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post #1831 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The only semi-unfortunate aspect is that you cannot initiate an AirPlay stream through the Denon app itself. You must first leave the Denon app and fire up AirPlay externally, for example through the Music app on my iPhone:

That said, once the AirPlay stream has initiated you can, from that point forward, control AirPlay completely through the Denon app. That includes activating Zone 2 for AirPlay, and then subsequently being able to switch the Main Zone source to something else if you so desire.
But in terms of controlling the AirPlay content itself, once the stream is initiated going to the "Player View" screen brings up a very recognizable iTunes music interface with album art, shuffle/repeat buttons, a track time slider and volume slider:
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This has probably already been resolved, but maybe I missed it. The Denon Remote App doesn't need you to go into your music folder and back to the remote app...it is fully controllable through the app via the "iPod Player" icon.

Once again, if this has been answered already then please forgive my tired eyes and cheers!
-MW
post #1832 of 10468
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Originally Posted by kiwi2 View Post

I agree. It is almost a dealbreaker for me. I have raised this concern with my local dealer who then suggested, like you have suggested, the Quick Selects would achieve what I need to do. He made it sound like I could configure everything the way I wanted and then save that say as my music setup. Then I could have another setup/configuration that I could select for say, watching DVD/Blu-ray movies. Will I be able to have different speaker level settings and speaker distance settings between the likes of 'Multichannel Stereo' mode and straight Blu-ray playback?

Yes - that is my current setup. 1 quick select for music where the surround speaker levels are much lower. Another quick select for movies where the surrounds are higher / normal. The issue that I'm running into now is that on some movies, the surrounds are much too loud - exceedingly noticable when they kick in, drowning out the front speakers. And on other movies, they are fine. So, I'm troubleshooting that now.

Maybe consider an XX12?
post #1833 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Now, if you have a programmable universal there ARE discrete commands for speaker volume for each channel. On my Harmony I only programmed the volume codes for center channel and subwoofer as that's all I ever needed (reinforcing the point I just made). But my gut is that channel level changes would "stick" for each surround mode provided you could find a way to access them. I do have the other codes so I can test this out, although I may not be able to get to it for a few days.

Batpig - I do have a Harmony One. Can you point me in the direction for those discrete commands (especially for the surrounds?) I tried programming the CH Level from and XX12 remote, and that did not work... Thanks in advance.
post #1834 of 10468
@batpig...

nice structured review there... smile.gif people could take a lesson from that...

about time you let some moths fly out of your wallet and upgraded... tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
post #1835 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

In this discussion regarding the gapless upgrade, it refers to the ALAC and FLAC audio codecs, while Spotify is a music streaming service.

OK, now I am really confused. It turns out that there is a Spotify gapless playback feature, as another poster pointed out (and I looked at the Spotify feature list on their site). But you are saying that a pending firmware update for Denon AVRs will provide gapless FLAC playback. I am assuming that ALAC (via Airplay) is already gapless - at least it is on my Denon DNP-720AE.

Can you point us to a link that describes the upcoming F/W update for Denon AVRs, or does this come from off-line talk with someone at Denon?

Anyway, I apologize for being a pest with this, but I really want gapless FLAC playback via DLNA - hardly anything on the market does this today - and if Denon is going to add this as a feature, I am pulling the trigger on a 2313ci.

Thanks,

Ken
post #1836 of 10468
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Originally Posted by coravs View Post

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Now, if you have a programmable universal there ARE discrete commands for speaker volume for each channel. On my Harmony I only programmed the volume codes for center channel and subwoofer as that's all I ever needed (reinforcing the point I just made). But my gut is that channel level changes would "stick" for each surround mode provided you could find a way to access them. I do have the other codes so I can test this out, although I may not be able to get to it for a few days.

Batpig - I do have a Harmony One. Can you point me in the direction for those discrete commands (especially for the surrounds?) I tried programming the CH Level from and XX12 remote, and that did not work... Thanks in advance.

Yeah, I noted in my post that the CH Level button doesn't work.

The easiest thing would be to use the ch level adjustment screen in the web browser...

Anyway, those discrete level commands are of the "special discretes" variety which aren't that easy to get loaded into your account. They no longer are supported in the Harmony database officially so you can't sneak them in by simply adding an older device to your account which has the commands. That's how I got a lot of these codes originally, by checking the command sets in older Denon AVR devices. Back in the "day" Harmony was more receptive to enthusiast users loading all kinds of custom command goodies into the device profiles, but after being bought out by Logitech they eventually standardized everything and cleaned up their database (at least for public consumption) and now only officially support the commands from the original factory remote.

