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post #1981 of 7882
9/10/12 at 2:19pm
^^^

nope, not a "bad thing"... smile.gif speaker efficiency (or ineffiency) isn't inherently "good" or "bad"... they each have their positives and negatives, but if the xover designer did his/her job right, the end result "hides" them...

with speakers, the only thing that matters* is that "you" like the way they sound... if you are happy, nothing else really matters...

*exception: as long as you aren't using the wrong tool for the job... i love my speakers, but i would not attempt to fill a big room to reference level with them... they simply wouldn't do it...
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post #1982 of 7882
9/10/12 at 2:30pm
5.1 does come up on the menu but i hae th desable zone 1 for 2 to get thisie i dont have the capacity nor speakers to run 2 zones.so im not sure
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post #1983 of 7882
9/10/12 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
nope, not a "bad thing"... smile.gif speaker efficiency (or ineffiency) isn't inherently "good" or "bad"... they each have their positives and negatives, but if the xover designer did his/her job right, the end result "hides" them...
with speakers, the only thing that matters* is that "you" like the way they sound... if you are happy, nothing else really matters...
*exception: as long as you aren't using the wrong tool for the job... i love my speakers, but i would not attempt to fill a big room to reference level with them... they simply wouldn't do it...

I would be more the happy to prove you wrong.richmond virginia
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post #1984 of 7882
9/10/12 at 2:59pm
I just hooked up my new Denon 2113 and I have a couple of questions.

I have a 7.1 speaker configuration; however, when playing movies it is only showing 3.2/1. Is this because the sound track is only DD/DTS 5.1?

Am I suppose to see MultiEQ XT displayed somewhere?

Can I change the db of the center speaker and the subwoofer. I believe my subwoofer settings were -12db after running audyssey and I thought I read that was not good. If not, how do I adjust it.

Thanks!
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post #1985 of 7882
9/10/12 at 3:01pm
^^^

well, since it's unlikely i'll be hauling my speakers down to virginia anytime soon, you'll have to wait a long time to prove me wrong...

but i don't need further "proof", as the math is rather simple to do...

if i WAS attempting to fill a big room to reference, i wouldn't have even considered my current speakers, as they would be the wrong tool for the job... they'd never be able to do it... i would have looked into high efficiency designs at that point...

otoh, the speakers you have would be a good tool to fill a large room with... they aren't my particular cup of tea, but they certainly will get very loud...
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post #1986 of 7882
9/10/12 at 3:38pm
it should be showing dts
are all speakers sounding?
goto setup on the remote
you can change all bd lvls for all speakers there
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post #1987 of 7882
9/10/12 at 3:39pm
endgame
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post #1988 of 7882
9/10/12 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by elove View Post

I just hooked up my new Denon 2113 and I have a couple of questions.
I have a 7.1 speaker configuration; however, when playing movies it is only showing 3.2/1. Is this because the sound track is only DD/DTS 5.1?
Am I suppose to see MultiEQ XT displayed somewhere?
Can I change the db of the center speaker and the subwoofer. I believe my subwoofer settings were -12db after running audyssey and I thought I read that was not good. If not, how do I adjust it.
Thanks!

1. Correct. the 3/2/.1 is the "input" signal being received.
2. Not on the XX13 series, no, rather only the word "Audyssey" is displayed when enabled.
3. Yes. Change the center speaker via the "Dialogue Level" setting (p. 102 OM); however, as the sub is maxed out, lower it on the sub itself from 12 o'clock to 10 o'clock (ie. just back it off a few clicks) and rerun Audyssey again until the final value is between +/-3db. Once it's within that range you can then further adjust the sub using the Subwoofer Level setting (p. 102 OM).
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post #1989 of 7882
9/10/12 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. Correct. the 3/2/.1 is the "input" signal being received.
2. Not on the XX13 series, no, rather only the word "Audyssey" is displayed when enabled.
3. Yes. Change the center speaker via the "Dialogue Level" setting (p. 102 OM); however, as the sub is maxed out, lower it on the sub itself from 12 o'clock to 10 o'clock (ie. just back it off a few clicks) and rerun Audyssey again until the final value is between +/-3db. Once it's within that range you can then further adjust the sub using the Subwoofer Level setting (p. 102 OM).


