which I imagine was chosen so that 0db lines up with the industry standard volume level. (i.e., given a standardized dolby digitial or THX input, 0db is theater level volume.) That's just a guess.

98db is just as loud as 18db, depending on which scale you choose on the same receiver.

Thus, you need to be sure you are comparing apples to apples when you say "-40dB used to be as loud as -20dB is now." 0 db is probably simply set 20 dB quieter on one unit than the other. (Does your new unit go 20 dB or more higher on the db scale than the old one?)

TLDR: Turn the volume up 20db "higher". It's the same volume.
Edited by cwm9 - 7/28/12 at 6:24pm
post #1242 of 10467
Thank you, that makes sense cool.gif

Much appreciated!
Jordan
post #1243 of 10467
Quote:
Originally Posted by cwm9 View Post

Has anyone else gotten the 2113 to work with 72hz signals over HDMI? I have no problem getting my HTPC to work, but when I set up a 72hz signal, everything falls apart. Sometimes the video is visible for a moment and then it vanishes. If I bypass the 2213 completely, the projector works just fine with the output.

since 72hz isn't a valid film or video framerate, what is happening to you isn't surprising... it's unlikely there is anything out there avr-wise that would accept it...

why are you sending 72hz to the pj?
post #1244 of 10467
Quote:
Originally Posted by jordanb450 View Post

I am the proud owner of a new Denon AVR-2113, and so far I have come to love the unit. It replaces my Denon AVR-1707 that I purchased refurbished about four years ago. I only have one issue, but I'm not sure if it's just a psychological thing...I am posting here to seek a little input.
With the 1707, I had my PS3 hooked up to send audio through optical digital...with my 2113, I am making use of HDMI. I feel as though I have to crank the volume much more with HDMI than I did with optical. How could my 2113 be quieter with a higher watt-rating? For example, watching Netflix my 1707 would be comfortably set at -40db while my 2113 must be around -20db for similar volume.
A quick google search yielded a few similar stories, but no absolute answers. Some have suggested that since HDMI can transmit higher-quality (more complex) audio it will inherently be quieter than a lower-grade signal. I don't have anything to back up that claim...but that's where I'm at so far tongue.gif
I've considered trying optical with my 2113 to see if it makes a difference...but before I do that I figured a quick hello here at AVS forum would be fun smile.gif
Cheers!
Jordan

After running AUTO SETUP (Audyssey), "reference" volume is set to either 0db (relative) or 80 (absolute). Your older 1707 did not limit the volume in such a manner. Note that whichever scale you use, set the "Volume Limit" setting to either 0db or 80 to avoid any speaker distortion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cwm9 View Post

dB is a relative value, so you have to ask what 0dB is set to.
In fact, the 2113 gives you the option of choosing between two ranges you wish to use for your volume control. (That is, it gives you a two options to choose between for the 0 db point.)
There's "0dB - 98dB", corresponding to the setting the minimum amplification to 0db
There's "-79.5dB - 18dB", which I imagine was chosen so that 0db lines up with the industry standard volume level. (i.e., given a standardized dolby digitial or THX input, 0db is theater level volume.) That's just a guess.
98db is just as loud as 18db, depending on which scale you choose on the same receiver.
Thus, you need to be sure you are comparing apples to apples when you say "-40dB used to be as loud as -20dB is now." 0 db is probably simply set 20 dB quieter on one unit than the other. (Does your new unit go 20 dB or more higher on the db scale than the old one?)
TLDR: Turn the volume up 20db "higher". It's the same volume.

To avoid confusion, the "relative" volume scale (-79.5db to +18db) is rated in "db", ie. relative to "reference" volume of 0db, while the "absolute" scale (0-98) is not rated in db, rather just a minimum value of 0 to a maximum value of 98.
post #1245 of 10467
Quick Question: need some advice... i currently have the Denon 2807 for my downstairs living area (5:1 setup).. i set up my loft with 5:1 setup and i am in need for a receiver.. i am between the (AVR-2313CI) and the(AVR-3313CI).. i dont do anything too fancy... just a 3d tv/blu-ray.. only need one zone... i love my 2807 and that has 110 wats per chan.. how important is that with the 2313 being 105 and 3313 being 125... your thoughs would be appreciated.. to be honest i know these receivers can do alot more than i use them for, but i love my 2807 and want to stick with the denon family and also want something that may last for a while with any future advances in the AV field...

