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Originally Posted by patnshan View Post

Added features is another reason for updates and older units lose support quicker.
I agree with all of your other points but that one addition:)
Pat

Other than new features added shortly after release (eg. Airplay, Spotify, gapless audio), there have been no additional features added on models going back 4 years.
post #2402 of 10467
Thank you - I can't wait to get started on it tonight. I will let you know how it goes and poss post some pictures of my (cinema room).

Ed Harris
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I feel like this is a really dumb question, but I downloaded the manual, looked through the FAQ, searched through this thread (I admit I didn't actually read all 81 pages) and I don't know if I'm searching using the wrong terms, or what...

Can someone tell me how many *logical* inputs the 2313 has? And in general how to figure this out for Denon receivers? What I mean is, there are 6 HDMI inputs, and then there are analog inputs for several of them (CD, DVD, etc.). IIRC, it's possible to, for example, simultaneously use the "DVD" HDMI input and the "DVD" analog audio input, assigning them to separate "logical" selectable inputs for different sources. But I'm pretty sure you can't do this with all of them simultaneously, right?

Specifically with the 2313, I'm trying to figure out if it would be possible to use five HDMI inputs as well as two 2-channel analog audio inputs (hopefully without using any of the inputs on the front). But again, I'd like to understand how this works in general, so as I look at other models, I can understand what's possible.

Thanks.
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If you look at p. 115 in the OM, under the topic of HDMI, you'll note there are 8 unique source names that the 6 HDMI inputs can be "assigned" to, noting that "TV Audio" cannot be used when HDMI Control is set to ON. Also note there are 5 analog audio inputs which cannot be assigned, rather the name on the input is the source name that must be used. Of those 5 inputs, only 1 is unique (CD) as the other 4 duplicate the names used by the HDMI inputs. So then there are a maximum 9 (8+1) unique source names that can be used and therefore yes, you could have 5 unique HDMI source names and 2 unique analog audio input source names; however, you can also double up on source names if even more input sources are required (eg. 2 sources connected to each of DVD(HDMI) and DVD(Component/analog) with the HDMI source taking priority if ON.
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I have a 2313ci and have a question related to composite video and input stacking/naming. We have a Wii that only has composite video. We may get an Xbox and/or Wii U in the near future. I have read Batpig's faq on input stacking and would like to do this (if one of the newer systems can do component) for the game systems. The common inputs (HDMI, component, and composite) would be either CBL/SAT or DVD.

So, let's say I use DVD and put the Wii on the DVD composite inputs. Is there then a way (through assigning inputs/names, etc) so that when I push the GAME button on the remote it selects the DVD input? Or is it that you can simply rename the DVD input to GAME on the TV, but that doesn't effect the behavior of the remote and I still have to push DVD on the remote to then get the game?

Thanks,
-Tom
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When I read the problems the xx13 has with the Ethernet port, I regret ever getting the avr-1713. I chose this receiver for the airplay functionality (amongst other tings), but Ive never seen a more ****** working network adapter in any piece of equipment Ive ever owned.

It is now stuck on "update retry" and wont connect to my network whatever I do. Resetting with power cord out for 10 minutes and resetting the micro processor does nothing, still no connection. And his happens the first day I got it. The adapter seemed faulty and stopped working without no apparent reason from the get-go, so that you cant update this firmware via USB is just plain silly.

Pushing out faulty firmware/hardware pisses me off after numerous hours spent trying to solve this, but now I'm forced to take it back to the dealership and let them flash it or whatever they have to do.
Edited by olaconnie - 10/9/12 at 12:18pm
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Not sure what the "problems with the ethernet port" are that you describe, however, some routers do have problems connecting with the AVR. Try changing out the router.
post #2408 of 10467
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Originally Posted by tome View Post

I have a 2313ci and have a question related to composite video and input stacking/naming. We have a Wii that only has composite video. We may get an Xbox and/or Wii U in the near future. I have read Batpig's faq on input stacking and would like to do this (if one of the newer systems can do component) for the game systems. The common inputs (HDMI, component, and composite) would be either CBL/SAT or DVD.
So, let's say I use DVD and put the Wii on the DVD composite inputs. Is there then a way (through assigning inputs/names, etc) so that when I push the GAME button on the remote it selects the DVD input? Or is it that you can simply rename the DVD input to GAME on the TV, but that doesn't effect the behavior of the remote and I still have to push DVD on the remote to then get the game?
Thanks,
-Tom

The highlighted is correct.
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No analog or component conversion to Zone2 HDMI?