So in order to get those commands you would have to either:

1. find someone who has these commands on their remote and is nice enough to bring it over and let you "teach" them to your Harmony
2. sweet talk Harmony tech support into copying the commands from my account (username "batpigworld") into your account
3. get a more richly programmable remote like a URC that can be modified with user inputted raw IR hex code, and then use that to teach your Harmony
4. take the raw IR hex code and "hack" it into your Harmony account...

a lot of the above is discussed more thoroughly at RemoteCentral.com .
post #1837 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

Can you point us to a link that describes the upcoming F/W update for Denon AVRs, or does this come from off-line talk with someone at Denon?

Both although discussed in marketing as well.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/860824-REG/Denon_AVR_2313CI_AVR_2312CI_7_2_Channel_Integrated_Network.html
post #1838 of 10468
I have Spotify up and running on my Denon 2113CI and can confirm all appears to be working well. I DO have the subscription service. All my playlists are there and they work seemlessly. The UI is crappy compared to the PC and iOS apps, but I expected they would be given that the receiver is not really a video device. It does what it needs to and works well IMO.

Pat
post #1839 of 10468
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How is the Spotify interface in the "Player View" of the denon iOS app? I find the app to be more pleasurable to use than the GUI for network audio control.
post #1840 of 10468
It looks fine. Below are some pics of what it does:

What it looks like in normal mode:



What it looks like in player mode:



I use an app called Deremote that I actually like better for pandora, etc. but they need to update it for the Spotify stuff.

Thanks,

Pat
post #1841 of 10468
One other issue is that I do not see the radio stations. No big deal for me as I think they stink compared to Pandora (ie: played Christmas songs 2 out of 5 times on a "Maroon 5" station WTF?? eek.gifmad.gif). I use Spotify for new albums and for playlists. It works great for that.

Pat
post #1842 of 10468
Ordered a 2112CI through Amazon (Actually Electronics Expo). They were out of the 2112CI and offered to ship me a 2113CI at no extra cost.
It'll be a huge upgrade over my aging Sony AVR.
post #1843 of 10468
Nice! You'll get the spotify option now and you wouldn't with the 2112. Not sure if you care about that but you'll love the unit anyway I'm sure.
Pat
post #1844 of 10468
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Originally Posted by patnshan View Post

I have Spotify up and running on my Denon 2113CI and can confirm all appears to be working well. I DO have the subscription service. All my playlists are there and they work seemlessly. The UI is crappy compared to the PC and iOS apps, but I expected they would be given that the receiver is not really a video device. It does what it needs to and works well IMO.
Pat

Pat, I have the subscription service but playlists that I have set up on my android phone do not show up when I use Spotify on the 2113. Is there something I am missing here? I am a newbie to Spotify, only subscribed when the Denon update came through.

David

Edit: Have got it now, didn't dig deep enough! Playlists made on the android DO show up on the AVR. A pity though that the settings made on the android don't carry through to the AVR (gapless etc.)
Edited by DavidBulluss - 9/5/12 at 6:07pm
post #1845 of 10468
Guys i just picked up a 1713 and had a quick question for you regarding setup. Here is my background setup
Directv and LG BD670 Blue ray hooked up through HDMI cables
Blue Ray player set to Primary pass-thru
1713
Digitial assign - all set to none
Input select - Input mode --HDMI
decode Mode - Auto

When I watch Directv i get an audio setting of PLII C. I also get all the dolby and DTS sound options if I want to change sound modes
When I switch over to Blue-Ray I get "Multi IN" and don't have any surround sound modes other then Stereo, multi chan stereo, multi chan in, mono movie, & virtual.

I have checked to see what the audio signal being sent to the receiver is and the denon says the following
Sound Mode - Multi Ch In
signal - PCM
Format - 3/4/.1
Sample rate 48kHZ

I'm not a huge audiophile but I have noticed that when i watch a blueray the sound doesn't seem to bounce around the speakers like surround sound. I for sure hear more surround sound going on during normal tv broadcasts.

Should I be setting my Blue ray to something else?
Should I assign something in my receiver?
Is Multi In what I should see?

