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post #1771 of 10468
Just purchased the 2113CI; Samsung 60 in LEd with. My old receiver was a denon and loved it. I must not have the new one set up correctly. I get 5.1 sound but the front speakers seem so quiet...everything else is good. I'm trying to figure out how to increase the sound to the front 2 speakers. Page 99 of manual shows how to go to Main > Setup > Volume....I see nothing there about individual speakers. I select Surround Sound and the manual shows me Cinenma EQ, Loudness, Dynamic Comp, Low Freq, Center Image, etc. But all I see on my screen is Cinema Eq and Low Freq....do I not have something set up correctly? The panorama option looks interesting, but don't see it on my screen. Question.....how can I increase the sound of my front speakers and why don't I see all the other options on my screen?

Thanks, Tom
post #1772 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Tom - have you run Audyssey to calibrate the speakers?

If you want to check channel levels and adjust volumes for individual speakers you can do it in Speakers > Manual Setup > Levels.
post #1773 of 10468
Thread Starter 
AVR 2113ci Review!

Part 1 - Unboxing and Hook-up

Link to Part 2 (Setup and Basic Use)
Link to Part 3 (AirPlay, networking and iPhone app control)
Link to Part 4 (Audyssey calibration and Sound Quality)

All - It was finally time to update, the 2310ci is still going strong but I wanted to get a Network / Airplay enabled unit, plus jump to MultEQ XT. Plus of course it is good to have some hands-on experience with new units to help you guys troubleshoot and update my setup guide! smile.gif

My 2113ci arrived from Electronics Expo today. Shipping was fast and free and the customer service was great, and E-E made me feel good about having endorsed them as the best source for Denon AVR's for quite some time now. I may end up swapping up to the 2313ci, but I wanted to try out the 21xx level first since that's been our semi-official "best buy" since its introduction last year in the xx12 lineup.

The package was nicely double-boxed to prevent damage. I had my camera handy since I'd been snapping photos of the batpiglet most of the day, so I'll indulge you all some box-opening porn and some comparison shots with the outgoing 2310ci.


Double Boxed from Electronics Expo






Next it was time to dig behind the 2310ci and start dodging dust bunnies and unplug all the old cables. I pulled the 2310ci out of the a/v console and took a few comparison snapshots so you can see the change in aesthetics between the xx10 and xx13 "CI" models:


2310ci vs. 2113ci






Personally, I dig the new aesthetics. Having them together in person, the 2310ci has a beefier, more "industrial" feel but the 2113ci looks sleeker and more modern. Not that aesthetics are a big factor for me though, considering it will live behind closed doors in my a/v console.

As you can see the new 2113 (as do all the lower models) has a new, shallower chassis design. Width is the same, height is essentially the same (4mm difference) but the 2113ci is almost 2" shallower. It is also about 4lbs lighter (25lbs down to 21lbs), but build quality feels the same. I'm not one to fret about the size/weight of my electronics gear, all I care about is performance, so as far as I'm concerned I'm fine with the lighter unit and the extra room in my console. As I note in the comparisons at the beginning of this thread, the 2313/3313 are built on a deeper chassis, so if you do care about that kind of stuff then stepping up is a good idea. The 2313ci is almost the same weight as my 2310ci (just under 1 lb lighter).


2310ci vs. 2113ci - back panel comparison



Moving around to the back panel, you can see that the lower level and 3 gens newer 2113ci has a significantly more stripped down input/output layout. Some will applaud this, some will wail about the great injustice done to their S-video equipped LaserDisc unit. While, all things equal, I wouldn't mind the extra connectivity options, the bottom line is the 2113ci has everything I actually NEED. All of my devices are HDMI at this point, I need a couple of analog connections to pipe audio to Zone 2, maybe a component video input, and, uh.... that's it really.

Examining the back panel, you can see change three generations brings -- the loss of the EXT IN multichannel analog inputs, the PHONO input, S-video inputs, 1 each component video input & output, two SPDIF inputs (1 each optical/coax), the two switched AC outputs, and a few composite audio/video inputs. However, I don't use a single one of these, personally.... stepping up to the 2313ci model will (as I discuss in the model comparisons at the beginning of this thread) restore much of the additional connectivity. However, on a practical level the 2113ci has more than enough inputs for the typical contemporary HT setup, where most devices use HDMI and you *maybe* need a couple of analog inputs for Zone 2.

What the 2113ci gives back in exchange includes the front-panel HDMI and USB inputs, and of course the networking. But I'll get back to that in a bit....