I just want to verify what I think I now understand, and what I think is implied by the information on pages 6,7, & 166 in the 3313CI owners manual, namely:

You cannot watch composite or component inputs on the Zone2 HDMI output.

Thus, in a mixed input setup (where not all sources are HDMI), you cannot watch everything in Zone 2 (or Zone 3) via HDMI. Instead, you must distribute each type of source (composite, component, and HDMI) separately which pretty much defeats the purpose of having a high-end receiver that, for the main monitor, DOES provide these conversions.

So my question is this: Is this true?

Also, just as an FYI, I purchased this HDMI to composite converter:

Sanoxy HDMI to Composite/S-Video Converter 3RCA CRT TV CVBS

I connected it to the Zone2 output of the 3313CI. When I switched to my Uverse Cisco ISB 7500 HDMI input, the video was fine, although squished to 4:3, but I got nothing but static for the audio. I then switched to the Xbox HDMI input, and got another good picture (although also squished into 4:3 space) and did get audio. However, after I tried to watch Netflix, I got a protected content error from either the Xbox or Denon, and that was the end of that fun. This is the same converter also sold by Monoprice. Thus, I don't think I can recommend this converter (because of the audio static, not because of the CP problem which is beyond its control), although the reviews on Amazon and Monoprice are generally positive.

So, my conclusion is that the external zone function is great if all your inputs are HDMI, but that otherwise it is not a complete solution. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am.
post #2410 of 10467
The Zone 2(HDMI) is nothing more than an HDMI switch for the HDMI 1-6 inputs only.
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Regarding the zone 2 video on the 3313...

What I've done is re-use my old AVR-888 to handle the zone 2 functions. HDMI devices get fed on to the 888 via the zone 2 HDMI connector, and the component devices via reconfiguring the component output of the 3313 to be zone 2. The only trick I've had to pull is getting a monoprice optical splitter so that the audio from the DVD player goes to both receivers simultaneously. Alas, the 3313 doesn't have an optical output, else I wouldn't have to have that either.

The nice thing about using the 888 is that it can be set to Remote ID 2, and with a bit of Harmony hacking, I can now control both receivers independently from a single remote control. smile.gif
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JD - I am curretly working on setting up my avr 3313. I have been running an avr 889 since 2009.Can you tell me if there is a blue light on the 3313 like there is on the 889? The display on the 3313 does show blue ray dolby true HD, but no blue light. So how do I get that lovely blue HD audio light to come on?
Thanks, Ed
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You don't. frown.gif Denon got rid of the blue HD light starting with the XX11/X91 models.
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Thank you!
post #2415 of 10467
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The highlighted is correct.

Thanks, I figured as much. I suppose the answer (as usual) is a good universal remote. I think this one might be in my future: http://www.roomieremote.com. Looks like the duck's guts in universal remotes. But that's OT...
-Tom
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Baby, I'm back! I've happily spent the last decade with Denon receivers. The 3802, to the 3805 and the 2311ci. After a divorce last year, I left the theater / game room equipment with the house. I then made the mistake of going with the budget Onkyo HT-RC360. frown.gif

The Denon AVR-3313ci is now speeding its way to my door!
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hi gang, i am in the process of optimizing my 2313 install and have 2 questions:

1. I am using my Harmony 659 to control everything. It works great in every regard EXCEPT controlling the 2313 during internet radio play. The left/right arrow buttons work, but the up/down buttons don't do anything...which makes navigating the menus highly annoying. Any ideas? am i going to have to IR-learn the buttons? and if so, will that only effect one activity (listen to music) or will it effect all of them? When I watch TV, those buttons do things on my Dish Network DVR....so hopefully the buttons can be programmed to be activity specific!

2. I used Audyssey. I put in the Avengers and watched it and the surrounds are WAY to loud and the fronts not nearly loud enough. Gun shots up front often sounded like cap guns...and iron mans assistant Jarvis was inaudible during several scenes that had lots of other things going on. Any ideas? I kinda expected more from Audyssey, but it's prolly some kind of mistake I made. eek.gif
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1. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq/1400_100#post_22300756
2. What are the speaker/sub settings after running Audyssey? Did you use a mic boom stand or camera tripod to hold the Audyssey mic as suggested in the Owner's manual? Have you reviewed the Audyssey FAQ/101 linked in my sig?
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I'll be incorporating my new 3313 into my system this week. I'm going from Audyssey 2eq, to the Denon's Audyssey multiEQ XT. I have 2 HSU VTF-3 subwoofers.