I'm confused and would appreciate any guidance

Thanks
Adam
post #1846 of 10468
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2113ci Review / Part 4 - Audyssey calibration and Sound Quality

Part 1 - Unboxing and Hook-up
Part 2 - Setup and Basic Use
Part 3 - iPhone app, AirPlay and networking


So, on Monday I finally told the wife to take the batpiglet outside for a little while to give me some time to run Audyssey MultEQ XT on the new unit. For the most part, Audyssey calibration proceeded in the same way as with any other model I've used. I will run through the process, noting any changes below...


Running Audyssey MultEQ XT

The first screen you encounter is the Audyssey "start" screen, where you have the option to configure your Amp Assign setting as well as tell Audyssey in advance what "extra" speakers you would like to measure (Channel Select). Because I use a standard 5.1 + Zone 2 setup, with Amp Assign set to "Zone 2", there really wasn't anything to configure in Channel Select other than telling it I have a subwoofer.




The "Channel Select" screen isn't really that necessary for a standard setup like mine, since Audyssey will go ahead and detect what speakers you have connected anyway. It is most useful for people who use Surr.Back speakers (in which case this is where you tell Audyssey whether you have a 6.1 or 7.1 setup) or who are using the extra two amps to power "Front B" speakers. It is most useful with higher end models with Audyssey DSX, where there are many more options for potential speakers beyond the basic 5.1 array. Again, Audyssey will ping and detect what's there anyway, but setting this screen properly beforehand will save you some time potentially.

Next, you get a polite reminder to actually plug in the microphone smile.gif




The next screen reminds you to set your subwoofer gain knob at the 1/2 way point (aka "12 o'clock") before Audyssey. Note that this doesn't actually provide a dynamic subwoofer measurement to allow you to calibrate the volume, as you get in the 4311ci.




Of course, the "12 o'clock" position will not work for all setups.... as we discuss often, if you have a powerful subwoofer, small room, and/or a sub with a sensitive gain structure, you may need to lower the sub's gain knob well below the 1/2 way point in order to get a calibration level that isn't "maxed out" on the negative trim (-12dB). I am fortunate to not have this issue, and I generally get a sub reading between -5 and -3 depending on the calibration with the knob at 12 o'clock.

Now that the initial setup is complete, you begin Audyssey. The first measurement is at the "MLP" (main listening position) as this is the point for which the system calibrations your speaker levels and distances (delays). (Remember that the crossovers are calculated based on the combined measurements of all positions). After the first round of bleeps and boops, you get a quick report card showing you what speakers have been detected:




After the first position, you proceed on to the remaining measurements. I always recommend doing at least three, but of course the more measurements you provide the better the results as you are feeding the MultEQ algorithm more data about the spatial distribution of acoustic issues in your room. Being a good Audyssey soldier, I used all 8 positions allowed for MultEQ XT. As a reminder, you don't want to *literally* measure all the potential seats, rather you are trying to provide a sample of points around the MLP. The rules of thumb here -- don't stray too far off the center axis (staying within the axis of your front L/R mains), stay at least 12" away from potentially reflective surfaces (walls, leather seatbacks), keep the mic pointed straight up and at ear height, and definitely use a tripod or mic boom stand if possible (don't just put the mic on the couch cushion!).

I happen to have these cushy leather sofas, which fortunately allow the back cushion to flip back out of the way. This allows me to take mic positions closer to the seatback than I would otherwise, both because the cloth lining inside isn't very reflective, and the physical removal of the thick cushion means I can get closer to where my head would while still maintaining a reasonable distance from the seatback.

One piece of good news to report - thanks to newer, faster DSP chips, Audyssey MultEQ calibration is a LOT faster than it used to be!. I had already experienced this running XT32 on a 4311ci, but it is refreshing to see this in action on a mid-level model. With my 2310ci (and any pre xx11 model) there was a solid 10-second gap between speaker pings, whereas on the 2113ci the delay between speakers is only 2-3 seconds. 10 seconds doesn't sound like much, but when you are measuring 6 speakers across 8 positions, it really adds up! This advance allowed me to run XT at all 8 positions in under 20 minutes, less time than it used to take to run regular MultEQ at 6 positions. Furthermore, the "Calculation" stage at the end is considerably faster as well. The "Calculation" on my 2310ci used to take 2 minutes plus, whereas on the 2113ci it felt more like 30 seconds or so.

