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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

So why do you want to turn it off? The Video Conversion setting must be set to ON to enable the overlay on the "CI" models.

yes that would be the logical choice, but this is more a less an issue of my setup, there's a known bug with certain programs referred to as the 29/59 bug when using cable card tuners and Media Center where the content frame rate switches rapidly between 29/59 FPS on certain channels, while the TV and some video card are able to accommodate for this issue, the AVR is well, freaking out, screen goes blank, and resets, over and over when the video conversion is turned on while viewing an affected channels. this is by no means a show stopper, but wasn't sure if there was a work around, appreciate the response, I'm sure I'll be back, later in the weekend, with more detailed question as I work through setting everything up.

Lots of Great information you have listed in the comparison charts and help section, thanks for all the efforts.
post #1502 of 10465
You might try setting the "i/P scaler" setting to OFF if it's enabled.
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Hi all. This is my first post to the thread and hoping I can get some reassurance on my impending (and exciting) Denon purchase. I know this is very lengthy and I don’t blame you if you don’t have the time to read and just want to skip this. But this is the last step before I buy and I’d appreciate some info and feedback to help me move forward with my purchase with confidence. (I can tell there are a lot of experienced and intelligent people here.)

Situation: I am about to upgrade/replace my entire home theatre/audio systems in my home.

I have two social entertainment areas to address:

1) Living room/home theatre inside the house.
  • Homebuilt HTPC. I am upgrading it to support 1080p/5.1 sound/3-D bluray. It has a Ceton 4-tuner cablecard for TV and it is networked via ethernet to several network shares (all Windows 7) throughout the house. These shares contain a Movie Library with several high quality blu-ray rips (and soon to be 3-D blu-ray rips), a Music Library with several hundred perfectly tagged lossless WMA albums. Also networked Video and Picture Libraries, but they are unimportant for this discussion. Logitech Harmony One is the remote.
  • Samsung UN65ES8000 65” LED TV. Just purchased today to replace my dying old Sony SXRD TV. It will be used mainly as a monitor, but it also has several apps (Netflix, HBO To Go, etc) that may be used once in a while via built-in wifi.
  • These both will be connected via HDMI to the to-be-decided-upon Denon AV receiver. It will be retiring my trustworthy Denon AVR-2807. The Denon receiver will power my beloved Definitive Technology 5.1 speaker setup: 2 BP-10 towers (with internal powered subwoofers) for front, 2 BP-8 towers for rear, and smaller Def-Tech for center.

2) Outside large patio area where a lot of people hang out: grill, Jacuzzi, etc. Just two speakers connected via long but high quality speaker wire to Zone 2 of the Denon receiver. Android smartphone and/or laptop connected via wifi will be available.

Decision: Since I require a two zone (powered) receiver, that starts me at the 1913 – with an eye on the 2113ci. (I have ruled out the xx12 receivers as they have too many Zone 2 deal killers.)

So, here is my understanding of the products with a couple questions:

1- The main scenario I want to address will be a common one in my house. A group of people inside watching a blu-ray movie, watching ESPNHD sports, or playing music. At the same time, people outside want to be listening to music – or listening to audio of the game playing on TV inside if possible.
  • It is my belief while outside that I can use the Denon Remote App on my Android phone, or connect to the Denon 1913/2113ci web interface if I have a laptop outside via wifi that extends to the patio and play (and adjust volume) Internet Radio, Pandora, Spotify, SiriusXM to Zone 2 only without disturbing the people inside the house.
  • It is also my belief that I can use the Denon Remote App or the web interface to play, adjust volume, skip/replay music/albums from my network shares to Zone 2 only without disturbing the people inside the house. Question: The music is all lossless WMA. Will Zone 2 support this or will I have to convert all my music to 320kbps MP3s and put it on a separate share?
  • I don’t have an IPhone. However, if someone outside has an IPhone with music, can he connect to the Denon via Airplay and play music to Zone 2 only without disturbing the people inside? According to batpig and this thread, that should be OK in the xx13 models, but not the xx12 models. However, I called the Denon sales/support team today and asked them this question. He said that to use Airplay, it would have to initiate through the Main Zone and play through both zones. I told him that I was reading from smart and reliable sources online that this is not true with the xx13 models. He went away for 5 minutes and came back and reiterated from his support staff that Airplay uses both zones and cannot just play to Zone 2 independently. Is he wrong? (I hope so - and according to Batpig and JDSmoothie he is. He also told me Spotify had already been sent down via firmware and according to this thread, it hasn’t.)
  • It is my belief that I can also play music outside remotely from the Denon Remote App or the web interface from a USB stick inserted into the Denon xx13 to Zone 2 only, as long as the quality is 320kbps MP3 or lower (or FLAC).
  • It is my belief that I can NOT (sadly) listen to the football game they are watching inside through Zone 2 outside since the HTPC connection is an HDMI digital source.

2 -My last two questions are about the inside experience.
  • ARC is a new concept to me, but this is the way I understand it. Say we are watching a cable or a bluray movie (so the source on the Denon receiver is “Media Server” (HTPC) and the audio is coming out of my Def-Tech speakers. If we decide to go to the Samsung Smart Apps and watch Netflix (for example), I would change the source to something like “TV Audio” on the Denon receiver and the audio would flow backward from the TV to my Denon out to my Def-Tech. Is this how it works? And is it pretty seamless or will I have to do some other magic/trickery with my Harmomy One remote?
  • Strangely, as batpig pointed out in the xx13 FAQ, MultiAudyssey XT is available on the 1713 and the 2113ci, but not the 1913. (Why did they skip over the 1913??) I am no expert about Audyssey, but I will certainly use it to setup my audio and I can tell people here think it’s great. Will the XT version be more critical with my setup (large Def-tech speakers, several listening area for several people, for example) than the regular Audyssey?

Thank you to whomever decided to read this whole thing. Any final feedback would be greatly appreciated. I only upgrade or do something like this once every 6 years or so, so I’m nervous about these types purchases and would like as much info as possible. I think I’m ready to pull the trigger either this weekend or Monday. But the big question is the 1913 or the 2113ci? JDSmoothie makes the point that for ~$70 you get an extra year of warranty, the MultiAudyssey XT, and he likes that he can use the Zone 2 pre-outs to wireless headphones in a separate room. (Maybe I will do that once in a blue moon, but it would be rare – not a headphone guy that much.) How about if the difference on the street was $100? (I think if the difference was <$50, it would be a no-brainer and I’d go for the 2113ci, but it’s hard to justify over that amount.) I’m also been reading the last 15 pages or so of this thread and getting some good info on how the market is pricing these (pricing xx13 for xx12 price when out-of-stock, for example), but any advice on known deals, manufacturer refurbs (should I or shouldn’t I?), is appreciated also.

Thanks once again.
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Originally Posted by petes457 View Post

  • It is my belief while outside that I can use the Denon Remote App on my Android phone, or connect to the Denon 1913/2113ci web interface if I have a laptop outside via wifi that extends to the patio and play (and adjust volume) Internet Radio, Pandora, Spotify, SiriusXM to Zone 2 only without disturbing the people inside the house.
    Based on the info in post #351, this would be true for all but Airplay as it would first start in the Main zone, you could then select it in Zone 2, and return the main zone to whatever it was on ... so a slight interruption in the main zone for a few minutes.
  • It is also my belief that I can use the Denon Remote App or the web interface to play, adjust volume, skip/replay music/albums from my network shares to Zone 2 only without disturbing the people inside the house.
    See above for Airplay.
    Question: The music is all lossless WMA. Will Zone 2 support this or will I have to convert all my music to 320kbps MP3s and put it on a separate share?Not sure. Let us know.
  • I don’t have an IPhone. However, if someone outside has an IPhone with music, can he connect to the Denon via Airplay and play music to Zone 2 only without disturbing the people inside? Yes, with limitation already noted.According to batpig and this thread, that should be OK in the xx13 models, but not the xx12 models. However, I called the Denon sales/support team today and asked them this question. He said that to use Airplay, it would have to initiate through the Main Zone and play through both zones. Correct, but then it can be deselected in the main zone.