Hook-up was straightforward, but of course it would be embarrassing if batpig had trouble hooking up a Denon receiver right? tongue.gif I went with the straightforward setup plugging into the default names, so my PS3 is "Game", my Roku box is "Media Player", my HD-DVD player is "DVD", my Blu-ray player is, well, "Blu-Ray'. The only odd duck was my Mac Mini, which gets to live with "Cable/Sat" since I don't have a cable box. But of course always keep in mind that all inputs can be reassigned and renamed as needed.



Continue to Part 2 (Setup and Basic Use)
Jump ahead to Part 3 (AirPlay, networking and iPhone app control)
Jump ahead to Part 4 (Audyssey calibration and Sound Quality)

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Edited by batpig - 9/5/12 at 4:47pm
post #1774 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Part 2 - Setup and Use

Back to Part 1 (Setup and Basic Use)
Link to Part 3 (AirPlay, networking and iPhone app control)
Link to Part 4 (Audyssey calibration and Sound Quality)

It's late at night right now and Mrs. Batpig and the Batpiglet are asleep, so no Audyssey bonks and chirps are on the menu tonight. But of course that didn't stop me from turning the unit on and playing around!

Having never used a model newer than the xx11 generation, I was a bit surprised to be greeted by the new Setup Assistant upon booting up the unit and selecting English as my language. Photo below, excuse the horrendous lighting:




I decided to humor Mr. Setup Assistant in as non-patronizing a way as possible and let him hold my hand and walk me through the basics (uh-huh mister "assitant", you do know I'm batpig right?). All kidding aside, I think this Assistant is a real boon for neophyte AVR users. It walks you through the hookup of all speaker connections and devices, running Audyssey (which I skipped for now), setting up your network, etc. You can of course modify everything later on in the Setup menus, but this is a great way for the novice to get up and running quickly.

I was quite pleased when the network section of the Setup Assistant connected with zero issues. At this point I have everything left on DHCP and network is flowing with zero hiccups. I tried a few local internet radio stations as a quick test and all dandy. It is worth noting that my router is in my a/v console so I was able to make a direct ethernet connection.

Next I went through and switched among the various inputs to confirm correct input assignments as well as no HDMI handshake issues. All of my devices worked on the first go, so Mr. Wizard did fine with the setup and HDMI handshakes are firm and confident all around. Once again, not having a cable box, I wasn't expecting any handshake problems but it's always nice when things go smoothly on the first try!

Then I spent some time futzing in the menus, doing a quick manual level calibration by ear, changing front speakers to "small" from the default large, and just exploring the menus. I have to say, the new GUI is much quicker and more responsive to navigate than that on my 2310ci. I also think the layout is much more logical, although as with all things Denon it's not going to be 100% intuitive. Not everyone can be Google or Apple though in terms of user interface design tongue.gif

Finally, I was anxious to try AirPlay, one of the primary reasons I was anxious to upgrade to a newer unit. I opened up the iPhone, fired up some LCD Soundsystem, and sure enough the AirPlay icon appeared instantly:



I intentionally had the receiver playing a different network stream (internet radio) to see what would happen, and sure enough the receiver went silent for a couple of seconds, then the music was cranking and AirPlay hijack was complete. Pretty cool!!

I was happy to see that the AirPlay function not only displayed the album art on my TV screen, but also showed the song title on the front panel display of the Denon itself:






As we've noted before, the AirPlay volume is linked with receiver volume, so when you adjust the volume on the receiver you can see the volume slider on the iPhone move, and correspondingly when I adjust the iPhone volume (whether using the slider or the side volume buttons) I can see the Denon volume change. Pretty slick!

Next I did some further AirPlay testing. First, I turned the unit off, then fired up AirPlay on my iPhone and boom! the receiver auto-magically turned itself on and start pumping tunes again. This is something I was really looking forward too. I know it is plumbing the depths of laziness to not want to pick up my Harmony remote from the cradle to turn on the system to start playing music, but being able to just fire up music without having to touch anything beyond pulling the iPhone out of my pocket is just awesome.

Finally, I tested AirPlay to Zone 2 functionality. On the setup side, I did nothing but leave the receiver on the default Zone 2 amp assignment and I was pleased to find that my backyard speakers fired right up when I turned on Zone 2. AirPlay and Internet Radio played in the backyard as expected. Then, I went ahead and changed Zone 2 to my PS3 input, and confirmed that the AirPlay stream continued playing outside. I could change tracks in the backyard without re-hijacking the main zone, so AirPlay independent audio to Zone 2 works as advertised (although note that upon firing up AirPlay initially you will get a full receiver "hijack", but once the stream is active you can switch Main Zone to another input).