I will mention one other nice feature of the Denon implementation of MultEQ, which AFAIK is not the case on Onkyos. When you are doing a measurement position, hitting "Cancel" stops the current measurement and lets you start again at that same position. For example, if you are on the 4th measurement point, and right in the middle of the measurements the cat decides to jump up on the couch and start nuzzling the microphone, you can hit "Cancel", shoo the cat away, and restart the 4th measurement point. When I have run Audyssey on Onkyos, hitting "Cancel" takes you all the way back to the beginning! This can be a frustrating experience, and the Denon implementation is superior in this respect, allowing you to quickly restart at the current measurement point if some stray noise or animal happens to disrupt the measurements.

As has been the case since the xx11 models, after Calculating and Storing the Audyssey results, the receiver prompts you if you would like to use Dynamic Volume. Selecting "Yes" will turn on Dynamic Volume for all inputs at the "Medium" level (what used to be called "Evening").

The results I got in terms of speaker parameters were essentially the same as I got with the 2310ci. Distances were the same, crossovers were the same (60 HZ fronts, 80Hz center, 120Hz surrounds), and the relative levels were the same, although interestingly I got channel levels that were about 2-3dB higher across the board (subwoofer excepted). More on that below...


Sound Quality

So the part everyone really cares about.... has the sound quality improved? I will offer the typical caveat that subjective, non-blind-tested impressions of sound quality are notoriously unreliable, especially when you are relying on auditory memory and can't do a direct A/B with instantaneous switching. However, in my room, unequivocally, the answer is a resounding YES. After calibrating, my 5.1 setup has reached a new level of clarity, detail, and overall "smoothness" of the speaker integration. I assume the jump from MultEQ to MultEQ XT is a major reason for this, but I do think there have also been some subtle DSP "tweaks" that have made a difference (more on that below).

So what do I mean by improved clarity, detail and system integration? Well, the system just sounds clearer and more cohesive... details and especially dialogue are much easier to hear. I have a pretty beefy center channel (Energy RC-LCR) with deep bass response, and the position is not 100% ideal (sitting on top of my a/v console, only about 6-8" out from the back wall, although it is angled up). Previously, with the acoustics of the positioning and the heavy mid-bass, I had consistent issues with hearing dialogue at low volume levels, causing me to frequently play the volume-control yo-yo game even when using Dynamic Volume. Now, the dialogue is crystal clear, even at low volumes. I can only assume that the 8x increase in filter resolution for the speaker channels (2x for MultEQ, 16x for MultEQ XT) deserves the credit here.

Whatever "mud" I was getting with my speaker/room acoustics has been cleaned up significantly, yielding a nice step forward in dialogue clarity and overall detail. It's not only dialogue, as I can hear the difference even with 2ch music. I spent some time in STEREO mode listening to music and turning Audyssey on/off. My speakers (Energy RC-10) are very smooth and detailed but have a bit of a "thick" mid-bass that gives them a smooth, warm sound, but also can make them sound congested with complex material. When I A/B'd them with music and Audyssey XT on/off, I could hear a major improvement in the overall clarity and detail, imaging was improved and the "thickness" was mitigated considerably. The difference is significantly greater than what I heard doing the same test with my 2310ci and regular MultEQ.

In terms of cohesion/integration... listening to multich material (whether music upmixed with PLII or movie soundtracks) I feel like my speakers have improved in terms of tonal matching and the seamlessness of the "surround bubble". My surrounds are smaller speakers (Energy RC-Mini) that are a good tonal match for my front 3, but they have less bass response and suffer from non-ideal placement (about 3 ft above ear level, and about 25-30 degrees behind the MLP). Previously, it was common for me to be distracted by the surrounds when a sound from them would be too "directional"... now, I simply feel more immersed and don't really notice them. I had often considered switching to a non-monopole surround to help make them less noticeable, but I no longer think that is necessary.

Furthermore, the bass integration is smoother and more even across the listening area. Again, I credit the increased filter resolution of XT, which allowed Audyssey to bring the tonal balance of the speakers closer to the target curve and also correct problems in the bass region above the crossover.

So, basically, the whole system sounds smoother, cleaner, tighter, with a big improvement in dialogue clarity. Thumbs up to XT and the 2113ci smile.gif Is it a MASSIVE improvement, like "night and day"? No, not really -- please try and always keep in mind when reading online reviews that, when trying to verbalize subtle differences, the actual magnitude of these differences are easily exaggerated. But it DOES sound better, and the improvement in clarity and cohesion is noticeable.