    I told him that I was reading from smart and reliable sources online that this is not true with the xx13 models. He went away for 5 minutes and came back and reiterated from his support staff that Airplay uses both zones and cannot just play to Zone 2 independently.
    Is he wrong? Yup. He also told me Spotify had already been sent down via firmware and according to this thread, it hasn’t.)My "more reliable" source says NOPE and no one in the thread has reported it being received either.
  • It is my belief that I can also play music outside remotely from the Denon Remote App or the web interface from a USB stick inserted into the Denon xx13 to Zone 2 only, as long as the quality is 320kbps MP3 or lower (or FLAC).Yup.
  • It is my belief that I can NOT (sadly) listen to the football game they are watching inside through Zone 2 outside since the HTPC connection is an HDMI digital source.Correct, however if the HTPC doesn't have analog outputs, but will also pass audio via the 3.5mm jack, you could connect a 3.5mm to RCA cable to the AVR and that audio will get to Zone 2.
2 -My last two questions are about the inside experience.
  • ARC is a new concept to me, but this is the way I understand it. Say we are watching a cable or a bluray movie (so the source on the Denon receiver is “Media Server” (HTPC) and the audio is coming out of my Def-Tech speakers. If we decide to go to the Samsung Smart Apps and watch Netflix (for example), I would change the source to something like “TV Audio” on the Denon receiver and the audio would flow backward from the TV to my Denon out to my Def-Tech. Is this how it works? And is it pretty seamless or will I have to do some other magic/trickery with my Harmomy One remote?Seamless if it works, but doesn't always work. Review the FAQ post #3 linked in my sig for more info on ARC.
  • Strangely, as batpig pointed out in the xx13 FAQ, MultiAudyssey XT is available on the 1713 and the 2113ci, but not the 1913. (Why did they skip over the 1913??) I am no expert about Audyssey, but I will certainly use it to setup my audio and I can tell people here think it’s great. Will the XT version be more critical with my setup (large Def-tech speakers, several listening area for several people, for example) than the regular Audyssey?Yup. Go with the 2113CI.
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Thanks JDSmoothie for taking the time to read my post. So the two main things to take from your response is 1) I can play many sources outside while other people are inside watching/listening to something else, but there will be a slight interruption on their side when I initiate it until I deselect Airplay from Main Zone from my outside device (Android or web), and 2) go with the 2113ci, it's worth the extra bucks.

Thank you very much.
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Originally Posted by petes457 View Post

Thanks JDSmoothie for taking the time to read my post. So the two main things to take from your response is 1) I can play many sources outside while other people are inside watching/listening to something else, but there will be a slight interruption on their side when I initiate it until I deselect Airplay from Main Zone from my outside device (Android or web), and 2) go with the 2113ci, it's worth the extra bucks.
Thank you very much.

I am using a 2113 and have the denon avr app on both a tablet and on a spare Samsung galaxy phone. It works extremely well on both devices. I like the ability to easily enter settings with the app without disturbing the video and change sound levels from speakers such as the subwoofer level.

