The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX13 Model Owner's Thread & FAQ - Page 56

Just got my new 1913 hooked up and cannot get my cable box to play correctly. earlier I was getting audio but the video would go on and off every second or so. Never a steady picture. Now I get audio for a few seconds and then nothing. Its a cisco box from AT&T U-Verse. All of my other components connected to the receiver work perfectly.

My 2113 there is an option to have distances calculated to 100mm or 10mm. Just looking in the setup menu under manual setup I can input to 10mm.

David

Cool. That's one up for the Denon.

What I am trying to achieve, is that I like listening to 2ch music up-mixed into multichannel. I use centre, wides, and side surrounds in addition to L/R front. With the Yamaha AVR I have I am using its front presence channel as a surrogate wide. I really like what wides add to the soundstage, so this is what is attracting me to Denon as they support this channel officially.

I see in the manual multi-channel stereo is described...

"This mode is for enjoying stereo sound from all speakers. The same sound as that from the front speakers (L/R) is played back at the same level from the surround speakers (L/R) and surround back speakers (L/R)"


Going by that it doesn't appear to utilise the wides? It also doesn't look like you can adjust each additional channel's percentage of of signal?

Like anything, the devil is in the details. I would hate to make a big purchase like this and then find it can't do what I thought I could do with it.

I wonder what would be the best way to get 2ch music into my speaker configuration?

I am unable to help with info on wides as I don't use them, but the level of each channel in multi channel mode can be adjusted individually, and by using a remote app on a phone or tablet the levels can be adjusted "on the fly".

David

And that's not just adjusting overall speaker level, but adjusting the parameters of multi-channel stereo mode? So if I pop on a DVD next and use its straight 5.1, my speakers are still correctly balanced?
Edited by kiwi2 - 8/26/12 at 4:50pm

If the Front Wides are connected, then the "Multi CH Stereo" will play the same FL/FR audio to the FWL/FWR speakers. There is no additional % feature, rather simply either the capability to change the volume of each speaker or use a FADER feature to move the audio more forward or to the rear.

Thanks for that. This is why I wanted to ask, as quite often manuals can be unclear on certain things. Plus there is no guarantee that a salesman in a shop will have any idea what you are asking about and just make up an answer that helps make the sale.

Yes, correct

Ok, this is looking more promising minute by minute.

So to recap - I can adjust speaker distances manually if I choose by 10mm increments. I can utilise front wides in 'multichannel stereo mode'. And I can adjust the different channel's volume solely in 'multichannel stereo mode' without affecting other playback modes... like straight 5.1? So I can adjust how subtle or immersive I want the surround up-mix to be?

One big advantage of using a Denon for this, is that it will give me bass management and EQ on the front wide channel. The trouble with the Yamaha front presence channel is that it doesn't have any bass management or EQ.

The thing with using DSX is that I have to use another DSP mode to get 2ch to 5.1 first then use DSX. It seems a little counter intuitive to use two up-mix modes from the original source.

Anybody have any experience with up-mixing 2ch music with the 3313? Thoughts on what worked better?

Kiwi2, I really like being able to adjust the subwoofer level "on the fly" as well from either a phone/tablet app or from the AVR remote (a phone/tablet app is less intrusive if watching a film as it doesn't require bringing a menu up on the screen)

David

Is it possible to get an HD picture on my TV when using component cables from my cable box to my receiver? For some reason running and HDMI from the uverse box to the receiver causes problems. I swapped it out this morning with a component cable and I have picture and audio, but the picture is not HD and I can't live with that, lol.

onelochevy, make sure that the UVerse box is set either for 720p or 1080i, and that you are watching channels in the 1000's.

It's all setup correctly. I've had uverse for about a year now but just installed my first surround sound system this weekend and am trying to get it to work through the receiver now instead of directly to the TV. If I bypass the receiver and run the HDMI directly to the TV, it works fine. But it will not work when going through the receiver, which means I can't use my 5.1 system when watching TV.

You can, you will just have to run a separate audio feed to the AVRS until you get a different dvr from ATT.

What does "the picture is not HD mean?" HD resolution is 720p, 1080i, or 1080p. The component cable can pass 720p or 1080i. You can then let either the AVR upscale it to 1080p or let your TV upscale it to 1080p, whichever does the better job.