Some people might want to know about the change in amp power (my 2310ci is 4lbs heavier as noted previously and spec'd for 105 W/ch instead of 95 W/ch), but I couldn't hear a lick of difference in how hard I could "push" the system. This reinforces what we often say in these threads -- don't worry about the amp power with "typical" setups! The difference of 10 watts/channel is essentially negligible, and in a standard setup like mine -- my speakers are 8-ohm and pretty sensitive, my room is medium sized, and I am not cranking it to reference level -- you barely use any power at all.


So about those "DSP tweaks"...

So what the heck am I talking about when I mention "DSP tweaks"? Well, SOMETHING has changed about the overall system volume, especially with the Dynamic Volume processing.

First, overall volume -- I believe there has been some global tweak to the gain structure / volume control. I'm not sure when this occurred, as I haven't tried all the intermediate models between the xx10 and xx13, but the overall system volume is louder. I mentioned above that my speaker levels were all 2-3dB higher across the board than with the 2310ci, so my first that was simply that the old receiver was setting speaker volume too low and the new unit was more accurate. However, when I pulled out the SPL meter I was surprised to find that all speakers measured the same 72-73dB that I would measure with the 2310ci. So, for example, whereas before my center channel was set to -5.5dB, now it's set to -3dB, but the actual output with the test tones is still the same 72-73dB. Hmmm.

So the system just sounds "louder" overall. It's not that much without Dynamic Volume engaged (maybe a few dB), but even then I am listening at a lower volume level than before... although the increase in clarity may be facilitating this as well. SOMETHING just sounds a bit different, so my assumption is that Denon has made some behind-the-scenes tweaks in the sound processing and Audyssey implementation. And before anyone asks, yes, I did make sure that settings like Reference Level Offset were the same as I had before (you think batpig would neglect that variable? tongue.gif)

Now, on to Dynamic Volume... the change here is even more dramatic. We often get questions here about things sounding "louder" when Dynamic Volume is turned on, and I experienced this to some degree with the 2310ci. However, now it is MUCH more dramatic. For example, if I am listening to a movie at -40dB with Dynamic Volume off, when I turn Dynamic Volume on the volume jumps so significantly that I have to turn it down to -50 or even -55 dB to get the same overall levels. Furthermore, it feels like there have been some other behind-the-scenes tweaks in the Dynamic Volume processing algorithm as the late-night dialogue clarity is significantly improved compared to the 2310ci. I mentioned above still having to do the volume control yo-yo late at night with Dyn Vol engaged, but this is dramatically reduced on the 2113ci. I also feel like they have improved the algorithm so there is less "pumping" of the levels, allowing the richness of the overall soundtrack dynamics to be preserved even at lower levels. I find as a related effect that late night music listening with Dyn Vol engaged is much more pleasant, as there is a greater preservation of clarity and dynamics, making it sound less "mushy" than with the 2310ci.

I am really curious if someone else who upgraded from an earlier Dyn Vol equipped unit (xx09 through xx11 or so) to an xx13 model has noticed this change as well.


Other minor notes and conclusions....

A special aside for Harmony remote users.... I discussed some of this before but I have found that most of my sound mode and Audyssey discretes still work on the xx13 model. I have "Day/Evening/Midnight" discretes programmed for Dyn Vol, and these still work for "Light/Medium/Heavy" on the new model. I also have a "Dyn EQ/Vol" button which cycles between the various states, and this still works as well. For those of you who bemoan the loss of the dedicated Audyssey buttons on the factory remote, requiring you to dive in to the GUI menus to make tweaks, I highly recommend adding an xx11 model (e.g. 2311ci) to your Harmony profile and using that as a source for Audyssey control buttons.

I haven't yet had a chance to crank the system full bore (oh that wife and baby!) but I will report back when I have the opportunity. I also haven't done any video processing tests, but I don't really use that feature in receivers anyway.

So any criticisms? A few....