The one quirky thing about AirPlay to Zone 2 is that the volume linkage no longer works. Since Zone 2 has an independent volume control, changing the AirPlay volume on my iPhone does NOT affect the volume on the Zone 2 speakers. However, the volume is STILL linked to Main Zone, even though the source is now PS3. So pressing the volume buttons on the iPhone will change the volume on the Denon, even though the AirPlay is playing in Zone 2 and not Main Zone. Weird!

Bottom line though -- AirPlay was slick and easy and works as advertised. I'm a happy camper. Tomorrow I will have two goals: (1) run Audyssey and run it through some real audio material, and (2) play with the iPhone app and network control.


Back to Part 1 (Setup and Basic Use)
Link to Part 3 (AirPlay, networking and iPhone app control)
Link to Part 4 (Audyssey calibration and Sound Quality)
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Edited by batpig - 9/5/12 at 4:46pm
post #1775 of 10468
Thread Starter 
one more follow-up note.... I haven't programmed the new receiver into the Harmony One yet, but I spend some time with the old Denon AVR device seeing what commands still work on the new models. As I suspected, the new buttons (like Movie/Music surround buttons, the new Info button, etc) do NOT work on the older 2310ci.

however, several old commands still work on the new units. I was especially interested in some of the discrete and custom codes I had, and it looks like the following still work:

- Volume up/down
- Power on/off and Zone 2 on/off
- Dimmer (for front panel display dimmer control)
- Speaker A/B (although it says "Not available" since I don't have "B" speaker assigned)
- The Setup Menu button
- An old discrete I have which takes you directly into the Surround Parameter menu
- Discrete channel volume commands (Sub up/down and center channel up/down)
- Discete "Restorer" button and Audyssey commands
- Interestingly, while the new surround mode buttons do not work on the old model, the old surround mode buttons DO work on the new model. The D/ST button still toggles between Direct and Stereo, the DSP SIMU button cycles between the silly DSP modes, the Standard button toggles between all the various PLII and DTS Neo modes, the Cinema button toggles between DTS Neo and PLII Cinema modes, etc.

a few key commands which were removed from the newer remote do NOT work anymore on the new receiver:

- CH Level button
- Source Select button
- Input Mode button
post #1776 of 10468
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb View Post

Interesting: on my Android phone running the official Denon remote app, the Zones button (in the upper left of the screen) disappears after a fraction of a second, as if I'm using a single-zone receiver and that functionality isn't available (I have a 2313). I've checked, and I have the latest versions of the app and the AVR's firmware. The third party app, AVR-Remote, can detect and control Zone 2 just fine, and the Denon app could too a couple weeks ago.
Is anyone else having this issue?

Yes, i have...

Today when I switched on the android app the 'zones button' was only visible for about 0.5sec and then disappeared.
After turning the internet upside down (including this thread) I went into the web page of the receiver via my pc.
There where the three zone buttons and underneath them stood 'installer locked' eek.gif
I turned off the receiver, unplugged it for about 5 minutes.
Plug in, turn on, looked on the receiver's web page smile.gif the normal 'SET UP' text was there again instead of 'installer locked'
I checked my android phone and PRESTO the zones button is there again!

Ok, long text but English is not my native language..

Bye Jan Willem
post #1777 of 10468
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Originally Posted by tvglaser View Post

Just purchased the 2113CI; Samsung 60 in LEd with. My old receiver was a denon and loved it. I must not have the new one set up correctly. I get 5.1 sound but the front speakers seem so quiet...everything else is good. I'm trying to figure out how to increase the sound to the front 2 speakers. Page 99 of manual shows how to go to Main > Setup > Volume....I see nothing there about individual speakers. I select Surround Sound and the manual shows me Cinenma EQ, Loudness, Dynamic Comp, Low Freq, Center Image, etc. But all I see on my screen is Cinema Eq and Low Freq....do I not have something set up correctly? The panorama option looks interesting, but don't see it on my screen. Question.....how can I increase the sound of my front speakers and why don't I see all the other options on my screen?
Thanks, Tom

Speaker volume changes can be made from the Manual setup menu (p. 117 OM). As noted for the Panorama setting (p. 100 OM), this setting can only be adjusted when using the DD PLII - Music mode, so when you see a "greyed-out" or "missing" option, it means it doesn't apply to the currently selected surround mode. You can also review the diagrams on pp. 135-138 to see what settings are available for the various surround modes.
post #1778 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

All - It was finally time to update, the 2310ci is still going strong but I wanted to get a Network / Airplay enabled unit, plus jump to MultEQ XT.

