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post #1741 of 10467
The other nice thing about Crutchfield is they have a 60 day return policy. smile.gif

Connect a component cable from the cable box to the AVR and select that input when you want to listen to another audio source.
post #1742 of 10467
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Originally Posted by Chasim View Post

I asked:
I have an AVR-1713. When I play Blu-rays and DVDs, I cannot get hear speech. I hear music (including singing), sound effects, etc., just not speech/dialogue. When trailers are playing, occassionally the display (on the unti) will change from "MULTI IN" to "STEREO" and I can hear dialogue. With my set-up, I only have 2 front speakers (which is how I configured the unit settings).
I have tried both a soft reset and a microprocessor reset. I have also checked all the connections.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.
I ran Audyssey and nothing changed. I still do not hear voice/dialogue from a Blu-ray disc when the display shows MULTI IN. I wonder if I have a defective unit?

Either reset the Blu Ray player to only pass PCM 2.0 audio or when the front panel display reads "MULT CH IN", press the MOVIE button and select the STEREO mode.
post #1743 of 10467
I'm building a home theater for a small 8x12 room where you face the longer wall on a L shaped couch.

I chose a Denon AVR-2113CI to run Polk TL3 fronts, centers, and 2 rears plus 2 Polk OWM5s for additional rears for 7 channels. My .1 is a Polk PSW111 sub. The fronts are on pinpoint mounts above the TV in the corners, the center is flush mounted below the TV. The 2 TL3 outside rears are also on pinpoint mounts and the inner OWM5s are flush mounted.

The TV a TC-P55VT50.

Objective is primarily a fantastic movie experience. My AppleTV will run the majority of other media, all in iTunes formats,

Thoughts?
post #1744 of 10467
Ideally you would want the center speaker on line with the FL/FR tweeters (so there is a smooth transition from L->R or R->L) so consider placing the center speaker above the TV as well with all three speakers aimed down towards the main listening position and the FL/FR speakers angled inward as well. Not sure if you mean the FL/FR are mounted at the corners of the TV or the corners of the 12' wall? If the latter, then consider moving them in closer to the TV. Also, if the couch is against the back 12' wall, not sure how you can have rear surround speakers behind you which generally need about 2'-3' distance behind the couch (and why most folks just use 5.1)? In the end it's your setup and whatever works for you is the goal. smile.gif
post #1745 of 10467
I have my Denon 1913 in a small TV room. Next to it I have an office (a wall with no door between them), so when I work from home I turn on the Denon tuner to listen to the radio.

I've noticed that when I'm in the the office the subwoofer sounds quite louder than when I'm in the TV room where it sounds just right. What should I do to lower the subwoofer volume when I'm in the office without having to change other parameters, since they are ok for when I watch TV.?

I tried from the web control, under Audio settings (SUBWOOFER LEVEL), to change:

Subwoofer: Which usually is On to Off
Subwoofer Level: which is set to -8.00 dB to anything else

But the AVR doesn't seem to change them. The page just refreshes showing the original values.

Do I have to change something else to be able to manage those two settings?
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post #1747 of 10467
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
What about your response to my question?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq/1700_100#post_22355299

Sorry! Here it goes. rolleyes.gif

Actually I haven't really tried it yet. But as I mentioned in my original email I though it'd be better to connect everything to the AVR and have only one HDMI to the TV. One reason being the video processing (true: I'm not really sure about that, and that was the origin of my question) and also because It feels more organized. Less remote controls handling, etc.
post #1748 of 10467
Regardless of whether you choose to connect the video to the AVR or not, it would be nice for some of you new XX13 owners to provide feedback on how the new AD video chips compare to just letting the TV doing the upscaling. smile.gif
post #1749 of 10467
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Note that AL24 and AL24+ are often used interchangeably which is likely where the confusion may be here. Even Denon fails to note the (+) on its own web spec pages as shown below. AL24+ has been around for at least the past 7 years featured on all the 33XX series AVRs as well as the predecessor models 2809, 2808, and 2807 and on all of these models (to include the 3313) the feature only applies to the FL/FR speakers. The quote you posted above is the same general description of AL24+ that Denon has listed in the back of its manuals for every model that features AL24+; however, only the 4XXX series and higher apply it to ALL channels.
From Denon's web page on the 3313 .....