- The GUI, while faster to operate and more logically laid out, could be a little slicker and have better graphics (take a cue from Apple UI designers Denon!)
- It also would be nice if you could "wrap" in the menus, e.g. when at the top of the list pressing "up" will wrap you down to the bottom. Why did they get rid of this basic feature of menu navigation? It makes it especially annoying when going into the Audio menu to tweak Audyssey settings, as the Audyssey menu is at the bottom of the list!
- The new front panel display, while definitely easier to read from afar, has been TOO stripped down. I don't want to read some abbreviation of the surround mode with a truncated input name, and I *really* miss the channel input/output icons! It makes it much quicker to troubleshoot and observe input and output processing.
- That said, they could have replaced some of this functionality via on-screen content accessed by the [INFO] button. However, the info you get is basically just input source, surround mode, and volume. Why not allow some richer information, maybe toggle to the more info-laden screen on the second button press?
- They have stripped away some cool options in the process of simplifying the menus, for example the dedicated 2CH DIRECT/STEREO menu (which allows custom settings for 2ch listening) has disappeared on all but the 3313ci model.
- While the remote is much nicer than the two-sided monstrosity that came with my 2310ci, I still think it was a mistake to get rid of Audyssey control buttons.
- And some will definitely be disappointed by the loss of so many legacy inputs on the back panel, although this doesn't affect my setup at all.

However, given the overall package -- the improvements in sound quality, the availability of MultEQ XT at a lower price point, the addition of networking with the awesome iPhone app control, web browser control, and AirPlay / Pandora -- I am very happy with the upgrade and think Denon has really hit a sweet spot with their mid-tier models. I feel even better about recommending the 21xx model as the "best buy" in the current lineup, as it's a lot of receiver for the money, especially given the street price at retailers like Electronics Expo.

Next I'm going to try my hand at a video review, as I've decided that's a good way to enrich the content at my website. Hopefully if I have time I will add some video tutorials to supplement the guide and FAQ. Hope you enjoyed the review!


Part 1 - Unboxing and Hook-up
Part 2 - Setup and Basic Use
Part 3 - iPhone app, AirPlay and networking

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Edited by batpig - 9/11/12 at 10:13pm
post #1847 of 10468
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Originally Posted by juicegoose View Post

When I switch over to Blue-Ray I get "Multi IN" and don't have any surround sound modes other then Stereo, multi chan stereo, multi chan in, mono movie, & virtual.

I have checked to see what the audio signal being sent to the receiver is and the denon says the following
Sound Mode - Multi Ch In
signal - PCM
Format - 3/4/.1

see here: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audio

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When I watch Directv i get an audio setting of PLII C. I also get all the dolby and DTS sound options if I want to change sound modes

this means the DirecTV box is outputting stereo audio. Check the settings and make sure Dolby Digital is engaged and you should get 5.1 on HD channels.

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I'm not a huge audiophile but I have noticed that when i watch a blueray the sound doesn't seem to bounce around the speakers like surround sound. I for sure hear more surround sound going on during normal tv broadcasts.

This is because of Dynamic EQ and how it boosts the surround levels. It is designed to work properly with film but can be TOO aggressive with non-reference material like cable TV broadcasts. Try going to the Audio menu, Audyssey settings, and changing the Reference Level Offset to 10 or 15 for your DirecTV source.
post #1848 of 10468
Thanks for the great tips I was all backwards!!
post #1849 of 10468
Using an AVR 1613 and iPod through front USB, when selecting iPod on the (Android/Denon) remote app the menu briefly shows a "normal" iPod menu with artists, playlists, songs etc. and then reverts to remote iPod and the device must be controlled at the iPod for content and playlists.

Similarly when using Airplay from iTunes on a Macbook Pro, no control over content from the (Android) remote. Still waiting for more USB cables so monitor not set up permanently yet but I think it is displaying the same reduced option controls for iPod and Airplay.

Suggestions?

Thanks for the help.
post #1850 of 10468
Finished the firmware update for a US based unit, and no gaps in playback of FLAC via DLNA.
Off to delete my single-file FLAC of Dark Side of the Moon.

FWIW, my FLAC playback experiences
  • Onkyo TX-NR807 - About 3 seconds between songs
  • WDTV Live - About 3 seconds between songs
  • AVR-3313 before update - About 1/2 second between songs
  • AVR-3313 after update - No gap

For the most part, the gap is not a big deal, but for certain albums recorded not to have gaps, it can be really irritating.
post #1851 of 10468
Batpig question?

I also own the 2113. Have you been able to get pandora to stream on the main zone and then get airplay to play outside on zone 2? I cant seem to get 2 networked sources to play on each zone. Also for you to get to pandora from your phone was yours in the network section?