David
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I posted in the wrong forum so I'm taking this issue here:
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Originally Posted by josendk View Post

I just got the AVR 3313 and I have a question:
How do I easily switch between two speaker setups? I have 5.1 speakers connected and AKG K1000 headphones connected to surround(assignable). With my AVR 1907 I could just press A or B and it would switch the output. Do I have to use zones or something like that?
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Interesting. Never heard of headphones wired directly to speaker posts before. Denon got rid of dedicated "Front B" speaker posts and a front panel button that easily switched between them a few years ago, however, the Amp Assign posts you have the headphones connected to can still be setup as "Front B". Set AMP ASSIGN (p. 93 OM) to "Front B". If you only plan on using either the headphones or the surround speakers alone, but never both together, the easiest setup would be to assign the "Front B" to the STEREO mode (p. 133 OM) such that when you select STEREO (pressing the MUSIC button on the remote) the audio will switch from the surround speakers to the headphones.
Also note that you've posted in the Denon XX12 Owner's thread, so for more questions on your 3313CI, please post in the XX13 Owner's thread linked in my sig. Also review posts #3-6 in that thread for additional helpful information.

Thanks for the quick answer jdsmoothie. I see how your solution would work, but I want to use 5.1 speakers for games and movies (which works great!) and 2.1 stereo (part of the 5.1 setup) for music. Then I want to easily switch to only using the headphones on the assignable posts (without the subwoofer). Is this maybe possible with some genius quick select settings? smile.gif

Sorry for being difficult with my audio setup :P
post #1508 of 10465
Your best bet may be using a Harmony (or other Universal remote) macro.
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Impressions moving from Onkyo TX-NR807 to Denon AVR-3313CI

I have recently made this upgrade due to to common "no sound output" failure mode with this particular Onkyo model. Below are my observations FWIW.

Amplifier/Sound Quality

In terms of amplifier sound (in direct mode at moderate volume), I cannot really hear a difference between the two brands/models. That said, I only recently moved from really crappy speakers to something decent, so I may not have the most discerning ear.

Moving from Audyssey MultEQ to MultEQ XT made a significant difference as my front speakers are positioned (for aesthetic reasons) in a manner that caused "boomy" bass on the left. The increased filter power on the satellites brought this down to a manageable level. At the same time, the first calibration led to an overly harsh sound that was tamed by re-running with an adjustment of speaker angle and microphone position so the measurements were more on-axis. Even though Onkyo will repair my old AVR, the EQ improvement is so significant that I will go back to the old AVR. If I decide to return the 3313 it will only be to move to an AVR with the MultEQ XT32 equalization. Because the benefits of the more advanced EQ have been stressed by others, by $0.02 is to add that it can make things worse, but in my case it went from worse to better by reading the recommendations here and on the Audyssey site and thinking about what is happening during the calibration.

I miss the THX sound fields offered on the Onkyo because I tended to use those rather than the Dolby modes for watching TV/2 channel video. That said, this is more to personal taste and I don't find the PLII modes to be bad, just a bit different.

DLNA/Network Music Player

I generally listen to music streamed from a DLNA server. Comparing the media players gives an edge to Onkyo for useability and an edge to Denon for the listening experience. Scrolling through a long list of folders on the Denon is line-by-line as opposed to Onkyo which allows you to page up/down for faster navigation. [Edit: David Bulluss explained the CH up/down also work as page up/down]. I also could not find a fast-forward on the Denon player (important when you just want to get to the cannons in the 1812 overture). With the current level of firmware on the Denon, there is < 0.5s gap between tracks compared with about 3s on the Onkyo player. For albums such as Dark Side of the Moon, this difference is significant. Navigation on the Denon iPhone app is fast, but if you close the app/lock the phone, playback stops after the current track.

Zone2 Playback

It has been noted here many times that you cannot play back audio from HDMI sources in Zone2. However, the 3313 manual (p.103) states "The HDMI audio signals for the input source selected in ZONE2 are output from the ZONE2 speakers." This gave me hope, but connecting my WDTV media player via HDMI played in the main zone but not Zone2. Switching to analog inputs allowed the same source to play in both zones. The network DLNA playback worked in both zones simultaneously. For this experiment, I moved the surround speakers to the Zone2 posts, so they were in the same room and zones were synchronous to my ears (I was concerned about main zone delays due to DSP/EQ). I never tried Zone2 stuff with the Onkyo.