the Audyssey setup for the denon is not that good IMOI.you can adjust every speakers within the manual setup...do it!!!enjoy it!!!!
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post #1990 of 7882
9/10/12 at 3:52pm
The speaker levels are set based on how the mixer intended them to be set. There's nothing wrong if you "prefer" otherwise, although as is often recommended .... before making speaker/sub adjustments (if new to Audyssey), give it a couple of weeks to adjust to this new setup. If you still prefer to raise sub/speaker levels at that point, go for it.
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post #1991 of 7882
9/10/12 at 3:56pm
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1. Correct. the 3/2/.1 is the "input" signal being received.
2. Not on the XX13 series, no, rather only the word "Audyssey" is displayed when enabled.
3. Yes. Change the center speaker via the "Dialogue Level" setting (p. 102 OM); however, as the sub is maxed out, lower it on the sub itself from 12 o'clock to 10 o'clock (ie. just back it off a few clicks) and rerun Audyssey again until the final value is between +/-3db. Once it's within that range you can then further adjust the sub using the Subwoofer Level setting (p. 102 OM).


the Audyssey setup for the denon is not that good IMOI.you can adjust every speakers within the manual setup...do it!!!enjoy it!!!!

your "opinion" is ill-informed...
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post #1992 of 7882
9/10/12 at 4:06pm
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your "opinion" is ill-informed...

i like how you back that up.....THANKS!
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post #1993 of 7882
9/10/12 at 4:19pm
Still trying to resolve my problem on the 1713 with no dialogue/speech with Blu-rays/DVDs.

I asked:
I have an AVR-1713. When I play Blu-rays and DVDs, I cannot get hear speech. I hear music (including singing), sound effects, etc., just not speech/dialogue. When trailers are playing, occassionally the display (on the unti) will change from "MULTI IN" to "STEREO" and I can hear dialogue. With my set-up, I only have 2 front speakers (which is how I configured the unit settings).
I have tried both a soft reset and a microprocessor reset. I have also checked all the connections.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.

First reply:

I ran Audyssey and nothing changed. I still do not hear voice/dialogue from a Blu-ray disc when the display shows MULTI IN. I wonder if I have a defective unit?
- I did this. The speakers sounded better but no change with dialogue.

Second reply:

go into the manual setup and look for the two speaker config..i saw it a few days ago,while trying to setup my 3313
- I went through the manual and could not find anything helpful. I had initially setup with Manual and made sure the speakers settings were only set to 2 Large (L/R)

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Either reset the Blu Ray player to only pass PCM 2.0 audio or when the front panel display reads "MULT CH IN", press the MOVIE button and select the STEREO mode.
- When I select Movie Mode, there is no additional option that I can find to set it to STEREO. I also checked my Samsung Blu-ray player and it is set to PCM and also set to only 2 speakers. I can't find any other settings in the Blu-ray player that seem to make a difference.

I also tried switching out the HDMI cables, just in case one had gone bad, but that also made no difference. The funny thing is that occassionally I do get dialogue when the display shows MULTI IN, but very rarely.

For now, I gave up and just ran the Blu-ray directly to my TV (HDMI) and used the RCA/composite audio outs from the Blu-ray player to the DVD composite inputs on the AVR, which works (and probably is OK for now since I only have two speakers anyway), but this solution is less than ideal and seems like it should not be necessary.

Any other thoughts/advice?

Thanks.
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post #1994 of 7882
9/10/12 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by Chasim View Post