Thanks for the clarification of your source of information. It's as I had suspected.

This is clearly a case of the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing at Denon.

The discussion of this at Denon Support focused exclusively on website content for AVR-3313 at both Denon UK and US v content of owners manual documentation for both UK and US. In both cases the website content is correct for the listed product (ALR24), but that product is not what is actually inside of AVR-3313. Product in AVR-3313 is ALR24 Processing Plus and as such the definition for it in owners manual is correct. Denon Support have confirmed this.

So Denon CA, UK and US websites get it wrong, whilst Denon DE and FR are correct in what product is inside of AVR-3313:
http://www.denon.de/de/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=HomeTheatre&SubId=AVReceivers&ProductId=AVR3313

In DSP section of Detaillierte Spezifikationen tab.


http://www.denon.fr/fr/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=HomeTheatre&SubId=AVReceivers&ProductId=AVR3313

In DSP section as well of Spécs détaillées tab


BTW, we only discussed AVR-3313. At no time did we discuss any other product.
post #1750 of 10467
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Originally Posted by hhiguera View Post

I have my Denon 1913 in a small TV room. Next to it I have an office (a wall with no door between them), so when I work from home I turn on the Denon tuner to listen to the radio.
I've noticed that when I'm in the the office the subwoofer sounds quite louder than when I'm in the TV room where it sounds just right. What should I do to lower the subwoofer volume when I'm in the office without having to change other parameters, since they are ok for when I watch TV.?
I tried from the web control, under Audio settings (SUBWOOFER LEVEL), to change:
Subwoofer: Which usually is On to Off
Subwoofer Level: which is set to -8.00 dB to anything else
But the AVR doesn't seem to change them. The page just refreshes showing the original values.
Do I have to change something else to be able to manage those two settings?

There are two sets of speaker/sub settings ... (1) Audyssey Setup, which will display the settings returned after running Audyssey and will never change unless you run Audyssey again, and (2) Manual Setup, which will display the same settings as in (1), unless you manually make changes in which case the manual changes will be listed here and will be the current "active" settings. So if in "Manual Setup" you set the Subwoofer to NO, it should turn off the subwoofer.
post #1751 of 10467
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

Thanks for the clarification of your source of information. It's as I had suspected.
This is clearly a case of the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing at Denon.
The discussion of this at Denon Support focused exclusively on website content for AVR-3313 at both Denon UK and US v content of owners manual documentation for both UK and US. In both cases the website content is correct for the listed product (ALR24), but that product is not what is actually inside of AVR-3313. Product in AVR-3313 is ALR24 Processing Plus and as such the definition for it in owners manual is correct. Denon Support have confirmed this.
So Denon CA, UK and US websites get it wrong, whilst Denon DE and FR are correct in what product is inside of AVR-3313:
http://www.denon.de/de/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=HomeTheatre&SubId=AVReceivers&ProductId=AVR3313
In DSP section of Detaillierte Spezifikationen tab.
http://www.denon.fr/fr/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=HomeTheatre&SubId=AVReceivers&ProductId=AVR3313
In DSP section as well of Spécs détaillées tab
BTW, we only discussed AVR-3313. At no time did we discuss any other product.

Not really sure what point you're trying to make.

AL24 Processing Plus = AL24+

My point in providing the other models is that AL24 Processing Plus has been on all the 3313CI predecessors for the past 7 years and is therefore is not something new. It's also only on the FL/FR speakers on the 3313CI which is not what is published in the Owner manual.
post #1752 of 10467
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

There are two sets of speaker/sub settings ... (1) Audyssey Setup, which will display the settings returned after running Audyssey and will never change unless you run Audyssey again, and (2) Manual Setup, which will display the same settings as in (1), unless you manually make changes in which case the manual changes will be listed here and will be the current "active" settings. So if in "Manual Setup" you set the Subwoofer to NO, it should turn off the subwoofer.

Thanks.. I understand. My next question would be where do I select if I want to work in Audyseey or Manual mode? I see if I go to "Speakers" in the setup it says "Speakers - Manual Setup".... If I change anything there then I'm selecting Manual mode? How do I select to go back to Audyseey ?
post #1753 of 10467
Thread Starter 
you are a bit confused here, there is no "Audyssey Mode" or "Manual Mode" when you are referring to the speakers settings. Audyssey is not a "mode" unless you are referring to turning the room EQ on/off or something. In terms of speaker settings, Auto Setup measures and calibrates and gives you a set of configured speaker parameters, which get copied into the Manual Setup area. From that point forward, whatever settings that are listed in Manual Setup are THE settings.