Great! So now perhaps you can answer/confirm in more detail the following questions ...

1. Is the Dialogue Level setting set after running Audyssey?
2. Dialogue Level vs. Reference Level Offset (benefit of one over the other re: center channel dialog improvements)
3. Channel levels global for all surround modes?
4. AD video chip vs. pass through to TV
5. Effect of adjusting the Loudness Management setting w/DD TrueHD sources

Thanks. smile.gif
post #1779 of 10468
Thanks for the reply. It might be that my older Sony Plasma is getting in the way. It has only one HDMI input and no optical. The set was purchased way back in 05 or 06 and there where barely any HD channels available. in fact, that limitation was one of the reasons I upgraded to the new Denon that has 6 HDMI inputs. So if I take the Satellite HDMI directly to the back of the Plasma, I eliminate the Denon's ability to also hook up with my Apple TV, Xbox, etc. (because the single HDMI input on the tv is already taken by the Sat).

Might there be some way to take advantage of the secondary channel from the AVR directly to the TV audio inputs?

Stink
post #1780 of 10468
Hi

I have almost exacty the same problem:

I have a combined Blu-Ray / Hard disc recorder.

After purchasing the AVR 2113 I have to select Blu Ray on the AVR in order to program my Hard disc recorder, but okay, I can live with not hearing music while I set my HD to record.

The problem is more that I can no longer use the TV speakers when I watch a recorded show.

You suggest hooking up directly to the TV, but it is done through HDMI, and of course I could also connect them through phono cables, but how do I control when the system should use the TV speakers and when to use the hifi speakers?
post #1781 of 10468
You either mute the TV speakers or AVR speakers depending on which you don't want to use.
post #1782 of 10468
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Originally Posted by stinktoad View Post

Thanks for the reply. It might be that my older Sony Plasma is getting in the way. It has only one HDMI input and no optical. The set was purchased way back in 05 or 06 and there where barely any HD channels available. in fact, that limitation was one of the reasons I upgraded to the new Denon that has 6 HDMI inputs. So if I take the Satellite HDMI directly to the back of the Plasma, I eliminate the Denon's ability to also hook up with my Apple TV, Xbox, etc. (because the single HDMI input on the tv is already taken by the Sat).
Might there be some way to take advantage of the secondary channel from the AVR directly to the TV audio inputs?
Stink

If the Sony TV has analog inputs, another option would be to connect the Zone 2 pre-outs to the TV analog inputs, but then you would also have to connect a set of analog cables from each source you wanted to pass to Zone 2 (in addition to the HDMI cable for the main zone surround speakers).
post #1783 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If the Sony TV has analog inputs, another option would be to connect the Zone 2 pre-outs to the TV analog inputs, but then you would also have to connect a set of analog cables from each source you wanted to pass to Zone 2 (in addition to the HDMI cable for the main zone surround speakers).

All I really want to go through the tvs speakers is the satellite programming (not including movies or streaming HD stuff). So is it possible to run analog audio from zone two to the monitor and still get the picture from the HDMI on the Main zone? Can both zones run simultaneously?

Sorry for being dense, this is just non-intuitive enough to hurt my limited brain. And I recognize that most folks probably don't care about getting audio through the TV and prefer using their speakers.

Thanks again for your interest.
Stink
post #1784 of 10468
That being the case, you don't even need to use Zone 2, rather simply just connect a set of analog (red/white) cables from the sat box to the TV.
post #1785 of 10468
In searching, I've seen this question come up once before in this thread but shortly feel off the radar. The question relates to rack mounting either a 3312 or 3313. Actually, D&M 'professional' do apparently have versions of both these receivers that include a factory 4RU rack mount kit. These versions have a 'P' (assumed for 'professional') appended to the model codes (e.g., AVR3312CIP). So, does nayone know of a place for sourcing thgis 4RU kit (I would assume that the receiver versions ('P' VS ...) use the same chassis allowing a non-'P' version to also accept the kit). When I browse to the 'dealers' section on the D&M Professional website, all of them are essentially custom installers. I could go with a 4RU shelf but having the rack ears would provide a much cleaner installation. Any help would be appreciated, thanks...
post #1786 of 10468
I cannot get any sound from the TV´s speakers.