User Interface

I have seen comments about the Denon user interface being sub-par but improving on the xx13 models. Because the two companies organize/name stuff differently it was a bit difficult at first, within a day I was comfortable with the Denon interface, so no big deal. The volume adjustment on the Denon remote moves a lot faster than on the Onkyo. A small things, but I preferred the Onkyo (may change my mind the first time a source starts playing with the volume cranked up).

General

There seem to be fewer relay clicks switching modes/source with the Denon than the Onkyo. It never bothered me too much, but the Denon is nicer in this respect. The Denon if far cooler (at least in idle/low volume) and the chassis is about an inch shorter. Neither impact me as I had built cabinetry around the Onkyo, but if I needed to mount the AVR in a tight space with poor ventilation, it would push me to the Denon.
Edited by BBrix - 8/19/12 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yes, you can just hook them up with a Y-cable. The S10.3 is essentially just a newer version of your eXL-S10, just two generations newer. It should be slightly better overall but not different enough that it will cause an issue with calibration.
if that happened it's because Audyssey detected too much ambient noise and had to re-do the speaker test with a louder tone to better a better signal/noise ratio for measurements.
all that matters is that you got a final calibrated channel level that isn't "maxed out" at +/- 12dB. You also want to review the Audyssey FAQ/101 linked in JD's signature as well as my Audyssey FAQ. Have you done the standard procedure of making sure all speakers are set to SMALL with at minimum an 80Hz crossover to ensure bass is getting to the subwoofer?

Thanks for the info Batpig! Ok, I checked and it had my fronts and my rears set to large. I changed them to small under manual set up and re-ran the test. Audyssey configuration shows them at large again. Should speaker size be set during the Audyssey setup (which I keep missing) or am I supposed to change them in the manual setup? I know my subwoofer is set at +6.5. Does changing items in manual setup affect what the Audyssey calibration calculates or is manual setup where they should be changed? Thanks for the assistance wink.gif
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Thread Starter 
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I changed them to small under manual set up and re-ran the test.

bad idea, when you run the calibration it ignores your manual settings and wipes them out with the new settings. You change them manually AFTER calibration.

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Should speaker size be set during the Audyssey setup (which I keep missing) or am I supposed to change them in the manual setup? I know my subwoofer is set at +6.5. Does changing items in manual setup affect what the Audyssey calibration calculates or is manual setup where they should be changed?

Sounds like you would benefit from a read-through of the Audyssey section of my FAQ smile.gif - http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audyssey
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Argh. Posted in the wrong thread. Carry on...
Edited by c3k - 8/18/12 at 9:36pm
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^^
Oops! Wrong thread ... this is the XX13 Owner's thread ... please repost in the XX12 Owner's thread. Thanks.
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Great thread and info thanks for sharing.

I was thinking of going with a 1713 for my 2nd TV room when my thoughts went sideways. My main viewing room has a Denon 4306 that is driving a MKsound S150 based 5.1 system. Should I get a 2113 for the main room and move the 4306?

The main room is too small for 7.1, when we moved I changed from a Def Tech 7.1 speaker system to the MKsound 5.1 system.
I don't run any 2nd zone speakers.
I don't use any pre-outs.
At most I have 5 HDMI inputs.

Will the new components and new Audyssey code found in the mid range 2113 out perform the old high end 4306 ?

thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.
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Thread Starter 
The newer models will add more network features, video processing, GUI, Dynamic EQ/Vol, etc. but I'd be concerned about driving the MK S150's with such a wimpy amp section compared to your 4306. Those are 4ohm speakers and unless you only go to moderate volumes I would want something beefier than an entry-level type receiver.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The newer models will add more network features, video processing, GUI, Dynamic EQ/Vol, etc. but I'd be concerned about driving the MK S150's with such a wimpy amp section compared to your 4306. Those are 4ohm speakers and unless you only go to moderate volumes I would want something beefier than an entry-level type receiver.