The settings listed in Audyssey Setup are just a "report card" of what was measured. If you make manual settings and want to revert back to what Auto Setup configured, you can RESTORE the settings in the Parameter Check section of Audyssey Settings.
post #1754 of 10467
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Originally Posted by hhiguera View Post

Thanks.. I understand. My next question would be where do I select if I want to work in Audyseey or Manual mode? I see if I go to "Speakers" in the setup it says "Speakers - Manual Setup".... If I change anything there then I'm selecting Manual mode? How do I select to go back to Audyseey ?

You're confusing "Manual Setup" with MultEQ "Manual" mode (renamed "Graphic EQ" on the 1913).
post #1755 of 10467
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Originally Posted by coravs View Post

Recently purchased a 3313, and overall happy with it. But one question has stumped me.
When I listen to my squeezebox, I like multi-channel stereo. But my surrounds are too loud (for my taste), so I take them down via setup>speaker>manual>levels.
But when I watch movies, I would like the surround volume levels to be back up. But they are not. I thought that they were "remembered" depending on input. But it seems the only way I can change the surround levels is via a "global" setup? I wouldn't mind changing each time, except for that awful, loud white noise...
Any help would be appreciated.

Although channel levels were saved by surround mode on prior year models, AFAIK, when the "CH LVL" remote adjustment capability was removed from the remote, so to was this feature. Channel level volume settings are now global for all surround modes on the XX13 models.
post #1756 of 10467
anybody can help me with that? Thanks in advance!
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Originally Posted by Scottie666 View Post

just wondering how i can find more information about the web control feature in 1713, i failed to find the information in the users manual, thanks in advance!
post #1757 of 10467
^^
Perhaps you could be more specific? What additional information is it that you need that isn't provided on pp. 76-77?
post #1758 of 10467
So, who else is frustrated by the lack of news regarding the supposed Spotfy upgrade for our Denon receivers? I live my 2113-CI but that would make it perfect. Anyone know anything besides the canned "upgrade via firmware in late summer" stuff?

Pat
post #1759 of 10467
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Originally Posted by patnshan View Post

So, who else is frustrated by the lack of news regarding the supposed Spotfy upgrade for our Denon receivers? I live my 2113-CI but that would make it perfect. Anyone know anything besides the canned "upgrade via firmware in late summer" stuff?
Pat

Don't feel too bad...those of us that bought the xx11 series receivers had to wait what seemed like forever to get our Airplay upgrades. Not to mentiont the fact that some of us actually PAID $50 extra (not me fortunately...whew) when it was first made available only to learn later that it would be made available for free.

Cheers,

C.Wood
post #1760 of 10467
Quote:
Originally Posted by patnshan View Post

So, who else is frustrated by the lack of news regarding the supposed Spotfy upgrade for our Denon receivers? I live my 2113-CI but that would make it perfect. Anyone know anything besides the canned "upgrade via firmware in late summer" stuff?
Pat

While waiting there are other options to get Spotify to the AVR .... laptop, iPad, smartphone to name a few.
post #1761 of 10467
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Although channel levels were saved by surround mode on prior year models, AFAIK, when the "CH LVL" remote adjustment capability was removed from the remote, so to was this feature. Channel level volume settings are now global for all surround modes on the XX13 models.

Damn! mad.gif

This is what I have been trying to get clear on before I move from Yamaha to Denon. I also want to be able to get 2ch music into side surrounds, wides, centre, and of course fronts.

But Denon's 'multichannel stereo' doesn't seem to have any adjustable parameters. You simply get full signal strength to all additional channels. Dolby PLll and DTS NEO:6 both have adjustable parameters, but they do not play to the wide channels. DSX supports the wide channel but does not up-mix from 2ch.

The must be some way to get 2ch music into side surrounds, wides, centre etc that can be manually adjusted to how strong or subtle you want the effect to be.