thanks in advance...
post #1246 of 10467
Thread Starter 
read through the first few posts of this thread, all the models are compared in detail. If your needs are simple get the cheapest receiver that has MultEQ XT and enough inputs and features for your setup.
post #1247 of 10467
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cwm9 View Post

There's "-79.5dB - 18dB", which I imagine was chosen so that 0db lines up with the industry standard volume level. (i.e., given a standardized dolby digitial or THX input, 0db is theater level volume.) That's just a guess.

since you seem like a poster with a lot of general knowledge, you will really benefit from reading through some of the available information on Audyssey, starting with the Audyssey FAQ/101 linked in JD's signature, as well as some of the content on my website. Given your strong knowledge, brushing up on some of the specifics of Audyssey will likely make you an even more helpful contributor.

your "guess" is 100% right but, had you done a little background reading you would have known for sure wink.gif .... any receiver with Audyssey Dynamic EQ calibrates the system precisely such that 0dB (when volume is set to the "relative" scale) on the volume dial corresponds exactly to film reference, i.e., the volume heard at a dubbing stage or calibrated theater.
post #1248 of 10467
what about the wats per channel.... thx....
post #1249 of 10467
Unless you're trying to drive 4-ohm speakers in a very large room, the watt difference between the different models will be moot.
post #1250 of 10467
i have speakercraft aim 8 three's... in a regular size room with 8 foot ceilings..??????????

this is what i will have in my setup,,,, do you think i will need 2 HDMI outputs or just one....

1. TV
2. Direct TV
3. Blu-ray..

as you see not too fancy...

do i need to run the HDIM from the blu ray into the denon and the Direct TV (HDDVR) into the Denon, and then both of the seperatley out via 2 HDMI outputs to the TV...????????

thanks again....
post #1251 of 10467
Dual HDMI outputs are only required if you have 2 displays to pass the signal to (eg. flat panel TV and projector). Also your speakers are 8-ohm @89db so fairly easy to drive. Any Denon model would drive them well.
post #1252 of 10467
great thanks...
post #1253 of 10467
I have a 2113ci.

When I log on to the web page to save my settings I see [ Installer locked! ] at the bottom of the page.

I also see 3 red power buttons seemingly representing 3 zones even though I only have 2. When I click on the top one I get to a page where I can control the AVR remotely, but no 'save' option.

Another odd thing is that there are more options available on that screen that I actually have on my AVR, such as 'HD Radio' and 4 Favorite Station buttons rather than only 3.

Where do I find the option to do a save?
post #1254 of 10467
Did you purchase the AVR new or was it a demo? Regardless, suggest you reset the microprocessor and return all settings to factory defaults (p. 148).
post #1255 of 10467
^^
New from EE. The box was sealed with no evidence of it ever being opened.

Damn, I really don't want to go through everything again, but I will if that's my only option. I may try a soft reset first.
post #1256 of 10467
Are you following the Web Control Control info in the Owner's manual (p. 90)? Otherwise, I don't recall anyone posting seeing "Installer locked" on a new in box item.
post #1257 of 10467
^^
Yes, and I had all of the menus a few days ago, but I didn't do much with them.

I did choose 'Maintenance Mode' from a setup menu earlier today to see what was in there, but I don't remember what, if anything, I did there.
post #1258 of 10467
Ah ... yes, you would see more than normal when in the maintenance mode, so best to stay out of there. wink.gif
post #1259 of 10467
Turning the AVR off, unplugging it for about 2 minutes, plugging it back in and then turning it back on has restored the full web menu.

Oh, and now the choices on my screen match my AVR's capabilities. (3 Favorite Stations instead of 4, no HD Radio choice etc.)

biggrin.gif

Did I almost unlock some stuff hidden in this thing? cool.gif I don't want to hack my brand new AVR!! eek.gif

Thank you for your quick replies to me!!
post #1260 of 10467
Good to know that a soft reset worked, Thanks for reporting back. smile.gif
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