Thanks, I'd forgotten they were 4-ohm.

So I'd really need to go with the 4311 to drive the 4-ohm speakers if I wanted to replace the 4306? Is Audyssey XT32 a giant improvement or is it that I'm just reaching for straws with an excuse to get a new toy?
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Yes, if you want to run the AVR at much higher than average (ie. -20db) volume. A number of 4311CI/A100 owners coming from XT AVRs have posted of there being a noticeable improvement in audio fidelity, much more so than going from MultEQ to XT (although this would be expected as the jump in the number of filters used is considerably higher going from XT--> XT32).
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On my 2113ci, I seem to have two separate controls for the subwoofer level.

In the Audio menu there's an option called "Subwoofer Level", and in the Audio\Surround Parameter submenu there's an option called, "LFE".

What, if any, is the difference between these two?

LFE starts at 0db and only goes down.
Subwoofer Level appears to be set by Audyssey, in my case to -6db.

Related, the only way I can see to turn up my subwoofer level is to turn up the "subwoofer level" set by Audyssey, but then that's only possible because my subwoofer was "too loud" and Audyssey turned it down. If I turn down my subwoofer so Audyssey sets the subwoofer level to 0db, it doesn't seem like there'd be any way to boost the subwoofer except to turn down the level of all the other speakers.
post #1519 of 10465
As noted in your Owner's manual, the LFE setting is a specialized setting for specific audio tracks and normally does not need to be changed ...



Otherwise, give it a few weeks to adjust to the sub level set by Audyssey as that is the level the mixer intended it to be set. If after a few weeks, you still want more bass, simply raise the sub volume using the GUI menu as doing so will not have any effect on the Audyssey filters.
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Also note you have to adjust the Subwoofer Level separate for stereo and multichannel sources. I didn't see this in the manual but the adjustment is different depending on what the avr is currently playing. I boost my stereo Subwoofer Level a few dB for listening to music but leave the multichannel setting as it was set by Audyssey.
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Originally Posted by DavidBulluss View Post

I am using a 2113 and have the denon avr app on both a tablet and on a spare Samsung galaxy phone. It works extremely well on both devices. I like the ability to easily enter settings with the app without disturbing the video and change sound levels from speakers such as the subwoofer level.
David

Hi David. Great to hear that the Denon Remote App is working on your tablet - because at the bottom of the Description section of the Denon Remote App on Google Play, it says "This application does not support tablet devices".

Denon Remote App on Google Play
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Just installed the AVR (1913 smile.gif ). I turned it on and then it started some wizard to connect speakers, fine. Then configuration of inputs. I configured only TV Cable box, just for test. Fine. Then it just stop showing any image in the TV screen. I noticed that in the AVR display said something about Network configuration. Somehow I managed to stop the wizard. I can watch TV from the TV box ok. I can enter to setup and it is shown in the screen ok, but if I select any other source, such as FM, I can hear the music from the tunner, but no image is shown.

Somehow it seems that those other sources, like FM tunner, Network, Internet radio, which are supposed to show some texts/images on the screen, can't be seen. When I turn to one of those inputs, the TV shows like the resolution has been changed to "1920x1080 @60Hz" and apparently can't show it. When I go to CBL/SAT, it shows "1920x1080 @60Hz" and that seems fine.

is there a way to tell the AVR to show those inputs with a specific resolution?
post #1523 of 10465
Yes, read the manual that is on the CD, that came with the unit. Specifically start at page 105.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

bad idea, when you run the calibration it ignores your manual settings and wipes them out with the new settings. You change them manually AFTER calibration.
Sounds like you would benefit from a read-through of the Audyssey section of my FAQ smile.gif - http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audyssey

Thanks Batpig. I changed them again after calibration since I saw they were changed back. I did read thru your FAQ and saw that it is recommended for small and increasing crossover, but I didn't see where to change them. Manually after is pretty much what I was looking for. Thanks for the help!
Edited by Musicman17 - 8/19/12 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

Yes, read the manual that is on the CD, that came with the unit. Specifically start at page 105.