I tried connecting the phono plugs to the Hard disk audio out, and then to the TV´s component in (no luck) and then to the TV´s AV3 in (also no luck).

It´s a Sony TV btw.

Any ideas?

Another question:

When I stream music from my Ipad through Airplay it goes without a hitch, but when I stream from iTunes on the PC, in each song there are 3 - 4 very brief (but annoying) pauses. It makes no differences if iTunes is the only program running on the PC.
post #1787 of 10468
I think I tried that but will go back and do it again just to be sure. I called the local dealer who sold me the Denon and he suggested that the HDMI out from the SAT is hijacking the audio and so it's no longer available at the audio out (RCAs) from the SAT. Still, what you suggest makes the most sense and for now I'll give that a go.

Thanks!
Tim
post #1788 of 10468
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Originally Posted by DrPepper2012 View Post

I cannot get any sound from the TV´s speakers.
I tried connecting the phono plugs to the Hard disk audio out, and then to the TV´s component in (no luck) and then to the TV´s AV3 in (also no luck).
It´s a Sony TV btw.
Any ideas?

There may be a setting on the TV you must change to accept audio from the "composite" analog (red/white) inputs (ie. component input implies "video"). Also ensure you're plugging in to an "input" on the TV rather than an "output". Also check to ensure the Blu Ray player can output audio over both HDMI and analog at the same time.
post #1789 of 10468
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Originally Posted by stinktoad View Post

I think I tried that but will go back and do it again just to be sure. I called the local dealer who sold me the Denon and he suggested that the HDMI out from the SAT is hijacking the audio and so it's no longer available at the audio out (RCAs) from the SAT. Still, what you suggest makes the most sense and for now I'll give that a go.
Thanks!
Tim

Most cable/sat boxes will output audio over all outputs at the same time (HDMI, optical, analog), although you can check the sat box's manual to confirm.
post #1790 of 10468
First of all, thanks for trying to help me!

There are both composite (video) and composite (audio) so that should be fine, and I double checked to make sure I used "In" instead of "Out".

I will have to do some digging about the simultaneous output on both HDMI and analog - that might be a show stopper.
post #1791 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. Is the Dialogue Level setting set after running Audyssey?
2. Dialogue Level vs. Reference Level Offset (benefit of one over the other re: center channel dialog improvements)
3. Channel levels global for all surround modes?
1. & 2. As far as I can tell the Dialogue Level on my 2113 is the same as Center Channel Level of my 2112.
3. Yes and no, Digital, PL II and DTS share the same setting. Multi channel stereo and mono movie have their own settings.
post #1792 of 10468
How would that be any different than the center channel level on the 2113CI?
post #1793 of 10468
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

How would that be any different than the center channel level on the 2113CI?
No difference, it's just two ways to change the same setting. The 2112 also had two ways to change the center channel level, gui and remote.

One difference, you don't have to listen to the test tone!
post #1794 of 10468
Thread Starter 
The "Dialogue Level" setting IS the center channel volume setting. They are one and the same. I suspected this was the case but can now confirm it.

When you open the GUI and go to AUDIO settings, right after Surround Parameter and Tone there is both a "Dialogue Level" and a "Subwoofer Level" setting. In the Dialogue Level menu the description at the bottom says "Adjusts the center channel volume, making movie dialogue easier to hear." I confirmed by using the Center Ch Vol up/down discrete commands on my Harmony remote -- I adjusted the center ch volume directly, then opened up the GUI and checked the "Dialogue Level" setting and the number had changed to match what the center ch volume had changed to.

My suspicion is that "Dialogue Level" and "Subwoofer Level" setting were put in the AUDIO menu as an alternative now that the CH LEVEL button is gone from the remote. Since (1) the only way to adjust channel levels is by firing up the loud obnoxious test tones and (2) the only channel levels most people actually care to tweak normally are the center channel (dialogue) and subwoofer (bass level), I bet Denon just decided this was a more practical way to implement it.... give the user just enough freedom to tweak the stuff they care about (dialogue volume and sub level) without letting them screw up the global channel levels on the other channels without digging deeper.
post #1795 of 10468
Thread Starter 
in terms of channel levels, as best I can tell this is how it works (note that I haven't run Audyssey yet so I can't comment on the behavior of the "Restore" function yet vis a vis channel levels and different surround modes):

1. Going into the SPEAKERS menu, then Manual Setup > Levels is the only way to globally change all the speaker volumes (as noted above the Center Channel and Subwoofer volumes can be accessed and changed in the AUDIO menu for on-the-fly tweaks).