How did it go? Did you manage to get any pic on the TV? I'm interested because this sounds like the same issue I have with my brand new 1913, where internal sources didn't show anything in the screen (or it only shows the "snow"). Network, Ipod & FM sources wouldn't show anything on the TV, but external sources (Cable, PS3, Media player) worked ok.

I spent about two frustrating weeks trying to set it up, including buying new HDMI cables and so on....

If it helps, what I did was this: using the web control (from a PC in the network, open a browser and type the IP address of the receiver) I activated the HDMI Control (it defaults to Off). Then I turn all devices off. Turned the amp first, wait some seconds (until it seems fully on) and then turn on the TV. That seemed to work for me. Even though it still have the issue once in a while (which is ofc very frustrating since this is a new device).

Having difficult time geting zone2 to work. Model is a 3313ic. I have the 5.1 setup working fine, and the addtional outdoor speakers are hooked up to the "Assignable" speaker jacks... How on earth do I assign those to zone 2? When I switch to zone 2 i get nothing..

Only "analog" connected sources and the onboard sources (ie. internet radio, Pandora, Airplay, Tuner) will pass to those Zone 2 speakers (ie. no HDMI sources). Make sure to turn Zone 2 "ON" and then select one of the above sources.

Okay I'll make sure I test that again tonight then.. thought I already tried the Tuner source but maybe not. Still figuring out the wireless bridge situation so airplay is out of the question for now. Thanks JD.

Are the "Assignable" jacks the default zone2?

Looking for some speakers advice for Zone 2.

I have an AVR-1913, with Boston acoustics SoundWare XS 5.1. (so they are decent speakers but not in the higher end). I'm looking for 2 speakers for a separate room that I want to control from the AVR. Considering that zone 2 has not subwoofer I guess the speakers should have some kind of bass output so they get a good sound? Any advice to find such speakers? I want a good sound without breaking my wallet which is already hurt from buying the AVR & Speakers.

What i mean is that the picture is no where near as sharp or bright as with an HDMI cable and the picture itself has a widescreen effect, so it doesnt use up the full size of my display. Its like watching a non HD channel through an HD capable cable box.

Yes.

Ensure the "i/P Scaler" setting(p. 106 OM) is not set to OFF. You also may want to try setting the resolution setting to "1080p" vice "Auto". Also try another set of component cables. If the issue cannot be resolved, simply connect the cable box (HDMI) directly to the TV with cable box (optical) to the AVR for surround sound.

If you like the little cube-like BA speakers and the Zone 2 volume is only background music, you might want to consider just buying 2 more ---> http://www.amazon.com/Boston-Acoustics-SoundWare-Satellite-Speaker/dp/B002XCE19E/ref=pd_sim_e_3

Otherwise, for speaker advice, you're really better served posting in the Speakers forum with your max budget and room size.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/89/speakers

The i/p scaler was indeed set to OFF. I changed it to HDMI and reconnected the component cables from the cable box to the receiver. Now I have audio but no video. This stuff is driving me crazy, lol. I had audio and non-hd video this morning with the components. I then disconnected them because I wanted to try out the HDMI cables again and when I reconnected them I had no video, which is still the case. I just dont understand how I was getting a video signal this morning and now, nothing.

By saying you changed it to "HDMI" you mean "Analog & HDMI" correct? Ensure the "Video Convert" setting is also set to ON.

I like them, but they don't seem to produce enough bass to me. Not sure if it has to do with how the Audyssey setup the Denon AVR (not so familiar with that).

Thanks. I wasn't aware of a forum on speakers. I will check it

BTW: Can you select a music mode for Zone 2? I guess it would only be Stereo or Direct since it is only 2 channels, but... could you at least select between those two? "Direct" sounds quite poor in the main zone.

1. With a sub in the mix, the AVR will set the speaker crossovers appropriately to pass the low frequency signal to the sub to process. If you prefer a stronger bass effect, you'll want to select better bass capable (ie. larger) speakers for Zone 2.

2. Zone 2 allows for STEREO mode only (although DIRECT would produce the same signal as well in this case). Note that DIRECT in the main zone disables Audyssey and any bass management which is why it sounds different.

Just to piggy back that concept. I ran my auddesy, which sound modes will it apply to for music and movie? So if I want to compare my sound with Auddessy and without I just need to change to direct?