I was reading the Audyssey FAQ. Am I correct that I can calibrate with a sub connected to each sub pre-out? (They often recommend connecting both subs to one output using a "Y" adapter.
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Yes, you can use either configuration.
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Hey guys, I'm having an avr issue that I've posted in various sections. The main issue is that I'm trying to convert my xbox360 component video cable to the hdmi output that is connected to my led. The avr I have now I thought did this, but it does not. I get audio but no video. The 2113 is on my list for the replacement avr but even after downloading the manual, I still cannot tell if I can connect the xbox component video cable into the 2113 video component input and run an hdmi output to my led and get video on the xbox. It appears from the video conversion chart in the manual that I CAN do this, but I might be reading it wrong. Can someone please help with this question?
Thanks
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Any of the "CI" models (to include the 2113CI) will convert analog ---> HDMI.
post #2423 of 10467
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Any of the "CI" models (to include the 2113CI) will convert analog ---> HDMI.

Thank you for the help...I'm a little tech challenged so If you could clarify for me. By analog do you the component cables that the xbox uses? Someone mentioned those are hi def component cables...would your explination still apply if that is the case?
Thanks again...I just don't want to make the same mistake with my next receiver : )
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Component cables are analog cables .. doesn't matter the video resolution they are passing.
post #2425 of 10467
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Component cables are analog cables .. doesn't matter the video resolution they are passing.
Thank you...looks like this avr will work then...finally!
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Jd can you give advice on this issue. It keeps gettiig stuck on this part of the update. denon 3313 ether img. What can I do?
post #2427 of 10467
Press/hold the power on button on the front panel > 5 seconds until the update restarts again. If still no joy, then do the "Network reset" procedure listed in post #5 of this thread.
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Jd it finally finished updating after 6 cycles.
Thanks Ed
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New to the Denon community on AVS, have been following the thread here for a while and jumped on the Denon band wagon. My first Denon purchase has been a disappointment to say the least and I am chiming here to see whether the experienced folks have any suggestion.

I bought a "refurbished" 3313CI from Accessories4Less which arrived after about a week (after 7 pm on a weekday). It was shrink wrapped and looked okay visually before I signed off the FedEX shipping guy. After unwrapping and placing it in the A/V center, I noticed there was a big hole in the power button position. With a flash light I could see the power button sitting inside the face plate near the hole (picture below). My first thought was - the repair man wasn't careful enough to quality check before shipping it out. I call A4L first thing the following morning and they ask me to contact Denon for a replacement. I call Denon support and after initial hesitation by their rep, he asked for information (incl. pictures of the power button and invoice which was sent within half hr of the call). I do not have an answer yet from them (Thursday Morning-Monday), called multiple times only to be told their supervisor has looked at it and will get back. My frustration has been two-fold on this .. obvious lack of quality control and significant delay by Denon in correcting their error.

I am currently testing my new KEF's with this receiver using the remote power button and no way to reset the microprocessor while an advance replacement request is being worked out.

Is this typical of this reputed high-end receiver brand or am I reading too much into situation?

post #2430 of 10467
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Originally Posted by flydeep View Post

New to the Denon community on AVS, have been following the thread here for a while and jumped on the Denon band wagon. My first Denon purchase has been a disappointment to say the least and I am chiming here to see whether the experienced folks have any suggestion.
I bought a "refurbished" 3313CI from Accessories4Less which arrived after about a week (after 7 pm on a weekday). It was shrink wrapped and looked okay visually before I signed off the FedEX shipping guy. After unwrapping and placing it in the A/V center, I noticed there was a big hole in the power button position. With a flash light I could see the power button sitting inside the face plate near the hole. My first thought was - the repair man wasn't careful enough to quality check before shipping it out. I call A4L first thing the following morning and they ask me to contact Denon for a replacement. I call Denon support and after initial hesitation by their rep, he asked for information (incl. pictures of the power button and invoice which was sent within half hr of the call). I do not have an answer yet from them (Thursday Morning-Monday), called multiple times only to be told their supervisor has looked at it and will get back. My frustration has been two-fold on this .. obvious lack of quality control and significant delay by Denon in correcting their error.
I am currently testing my new KEF's with this receiver using the remote power button and no way to reset the microprocessor while an advance replacement request is being worked out.
Is this typical of this reputed high-end receiver brand or am I reading too much into situation?

You putting "refurbished" in quotation marks, I think, answers your question. Was this factory refurbished? If not, I am not surprised. If so, you may have a legitimate beef. I wouldn't expect a factory certified unit to arrive as you described but remember, these are often returns. Who knows what the previous owners did with it. Also, make sure Accessories for Less is an authorized dealer, if not, you are likely screwed.

Pat
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