Still trying to resolve my problem on the 1713 with no dialogue/speech with Blu-rays/DVDs.
I asked:
I have an AVR-1713. When I play Blu-rays and DVDs, I cannot get hear speech. I hear music (including singing), sound effects, etc., just not speech/dialogue. When trailers are playing, occassionally the display (on the unti) will change from "MULTI IN" to "STEREO" and I can hear dialogue. With my set-up, I only have 2 front speakers (which is how I configured the unit settings).
I have tried both a soft reset and a microprocessor reset. I have also checked all the connections.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.
First reply:
I ran Audyssey and nothing changed. I still do not hear voice/dialogue from a Blu-ray disc when the display shows MULTI IN. I wonder if I have a defective unit?
- I did this. The speakers sounded better but no change with dialogue.
Second reply:
go into the manual setup and look for the two speaker config..i saw it a few days ago,while trying to setup my 3313
- I went through the manual and could not find anything helpful. I had initially setup with Manual and made sure the speakers settings were only set to 2 Large (L/R)
Third reply:
Either reset the Blu Ray player to only pass PCM 2.0 audio or when the front panel display reads "MULT CH IN", press the MOVIE button and select the STEREO mode.
- When I select Movie Mode, there is no additional option that I can find to set it to STEREO. I also checked my Samsung Blu-ray player and it is set to PCM and also set to only 2 speakers. I can't find any other settings in the Blu-ray player that seem to make a difference.
I also tried switching out the HDMI cables, just in case one had gone bad, but that also made no difference. The funny thing is that occassionally I do get dialogue when the display shows MULTI IN, but very rarely.
For now, I gave up and just ran the Blu-ray directly to my TV (HDMI) and used the RCA/composite audio outs from the Blu-ray player to the DVD composite inputs on the AVR, which works (and probably is OK for now since I only have two speakers anyway), but this solution is less than ideal and seems like it should not be necessary.
Any other thoughts/advice?
Thanks.

look at the zone...your in the wrong zone
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post #1995 of 7882
9/10/12 at 4:44pm
@Chasim -

If your BDP is set to only pass PCM 2.0 stereo audio then the AVR would not be showing "MULT CH IN." See below as to what you should see after pressing the MOVIE button when a PCM 2.0 signal is being received. However, even with a multi channel PCM signal being received, you should still be able to select the STEREO surround mode. So it would seem there are issues from both devices. In the meantime, if the BDP has a coax digital output (orange) output, you can connect the "yellow" composite video cable from that output to the coax digital input on the 1713.


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post #1996 of 7882
9/10/12 at 7:24pm
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endgame

For you, yes.

Between this and your interesting opinion of Audyssey...
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post #1997 of 7882
9/10/12 at 8:10pm
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For you, yes.
Between this and your interesting opinion of Audyssey...

well after setting up Audssey 25+ times and still it rates my main speaker at a+2db right left -7db on average ,id say its broke.Look,im not knocking this receiver(hell i love it),but the fact remains,this is not like a AMC receivers mic and setup PERIOD.It does not work.therefor you should use your own listening powers to set these lvls, as you grow accustom to listening to you new 3313.
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post #1998 of 7882
9/10/12 at 8:19pm
oww try these two setting and see how great some music sounds
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post #1999 of 7882
9/10/12 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by Roppee View Post

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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

For you, yes.
Between this and your interesting opinion of Audyssey...

well after setting up Audssey 25+ times and still it rates my main speaker at a+2db right left -7db on average ,id say its broke.Look,im not knocking this receiver(hell i love it),but the fact remains,this is not like a AMC receivers mic and setup PERIOD.It does not work.therefor you should use your own listening powers to set these lvls, as you grow accustom to listening to you new 3313.

Sounds like a case of user error. It works well for the vast majority of users, so Audyssey is definitively not broken. There is a very good setup guide in the Audyssey thread - are you following the process?

Your concept of manual setup using your ears as a measuring device and obtaining any kind of decent results isn't viable. Nor can it address elements Audyssey does within time domain.

I suspect if you actually measured your manually obtained results, you would be in for a very large and unpleasant surprise.
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post #2000 of 7882
9/10/12 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Sounds like a case of user error. It works well for the vast majority of users, so Audyssey is definitively not broken. There is a very good setup guide in the Audyssey thread - are you following the process?
Your concept of manual setup using your ears as a measuring device and obtaining any kind of decent results isn't viable. Nor can it address elements Audyssey does within time domain.
I suspect if you actually measured your manually obtained results, you would be in for a very large and unpleasant surprise.
unpleasant surprise.

your saying the device i use to send signals to my brain for earring arent viable,thats hilarious!
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post #2001 of 7882
9/10/12 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Sounds like a case of user error. It works well for the vast majority of users, so Audyssey is definitively not broken. There is a very good setup guide in the Audyssey thread - are you following the process?
Your concept of manual setup using your ears as a measuring device and obtaining any kind of decent results isn't viable. Nor can it address elements Audyssey does within time domain.
I suspect if you actually measured your manually obtained results, you would be in for a very large and unpleasant surprise.
unpleasant surprise.

your saying the device i use to send signals to my brain for earring arent viable,thats hilarious!