Thanks so much!
post #1852 of 10468
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Originally Posted by BBrix View Post

Finished the firmware update for a US based unit, and no gaps in playback of FLAC via DLNA.
Off to delete my single-file FLAC of Dark Side of the Moon.
FWIW, my FLAC playback experiences
  • Onkyo TX-NR807 - About 3 seconds between songs
  • WDTV Live - About 3 seconds between songs
  • AVR-3313 before update - About 1/2 second between songs
  • AVR-3313 after update - No gap
For the most part, the gap is not a big deal, but for certain albums recorded not to have gaps, it can be really irritating.

That is very cool news! Actually, gapless playback is a big deal if you listen to a lot of classical music - and, as you mention, Dark Side of Moon needs it, as well smile.gif
post #1853 of 10468
I, too, just updated the firmware for my US 3313. Rookie question:

Can I load my old config.dat file (from the old firmware), or do I have to start a new setup from scratch? Thanks in advance.
post #1854 of 10468
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Originally Posted by estcstm3 View Post

Batpig question?

I also own the 2113. Have you been able to get pandora to stream on the main zone and then get airplay to play outside on zone 2? I cant seem to get 2 networked sources to play on each zone. Also for you to get to pandora from your phone was yours in the network section?

Thanks so much!

It's not possible to sustain two independent network streams. The receiver can only handle one at a time.

There are a few options to get to Pandora on the iPhone app:

Option 1 - Select "Network" as the source and then select Pandora from the list of Network services
Option 2 - You can get there even more directly by scrolling all the way to bottom of the source list, Pandora has a direct link
Option 3 - You can do what I described in my discussion of the app and change one of the 8 "hot buttons" to be a direct Pandora link
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I, too, just updated the firmware for my US 3313. Rookie question:

Can I load my old config.dat file (from the old firmware), or do I have to start a new setup from scratch? Thanks in advance.

the firmware update shouldn't have changed your settings, so no need to reload a saved config. Regardless, the config file is (should be) independent of the firmware, it just records all of your settings, input assignments, etc. Doesn't really have much to do with the firmware.
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Batpig question?
I also own the 2113. Have you been able to get pandora to stream on the main zone and then get airplay to play outside on zone 2? I cant seem to get 2 networked sources to play on each zone. Also for you to get to pandora from your phone was yours in the network section?
Thanks so much!

There's only one network processor in the unit, and it is only setup to deal with a single stream at a time. What you're seeing is expected behaviour. The only way you will achieve what you're trying to do is to employ an outboard AirPlay sink, such as an AppleTV or an airport express.
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I apologize if there's another thread about this topic, but I need some assistance with audio drop outs on my Uverse box. I saw in the thread about this being a handshake issue and to resolve it, to connect an HDMI cable to the TV and then go optical cable for audio into the 2113. The problem with doing this is that you lose the on-screen capability of the receiver. I decided to connect the Uverse box back into the 2113 via HDMI and also left the optical connection. I went into the 2113 settings and set the audio for HDMI 2 to use the TV Audio selection and it's working for the most part. I now have all on-screen menus and the audio is going thru optical. Before I would get a lot of audio drop outs while watching anything on Uverse. Now I rarely get drop outs, but tonight while watching the Giants/Cowboys game I've had about 5 audio drops (maybe it's just been their feed??).

Why is the Denon so sensitive to handshake issues with the Uverse box? I'm coming from a Sony STR-D720 which never once had an audio drop out while watching TV. It would be nice to not have to have an optical cable connected, but if that's the only fix...it will have to do. Is this something a Firmware update could fix or would Denon say it's an issue with the Uverse box?
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Originally Posted by estcstm3 View Post

Batpig question?
I also own the 2113. Have you been able to get pandora to stream on the main zone and then get airplay to play outside on zone 2? I cant seem to get 2 networked sources to play on each zone. Also for you to get to pandora from your phone was yours in the network section?
Thanks so much!

There's only one network processor in the unit, and it is only setup to deal with a single stream at a time. What you're seeing is expected behaviour. The only way you will achieve what you're trying to do is to employ an outboard AirPlay sink, such as an AppleTV or an airport express.

Or an outboard Pandora stream wink.gif
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I have the AVR-2113 and am also having HDMI handshake issues with my Uverse box. When the receiver is On it passes through fine, but when the receiver is off and I am just wanting to pass the video/audio through the receiver in standby mode it will initially come on and then after a few seconds shut off the signal and give me an error message saying to check your cables. My video display is a Samsung UNES7100. Thanks for any help.
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^^
If you have Anynet+ enabled on the TV, set it to OFF.
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