Is that at all possible with the 3313...???
post #1762 of 10467
2CH audio can be simulated to 5.1 using DD PLII and then DSX can be applied to add either heights or wides.
post #1763 of 10467
Thread Starter 
PLII Music + DSX will give you the most control over how strong you want the effect to be.
post #1764 of 10467
Hi,
I'm looking to replace my AVR-4310 with either the 3313 or 4311. I have a few questions

My primary reason for "upgrading" my unit is to get 3D pass thru and Airplay. Another nice bonus is the way Sirius & XM are implemented into the units if I understand this correctly. Presently you have to subscribe to one of these services as with the xx10 series in addition to purchasing the adapter. With the new units one merely only needs an internet subscription tied to any other unit. Is there an ID # associated with the xx13 units? I ask as It make no sense for Sirius/XM. They stand to loose revenue if this is the case. Many of us have XM or Sirius in our cars, if one only needs to add an internet subscription for 2.99/month that sure beats paying 6.99 or above for a second unit on the account. Secondly it brings XM back into the picture as XM isn't compatible with later units.
For those of you who have the internet subscription, how is the sound quality as compared to satellite?
post #1765 of 10467
The 4311CI would require the same Sirius adapter used with the 4310CI (XM connection is dropped) but uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT32, while the 3313CI has the Sirius/XM internet feature but uses the same version of XT as is used on the 4310CI. AFAIK, with the 3313CI you simply have to add the internet connection subscription to your car account.
post #1766 of 10467
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevies3 View Post

Hi,
I'm looking to replace my AVR-4310 with either the 3313 or 4311. I have a few questions
My primary reason for "upgrading" my unit is to get 3D pass thru and Airplay. Another nice bonus is the way Sirius & XM are implemented into the units if I understand this correctly. Presently you have to subscribe to one of these services as with the xx10 series in addition to purchasing the adapter. With the new units one merely only needs an internet subscription tied to any other unit. Is there an ID # associated with the xx13 units? I ask as It make no sense for Sirius/XM. They stand to loose revenue if this is the case. Many of us have XM or Sirius in our cars, if one only needs to add an internet subscription for 2.99/month that sure beats paying 6.99 or above for a second unit on the account. Secondly it brings XM back into the picture as XM isn't compatible with later units.
For those of you who have the internet subscription, how is the sound quality as compared to satellite?

Hey Stevie,

keep in mind that only the 3313 (not the 4311) can get Sirius/XM directly thru the receiver, with the 4311 you would need either a separate plug in module or you could just Airplay into it, if you have an iDevice or an Android (I think Android phone can do Airplay, but not sure since I don't have one).

As far as the sound quality, I can only attest to Airplay streaming into the receiver and it sounds about the same if not a little worse actually, than say, using Pandora built into the receiver. Actually, I think Pandora sounds better for music, but to be honest, I only really use Sirius for sports and talk shows, I rarely, if ever listen to music through Sirius, so take that for what it's worth.

smile.gif

Cheers,

C. Wood
post #1767 of 10467
Damn JD....always so quick to reply...beaten to the punch again..as always biggrin.gif
post #1768 of 10467
I don't know if it is safe to talk about pricing or not, but since the deal is smoking hot, Fry's has the 2113CI on sale for $499 this weekend, if you don't want to drive you can pricematch to paulstv.com or similar. Apologies in advance if this isn't legal.
post #1769 of 10467
Greetings! First time in this forum. Blown away by the technical expertise and willingness to help. Thanks!

I confess though, I wouldn't be here at all if I didn't have a question. Apologies in advance if this has already been asked and answered. It's a loooong thread.

So I hooked up my new 2113CI with great results. Big difference from my old Denon that had no HDMI. I fell in love with my Sony plasma all over again. But, others in the household aren't crazy about the sound for regular tv programming coming from the speakers (5.1). I can't seem to find a way to hardwire the sound to the back of the tv and just turn the AVR volume down.

Is there a secret or a trick to get sound from the TV ONLY but still have the AVR right there in the background? Currently, if I want to switch and listen to tunes from my Apple TV for example, I have to go into Setup > HDMI > Audio out > TV (or AVR) each time I want to switch. Slow and tricky to teach to those who don't want to be bothered.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Stink
post #1770 of 10467
You would have to connect the source audio to both the TV and the AVR (eg. connect the cable/sat box HDMI directly to the TV and also connect an optical cable from the cable/sat box to the 2113CI).
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