2. Changing the speaker volumes in the LEVELS menu will reset all the levels globally. That means if you made individual tweaks to a particular surround mode (e.g. multich stereo) they will be wiped out and reset back to the whatever you set in the LEVELS menu.

3. So essentially the LEVELS menu sets the "baseline" from which you can tweak. From there, it appears that channel level volumes are shared globally for all Dolby/DTS surround modes. However, you CAN set independent channel volumes for other types of surround modes, for example STEREO vs. MULTICH STEREO vs. any of the DSP modes (Jazz Hall, Mono Movie, Virtual, etc). EDIT - it also looks like MULTICH IN can have separate levels from the Dolby/DTS surround modes, and DIRECT modes are separate as well.

For example, I put on some music and tweaked the sub ch volume separately for MultiCH Stereo, regular Stereo, and PLII Music / DTS Neo Music. Then I fired up a Netflix stream with Dolby Digital Plus, and the sub volume was the same as I had it for PLII Music. I tweaked the sub volume for Dolby Digital Plus, and then went back to streaming music and the sub volume change carried over to the PLII and DTS Neo modes, but did not carry over for MultiCH Stereo or regular Stereo, Jazz Hall, Virtual, etc.

Since there isn't really a way to adjust anything but the center and the sub without resetting the ch volumes globally (via the LEVELS menu), it appears that in practical usage (unless you have a universal with discrete codes) the independence of channel levels for different surround modes extends only to the Dialogue Level (Center ch) and Subwoofer Level settings.

It also appears that ch levels are shared across inputs.


Quick and Dirty Summary of Ch Level behavior:

1. The LEVELS menu (Speakers > Manual Setup) will reset ch levels globally for ALL surround modes -- after you make tweaks with the test tones and hit "Enter" to finish, this establishes the new baseline for all surround mdoes

2. From that baseline, you can tweak Center Ch (Dialogue Level) and Sub Volume independently for any surround mode, using the AUDIO menu. Note the caveat that all Dolby & DTS modes share common surround levels, however the levels can be independent for any other mode (MultCH Stereo, Multi CH IN, Stereo, Direct, Virtual, etc).
Edited by batpig - 9/2/12 at 2:26pm
post #1796 of 10468
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Originally Posted by freakjim View Post

No difference, it's just two ways to change the same setting. The 2112 also had two ways to change the center channel level, gui and remote.
One difference, you don't have to listen to the test tone!

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The "Dialogue Level" setting IS the center channel volume setting. They are one and the same. I suspected this was the case but can now confirm it.

Understood. Thanks for the clarification.
post #1797 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

PLII Music + DSX will give you the most control over how strong you want the effect to be.

I don't really like the thought of using two upmix samplers from one source. Sounds like a recipe for possible audio disaster.

Maybe I would be better off getting an older 3312.
post #1798 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

All - It was finally time to update, the 2310ci is still going strong but I wanted to get a Network / Airplay enabled unit, plus jump to MultEQ XT. Plus of course it is good to have some hands-on experience with new units to help you guys troubleshoot and update my setup guide!

Do you feel there is any kind of audio improvement with music on the newer model?
post #1799 of 10468
I just got a Denon AVR-2313CI and it's pretty great.

One thing I'd like to be able to do more easily: toggle the HDMI audio output between the AVR and the TV. Sometimes you just want to watch a movie or play a game more quietly, and the TV speakers make sense. Other times you want to play things in full surround through the home theater speakers. I toggle this somewhat frequently, and would like to be able to do so more quickly and easily.

This can be toggled under the video section under setup, but it's several layers deep. Is there any way to bring a menu option like this to a higher level? Ideally, any way to bring a toggle like this all the way up to a single button on the remote?

Thanks for any advice!!
post #1800 of 10468
Wonder if any of my Canadian friends (or knowledgeable Ameri friends) can answer a question.

I picked up a 1713 at futureshop a few weeks ago for $400..

Pondering returning to pickup a refurb 2112 for from accessories4less for about the same price with shipping (to a US address that I will then pickup). I am down in the states at least 4 or 5 times over the next couple of months.

Now the question. Warranty. Anyone know if the Warranty will be honored up here in Canada? Looks like the warranty from accessories4less is a Denon Warranty and not a third party. What about non-refurbs? I know Onkyo is hardcore no warranty support for devices bought outside of Canada. Anyone know with Denon?

Thanks folks. Been stalking the tread for a bit before I pulled the trigger on Denon. Love everyones comments and help here!

Mike
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