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post #271 of 10468
Thread Starter 
JD seems to be speaking of it as though it's factual so I assume he heard this from an inside source. I would like to see it in the manual though before I call it "confirmed".
post #272 of 10468
Although Denon is coming out with a new Android REMOTE app soon, if any of you new XX13 model owners has an android phone, can you check whether the current AVR-REMOTE app works with your unit? Thanks.
post #273 of 10468
Hi jdsmoothie. Just installed the AVR-REMOTE app on my desire S and it was able to conect on the AVR generic. I am also able of playing my music stored on the HTC. I have to use the AVR App to control volume, i can not do this from the phone volume buttons as i can on my Iphone via airplay. Funny how i can play with both phones via the apps without having problems. However the AVR-Remote app will not let me select the input. This works fine on my Iphone, But maybe i am doing something wrong.
My model is a 1713
post #274 of 10468
anders - Thanks for your reply. It seems as there are issues with the AVR-REMOTE app then. Please reply back if you are able to get it to work correctly.
post #275 of 10468
Hi guys, got my Denon 1713 set up yesterday (just as a stereo system for now until my qed cable arrives).

But I have a problem, when I connect my iPhone to it via the front USB it shows up fine and can play music etc but when I connect my Toshiba 2.5" 1TB Stor.E Alu S2 HDD it doesn't power on, but in the 1713 manual it says;

Only USB memory devices conforming to mass storage class and MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) standards can be played on this unit.
This unit is compatible with USB memory devices in FAT16 or FAT32 format.

My drive is formatted to FAT32 and does not exceed the limits which are mentioned in the manual;

Memory capacity FAT16 : 2 GB, FAT32 : 2 TB
Number of folder directory levels * 8 levels
Number of folders 500
Number of files ** 5000

* The limited number includes the root folder.
** The allowable number of files may differ according to the USB memory device capacity and the file size.

The drive uses USB 3.0 (which is 2.0 compatable) and it is also a USB powered drive which is why I bought it, so I can switch between PC and AVR quickly.

Am I missing something?
post #276 of 10468
I have what will probably seem like a dumb question to most of you experts, but here it goes.

I am going to buy either the 1713 or 2113CI to replace my dying receiver, and at the same time I'm going to replace my antiquated subwoofer.

My question is this: are either the 1713 or 2113CI capable of outputting via LFE, or do they only output a line level subwoofer signal? Some of the cheaper subs don't have LFE input, but I am not sure I even need to care if the receiver is not capable of outputting it.

Thanks for the help!
post #277 of 10468
Thread Starter 
your question doesn't really make sense, I don't know what "output via LFE" even means.

ALL modern receivers output the subwoofer signal via an RCA variable level pre-out with the intention of being fed to a powered (amplified) external subwoofer, and ALL modern powered subwoofers have RCA inputs intended to receive this signal. So I think your concerns about compatibility are unfounded

The subwoofer output will be combination of the LFE track (the ".1" in 5.1 or 7.1 tracks) and any redirected bass from speakers set to "small", which will feed out the SUB OUT jack into the RCA input on the subwoofer to be amplified.
post #278 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

your question doesn't really make sense, I don't know what "output via LFE" even means.

ALL modern receivers output the subwoofer signal via an RCA output with the intention of being fed to a powered (amplified) external subwoofer, and ALL modern powered subwoofers have RCA inputs. So you are fine

Ah, you are FAST!

Well, my information is probably wrong, but I was reading in amazon.com ratings/comments that for receivers that are capable, a subwoofer with an LFE input is better because using it will bypass the internal crossover in the sub. Then the receiver will set the crossover frequency directly. Presumably the benefit would be better sound.

If you look, cheaper Polk subwoofers like the PSW10 are not LFE-capable, however their more expensive models are.

Thanks for your response!
post #279 of 10468
Thread Starter 
ok, there's some confusion in terms here.

some subs have an additional input labeled "LFE" which does indeed bypass the internal circuitry (crossover/volume), but this does not mean that subs without this input aren't "LFE capable" (like I said above this doesn't really even make sense). Marketing labeling can be confusing when they aren't consistent with their terminology.

Bottom line: ALL subwoofers will work just fine with the sub out RCA signal from a modern receiver even if there is no direct/LFE input jack. All you have to do is follow the subwoofer setup instructions here and you will be fine: http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/how-to
post #280 of 10468
Is anyone having a problem with 1 or more of their HDMI ports not working??

I just received the 1713 about a week ago and It seems my (cable) HDMI port will not transfer video or sound. I hook my cable box up to it and I get nothing. I then hook it up to my DVD port and it works fine.