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying and its what anyone with even basic knowledge of audio science would tell you as well.

Spend some quality time on AVS reading and learning because your "beliefs" on how to realize the best audio from your system are fundamentally incorrect.
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post #2002 of 7882
9/10/12 at 8:56pm
The human brain is the most complex thing in existence (so far). It can make 100 trillion calculations per second.
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post #2003 of 7882
9/10/12 at 9:01pm
sounds like there's something not viable between the signals and your brain... and earrings shouldn't matter anyway... eek.gif
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post #2004 of 7882
9/10/12 at 9:05pm
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sounds like there's something not viable between the signals and your brain... and earrings shouldn't matter anyway... eek.gif

hahah the jewelry quote.!nice!no no i dont have holes in me but my hair is grey and 3 feet long.
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post #2005 of 7882
9/10/12 at 9:12pm
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The human brain is the most complex thing in existence (so far). It can make 100 trillion calculations per second.

Do you use your brain or a scale to accurately weigh something?
Do you use your brain or a tape/ruler/laser to accurately measure something?
Do you use your brain or a speedometer to see he fast you are traveling?

See where this is heading?

For all of the wonderful things our brain can do, accurately setting up an audio system isn't on the that list.

Your posts clearly indicate you don't know what you don't know. As I suggested in the last post, your audio experience would benefit from spending significant time reading this site and unlearning what you believe you "know" about audio reproduction.
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post #2006 of 7882
9/10/12 at 9:12pm
smile.gif
it's all good... this hobby is supposed to be fun, right?
All I'm saying, is that you've been given very good advice so far, from people much more knowledgable and experienced than me, and just maybe you as well, but you seem to be discounting it prematurely... they're trying to help.
There is a huge knowledge base here, but you have to be receptive... we never learn until we're pushed outside the boundaries of that with which we are comfortable.
Joseph
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post #2007 of 7882
9/10/12 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying and its what anyone with even basic knowledge of audio science would tell you as well.
Spend some quality time on AVS reading and learning because your "beliefs" on how to realize the best audio from your system are fundamentally incorrect.

NO your a leading me into YOUR belief
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post #2008 of 7882
9/10/12 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying and its what anyone with even basic knowledge of audio science would tell you as well.
Spend some quality time on AVS reading and learning because your "beliefs" on how to realize the best audio from your system are fundamentally incorrect.

NO your a leading me into YOUR belief

They aren't my beliefs I'm describing, it's long validated audio science.

I'm trying to be polite here, but bluntly, you are wrong. Have to love it when a newb shows up and "schools" AVS. Good luck.
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post #2009 of 7882
9/10/12 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Do you use your brain or a scale to accurately weigh something?
Do you use your brain or a tape/ruler/laser to accurately measure something?
Do you use your brain or a speedometer to see he fast you are traveling?
See where this is heading?
For all of the wonderful things our brain can do, accurately setting up an audio system isn't on the that list.
Your posts clearly indicate you don't know what you don't know. As I suggested in the last post, your audio experience would benefit from spending significant time reading this site and unlearning what you believe you "know" about audio reproduction.

all off the above..maybe U should try it somtime
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post #2010 of 7882
9/10/12 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by wlhungdude View Post

smile.gif
it's all good... this hobby is supposed to be fun, right?
All I'm saying, is that you've been given very good advice so far, from people much more knowledgable and experienced than me, and just maybe you as well, but you seem to be discounting it prematurely... they're trying to help.
There is a huge knowledge base here, but you have to be receptive... we never learn until we're pushed outside the boundaries of that with which we are comfortable.
Joseph

your right
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