I read that part. (re-read it because I had already done it) and can not find any way to specify the resolution for the Audio sources (FM tuner, Network). I could find how to force the resolution output for analog and for HDMI inputs. I changed both to 1920x1080i but still, when I select FM for instance, the TV shows that the resolution has been changed to 1920x1080 (not i nor p) and doesn't show any image. It shows a blank screen for a few seconds and then tries to show an image for a fraction of sec (like that grey screen from poltergeist, don't know how to describe it better) and then black again in a loop.

I have tried changing several settings but nothing seems to work. Not sure what I'm missing frown.gif
post #1526 of 10465
Petes457, Wrong app! I am using AVR remote for Denon.....

David
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Originally Posted by BBrix View Post

Scrolling through a long list of folders on the Denon is line-by-line as opposed to Onkyo which allows you to page up/down for faster navigation

My 2113 remote has page up and down on the left hand side (opposite volume) for skipping down the page.

David
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Originally Posted by hhiguera View Post

I read that part. (re-read it because I had already done it) and can not find any way to specify the resolution for the Audio sources (FM tuner, Network). I could find how to force the resolution output for analog and for HDMI inputs. I changed both to 1920x1080i but still, when I select FM for instance, the TV shows that the resolution has been changed to 1920x1080 (not i nor p) and doesn't show any image. It shows a blank screen for a few seconds and then tries to show an image for a fraction of sec (like that grey screen from poltergeist, don't know how to describe it better) and then black again in a loop.
I have tried changing several settings but nothing seems to work. Not sure what I'm missing frown.gif

This is an issue reported on the XX12 models, although not as yet reported on the XX13 models. Are any other 1913 owners experiencing no menu with NET/USB input selected?
post #1529 of 10465
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Originally Posted by DavidBulluss View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBrix View Post

Scrolling through a long list of folders on the Denon is line-by-line as opposed to Onkyo which allows you to page up/down for faster navigation

My 2113 remote has page up and down on the left hand side (opposite volume) for skipping down the page.

David

David, thanks!
This works for me on the 3313.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Originally Posted by hhiguera View Post

I read that part. (re-read it because I had already done it) and can not find any way to specify the resolution for the Audio sources (FM tuner, Network). I could find how to force the resolution output for analog and for HDMI inputs. I changed both to 1920x1080i but still, when I select FM for instance, the TV shows that the resolution has been changed to 1920x1080 (not i nor p) and doesn't show any image. It shows a blank screen for a few seconds and then tries to show an image for a fraction of sec (like that grey screen from poltergeist, don't know how to describe it better) and then black again in a loop.
I have tried changing several settings but nothing seems to work. Not sure what I'm missing frown.gif

This is an issue reported on the XX12 models, although not as yet reported on the XX13 models. Are any other 1913 owners experiencing no menu with NET/USB input selected?

Parts of what are described are similar to what I see with the 3313, though I have not experienced the loop of showing an image and then to black.

When I first installed the AVR I got part way through the auto setup before the screen went away. Unfortunately, I do not remember exactly what I did next (my setup is usually a race from box open to audio out). What I notice is I do not get video out unless there is video in. For instance, if I select a blu-ray source that is turned off, there is naturally no display, but I also cannot get the menu to appear. So, if an external HDMI input is connected, turn it on and try to access the menu from there.

With regard to the Network source specifically, the AVR can disable the display when this is the source, so that is an item to check. The menu path was
[SETUP] --> Video --> Audio Display --> Audio --> {Off, 10s, 30s, Always}. If you are set to Off, try another option.
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