Does this sound like a faulty port???? I hate to have to send it back since the pioneer 821 I bought before the Denon didnt work out of the box, dont want to go through that again.

What would you guys do? Still have 4 ports to work with on the back??
post #281 of 10468
And just to defend myself, here is what I'm talking about

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/p...ex.php?s=psw10

Check the text on the page:
Multiple Hook Up Options LFE*, line level inputs and speaker level inputs afford easy connection to any system.
*Except PSW10 & PSWi225



So that was what set me down this path of misinformation
post #282 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

ok, there's some confusion in terms here.

some subs have an additional input labeled "LFE" which does indeed bypass the internal circuitry (crossover/volume), but this does not mean that subs without this input aren't "LFE capable" (like I said above this doesn't really even make sense). Marketing labeling can be confusing when they aren't consistent with their terminology.

Bottom line: ALL subwoofers will work just fine with the sub out RCA signal from a modern receiver even if there is no direct/LFE input jack. All you have to do is follow the subwoofer setup instructions here and you will be fine: http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/how-to

Awesome, thank you!!! I will read up and be ready for my new receiver. Thanks again!
post #283 of 10468
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Originally Posted by Rod2486 View Post

Is anyone having a problem with 1 or more of their HDMI ports not working??

I just received the 1713 about a week ago and It seems my (cable) HDMI port will not transfer video or sound. I hook my cable box up to it and I get nothing. I then hook it up to my DVD port and it works fine.

Does this sound like a faulty port???? I hate to have to send it back since the pioneer 821 I bought before the Denon didnt work out of the box, dont want to go through that again.

What would you guys do? Still have 4 ports to work with on the back??

This has been common to Denon AVRs for several years ... some components work better on one HDMI jack vs. another due to the various signal lengths on the HDMI board. Also note that cable/sat boxes often have HDMI handshake issues and must be connected directly to the TV to work correctly so at least yours works connected to the AVR. I would confirm that another HDMI device works when connected to the CBL/SAT and call it a day.
post #284 of 10468
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Originally Posted by mazer75 View Post

And just to defend myself, here is what I'm talking about

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/p...ex.php?s=psw10

Check the text on the page:
Multiple Hook Up Options LFE*, line level inputs and speaker level inputs afford easy connection to any system.
*Except PSW10 & PSWi225



So that was what set me down this path of misinformation

However, if you look at the PSW10 Owner's manual and review the Note under option #1 ....

The PSW10 subwoofer does not have an LFE input. Instead, use either the L or R Line input (another hookup option is to use a Y-split cable and connect both L and R Line inputs). After you make this Sub Out connection, turn the "Low Pass" filter fully clockwise. This will in effect create an LFE input.
post #285 of 10468
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

eyeballing the 3312 vs. 3313 photos and spec sheets, this is what I can see:

* No more AM radio tuner (although the HD tuner supports AM where available)

I think this needs clarification. It sounds very negative.
1) the 3313ci back panel has an "AM LOOP ANT" input.
2) the spec sheet says "AM section Tuning frequency range 530 - 1710 kHz"

To me that means an "AM radio tuner". Are you trying to say it instead has an "HD radio tuner", one of whose operating modes is backward compatible with what we have known for decades to be AM aka "amplitude modulation" radio broadcasting?
post #286 of 10468
^^Denon omitted 'AM' radio and a whole lot of goodies on the 2313, not the 3313 (at least not yet).
post #287 of 10468
Thread Starter 
Initially we thought the 3313 dropped the AM radio tuner like the other models but it appears that was incorrect. I will edit that post when I'm back from vacation and not typing on a phone
post #288 of 10468
On the back of the 2113ci the Zone 2 out plugs are component or RCA? I need to hook up zone 2 with regular speaker wire to banana plugs. How do you do this with component or RCA out?
post #289 of 10468
^^
If you look on the back of the AVR, you'll note the analog inputs are color coded ... the component video (green, red, blue), composite video (yellow), digital coax audio (orange), composite audio (red/white) and Zone 2 pre-outs (red/white). So you would connect a red/white RCA cable from the Zone 2 pre-outs to a 2CH external amp if you have a 7.1 setup in your main zone and want to setup Zone 2 speakers. However, if you only have a 5.1 setup in the main zone, you can connect the Zone 2 speaker wire/banana plugs to the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts which default to Zone 2 out of the box.
post #290 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
However, if you only have a 5.1 setup in the main zone, you can connect the Zone 2 speaker wire/banana plugs to the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts which default to Zone 2 out of the box.

Thank you!!! That's what I was hoping for. Off to purchase 2113ci.
post #291 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
If you look on the back of the AVR, you'll note the analog inputs are color coded ... the component video (green, red, blue), composite video (yellow), digital coax audio (orange), composite audio (red/white) and Zone 2 pre-outs (red/white). So you would connect a red/white RCA cable from the Zone 2 pre-outs to a 2CH external amp if you have a 7.1 setup in your main zone and want to setup Zone 2 speakers. However, if you only have a 5.1 setup in the main zone, you can connect the Zone 2 speaker wire/banana plugs to the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts which default to Zone 2 out of the box.

Jd, I am looking at this same setup and am running 7.1 in the main room. Would I be able to do the 3113 and get the 2 outdoor speaker wires into the other speaker inputs so I can avoid getting a 2ch external amp for the 2 outdoor speakers? Also, how much is a 2 ch external amp and is there one you recommend to run for outside zone 2 speakers?
post #292 of 10468
^^
I'm presuming you mean 2113CI vice 3113CI? And no, if you have a 7.1 setup in the main zone, you must use a 2CH amp connected to the Zone 2 preouts. You can likely pick up one from your local Craigslist for $50 or less or you can buy one new. Please review the Zone 2 section in my FAQ in post #3 below:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...p?p=20422390#M
post #293 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
I'm presuming you mean 2113CI vice 3113CI? And no, if you have a 7.1 setup in the main zone, you must use a 2CH amp connected to the Zone 2 preouts. You can likely pick up one from your local Craigslist for $50 or less or you can buy one new. Please review the Zone 2 section in my FAQ in post #3 below:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...p?p=20422390#M

Thanks Jd!
post #294 of 10468
One of the features of the xx13 AVRs is conversion to 1080p/24Hz. The manual for the 2312ci implies that the receiver will pass a 1080p/24 signal through when the connected display supports 1080p/24. So that means I can watch a bluray at 1080p/24, right?

Why is it important to be able to convert to 1080p/24, then?
post #295 of 10468
yes, you can...

as to why it's "important"... if you are sure you have a film source, and you have a display that will display 24 frames per second in integer multiples (and won't do the reverse pulldown to 24 fps), you can eliminate 3:2 pulldown judder (which most people have been looking at their whole lives, and wouldn't know it's a problem until told there is one)...
post #296 of 10468
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

This has been common to Denon AVRs for several years ... some components work better on one HDMI jack vs. another due to the various signal lengths on the HDMI board. Also note that cable/sat boxes often have HDMI handshake issues and must be connected directly to the TV to work correctly so at least yours works connected to the AVR. I would confirm that another HDMI device works when connected to the CBL/SAT and call it a day.

Agreed, then you write the info down in your manual in case you need to disconnect things. HTPCs needed to be plugged into the HDMI port closest to the HDMI Output port on the 3808CI in order to work at all.
post #297 of 10468
Im looking at either the 2113 or the 2313. Is the 2313 released yet? Either will be a slight downgrade soundwise from my current reciever, but not looking to spend $1,100 again on a receiver. Any recommended places to buy as well?
post #298 of 10468
^^
Both the 2313CI and 3313CI should be available by mid-June, although if you only paid $1100 for your older AVR, you most likely won't be "downgrading" audio quality with either model as they both use Audyssey MultEQ XT. Most often places recommended to purchase are AV Science Store, Electronics Expo, J&R, and World Wide Stereo which are all authorized Denon resellers.
post #299 of 10468
I searched all the troubleshooting posts, and I am still stuck on why my Blu-Ray player won't play through my receiver via HDMI. My HDMI cable/tv connection plays fine and I have checked the Blu-ray player using the other inputs to no avail, and have ruled out the HDMI cable itself. The weird thing is it plays the audio when the tv imput is switched to another empty/vacant source. Also on initial startup of the Blu-ray it shows the Sony and Blu-ray logos, then the screen goes black.
I have two HDMI inputs on my tv, so I'm lucky that I can still connect it directly to the other input of my tv and will have to get an optical cable for connecting audio to my receiver.
Does anybody know of any similar issues and fixes? I'm thinking its a setting within my Blu-Ray player, but I've tried changing just about every setting with no luck.
post #300 of 10468
bostonirish1326,

Exactly what models of player, AVR and TV do you have?

Does the screen go black when there is no disc in the player?

If it happens when trying to play a disc, what titles have you tried?

(Don't forget that U.S. Sonys cannot play 50Hz discs from Europe.)
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